From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Mon Oct 27 09:12:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12911 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:12:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA25046 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:51:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:51:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199710271451.IAA25046@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #438 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 438 In this digest: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #436 Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) Re: IN> Story : Masquerade Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) IN> [DV] Monster Sampling in DV Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) Re: IN> IN5 [Fluff] IN> Call for Christopher B. Jackson Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials IN> Handle for Perry Contest Re: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro Re: IN> Two questions.. Re: IN> Yves Library (fluff) Re: IN> Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Nybbas, Archangel of the Media (Communica Re: IN> Two questions.. Re: IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:56:31 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] >With all the things happening in the In Nomine world, what about >vengeance? With the change in alliances and Saminga going force hungry, >I bet someone just might be a little mad. > >Is there a AA or word-bound in the In Nomine books, or do I have to >create them? > >With Uriel it might be something like this : Impure*slash*, Impure*slash >Impure impure impure *slash*slash*slash* *insane cackle* > >Jaeden I'd say so. From Book of Angels, published by Caliber Comics (hey, you take what you can get) they give as source for their depiction of Uriel as: Apocalypse of St. Peter "Uriel, the angel of God, will bring forth in order, according to their transgressions, the souls of those sinners... They will burn them in everlasting fire. And after all of them are destroyed with their-dwelling places, they will be punished eternally." Not a very happy thing, if you're a sinner. Sounds great if you're aching to see those sinners punished. :) An excellent point, actually. According to Chiliastic thought... [He he he, just learned the word, chiliasm is the theological doctrine that Christ will come to earth in a visible form and set up a theocratic kingdom over all the world and thus usher in the Millennium. Cool word, eh? Anyone for AA of Chiliasm? :) ] At any rate, Chiliastic thought has flourished strongest in those who feel _oppressed_, mostly the poor, the hungry and the 'down and out' most acutely. (I'm generalizing here, people and forgive the language, I've spent the week-end in the library.) Most importantly, the image idea of Christ's second coming was not only one of liberation but of vengeance. Basically, kicking the ass of anyone who used to kick yours. In other terms, a complete restructuring of society wherein everyone worships God and no one is oppressing you. No one. Of course, in order for that to happen, the Lord will come down and destroy all those who would oppress you. [Death, death, evil death, murder death kill.] This would be all fine and good because it's the will of the Lord. If I've opened a can of worms that you don't want to deal with, then... uh... sorry. But, Laurence and Dominic _do_ favor Christianity... :) - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Yes, you can stay in the same guy for nine years and rack up so much discord that your Celestial Form looks like the kind of thing Saminga scrapes off the underside of his feet, but that makes it so much harder to do anything if you're murderous, vulnerable to cheese, deathly afraid of the color blue, and your host glows in the dark." -Nana Yaw Ofori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:58:13 -0200 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre > Howcome Malakim will work for Lust & not the Media? "Boys just wanna have fun..." ~ Cindy Lauper (I think...) Andre, D.P. ):-9 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:41:54 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #436 >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:38:17 -0500 >From: David Edelstein >Subject: IN> Flushing out Celestials > > >No, 'cause there is no "angelic script" in canon. Making it up for your >game is fine, but then you do have to deal with clever players who use it >to their advantage. Then again, even without angelic script, a tattoo >that says in English (or any other language) "I am a Malakite of War, die >Balseraph scum!" (or something along those lines) would probably have the >same effect... *laugh* I'm now imagining a Shedim servant of Dark Humour who possesses tattoo artists and writes something along these lines on random customers, just for giggles. I wonder if it'd get more brownie points if you managed to write 'I am a Malakite of War' on some demonic vessel?! jo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 00:04:21 -0200 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Well... what next? Redneck Gaijin wrote: > So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional > info? Suggestions for adventures? What about the DV Undeads? They are a real force now, with Saminga ruling things from below... How are they bein created? At which rate? Maybe Saminga manages to turn lots of dying humans into undeads... What Mummies, Vampires and Zombies are doing in the DV world?? Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:25:43 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: More DV stuff >> >The successful Fallen of Judgement keep their motivations to >> >themselves, ask penitently to be allowed to serve in Dominic's >> >Crusade, and play upon his insanity, distracting his murderous >> >urges from themselves by directing it at others. >> >> Yes, that makes perfect sense. This must promote a lot of panic, >> trying to find convenient targets to point him at. > >Hmmm - interesting idea. New Heaven sends a suicide squad to try >convincing Dominic that Saminga is a convenient target...or some >other superior. Adventure seed? > Not really. Even if Dominic listened, he has Saminga on his hit list - -already,- along with the rest of Creation. }:-{D The less insane part of his mind realizes that it's not time yet, though, and he should work on the popcorn shrimp before going after the stuffed king crab. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:23:55 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) > Another possiblity if Heaven's fall were that rapid is that most of the >Hearts are still there. Remember though, they're still Angelic Hearts, >something the average Diabolical foot soldier isn't going to be able to >touch, much less move around. One of the Superiors could certainly make >the effort as could easily the Holder of the Granite Throne, but Saminga >busy doing more fun jobs like nuking Budapest. I'm going to guess that you missed the various followups- but a lot of them were in private, so I'm going to explain: All the Hearts remaining in Heaven were gathered up by Demons (who, now that Heaven is desecrated, may walk around at leisure and carry Hearts anyplace) and stored in a single building, a Dark Ampitheatre. One by one, Kronos' assigned hit squad would take a Heart, use it to find its holder, and hunt them down on Earth and slay them Corporeally. In Heaven, a 'press gang' would wait just in case the Angel ascended before corp-death, or if the angel was a Malakim, and beat them into submission or soul-death. Traumatized or stunned angels would then be taken to Hell, and their hearts destroyed by Kronos in his daily visit to Occupied Heaven. Angels of the following Superiors do not have their Hearts in the Dark Ampitheatre: Blandine, David, Michael, Laurence - all their Hearts destroyed during Armageddeon, Blandine's in the fall of her Tower, the rest by the Archangels' will to prevent capture Eli - Those rare (repeat, RARE) Servitors who were not farmed out to other Archangels during Eli's Sabbatical hid their Hearts separately. So long as they weren't just lying out (some were), they were not found by the Demons. Finally, any Demon may hold a Heart, but only a Demon Prince, Archangel, or the angel the Heart belongs to may shatter it. > A good possiblity for an adventure in the earliest phases of DV would >take place just after the lighting of the Austin Tower, quite probably in >the planning while it's being built, The University of Texas Tower was built in 1935. }:-{D Seriously, Eli was Out of Touch during the week between the end of Armageddeon and the Lighting of the Tower... and no other Archangel was that close. Only after Lucifer's Lighthouse and the Tether appeared did the remaining Angels hear the mournful keening of twenty thousand or so stolen captive Hearts. > While outside, humans and celestials alike, celebrated the lighting of >the Tower and the Redemption of the Adversary, others were waiting for >another signal. Maybe I overstated the attention Celestials paid to the Lighting. -Before- it happened, only Superiors on Earth and Celestials in the Austin area could feel it happening; it's -after- that when things began to organize. > So plans were made in haste and volunteers were sought. Some of Eli's >Servitors, those who had remained in his service when their Superior had >left his station, vouchsafed the locations of their Hidden Hearts, these >would lead other Angels into each of the Cathedrals to carry away what > Those who could be spared of Eli's crafters were pressed into >providing relics that would suppress the alarm a Heart would normally give >out The hearts are all keening that quiet little alarm nonstop, crying at being possessed by the demons. From Lucifer's Lighthouse it can be heard as a faint, mournful cry; in the Eternal City it is a soul-wrenching shriek which does not end. >could be done however, about the Hearts of the Archangels lost in battle >and those of the fallen Dominic, volunteers for those especially hazardous >targets were not lacking. I don't know that Archangels even -have- Hearts. If they do, who made them? In addition the strong force that would storm >up the new Tether would aid as a diversion in addition to their primary >purpose of securing a beachhead. > The beachhead is already secured, through a combination of Saminga's inaction and Hell's lingering terror of Lucifer. However, it will be some time (years maybe, if not decades) before they can move past that beachhead with any hope of success. >fortress on Gabriel's volcano, where his own Heart lay, awaiting rescue or >destruction. Gabriel's Cathederal of Fire was raided as well, and abandoned; Gabriel has since reclaimed it. The only Hearts she has are those very, very few she has re-made for her Servants in the meantime. As for the bhodunspellables and the saints, those Saints not on the Earth were called up along with Upper Heaven, snatched away from their would-be tormenters in the removal of Paradise from the Universe. I've been thinking along similar concepts as yours, though... good job on imagery and story snip. Nathaniel Eliot is working on something similar, and I hope he'll chip in some input on this as well. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:06:20 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Story : Masquerade >Totally apocryphal, naturally: and inspired at least in part by Redneck's >_Chess Game_, and in part by listening to _The Devil goes down to Georgia_ >too many times. Opinions welcome. > Not bad. My only problem is that the story has Laurence and Michael looking like a couple of dunces, not being able to recognize anybody when the masks and actions of most of the people are a dead giveaway. Granted, there were some I'm very much guessing on, but some are pretty easy to guess. }:-{D Thanks for the fun... though I could wish for better wordwrap. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:03:15 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! [Redneck] >>>>Only he, Kronos, and a handful of Alaemon's Servitors know Litheroy is still >>>>alive. [Charybdis] >>> Definitely has adventure potential... :) >>> I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest >>> distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever >>> Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), [Kingsley] >> 'Course, considering where he is, the "fastest way there" is >>probably, "Sit down and shut up." (Half an hour later, Jeremiah the >>Calabim strolls into the room with Litheroy and winks. "Hi, boss.") Guess that's about the most literal example I've seen yet of the old cliche', "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...." Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** Let them eat each other!** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! > >> I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest > >> distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever > >> Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), > > 'Course, considering where he is, the "fastest way there" is > >probably, "Sit down and shut up." (Half an hour later, Jeremiah the > >Calabim strolls into the room with Litheroy and winks. "Hi, boss.") > Looks like I'd better finalize the DV rules for Falling pretty soon... }:-{D > Redneck (suffice to say, it's not that simple) Um..suffice to say, you missed the point. It was a joke. Though, on the note of it, your comment in your finalized Falling rules as to the Celestial's personality changing when they Fall, is a good point. (You'll note I didn't carry even the joke on that past, "Hi, boss," which, if you knew Jeremiah, you'd've recognized immediately as a radical personality swap. Jeremiah the Ofanite more likely might've dashed in and started responding to all those tape recorded questions, or at least explained to Litheroy for half an hour what he had to go through to get there. He definitely doesn't `stroll'.) [I actually gave some thought to what Jeremiah the Calabim would be like, but that's just because Camilla thought he'd be happier that way.] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:34:51 -0500 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) >> Another possiblity if Heaven's fall were that rapid is that most of the >>Hearts are still there. Remember though, they're still Angelic Hearts, >>something the average Diabolical foot soldier isn't going to be able to >>touch, much less move around. One of the Superiors could certainly make >>the effort as could easily the Holder of the Granite Throne, but Saminga >>busy doing more fun jobs like nuking Budapest. > >I'm going to guess that you missed the various followups- but a lot of them >were in private, so I'm going to explain: > > I was catching up on over 3000 unread messages so and I block-deleted a bit arbitarily. and I also did my writing somewhat early on. I was more thinking of this as a forum for possible scripts as this would be an example of Amber-level play, where PC's would be in a situation where they'd be key elements in perhaps the most major IN scenario written. Consider this an alternate take on the early events of DV with full compliments intended towards the authors. >could be done however, about the Hearts of the Archangels lost in battle >and those of the fallen Dominic, volunteers for those especially hazardous >targets were not lacking. I don't know that Archangels even -have- Hearts. If they do, who made them? My mistake, I meant to say the followers of the Archangels lost in battle. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:43:40 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Monster Sampling in DV >Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> So... any requests for DV? Demon Prince mods you'd like to see? Regional >> info? Suggestions for adventures? > > What about the DV Undeads? They are a real force now, with Saminga ruling >things from below... How are they bein created? At which rate? Maybe Saminga >manages to turn lots of dying humans into undeads... What Mummies, Vampires and >Zombies are doing in the DV world?? > Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, and the Ukraine are absolutely crawling with undead. What was Romania (Transylvania, to be exact) has more undead than living humans in it. In lesser numbers, the undead are spreading through all the other continents at an impressive rate. Saminga himself no longer makes undead, but his dukes and barons and other subordinates do, and more than ever before. Meanwhile, Vapula has released his own creations onto the Earth, a mixture of corporeal and celestial energies; resembling the fantasy monsters of dozens of cultures, like the chupacabra, the faun, and others. As a class, they can be called 'Jerseys' after the legendary Jersey Devil. JERSEY CORPOREAL FORCES - 3 (usually Str 4 Agi 8) ETHERIAL FORCES - 0 (Int 0 Pre 0) CELESTIAL FORCES - 2 (usually Will 5 Pre 3) (Charisma -3) (animal head) Songs: Numinous Corpus: Fangs, Horns, Tail, Feet, Tongue, WIngs (all at 4) Rite: Feed from the body of a human being they have slain (+1) Vicious as a rabid dog and dumb as a bag of hammers, Jerseys exist only to (pardon the pun) bedevil Mankind. When people live in cities, they stay away. When people live in small groups, they harass their livestock, eat their pets, and vandalize their property. When a person lives alone.... Jerseys are solitary beasts. Vapula never bothered to give them a mating instinct- they were bred via test-tubes- so the creatures tend to attack each other on sight. When not in 'attack mode', the creature looks like a pygmy human with an ugly animal head- horse, lizard, rabbit, dog, and goat being most popular. When in attack mode, however, the creature often blows all its limited store of Essence instinctively on Numinous Corpus songs, morphing into a creature capable of ripping a human into hash. A turn of events which Hell did -not- count on, but which it embraced, was the awakening from the depths of the oceans of the race of giant sea monster known in the Bible as Leviathan. LEVIATHAN CORPOREAL FORCES - 4 (Str 12, Agi 4) ETHERIAL FORCES - 1 (Int 2, Pre 2) CELESTIAL FORCES - 0 (Wil 0, Per 0) Some have described Leviathan as a giant squid, others as an armor-plated shark, others yet as a sea serpent. Whichever is the truth, what is known is that few ships have met the Leviathan and lived. Aircraft carriers and fishing boats alike have vanished beneath the waves, with the only clue being the silver-backed giant swimming off, leaving the life rafts and humans clinging to debris for smaller predators. It is unknown whether or not Leviathan actually feeds off its 'kills,' or if it is territorial in some way. It -is- known that it will not swim in waters less than 300 feet deep, and will not swim in enclosed seas like the Persian Gulf and Mediterranean. It does not swim the Gulf of Mexico, but visits the Carribean Sea now and again. It has sunk ships making the Murmansk run around Scandinavia and freighters sailing around the Cape of Good Hope. Aside from these tiny 'safe zones', however, there is no telling where, or when, the creature will strike... There are many, many more unusual creatures, but since I'm a bit lazy I'll leave those to others if they want 'em. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:23:42 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! >> >> I can see it now... I try and invoke my resonance for finding the shortest >> >> distance between myself and where I need to go (in this case, wherever >> >> Litheroy is). And by an amazing fluke (Divine Intervention, perhaps... ), >> > 'Course, considering where he is, the "fastest way there" is >> >probably, "Sit down and shut up." (Half an hour later, Jeremiah the >> >Calabim strolls into the room with Litheroy and winks. "Hi, boss.") >> Looks like I'd better finalize the DV rules for Falling pretty soon... }:-{D >> Redneck (suffice to say, it's not that simple) > Um..suffice to say, you missed the point. On purpose. I've played in games where people did just that kinda stuff, in other settings, on a regular basis. Never fun. > Though, on the note of it, your comment in your finalized Falling >rules as to the Celestial's personality changing when they Fall, is a good >point. (You'll note I didn't carry even the joke on that past, "Hi, boss," >which, if you knew Jeremiah, you'd've recognized immediately as a radical >personality swap. Jeremiah the Ofanite more likely might've dashed in and >started responding to all those tape recorded questions, or at least >explained to Litheroy for half an hour what he had to go through to get >there. He definitely doesn't `stroll'.) I don't know Jeremiah, sorry to say. (Or not so sorry, perhaps. }:-{D) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:59:09 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! > Guess that's about the most literal example I've seen > yet of the old cliche', "The road to Hell is paved with good > intentions...." I was hoping that, in the DV universe at least, it would be paved with those Ophanim of Litheroy... Of course, it would probably be paved with Malakim feathers, instead, for that oh, so creepy feeling... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:56:27 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory:Commando raids on Heaven (long) >>> Another possiblity if Heaven's fall were that rapid is that most of the >>>Hearts are still there. Remember though, they're still Angelic Hearts, >>>something the average Diabolical foot soldier isn't going to be able to >>>touch, much less move around. One of the Superiors could certainly make >>>the effort as could easily the Holder of the Granite Throne, but Saminga >>>busy doing more fun jobs like nuking Budapest. >> >>I'm going to guess that you missed the various followups- but a lot of them >>were in private, so I'm going to explain: >> >> > I was catching up on over 3000 unread messages so and I block-deleted a >bit arbitarily. and I also did my writing somewhat early on. I was more >thinking of this as a forum for possible scripts as this would be an >example of Amber-level play, where PC's would be in a situation where >they'd be key elements in perhaps the most major IN scenario written. >Consider this an alternate take on the early events of DV with full >compliments intended towards the authors. Fair enough, and thanks for the compliments. (Never cared for Amber, game or novel, but I understand the ref.) It's a free country, at any rate, and if you have an independent vision of DV, you're free to pursue it. I just find it easier and more efficient to try to integrate DV into one grand vision, a vision which, for all my snap answers and prodigious writing, I have blind spots in as well. You just fell into a spot that I've been looking at -real- hard of late. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 00:49:33 -0800 (PST) From: lugaid@seanet.com Subject: Re: IN> IN5 [Fluff] On 1997-10-24 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com }> No Heaven, no Hell, no afterlife...when you're dead, you're dead. }Just like to point out that the lack of Heaven and Hell doesn't }preclude an afterlife, just one in those two places. Ethereal }afterlives are still possible, as is ressurection. and these, in my version of IN Back-Sideways, are the *natural* afterlives for humans... the presence of two mucking great powers (God and Satan) upsets this normal state of things, dragging souls from their natural afterlives into... whatever... Slan agus Beannachtai, Lugaid MacRobert Republicans understand the importance of bondage. - Quayle Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:20:54 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: IN> Call for Christopher B. Jackson Hey! Christopher! Yeah, you!!!! I got something for you I _know_ you're gunna like! - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Yes, you can stay in the same guy for nine years and rack up so much discord that your Celestial Form looks like the kind of thing Saminga scrapes off the underside of his feet, but that makes it so much harder to do anything if you're murderous, vulnerable to cheese, deathly afraid of the color blue, and your host glows in the dark." -Nana Yaw Ofori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:33:26 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Flushing out Celestials At 01:19 PM 25/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>colloquially translated would read "Kiss my Arse!" >> >>He wears loose open necked shirts and pays close attention to anyone who >>does a double take if they see his tattoo. Anyone else had a player try a >>similar dodge. >Redneck wrote >Not yet... > >... but if that had been my game, I'd have had every Celestial react with 'A >twit, yawn' while every human who noticed the tatoo would double-take trying >to read it, or at least identify the alphabet. The character in question already has a rep as a bit of a loose cannon, so it suited him. And as you (and others) pointed out it is a dead give away and not a very discriminating tool. >Charybdis GreyDragon Wrote >Nope... But that's simply inspired! I wish I'd thought of it... And I >will definitely have to steal it if the opportunity comes up. I sure hope >you are letting him get away with it... at least sometimes. I mean, reward >inginuity and creativity when it rears it's ugly head... :) > > For the record, is the PC in question an Angel or a Demon? That's what the other players wanted to know :) . For the record he is an Ofanite, originally created by Lawrence, cast out, picked up by Eli, and now working for Blandine. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:55:25 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: IN> Handle for Perry Contest Hello all, I've decided that I'd like to have a handle, but haven't had much luck finding one that really "resonates" with me. So... ...I'm having a contest!!! Here are the rules: (1) Each participant may send ONE (1) e-mail submission (2) Each participant may include up to five suggestions (3) No postings to this In Nomine mailing list. (4) The winner gets the honor of having named me! (5) Suggested handles must be at least semi-serious. (6) THERE IS NO RULE SIX!!!!! (7) Contest ends on 11/10/97 Thank you, please participate, and have a nice day, - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Yes, you can stay in the same guy for nine years and rack up so much discord that your Celestial Form looks like the kind of thing Saminga scrapes off the underside of his feet, but that makes it so much harder to do anything if you're murderous, vulnerable to cheese, deathly afraid of the color blue, and your host glows in the dark." -Nana Yaw Ofori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:59:54 -0200 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> [DV] PLACES: The Holy City of Rio de Janeiro Well, I felt kinda obligated to reply this. I was *born* in Rio, after all... Redneck Gaijin wrote: > The fires burn on in the Amazon, plants and animals strike back against the > lonely substinence farmers on the edge of the wilds, and creatures of the > night roam the wide empty places... The image is good, although The Amazon stays a good 3.000 km away from Rio... > Only a tiny fraction of the population of the city- as few as 10%- have city > services aside from the self-defense force's protection. Electricity and > fuel are scant commodities, only for the elite and powerful. That's pretty much what would happen, yes. I've made a cyberpunk scenario for Rio and it was very similar. > Most of the > older, smoky cars and outboard-motor boats are being cannibalized for raw > materials, since what little fuel which comes in from Caracas City-state or > from Arabia Wait a minute: Petrobras (the national oil company) is presently the word main producer of oil from deep waters, with more than 300.000 barrels of oil/day flowing from its wells in the Campos Basin - in the sea just outside Rio. It's one third of the country's daily production. Sure, it would still be hold by the military, but I think that there would be some available to the population - yet at outrageous prices... > Rio is special in that it contains one of the five claimants of the title of > Pope in the Roman Catholic Church. Right, Rio is a very catholic city (have you seen the two million people in Pope John Paul II's last visit's service??) and the head of the church there *do* has political power. > Pope Paolo (Paul) Paulo? Paulo corresponds to 'Paul', in portuguese. Unless you actually intended to give it a roman (italian) sounding... Pope Paolo di Brasil probably is called here as Papa Paulo do Brasil. What the heck, it's a fairly good sketch of pos-apocalyptic Rio!! I may well use it in my campaign... As soon as I fill in the details... Thumbs up for you, Redneck! Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:43:43 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Two questions.. > I'm having a hard time answering a question of our group. The book says, > under Disturbance, that every 4 points of damage to an inanimate object > causes a point of disturbance, and that a human, when killed, causes > disturbance equal to his Corp forces (plus the +10). It seems to be saying > that you could beat up on a human all you want (as long as you don't kill > him) silently, but if you smashed their TV set into rubble, THAT causes a > disturbance! Seems kind of...wrong. The FAQ doesn't cover this...what's > up? >From the FAQ - ------------ Does damaging, but not killing, a human cause Disturbance? Damage to anything non-Celestial does disturbance. One point of Disturbance for every four points of damage. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:31:30 -0200 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library (fluff) Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: > Haven't you ever been in a library, walking through the stacks, and found > a shelf full of facinating stuff you weren't expecting? Sat down, right > there in the Aisle, and just communed with all the mondo interesting > books, oblivious to all but the written word until the Librarians > flashed the lights to warn everyone it was time to leave? Yves' Library > found you... Jeez...! It has happened to me! When I was a child, there was that little neighborhood library next to my house with the *best* books I've ever read... I used to go there and spend whole afternoons in a non-stop reading frenzy. After a while I stop going there - and when I went back, some years ago, it was strange... It looked like a normal library and - listen! - I couldn't find any of my favorite books of that time!! Maybe I've already wandered Heaven's aisles... Not bad for a Demon Prince...):-9 Andre, D.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:15:49 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> > Hey all, > I just rented a movie by Ivan Reichman called, > "Commandments". I thought it was really good and would be of > interest to this list. Especially the "play it backwards" > crowd. Idea is this; Man goes through numerous senseless > tragedies and demands to know 'why' from God. He starts > breaking the 10 commandments 1 by 1 until he gets an answer. > Like I said, I thought it was good, and it's actually a comedy > - so if you're up for something IN-ny, and don't want The > Prophecy, grab this one, I recommend it. Someone summon me? Next time, close the pentagram, dude. :) Well, it sounds like a typical "Job" sort of thing. I have never seen the movie, actually. I'll put it on my viewing list, though. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:03:26 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Nybbas, Archangel of the Media (Communica > >Bacteria, crawling 10 miles? Somehow, it would seem creepier if they > >*weren't* decaying. Other than that, more kudos... > > > Crawling from beneath the surface of the ground, more like a few inches > (which is still a ways to go for bacteria)... Spores and other wind-borne things might be a better option. Imagine whole fields of corpses with lovely little fungi growing on them... nice, eh? ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:03 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Two questions.. > >> *ahem* Right. Yes, every 4 points of damage to *anything* will > >> cause disturbance. So if you toast a human, it's +10, +human > >> Forces, +1-per-every-4-points it took to kill him in the > >> first place. > > Velcome. Just wish it was on the FAQ. Karakash!!! It's been in the FAQ... in fact it's in one the oldest copies of the FAQ I have been able to dig up (once I brushed the dust off of it.) <*grumble, grumble, no one reads anymore... darn kids... why in MY day...*> - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:15:49 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence On Oct 25, 2:43am, BCBermuda2@aol.com wrote: > Subject: IN> The Blade Blessing of Laurence > I have a question regarding Laurence's Servitor Attunement: The Blade > Blessing of Laurence. It says that the blade touched has +5 Power. Now It > says that this bonus is not cumulative. Does that mean it is not cumulative > with another use of the Attunement or with the current Power of the weapon or > both? I can understand it not being cumulative with another use of the > Attunement, but what about the current Power a weapon has? If a PC has a > sword (+4 Power) and he uses the Attunement, does the weapon become +9 Power, > or does it just have a +5 power totally. Hmmmm. Based on the reasoning you have given (high essence cost, short duration) and the fact that most 'blades' in the game already have a Power of +2 to +4, I'd say that it _was_ cumulative with the normal power (though multiple blessings would not work). - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #438 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.