From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Wed Oct 22 22:20:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09953 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:20:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA13334 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:52:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:52:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199710230252.VAA13334@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #423 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 22 1997 Volume 01 : Number 423 In this digest: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Bright Victory? IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing Re: IN> PBEM games Re: IN> PBEM... well, not. Re: IN> IN: The Slayer Project Re: IN> IN: The Slayer Project Re: IN> Johab, Archangel of Salvation Re: IN> Superiors and their coffee IN> B5 Victory Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing Re: IN> Malakim skins Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? Re: IN> In Nomine Clarifications & House Rules Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing Re: IN> B5 Victory Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] General Observation Re: IN> Destiny, Fate, and Words IN> Dark and Bright Victories Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing Re: IN> IN: The Slayer Project Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Requests (fwd) Re: IN> B5 Victory Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? Re: IN> B5 Victory Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:11:44 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Bright Victory? Shadowcat wrote, responding to previous scribblings on the wall [no, not mene mene...again, the list postings] > > Sweet Jesus, it's the rebellion all over again. > > > > I wrote a story a few years back (that I will have to see if I > can't track down), which was about a Christian man, who during Armagedon, > saw many friends, loved onesand good people killed mercilusly killed be > the forces of God, because they refused to accept him, yet some of the > bigged bastard that had walked the world were allowed into heaven, just > because they had said that they accepted the Christ as theyr savior. So > he begins trying to fight of the angels. All this is noticed by God who > takes the man, and forces him to watch the end battle. The man is then > informed that as the former Satan was killed in the "final battle" that HE > is now Satan. The proposition is simple, if the Satan can defeat God, > then he becomes God, and can run the world how ever he likes, but this has > never happened. So the new Satan begins to form his army of other > disanants, is thrown out of heaven, and it starts all over again. > I realy do need to find that manuscript. :-} > When you find it, please either post it or send me a copy, please? [blink my baby blues, maybe that will convince her--*blink**blink*] What you describe reminds me of a story I read once--"Unferno" by George Alec Effinger, in _Smart Dragons, Foolish Elves_ , edited by Alan Dean Foster and Martin Harry Greenberg. Plot in a can: Man gets sent to Hell and finds it completely untenanted, learns to live there and wield the power that is ambient to the place and becomes the next Satan, then finds his damnation was unjust and is given the option to go to Heaven. If will leave out what happens thereafter so as not to spoil the story for you. tom timberlake, role of James, the Stone Malakim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:52:40 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing The world is unclean; it must be cleansed with fire and sword. Only the holy and righteous may walk in God's light. Dominic acted as the Provost Marshall of Heaven in the final battle, forcing retreating Angels back into the fray, refusing to accept defeat even when the heart of the Eternal City was overrun. Stunned into submission, he was the last defender of the City to fall, and with his last awareness he beheld the removal of the Upper Heavens from the spheres of the world. Dominic awoke in a cell in Hades, angry beyond belief and sick to his heart at the last sight in his memory; the glory and purity of God, the reassuring rule of order which he had supported since the Beginning, turning its back on Creation. His guards were more than happy to tell Dominic of the outcome of the Great Battle, telling the truth but not the whole truth... they told of Michael and Laurence's Last Stand, but not of the hundreds of angels and two Princes who had died to pull them down. At length, the demon guards left Dominic alone in his cell to stew, and the Seraph's rage boiled hotter and hotter as he brooded and sulked. (Anybody can tell you that brooding and sulking in Hell is not a good thing for an Angel to do.) Still, he held on to one hope. The Lord would rescue His own. The faithful and holy could not be forsaken so easily, not after so long, hard and miserable a service in His name. But when rescue came, it was not God, but the Adversary, Lucifer sneaking through a Hell he no longer ruled, rescuing those Angels he could swiftly and quietly. Lucifer's repentance was one straw too many for Dominic, and his mind snapped like a camel's back. The first lie came easily to his lips, and another followed, and another, and before Lucifer could escort the handful of rescued Archangels from Hell, Dominic had Fallen from grace, totally mad and filled with unrighteous fury at the Creation which had betrayed his hopes. Dominic went straight from Lucifer to the center of Hell, gibbering wildly in his growing world of delusion, raving to the Demon Princes about his Divine Mission, his intent to slay all the evil, the cruel, the infidel, the unfaithful, etc. etc. etc.... Through him, the Princes learned of Lucifer's defection, and the resulting chaos left Dominic the short time he needed to consolidate his own regrowing power. The Balseraph Dominic has chosen Cleansing as his new Word, dimly aware that he can no longer claim his old. Thanks to the hate groups and fundamentalists on Earth, Cleansing is a *very* powerful Word, and Demons whose Superiors had been slain- chiefly Belial's remaining Servitors, but also demons from Asmodeus, Baal and a couple of Kobal's most evil, twisted demons- have flocked to his side, not out of any loyalty to his mission but to catch the rising wave in Hell. Despite his lingering wounds from Armageddeon, Dominic is now on a par with the other Demon Princes, and in his madness he sees the Granite Throne not as the symbol of ruling Hell, but as the holy sword he needs to complete his quest of eliminating the unclean from the Universe. In corporeal form, Dominic (or Dominique) appears as a gloriously beautiful man or woman, seemingly without flaw within or without. In Celestial form, he wears the same dark cloak as before, not out of humility, but because his Balseraph form is so hideous and twisted as to wreck the mind of the beholder. DISSONANCE Servitors of Dominic must perform at least one act of 'purification'- destroying a Stop & Go that serves those instruments of evil, slaying life equal to five or more Forces (one man, two dogs, etc.), or some equivalent- each time they gain Essence at sunset or through one of Dominic's Rites. If they do not, they gain a point of Dissonance, which goes away when such an act of cleansing is performed. It is also Dissonant to punish any transgression with anything other than death. If someone wrongs you, you must make every effort to kill them or see them killed. Forgiveness and mercy are Dissonant. BAND ATTUNEMENTS BALSERAPH - A Balseraph of Dominic may add his Etherial Forces to any Resonance roll to convince others that any particular act of destruction was justified by the evil nature of the victims. The subjects may resist with a Will roll. DJINN - Djinn of Dominic gain no Dissonance if the object or objects they are attuned to are destroyed. CALABIM - Dominic's Calabim are both his most despised and most loved (by him) servants. (See Invocation for more details on the hate side.) They are attuned to the way Dissonance strains and tears at Celestial forms- and when using their Resonance for destruction on a Celestial, may add the Dissonance to their roll -and- to any resulting damage! HABBALAH - Habbalah of Cleansing may add their Celestial Forces to a Resonance Roll to inspire righteous hate in another being, causing them to strike out against the object of that hate. LILIM - Lilim of Dominic gain +1 Essence if they succeed in Geasing a victim into performing an act of destruction in the name of Cleansing... or +2 if they somehow manage to Geas a victim into self-destruction. SHEDIM - Shedim of Dominic are assigned to lead souls not to corruption, but to destructions. A Shedim may add the level of a target's strongest single Discord to their Resonance roll to possess the victim, and gain no Dissonance if their host dies while they possess them... but they do gain Dissonance if they leave a host undestroyed. IMPUDITE - Impudites of Dominic may charm one person into unreasoning hatred against another person without a Resonance roll; both the victim and the victim's target must be within eyesight, and the victim may resist with a Will roll. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS CLEANSING FIRE - A demon with this attunement may project a sphere of fire from themselves. The fire may cause either Corporeal or Celestial damage- the wielder must choose before the act. The Corporeal fire burns only living things- dead bodies, buildings, etc. are immune. The fire has a radius of (Essence used X Corporeal/Celestial Forces) in feet, and causes 2D damage to each target within the radius except the caster. The fire vanishes at the end of the round if the caster does not sustain it. DISTINCTIONS KNIGHT OF THE PURGE - The demon's gaze and accusation may cause those with the weakest Wills- 2 or lower- to confess to being unclean, unholy creatures, and beg for destruction. CAPTAIN OF CLEANING - As before, except Wills of 3 and 4 also submit! BARON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS - The bearer of this distinction may appear in Corporeal form (or if a Shedim, make their host to appear) as a truly upstanding, noble creature, incapable of error, the perfect ideal of what one of God's creatures should be. RELATIONS HOSTILE: Everyone (simple, isn't it?) CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 3 *NOTE: On a successful invocation of Dominic, roll 1D. Add any Dissonance to your roll. Shedim add 3 to their roll. On a roll of six or greater... you had better RUN. Dominic has no love at all for his minions, less so for those on whom the taint of the world is evident... INVOCATION MODIFIERS -3 If the invoker is a Shedim +1 A vivisected cat +2 A burning book, except the Bible (If you are foolish enough to burn a Bible in the summoning, run for your life) +3 A lynch mob +4 A man who deserved to die +5 A man undeserving of death +6 A city on fire +10 Destroying a major city by nuclear explosion (Note: All known nukes were used or destroyed in Armageddeon, so your boy will *really* have to work at this) --- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> PBEM games > It can be hard in Combat... and while I do still generally have everyone > post to the group as a whole, I usually enforce things like Combat Rounds > and Action Phases and the like to help keep things straight. I make sure > that everyone knows to let me resolve each combat action before posting > their replies... Which tends to slow things down quite a bit, though... Yes, Combat is a challenge. I generally get a tactical approach from the players and run a few rounds at a time. Even still, combat can drag on forever. The trick is to find a balance between having the combat not drag to the point where everybody gets bored and the players being able to speak for what their characters are doing enough that they are actually the ones playing the combat. - -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:16:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> PBEM... well, not. > >Sometimes keeping notes is the only hope I have. (This is true for games > >I play in as well, actually.) > > I keep some key notes... But they tend to be on major plot elements, not > on the nitpicking details that are the bane of my PBEM existence... Hmm, yeah, this happens to me to, I guess. I do tend to keep summaries of the game, though. This is as much for me as for keep the players clued in. I then post the summaires on the web and tell the players where they are, hoping that people will look at them and remember that there is an overarching story around all of this. > Yeah, I know... Sometimes I can actually use that to my advantage > though... Without the more active posters to drown them out, sometimes I > can draw out the more reserved players and help build up their confidence > to where they'll post more often... Not as often as I'd like, though. True; I think that the quiet people in my games, though, aren't quite out of lack of confidence so much as out of either lack of enough interest, or lack of enough time. (In fact, I finally just got one guy to admit that he didn't have time to keep up with the game; I'm hoping to replace him with another guy I know who is a good roleplayer and who keeps up well with all the games he's in.) - -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:22:44 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> IN: The Slayer Project >> Coming Next: Sunnydale, the setting > >Looks nice, but could you include a [FLUFF] in your Subject, so I can >tell it's fluff, and not something I need my analytic game mode on >for? > FLUFF? Nah.... It'd make a perfect campaign setting. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:24:16 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> IN: The Slayer Project >The setting: > >Sunnydale is your average California suburban town. Put it about 90 minutes >north of New Sodom (er, excuse me, I mean Los Angeles :-). > Hey, I just got around to reading these. Cool. I wonder what role Cordelia has.... Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:43:29 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Johab, Archangel of Salvation Of course, he's opposed by the Demon of Salivation working under Habbala named Bahoj. Note, not a Demon Prince; Kobal had hard enough time getting him the Word. All is not lost though since even though Johab lacks a significant number of angels, he has a large number of Soldiers, in fact a veritable army. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:32:34 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and their coffee > Didja know that coffee was officially blessed by one of >the Popes? 'S truth! People were getting so fanatical about it, >that he investigated to see whether it should be banned. After one >cup, he was hooked... Heh. Score one for Addiction. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:06:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: IN> B5 Victory Just to throw another idea in the pot: What if the *humans* win Armageddon? 'Gards, Martin Leuschen martinl@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:08:24 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing Forgot to list Basic Rites for Dommie. BASIC RITES * Spend a day (24 hours) in ritual meditation in private, or 8 hours in public * Spend an hour preaching prejudice and hate to a crowd * Slay a Celestial (+3 Essence, is exempt from the Dissonance requirement) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:59:59 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Malakim skins > The Malakim stepped into the room, cold and aloof in his Armani > suit, sunglasses concealing his gaze. > > "Hey, Malakim," the Mercurian grinned, "what kind of animal did you > get that pelt from?" > > The Malakim looked over his sunglasses and smiled a feral smile. > "Yakusa," he said. > > The Mercurian stopped smiling. > > --Redneck (just a thought) You are just so fucking cool, you know that? Jeeze... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:59:59 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? > > a quick thought - in the Dark Victory universe, would God let Uriel > > return? Assuming Uriel still exists in the upper reaches of Heaven, > > now would be a good time to let him return - if only to help rescue > > the Malakim from the labs. > > quicker thought what if he wasn't let out but broke out instead > it's not as if nobody has ever defied God before An interesting point, though I get the feeling he would end up doing his best impression of a cat in a chipper-shredder. With the weakened state of most of the IN Celestials, though, he might have a chance. Redneck, it might work - it definately would be a way for Heaven to be freed from demon control, at least. And then I have a feeling he'd cut a swath straight to Vapula's door - after all, David is his creation (at least, I assume so - he's old enough that no other Superior would have had time) and the other Malakim are nominally his, as well. He would probably die trying (in fact, for the sake of plot, that might be the best thing) but he might give New Heaven a chance. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:59:59 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Clarifications & House Rules Sorry for picking so hard - I hadn't realized this was for a specific game... > >> 1. You may be assigned by your Superior to serve another superior. > >> Should that superior be of sufficient stature to impose dissonance > >> (Archangels and Demon Princes, certainly), you will be subject to > >> dissonance from both your AA or DP and your immediate superior, as > >> well as your Chorus or Band. You will, of course, be able to > >> invoke that immediate superior. > >> (Clarification.) > > > >That doesn't mesh with the canon for Eli. > > Right, Eli is an exception in that his servitors don't follow the > general rule. I should have said that. I'd say it shouldn't be automatic - if the superior wants to to impose those conditions, then he/she will, but not until - there may be plenty of reasons not to. Though I would suggest that if the dissonance conditions aren't there, they should get a -5 to invoke the Superior. > >Sorry to pick so much, but I don't know how much power you have, > >exactly, and I figured I'd better say it... > > That's just the kind of input I wanted. Thank you! Not a problem... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:08:24 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:08:24 -0500 (CDT), redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) wrote: >Forgot to list Basic Rites for Dommie. > >BASIC RITES > > * Spend a day (24 hours) in ritual meditation in private, or 8 hours in public > * Spend an hour preaching prejudice and hate to a crowd > * Slay a Celestial (+3 Essence, is exempt from the Dissonance requirement) On the last, vessel death or soul death? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:04:31 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> B5 Victory Okay, now someone's being just silly... }:-{D >Just to throw another idea in the pot: > >What if the *humans* win Armageddon? > Get the humans into Heaven, Hell and the Marches organized with those on Earth, and then we'll sort it out. And how will the humans win? Weight of numbers? The Children of the Grigori? Perhaps Eli's been making weapons for them in the meantime? Play this idea out some more, I want to see where you go with it. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:15:41 -0400 From: Perry Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] General Observation Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > >At 1:57 PM -0500 10/22/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >>>At 1:03 AM -0500 10/22/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > > >>>(Well, he's alive... Where there's life, there's hope... Hm. Hmmmm... > >>>Somebody will be needing the Word of Hope eventually.) > >>> > >>Hope is currently under Lucifer's word, since Gabriel is unable to defend > >>it. However, an Angel given this Word now could skyrocket into Superior > >>status... }:-{D > >> > >>(Alternately, if Gabriel regains some of her sanity.... I haven't decided on > >>what to do with Hope yet, except that Lucifer's Light, like Gabriel's Fire, > >>supports it...) > > > >I think Destiny might also support it. > > > > I can see the Archangels' Council convening to appoint Words > >to bolster their ranks, especially the *big* words -- Hope, Courage, > >Dedication, and those left vacent by the deaths of the holders -- in > >the hopes that they could get some more Superiors... > > > I hope you'll understand if I work through the Elder Superiors before making > up younger Archangels. There is already an angel with the word of hope, it's one of Blandine's , the menunim) who cast her vote whem the AA's met, because she didn't give a damn about [politics. Hrm....A Dp or wordbound of Despair? with the current conditions it would be a REALLY strong word, and with despari comes suicide and with suicide comes dead people and with dead people comes more people in hell and people in hell=happy fun time! (for saminga that is....) Perry, Haballah of Kobal, Knight of Derision, and Demon of Hidden Meanings ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:59:59 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Destiny, Fate, and Words > > Any clues into the character of Lilith? Okay, she is freedom. > > Sometimes things humans like are under Infernal words. Sometimes > things humans don't like are Divine. The Internet, after all, is a > Medium, and under Nybbas' guidance, while the gangs that plague > city streets are, at least nominally, David's. A good point that I've been meaning to address for a while - Heaven and Hell aren't primarily about redemption and damnation. They are mostly about the War. And Words are a source of power for that war. Most heavenly Words are ones that promote human happiness, but several (Michael, David, Gabriel, and Jordi) have actively bad parts to them, and several more (Marc, Janus, Dominic, and Jean) have parts that aren't very nice, either. Heaven's words are probably closest in nature to the way the Seelie Sidhe work - they use mostly happiness and pleasure to get what they need from humans. Hell, by contrast, prefers the methods the Unseelie use. Does Heaven and Hell care about Destiny and Fate? Somewhat - Yves and Kronos do, for sure. The others do only so much as it supports their power base - Saminga *should*, as should most of Hell. But they don't seem to, which leads me to the conclusion that it *isn't* that big a source of power. So the numbers that reach their Fate aren't that great. I doubt more reach their Destiny... Comments on this deranged rambling? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:30:57 +0000 From: "A superhero named tony" Subject: IN> Dark and Bright Victories With all this talk about Dark and Light Victories, I would urge all of you to rush out - right now - and read R. Heinlein's Job: A Comedy of Justice. When you get to the ending, you'll see how this all relates. Dark Victory: I want the Kobal writeup. Pretty, pretty, please. I can just picture his undevoured forces, sitting in Hag's stomach, waiting for a chance to break free. And I also really want to see what Hermes..er I mean Valefor..er I mean Janus.. is up to. Getting some of the pagans together? Who knows? Just interested to see your(Mr. Redneck Gaijin's) take on it. Later, Charlie V. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:10:26 +1000 From: Anthony Baxter Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing >>> Redneck Gaijin wrote > The world is unclean; it must be cleansed with fire and sword. Only > the holy and righteous may walk in God's light. Am I the only one who thought DV Dominic reminded them of Judge Death, from the old 2000AD comics? Death was a semi-regular villian for Judge Dredd and Judge Anderson. He's also totally and utterly bugfuck - "life is a crime, the sentence is Death!" Just a pre-coffee thought... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:43:18 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> IN: The Slayer Project > >> Coming Next: Sunnydale, the setting > > > >Looks nice, but could you include a [FLUFF] in your Subject, so I can > >tell it's fluff, and not something I need my analytic game mode on > >for? > > FLUFF? Nah.... It'd make a perfect campaign setting. Well, that bit on it's own wouldn't, and it left me more than a bit confused about the intent of the message...if it had been prefaced with a "here is one of the vinegettes for a campaign setting I've been toying with", I would have been much happier with it. Not that it wasn't good, just that it was a little frustrating. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:09:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Austin G. Loomis" Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Requests (fwd) Well, Redneck doesn't seem to have Cc:ed his comments on this to the list (perfectly fair, since I forgot to make the posting to the list and the backup mailing to him the same thing), or at least he didn't send those comments to the list in time for them to get into digest vol.1 #422, so that duty appears to fall to me, on the assumption that this info will be of general interest to the list. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:03:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Redneck Gaijin To: "Austin G. Loomis" Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Requests (fwd) >1) We've gotten the (neo-)Archangel writeups on Andre and Lucifer, and > we've been specifically promised revised writeups for Lilith and Domi- > nic. But what about Nybbas? What does it mean to be a Seraph, or > a Mercurian, of Communication? Right, Nybbas gets a writeup soon. It should be noted that Nybbas' Word is still 'the Media.' Communication is partly delusion, partly a power ploy, and only his through polite silence on the part of the other Archangels. >2) This is the *real* biggie. Once again, I'd like him to turn his gaze, > as he did in _Dark Music_, on characters created by Derek Pearcy. > Specifically, Marcus and the people he knows. Did our anti-favorite > Impudite manage to Redeem, or is he still working for the Prince who > claimed the Granite Throne? What about Charlie? Is Nicole still > working for Gabriel? Did Sabrina follow Andre in defecting? Was > Tariel killed at Megiddo, or did he outlive his Archangel? If the > latter, has he found a new Archangel to serve? Has he finally Fallen > and become a Djinn, and if so, of whom? Did Adam ever claw his way > back to Earth? > Geez, you don't ask for small stuff, do ya? Unless Derek decides he'd rather chip in, this is what the characters from 'A Bright/Dark Dream' are doing in DV, in no particular order. Marcus - Surviving, having gotten slapped down a time or two before Armageddeon, so he's never gotten his Word of Cruelty to Animals. He's still serving Saminga; we saw him last herding monkeys into an onrushing Amazon forest fire. He's having the time of his life, using every different way he's ever learned to torture critters to death, in bulk, and there aren't any angels around to stop him. (Yet... after all, Jordi is still out there...) Nichole - Still stationed in Austin; works as one of the special Guard surrounding the city, protecting the lone Angelic Tether from attackers. She takes advantage of her situation to talk to Gabriel whenever she can. She's gotten to see her Superior at least twice; the first time, Gabriel shrieked and ranted about Nichole betraying her trust, running off to Novalis; the second time, Gabriel welcomed her as a true and faithful servant, her work required now more than ever, only Servitors like her able to understand Gabriel's feelings. Nichole's worries are divided equally between the coming Demonic attack (she knows, in her heart, it must come) and Gabriel's fading grip on reality. Charlie - Took down a number of Malakim and Cherubim before finally getting Celestially destroyed in Armageddeon. Being one of Saminga's experienced Corporeal-realm bruisers, he was on the front lines. Oh well. Tariel - Not Fallen, but a captive in Hell. Kronos currently holds him, unwilling to turn him over to Saminga or Vapula, letting solitary confinement work its way with the Cherub, cut off from everything, lost and alone... Sabrina - Uninterested in human prey, she's jumped ship from Andrealphus' jumping ship, going back to Haagenti so she can continue to work her wiles on other Celestials. Lately she's been toying around with a Calabite of Malphas... though in this case, it's a fair question who is toying with who. And Lilith still has those Geases on her... Adam - Screwed up once too many times. He ended up a midnight snack for Haagenti long before the Apocalypse. (Hmmm. Balseraph. Burp. Too bad you're hungry again an hour later.) Redneck (if Derek is watching and cares to add to this, he's welcome to) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:43:18 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> B5 Victory > Just to throw another idea in the pot: > > What if the *humans* win Armageddon? Knee-jerk reaction: How? Not-so KJR: Why do you think Armageddon hasn't happened yet? Why do you think both sides hide their presence so much? Because if all humanity knew, then a *lot* of them would start learning how to gain power. And there are a lot more humans than Celestials. This is mostly from my backwards vision of In Nomine, which casts God as a mucking big Ethereal who may or may not be eating every soul in the upper Heavens. But it will work in almost any scenario where God is not omnipotent... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:57:07 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? >Redneck, it might work - it definately would be a way for Heaven to >be freed from demon control, at least. And then I have a feeling >he'd cut a swath straight to Vapula's door - after all, David is his >creation (at least, I assume so - he's old enough that no other >Superior would have had time) and the other Malakim are nominally >his, as well. He would probably die trying (in fact, for the sake of >plot, that might be the best thing) but he might give New Heaven a >chance. > Is this the same Uriel who looked at dragons and said, "I don't think they belong. They'll have to go."? Remember, Uriel was the hardest hard-liner of the old guard. He was the original commander of Heaven's armies opposing the Rebels. Somehow I don't think he's willing to forgive even a Redeemed Lucifer, much -less- accept three Demon Princes(s) who haven't Redeemed. And the Angels who welcomed this evil into Heaven? Nope, sorry, they don't belong. They'll have to go. Redneck (from what I gather, Uriel really isn't learning much aside from shorthand in the Upper Heavens) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:45:24 +1000 From: Anthony Baxter Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? >>> "Nathaniel Eliot" wrote > Redneck, it might work - it definately would be a way for Heaven to > be freed from demon control, at least. And then I have a feeling > he'd cut a swath straight to Vapula's door - after all, David is his > creation (at least, I assume so - he's old enough that no other > Superior would have had time) and the other Malakim are nominally > his, as well. He would probably die trying (in fact, for the sake of > plot, that might be the best thing) but he might give New Heaven a > chance. This is sort of what I was thinking. Yes, Uriel would be totally unimpressed with the demons siding with New Heaven, but I don't see that he's going to be a totally unreasoning must-kill-them-all-right-now munchkin. I'd also hope that his recall would have taught him a bit of moderation. Besides, he can come back and get the demons that are on the side of the Preservers later :) there's more important things to go after right now. I was just trying to think of who would be powerful enough to go anywhere near Saminga/Dominic, and Uriel was about the only name that came to mind (aside from a reincarnated Michael, but that seems a copout). As to his choice of targets - I guess it depends on how you'd write him up. Uriel is one of the Superiors I never really got a good handle on. Some of the stuff about him makes him seem like a more powerful and more inflexible canon Dominic, but my own feelings about his character have him as a bit gentler. The rampage against the creatures of myth was more an error of judgement than a total psycho-munchkin killing frenzy. Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:57:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> B5 Victory > Okay, now someone's being just silly... }:-{D I don;t think so. Humans in the IN universe hold a lot more power than they're usually given credit for. > >What if the *humans* win Armageddon? > And how will the humans win? Weight of numbers? The Children of the Grigori? > Perhaps Eli's been making weapons for them in the meantime? Actually, this concept should play a significant part in the Etherial Victory Dotti and I are working the kinks out of. > Redneck Oops da Ogre, who doesn't watch B5, so I don't get the reference mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:04:53 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing >On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:08:24 -0500 (CDT), redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck >Gaijin) wrote: > >>Forgot to list Basic Rites for Dommie. >> >>BASIC RITES >> >> * Spend a day (24 hours) in ritual meditation in private, or 8 hours in public >> * Spend an hour preaching prejudice and hate to a crowd >> * Slay a Celestial (+3 Essence, is exempt from the Dissonance requirement) > >On the last, vessel death or soul death? > Ooh, good distinction. +1 Essence for vessel death, +3 for soul death. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #423 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.