From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Sun Oct 26 00:42:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28594 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:42:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA03056 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:26:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:26:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199710260526.AAA03056@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #435 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, October 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 435 In this digest: Re: IN> Breaking Hearts and Minds Re: IN> [FLUFF] 13 Seraphs and the Truth IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? Re: IN> Hebrew in IN and fluff. IN> Flushing out Celestials IN> Dodging Seraph Resonance Re: IN> Repost: Zeiteng, Duke of Trends Re: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? IN> Zeredah, Angel of Revolutions Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] IN> Mammon IN> Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials Re: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? Re: IN> [FLUFF] 13 Seraphs and the Truth IN> [DV] Well... what next? Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Re: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 2 10/24/97 Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials Re: IN> IN: Dice questions. IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:32:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Breaking Hearts and Minds > > Hm. I wonder if angels can shatter their Hearts like demons... > Unless there is some inherent flaw in a Demonic Heart that Angelic > Hearts lack, it stands to reason. Which, actually, would make sense...Demon Hearts may have `fault lines' already running through them, while Angelic Hearts would be pure. What I want to know is, is there any possible way to break someone ELSE's heart? (On this thread, I seem to recall someone suggesting that a Malakim showing up in the big Heart warehouse could break their own and probably quite a few others before being taken down, but...COULD they break anyone else's?) As I understand the canon, the answer is an absolute `not', but I don't quite like that...Actually, my general feeling is, if you get hold of someone's Heart, it should be possible not only to find them, but to Soul-Kill 'em. {Not EASY, but possible. I think Hearts should be more than constantly active Songs of Attraction...} ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:34:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] 13 Seraphs and the Truth > Thirteen Seraphs, one of each major Archangel, were asked to analyze a > simple statement. The statement was true for all basic tests. Here are their > responses: Heh...cute. I think I liked Jordi best...and, couldn't resist; Fourteen Balseraphs were accidentally asked if the same question was true, and gave the following responses; Lust: "Why, of COURSE it is. Everything they say about me is true, sugar...why don't we just stop by my apartment after work, and I'll prove it? Don't worry about the little woman, cutie, I'm sure she'll keep dinner warm for you." the Game: "I'm afraid not, but, just out of curiosity, where'd you hear that question? I can promise you protection if you just reveal your source." the War: [Regrettably, our correspondant who spoke with the Balseraph of War has not yet recovered from Trauma to reveal her reaction.] Nightmares: "No, no, that isn't true at all...any more than it's true that those noises you heard last night were only the house settling." Fire: "Who cares? `Is it true' is a dumb question..what matters is, is it FLAMMABLE?" Gluttony: "*Burp*" Dark Humor: "Heh...I hadn't heard that one before. You heard the one about the priest, the choir boy, and the yak? That one's true, too." Fate: "You won't need to worry about such irrelevancies when you finally come over to our side...and you will. Believe me, you will." Factions: "No, my friend, I'm afraid...well, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but, yes, they lied to you. Lied and deceived you, and sent you on this fool's errand for who knows what purpose..you can't think of any reason they'd want you out of the house for a few hours, can you?" the Media: "Is it true? Is it TRUE? Babe, don't even TALK to me about true. We're talking about the six o'clock NEWS here. It's enterTAINment. We've got two explosions and a flood tonight, and you want to talk truth? I tell ya, you keep that up, you're going nowhere in this town." Death: "No, but it is but a small lie compared to the great lie of life." Theft: "Interesting question, that, and of course I know the answer. As it happens, no, it's...hey! I think that kid just filched your wallet!" Technology: "Perhaps, perhaps not. I have an experiment that will tell us once and for all, if that is true or not. Here, let me strap you in." Freedom: "Let's look a little deeper...why are you so concerned with it? What, after all, is truth, but a cage? Every so-called `truth' is just a wall thrown up against all the other possibilities you could have had, and this obsession with seeking `truth' is a trap society has built into your psyche. Join with me and fight the oppression of `truth'!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BCBermuda2@aol.com Subject: IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence I have a question regarding Laurence's Servitor Attunement: The Blade Blessing of Laurence. It says that the blade touched has +5 Power. Now It says that this bonus is not cumulative. Does that mean it is not cumulative with another use of the Attunement or with the current Power of the weapon or both? I can understand it not being cumulative with another use of the Attunement, but what about the current Power a weapon has? If a PC has a sword (+4 Power) and he uses the Attunement, does the weapon become +9 Power, or does it just have a +5 power totally. If it just is a +5 Power total, I don't see that this Attunement is so great. The Attunement costs 3 Essence to use to begin with and then has a very short duration (Celestial Forces in combat rounds). All this for just a +5 power total? I hope not considering it costs just 1 point to purchase a sword(a corporeal artifact) that already has a Power of +4 and it would cost 10 points to purchase the Blade Blessing Attunement that would only give a +1 more Power. It seems more logical that the Blessing would Add +5 to the current Power of the blade (Considering the Essence cost required and the limited duration) rather than just giving it a blanket Power of +5. Also, a fine sword (with +4 Power) should benefit more from the Blessing than a dagger (that has no Power). I mean, if the Blessing just gave a blanket Power of +5 I don't think many PCs would spend 10 points to get it. It would be smarter (and cheaper) to just spend the 1 point for the sword and leave it at that. you'd only be giving away 1 more point of power and 1 extra point of power for 10 character points is not a good trade. SO...what is the correct way of interpreting the Attunement? I want to hear what youi think before I make my decision. Thank You , A Fan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:26:07 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? >>>I've been to Beth's (wonderful) INC page and a double-handful of others as well, and hadn't seen a Demon Prince that governs things like mothers lacking common sense and drying off their kids in a microwave...people signaling right and turning left and causing a major pileup...in short, horrific things happening from pure stupidity or carelessness.<<< There may well be a demon responsible for those things (though I think the first example probably falls under the jurisdiction of the Demon of Urban Legends), but there's no need to make him a Prince. Just make the Demon of Stupid Carelessness a Word-bound Servitor of Kobal. (An argument could be made for other Princes, but for what you're describing, Dark Humor seems most appropriate.) Your PC could serve the Demon of Stupid Carelessness and be effectively a Servitor of Dark Humor, with the addition of whatever Stupid Carelessness Rites, dissonance restrictions, and Servitor attunements you want to allow. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:17:20 +0000 From: "A. Nachmias" Subject: Re: IN> Hebrew in IN and fluff. Andre Ribeiro wrote: > > > > On the summoning of demons (A play in 3 acts) > > > Cool - nice piece of fiction!! And I'm dying to see the rest... > > I think it's cool too only I would avoid mention the word "dying" or > > "death" in an In-Nomine list. Some might know where I'm going to > > after that. > You, A. "Let someone else die" Nachmias?? There are some nice'n'hot > seats waiting for you just below... ):-) Good seats I hope. Watching the grand show isn't something to be taken likely. And, Nachmias is pronounced in hebrew, Nahmias, where the H is that one letter not pronounced in English. Most of the choirs are from hebrew, so we and my group can relate easily. Malakim are in translation to hebrew Angels. Ofanim, are actually bicycles or wheels. Cherubim are cabbages. Seraphim, well, are seraphim, but it was originally created in hebrew. Calabim are dogs. Habbalah is sabotage. Umm, that's as far as I remember (don't have the book in front of me) Best Regards, A. Nachimas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:15:54 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Flushing out Celestials Dear List one of the PC's in my FTF campaign has a line of angelic script tattooed on his vessel's chest, along the line of his left collar bone, which colloquially translated would read "Kiss my Arse!" He wears loose open necked shirts and pays close attention to anyone who does a double take if they see his tattoo. Anyone else had a player try a similar dodge. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:15:52 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Dodging Seraph Resonance Dear List Seraphs can detect untruth in statements made to them and sometimes, at high CDs, gain positive information not provided by a person in conversation with them. Can this be fritzed by not responding to the Seraph's questions? Seems to me that it should work, but raises the question of what is a non-response. Would it be reasonable to give the Seraph a roll with some negative modifier for an actively, but not verbally, responding subject? eg. Sam the Seraph - "Did you kill her?" Silent Punk flips Sam the Bird. How about to read the body language of a passively responding subject? eg. Sam the Seraph "Did you kill her?" Scared Punk squirms in his seat and looks away. How about for a response not related to the question? eg. Sam the Seraph - "Did you kill her?" Mouthy Punk - "Sod off Halo Head." or Surrealist Punk - "Fish." A nonrelated response like "I do not wish to answer that." is true on one level, maybe the person really doesn't want to answer, but is obviously not an answer to the question. So it is an untruth as relates to the question asked and should therefore give the Seraph an otherwise unmodified Resonance roll? Comments and thoughts please. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 07:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Repost: Zeiteng, Duke of Trends On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Casca wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Pee Kitty wrote: > > > Zeiteng, Baron of Media, Demon of Trends > > Interesting....though why didn't you name him Zeitgeist? It's obscure, > descriptive of his word, and indicative of a Shedite all at once... I did, actually...originally. Then I decided it wasn't really obscure enough and mutated it. I don't know if I was wrong...after all, you recognized it. I know the word. It stood to reason that a lot of other people did as well...I just felt kinda cheesy using an EXACT synonym for "fad" as his name. So right now it looks kind of like a derivative of it, but not in an easily classifiable way. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 07:17:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Austin G. Loomis" Subject: Re: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? The closest thing to what Pee Kitty's looking for is Vagarog, the Demon Prince of Recklessness. Pee, I suggest taking another look at the INC character pages, under Demon Princes. HTH. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:55:35 EDT From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: IN> Zeredah, Angel of Revolutions Hi all, this is my first post to the list, but with luck there will be no technical problems. Anyway, this is likely to be the first in an irregular series of NPCs. Zeredah is a hefty little bugger, but I promise there will be more balanced NPCs as well, and maybe even one or two that are even more wildly powerful. :) Anyway, enjoy. - ----- Zeredah, Angel of Revolutions Ofanite Master of Valor, Servitor of War "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe Stats: Zeredah is a very powerful servitor of Michael. The stats below are as I would run him; you should scale him up or down depending on your own campaign. He is suitable for use as a patron angel, or major (campaign-long) opponent. If you use him as a patron, the PC should get Z's rites and dissonance instead of Michael's, but should have Michael's attunements with an option to buy Z's special attument. Corporeal Forces -- 6 Strength 12 Agility 12 Ethereal Forces -- 5 Intelligence 12 Precision 8 Celestial Forces -- 6 Perception 12 Will 12 Vessel: Human/6 x3, +3 Charisma Attunements: All attunements of War, Revolution attunement Distinctions: Vassal of War, Friend of Fighters, Master of Valor Songs: Many Skills: Also many Special Attunement: If a human, without coercion and of his own free will, speaks out against an injustice, for 2 Essence the angel can cause all the listeners to realize the truth of that human's words. For an additional 10 (!) Essence, the words can be in any medium. Soldiers of God don't count as uncoerced; the speaker has to fully be a part of the Symphony. Furthermore, the listeners' responses to their realization of the truth are also unconstrained: anything from rationalizing away the truth to shaking their heads in disgust to rising up in rebellion. Special Dissonance condition: Michael, the Archangel of War, fully understands the value of the tactical withdrawals for a revolutionary force. So retreat from combat is *not* dissonant to Zeredah. However, tolerating institutional oppression of any sort is dissonant to Zeredah. His response doesn't have to be violent, but he cannot sit back quietly and ignore repression. Sample Rites: o Convince someone of of an unorthorthodx political viewpoint: +1 (Converting someone to the Republican or Democratic parties wouldn't count, but convincing someone of libertarian or Marxist views would.) o Offer significant support to a human organizing a political party: +1 o Get an unjust government official fired: +1 or higher (+15 for a peaceful national revolution!) History and roleplaying notes: When Lucifer first began spreading his heresies, one of his most eager listeners was an ardent young Ofanite named Zeredah. Zeredah was as intellectually adventurous as the rest of his Choir was physically, and the thought of remaking Creation into a new and better thing drew him into his Fall. However, Zeredah renounced Hell and Redeemed precisely as soon as he saw exactly what the Devil's new order would be like, and he made his way to Michael, to demand a chance to make up for his errors. Michael saw his new servitor perhaps more clearly than Zeredah saw himself, and accepted him into his service, granting him the word of Revolutions to boot. He was given the job of teaching mankind to rebel against old, corrupt ways and replacing them with new and better forms. Zeredah's dealings with man have caused him to become extremely interested in human political philosophy, everything from feudal customary law to divine right of kings to social contract theory to the Marxist theory of surplus value. What's more, in true Ofanite style he has come to *believe* in all of these theories all at once. Talking with Zeredah should be a brain expanding experience, especially when he starts talking about how human political science can be applied to improve the administration of Heaven, and how modern statistical methods can be applied to figure out the will of God... As can be inferred from the previous paragraph, Zeredah likes humans a lot, even if he doesn't always understand them. He thinks very highly of them, and will tell anyone who listen about the neat ideas they come up with. As a result, his MO for encouraging the word of Revolutions is to simply keep demons away from promising political theorists or revolutionaries, and to let the Symphony take its course. This approach is not especially kosher in the activist administration of Laurence, but Michael has noticed its success, and has successfully convinced Laurence not to mess up a good thing. Sadly, Michael has not been able to talk the archangel of the Sword into diverting any *additional* resources to Zeredah, and Hell is often able to warp many revolutions to create brutal despotisms or violent anarchies. As adept as Zeredah is at mortal politics, he is neither interested in nor capable at Celestial politics. An angel tasked with tearing down orders and structures is not something a David or Laurence could really understand, and the ones who do understand the need for change and flexibility -- like Blandine and Marc -- don't understand the violence with which Zeredah pursues his mission. Janus, and Gabriel when she's lucid, are understanding of Zeredah's zeal to bring down oppressive orders, but obviously, neither one makes for a terribly reliable ally. But as Zeredah spends very little time in Heaven, he is basically indifferent to the opinion of any Superior but his own. He does, however, possess a dangerous knack for earning the enmity of Demon Princes. He has earned the particular attention of Malphas and Lilith, both of whose schemes he has thwarted time and again. Malphas has seen Zeredah lead too many of his most promising prospects into the mires of idealism to tolerate it any longer. He has promised the word of Terrorism to the demon who soul-kills Zeredah, and has also promised to dissipate the Forces of the demon who does it in such a way that Michael can trace it back to Factions. (Hey, would you want to anger a being that can beat up *Lucifer* without breaking a sweat?) Lilith, however, represents the greater danger. She *likes* Zeredah...or at least, what he could become. The angelic word of Revolution represents the oppressed rising up against an unjust order, and Lilith thinks it is a fine word, except for that chop-logic distinction between just and unjust order. And Zeredah has Fallen once before, hasn't he? So the Demon Princess of Freedom has it let it be known that anyone who Trips Zeredah will be owed a favor by Lilith herself.... - ----- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:03:48 -0500 From: Jaeden Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] With all the things happening in the In Nomine world, what about vengeance? With the change in alliances and Saminga going force hungry, I bet someone just might be a little mad. Is there a AA or word-bound in the In Nomine books, or do I have to create them? With Uriel it might be something like this : Impure*slash*, Impure*slash Impure impure impure *slash*slash*slash* *insane cackle* Jaeden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:45:40 -0500 From: dkrous2 Subject: IN> Mammon Heaven and Hell does not list that the Prince of Greed has enemies. Do he? Who? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmodeus Subject: IN> Hey all, I just rented a movie by Ivan Reichman called, "Commandments". I thought it was really good and would be of interest to this list. Especially the "play it backwards" crowd. Idea is this; Man goes through numerous senseless tragedies and demands to know 'why' from God. He starts breaking the 10 commandments 1 by 1 until he gets an answer. Like I said, I thought it was good, and it's actually a comedy - - so if you're up for something IN-ny, and don't want The Prophecy, grab this one, I recommend it. Any movie where a guy stands on a building screaming "Why me God, I want an answer" and gets hit by lightning has got to be funny :):):). Dan Ozdowski - -- The Devil's Cabana Boy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:19:10 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials >Dear List > >one of the PC's in my FTF campaign has a line of angelic script tattooed on >his vessel's chest, along the line of his left collar bone, which >colloquially translated would read "Kiss my Arse!" > >He wears loose open necked shirts and pays close attention to anyone who >does a double take if they see his tattoo. Anyone else had a player try a >similar dodge. Not yet... ... but if that had been my game, I'd have had every Celestial react with 'A twit, yawn' while every human who noticed the tatoo would double-take trying to read it, or at least identify the alphabet. Redneck ("Not a demon? Yer lyin'!" WHAM *disturbance* "Um, Bobo, I think it's a human." "Nah! 'E's just burnin' Essence ta make it -look- like he's a human!" *WHAM* *croak* *FHUGE disturbance* "Well, whaddaya know, he was a human.") Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Austin G. Loomis wrote: > The closest thing to what Pee Kitty's looking for is Vagarog, the Demon > Prince of Recklessness. Pee, I suggest taking another look at the INC > character pages, under Demon Princes. HTH. Oh, I printed out Vagarog...GREAT prince, IMO. I just didn't think he really covered it. I was thinking of *carelessness* more than recklessness. Not someone living dangerously, but someone lacking common sense. I think I agree with an earlier comment that it probably wouldn't be a Prince, but a Word-bound Servitor...now I have to figure out if he'd serve Kobal, Saminga, or Vagarog...:) Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] 13 Seraphs and the Truth > Dark Humor: "Heh...I hadn't heard that one before. You heard the one > about the priest, the choir boy, and the yak? That one's true, too." I am suddendly motivated to sit down and make the Demon of Urban Legends, Balseraph of Dark Humor. "No, I haven't heard that. But did you hear the one about the guy who got both of his kidneys stolen by a whore in a Las Vegas hotel room, and woke up in a bathtub full of ice and a phone in his hand? Totally true, I swear it. How about those kids who had the hot tub in their dorm room, and got caught when they tried to make a new doorway with a sledgehammer? That's true too." *wiggle eyebrows* - - Em, gettin paid under the table from them humor guys, don't tell the Boss. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:02:26 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Well, I appear to have run through the 'requests' list thus far for DV material. At the moment my mind is perking on my first adventure seed for DV, 'Rebirth of Liberty.' So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional info? Suggestions for adventures? Also, anyone who wants to give a more specific view of the Marches than I have thus far (occupied by Hell, but in reality a no-man's-land with the natives growing more powerful and the Menunim and Pachadim in hiding)? Redneck (dum de do, where oh where has the Archangel gone, and where, oh where can she be/ You'll find her down in Manchester town, with the Sons of Liberty) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:35:04 -0400 From: Perry Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > Well, I appear to have run through the 'requests' list thus far for DV > material. At the moment my mind is perking on my first adventure seed for > DV, 'Rebirth of Liberty.' > > So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional > info? Suggestions for adventures? Well, besdies a wordbound/DP of Depression/Despair (I still say DP, even though Saminga may be paranoid, he is also rather not quite bright[intellectually], and more depression=more suicide=more death=more power for Saminga) I'd like to see a Jordi writeup, Novalis too. Some more wordbounds, Hope and Pollution especially. More regional Data, posibly on europe or the far east (specially Japan...) but otehrwise what's out so far is great in and of itself. Perry, yadaayaddayadda of Kobal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional > info? Suggestions for adventures? I've always been rather fond of completeness, so I hereby request that you do DV updates on all the remaining Archangels (including ex-archangels) and Demon Princes. ;) Especially Yves, Kronos and Saminga. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Curious...Prince of Stupidity/Carelessness? On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Pee Kitty wrote: > Oh, I printed out Vagarog...GREAT prince, IMO. I just didn't think he > really covered it. I was thinking of *carelessness* more than > recklessness. Not someone living dangerously, but someone lacking common > sense. Perhaps Vapula? A lot of carelessness involves misapplications of technology. Take a look at some of the warning labels on products, and then think about why they're there...doubtless some fool tried it, sued, and now the company advises against it so they won't be liable again. (Example: suppositories that state "Do not ingest", electrical appaliances that state "Do not immerse in water", etc etc.) Vap tends to embody 'evolution in action' in my game. "They did WHAT? Well, if they're that stupid, they deserve to die..." - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:36:31 -0400 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 2 10/24/97 >>True, but this isn't an attempt to make him Fall, or become Dissonant. This >>would be a pure psychological torture, making the Compulsive Answer Man >>unable to answer even 'Is black white?' >Hm, maybe... Maybe somebody already toasted him out of mercy, >before Heaven fell... (That'd get rid of all those annoying >Ofanim of Revelations!) No! No! We refuse to surrender so easily... There'd be the mystery of what happened to Litheroy to solve, and he'd want us to in his memory... and you have to catch me first :P Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** God is an Iron ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:16:48 -0400 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials [Peter] >one of the PC's in my FTF campaign has a line of angelic script tattooed on >his vessel's chest, along the line of his left collar bone, which >colloquially translated would read "Kiss my Arse!" > >He wears loose open necked shirts and pays close attention to anyone who >does a double take if they see his tattoo. Anyone else had a player try a >similar dodge. Nope... But that's simply inspired! I wish I'd thought of it... And I will definitely have to steal it if the opportunity comes up. I sure hope you are letting him get away with it... at least sometimes. I mean, reward inginuity and creativity when it rears it's ugly head... :) For the record, is the PC in question an Angel or a Demon? Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** God is an Iron ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:03:10 -0400 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> IN: Dice questions. >> [A. Nachmias] >> > I'm beginning a new In-Nomine campaign and I was >> >pondering about the repeating diceless/diceful question every GM in >> >almost every RPG deals with. [Charybdis] >> Okay. Shoot... [A. Nachmias] >*Bang!* Oops. I should have expected that, shouldn't I :) [A. Nachmias] >> > Yes, when I think of it, In-Nomine can very easily be >> >played diceless, hell, I don't see what reason is for an Angel or a >> >Demon to fail a song. The way I see songs, they are the expressions >> >of the angel himself, he's reciting his own essence - How can someone >> >actually *fail*? >> When countered by another Celestial (or even a human for that matter)? >> When trying it in a long-shot situation? [Charybdis] >Even in long-shot situations and/or when facing a celestial, the >celestial doesn't fail a song, only the affect of the song is so >small that it goes unnoticed. No need for dice there as well. Then it is not truly a long shot... You are saying it always succeed with no result... And I think there may be some cases where it DOES have an effect enough to be noticed. [A. Nachmias] >> >Of course, having a song at level 1 doesn't mean the >> >celestial failed, only the effect was so meek, noone noticed it. [Charybdis] >> But even in RL there are situations where someone who is relatively >> unskilled gets lucky. [A. Nachmias] >I was talking about songs, not skills. Skills are more problematic. >Basically, I think the GM can control and spread luck here and there. But I don't want to always decide what works and what doesn't. Sometimes I want to leave things up to chance. >> [A. Nachmias] >> > Divine/Infernal intervention? You probably ask >> >without stating it. Umm, I can picture a scene: The angel tries to >> >open a door and gets a 111. Holy christ! God appears as a waiter, >> >you can hear heaven's choirs sing loudly, as he open the door for >> >you! Amazing? I think not. My point being: Divine/Infernal >> >intervention should not be completely random and limited to certain >> >significant scenes as the GM sees fit to prevent from ridiculous >> >scenes where God/Lucifer helps/damages opening a miserable door, or >> >other silly scenes. [Charybdis] >> Again, I think a bit of randomness is cool... Sure God and Lucifer have >> grandiose plans, but we (and even the Celestials) don't know what those >> plans are and what is significant to them. Now I agree that your above >> situation is a bit ludicrous, but then, I wouldn't call for a die roll in >> an automatic action... [A. Nachmias] >Randomness? God appearing at a random situation? This is silly. Why? Okay, perhaps it's not random to God, but since we don't share Divine Omniscience, it only seems random to us... [A. Nachmias] >"Oh, hello fellow angels, I kinda stumbled into you and since I'm >here, I just as might help you open this door. *Phooo!* *Door >opened* *Angels stands awed in front of the awesome power of God in >opening doors!*" As I said before, I wouldn't call for a die roll to open a door. I would consider that an automatic action-- unless the door was locked or booby-trapped or something.... [Charybdis] >> As weird as it is, the Over the Edge system did a really good job of >> explaining how and when to use dice... They define 3 kinds of action-- >> automatic, chancy, or impossible. You only have to roll dice in 1 of those >> 3 cases... If an action is automatic-- if there is no way it could fail-- >> there is no need to roll dice. You already know it will succeed. If an >> action is impossible-- if there is no way it could succeed-- you again >> don't need to roll dice. You already know it will fail. The only time you >> need to roll dice is if the action is chancy-- if it falls into the middle >> somewhere... if it might succeed or might fail... Then you roll the dice as >> an impartial bit of randomness... [A. Nachmias] >Nice. I may use this. Like, let the players roll the dice every time >I'm not absolutely sure what the outcome would be. That's more or less what I do... Though I suspect my threshold for "Absolutely sure of the outcome" is likely much higher than yours. >> [A. Nachmias] >> > Dice are bad. Well, mostly bad. I admit some games >> >can't be played without the help of randomness, dice. Still, dice, as >> >I see it, takes some of the role-playing - When you waste time on >> >throwing dice, calculating check-digits, damage points, >> >characteristic points lost and so on, you actually waste time where >> >you could have developed your character. On the other hand, some play >> >more for the battles and less for the role-playing (not munchkins, >> >those play only for the battles, and for the +19,000 two handed >> >sword, of course. ;-)). [Charybdis] >> I think it really depends on the situation. True-- you don't want to >> overuse the dice. Then you get stuck in a situation where mechanics push >> out the story. But having a random element at times can add a lot to the >> game-- both for the GM and for the Pcs. Sometimes, having a long-shot pay >> off can be beneficial-- swinging things in ways neither the GM nor the >> player imagined. Likewise, having a relatively easy task fail also moves >> the plot in unplanned for ways. And it can be more fun for the GM if he >> doesn't always know how *everything* will turn out. (Come to think of it, >> maybe that was the idea behind God granting Free Will-- a chance to relieve >> the monotony of omniscience). [A. Nachmias] >And see what came of -that-! ;-) Ah, but one has to ask, what would it have been like under the alternative... Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** God is an Iron ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:42:24 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! > Maybe I'm just cruel, but I can see too much fun if he lives... > By a vote of 4-1, Litheroy is now officially under torture very secretly in the depths of Perdition. Alaemon has moved him around from one abandoned or untenanted Principality to another, only he knows the exact hiding space. Only he, Kronos, and a handful of Alaemon's Servitors know Litheroy is still alive. But he's alive. Good luck finding him, Ofanim. ^_- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:17:18 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? >Redneck Gaijin wrote: >> >> Well, I appear to have run through the 'requests' list thus far for DV >> material. At the moment my mind is perking on my first adventure seed for >> DV, 'Rebirth of Liberty.' >> >> So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional >> info? Suggestions for adventures? > >Well, besdies a wordbound/DP of Depression/Despair (I still say DP, even >though Saminga may be paranoid, he is also rather not quite >bright[intellectually], and more depression=more suicide=more death=more >power for Saminga) Hmmmm... I'll think about it. I'd like to see a Jordi writeup, Novalis too. Both of these will be short. Jordi's a nut with only a tiny handful of Servitors, and Novalis is a major Wordbound but no longer an Archangel. Some >more wordbounds, Hope and Pollution especially. Hope is either Gabriel's or Lucifer's jurisdiction, under Fire and Light. Pollution will be a Word under Vapula. More regional Data, >posibly on europe or the far east (specially Japan...) Someone has asked to do Europe. As for Japan.... Japan can be divided into three parts. Tokyo the radioactive bay, volcanic ash and lava, and rural areas with lots of earthquakes, demons, and Etherial spirits good and evil. The oni in particular are P. O.d at the invader gaijin demons. No government is left from Hokkaido to Okinawa larger than a village council. What little human life is left in Japan is existing on substinence level or fleeing to the Asian or American mainland. Of course, there are lots of Shinto spirits trying to protect those who remain... Anyone more familiar with Etherials and the Shinto religion can take a whack at the details. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #435 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.