From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Oct 31 00:22:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23618 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:22:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA32047 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:00:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:00:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199710310600.AAA32047@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #450 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 31 1997 Volume 01 : Number 450 In this digest: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Stuff and Bother IN> Tethers. Re: IN> Crime & Punishment Re: IN> [DV] Symphony's End Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Falling IN> New IN Campaign Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #449 Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> IMPORTANT message Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse IN> Purgatory banter Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> [DV] Falling Re: IN> Stuff and Bother Re: IN> New IN Campaign Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Beth's Non-canon Superiors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > >"I'm trying to figure out how to do 6 glowing red eyes under the hood. Any > >ideas?" > > For all those who have suggested Christmas lights: don't. Those little > incandescent bulbs can burn skin or start fires, -if- you can get them to > work off a battery. LED's shouldn't be bad, though. They don't emit an appreciable amount of heat, so the risk of fires and burns is very low. If you run them off a little 1.5 volt battery (or a few), then the risk should be nonexistent. - -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Stuff and Bother > >> The biggest thing a major city, any major city, has going against > >> it is food supply. That isn't too much of a problem for Detroit > >> since there is a lot of farmable land around it but most major > >> cities are going to see a mass exodus until food supplies can be > >> re-established. > >And the multitude of lakes would supply an abundance of water as > >well. The image is more "Michigan Militia"-ish that anything - > >lotsa folks running around playing soldier in the suburbs/U.P., with > >Malphas enjoying every minute of it. > Okay, how about this: the 'Liberated Republic of Michigan,' centered in the > U. P. and moving slowly down the lower peninsula? Guerilla strikes and > beasties keep the various little city-states of the lower P from > communicating well and wreak havoc with the growing of food. > Er... um.... I lived in the UP, dude. Do you know what's up there? Deer. Beer. Fish. Lots of snow. Marquette? It's tiny. The roads up there are mostly abandoned, few, and far between. People are scattered. Houghton-Hancock is an eyeblink. Either months out of the year, you can't move. It's a terrible place for a Capital of anything. I suggest that the main center get moved back south of the Bridge, but still north. Someplace where you can at least plow. Maybe... just maybe... Oh NO! OH GOD! ALPENA! It's true! It's so true. *sob* If you're going to have Celestials ANYWHERE, I swear, there ya go. Actually, the place in an armpit. The capital can easily move up to Traverse City, and live off non-Lake Michigan Water for drinking, but use it for sewage. > As for the lake water... remember that Chicago is now a radioactive bay in > the tip of Lake Michigan... > I have never drank any water out of Lake Michigan. Nor can I imagine many people have, except for those who live directly on it, because it'll likely grow you a third eye. The entire state is mostly a swamp. You can't throw a peanut without hitting a lake. Heck, even my apartment complex has a big old pond. Some people get sewers (I'm near the edge of the waterline) but most people sink wells and use hard water out of the waterline from the low point of their back yards. Same with drainage fields. > >> Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph > >> Road, nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." > >Based on this, Saminga would leave Detroit alone ("Land of the 90 mph > >Bumper-to Bumper Rush Hour!") Being an Ohio transplant both awed > >and terrified of Michigan driving habits, I am convinced that Kobal > >and Saminga are co-operators of the Michigan driver's license bureau. > > It is my understanding that a Servitor of Saminga designs the highways while > a Servitor of Kobal designs the driver's ed. }:-{D > No... that's a servitor of Haagenti. You never met my Driver's Ed Teacher. *shiver* - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:32:59 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> Tethers. Sam wrote: "BTW, rough rule of thumb please: how many tethers per city? Austin has four (two a side) for 900,000 people, according to Night Music; should we expect similar ratios for other cities, or is Austin special?" It's one of those cases where there is no 'official' rule of thumb, it generally depends on the city and how many you want. For example, the small city (large town) that my IN campagn started in was literally crawling with tethers (3 divine and 4 infernal, if I recall). This for a city with only 60,000 people! The main reason for this was that the town was emitting *very* strong disturbances to the Symphony, so strong that once you got inside the town you couldn't pinpoint where it was coming from. AAs and DPs had been working hard to establish tethers, trying to figure out what was happening (and not wanting to miss out if it benefitted them). In the story, the reason for the noise was an ancient Ethereal dreamtime creature getting ready to 'wake' and walk the earth again (a Bunyip). The collective prayers of thousands of displaced aboriginals was awakening the creature. Sure this wouldn't work for every game, but in this case it did. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:43:34 -0500 From: John J Maurer Subject: Re: IN> Crime & Punishment At 03:50 PM 10/30/97 -0500, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 1:52 PM -0600 10/30/97, Austin G. Loomis wrote: >>Let me guess, Jo -- you don't like the Inquisition either? (I'm still >>reserving judgment on Judgment, but based on the vignette from H&H that's >>on the website, I'm not optimistic.) Actually, I prefered the vignette to the writeup in H&H. I am partial to fanatic NPCs in my games. It keeps that grey area squishy. Once I had a "good guy" NPC unleash a plague onto society knowing that he could blame the "bad guys" and the backlash would hurt the bad guys. I thought the vignette showed that Dom really does want to win the war and his argument that "better to kill her than let her become a monster" is justifiable. Speaks Never attribute to malice that which can adaquately be explained by stupidity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:48:20 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Symphony's End This is off-the-cuff memory spurred by free association, so please be lenient. Earl Unified Field Theory (author slips my mind) In the beginning, God created Aristotle, And objects at rest tended to remain at rest, And objects in motion tended to come to rest. And soon all was at rest, And God saw that it was boring. So God created Newton, And objects at rest tended to remain at rest, But objects in motion tended to remain in motion, And momentum was conserved, and energy was conserved, And God saw that it was conservative. Then God created Einstein, And long things become short, And straight things became bent, And space was filled with inertial frames. And God saw that, while it was relatively general, Some of it was especially relative. Then God created Bohr, And Bohr created the principle, And the principle was quantum, And all things were quantified, But some things were still relative. And God saw that it was confusing. And God was going to create Furgeson, And Furgeson would have unified, And he would have fielded a theory, And all things would have been one. But it was the seventh day, and God rested. And objects at rest tend to remain at rest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ozmodeus Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse According to Highway Star: > Charlottesville has lost a good part of the city, and resistance has > solidified around the University of Virginia. I've got good plans for who > is *really* running UVA now... Yeah, either you - or me! Later, Dan Ozdowski - -- The Devil's Cabana Boy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:09:58 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling >As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic >Intervention, they Fall. > Is that a Demonic Intervention to the Dissonance roll or to any roll? I assume the former even though I read the sentence to say the later. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:34:41 -0800 From: "Keith Phemister" Subject: IN> New IN Campaign I'm starting a new IN campaign and have made some of the big general decisions. It's set in Sacramento CA, Dominic and Asmodeus have placed very powerful, trusted lieutenants in charge of swaying the political arena of the most populous state in the Union to either Divine or Infernal designs. I have a couple of story seeds in mind, I just need some help with one thing. How powerful should I make the Lieutenants to the AA and DP. After all, I still want the PCs to be able to eventually lock horns (or halos) with these guys directly, but I still want them to reflect the power level that a "most trusted lieutenant" of Dominic or Asmodeus would have. Could anyone give me some "benchmark" values (how many forces, resources, etc...) Thanks. EvilPheemy "EvilPheemy is not really evil, just misunderstood. He really likes little kids and puppy dogs, baked together at 375 degrees for 20 minutes in a nice orange sauce". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:34:33 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse At 10:38 AM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> >Wouldn't mind knowing what happened to Redford and Birmingham, myself. >> > >> Birmingham, Alabama? And Redford, where? > >Birmingham, Michigan and Redford, Michigan. Both are suburbs of Detroit. >And both I think should be totalled in the Apolcalypse for reasons of >taste. :) > Hey! Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:03:21 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween >I'm trying to figure out how to do 6 glowing red eyes under the >hood. Any ideas? > Six red diods, some wire and a couple of AA cells. Quite simple. Just find an electronics shop. I use to put haunted houses together for UCI. There's lots of neat tricks. Here's one: Vasiline. It glows under black light and is nearly invisible under normal light. Paint designs in your face and when you walk into a black light area, they'll glow. Note that you can have all kinds of fun with this.... Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:39:27 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >> >Hmmm. I dunno. I think feral and prowling doesn't change the state of >> >Detroit much. :) >> > >> The biggest thing a major city, any major city, has going against it is >> food supply. That isn't too much of a problem for Detroit since there is a >> lot of farmable land around it but most major cities are going to see a >> mass exodus until food supplies can be re-established. > >No, there isn't much problem. Once you get out to a certain point the >place is filled with wanton evil cows and lots of farmland. I think >Michigan would make out alright, because the state is largely empty, has >plenty of water, oil (YEAH! We've got our own oil!) for gas for a while, >and food, and hey, the Michigan Militia! It wouldn't be great, and we'd >be stuck with having nothing to watch but UPN, a fate worse then death. >But I think the state would survive if nothing large and plutonium filled >was dropped on it. > You know.... I keep getting flashes of those really bad post opokolypic movies with those guys riding around in the armored cars and motorcycles..... Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:58:15 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After At 05:11 PM 10/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 7:15 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>>At 4:04 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>>>... and for better or worse, Lucifer has vowed that the first strike he >>>>makes against Hell will be to destroy the rest of the Hearts stored away by >>>>the Demons. >[...] >>>I can just see a well-equipped strike team of Malakim (and others) >>>ascending to their Hearts deliberately, grabbing, smashing, and holding off >>>the demon hordes (since it's an unexpected attack, coordinated for >>>all of them to appear nearly at once)... >>> >>>There are disadvantages to gathering all Hearts in one place, >>>after all... Especially if it's not in Hell. >>> >>Thank you, Beth, favored Servitor of Litheroy. }:-{D > > Sorry, I didn't know you'd laid claim >to that inspiration particle already. > >>(so much for quiet plot development on a mini-adventure) > > > >>Who wants to try it? > >Suicidal idiots...? > You call? So who *else* is up for a run on the Hearts. (I'm not a suicidal idiot. I just play one on TV.) Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:28:36 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse At 07:37 PM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Wouldn't mind knowing what happened to Redford and Birmingham, myself. >> >Birmingham, Alabama? And Redford, where? > Sorry, we were talking about Michigan. Those are small cities near Detroit. >>>Hmmm. I dunno. I think feral and prowling doesn't change the state of >>>Detroit much. :) >>> >>The biggest thing a major city, any major city, has going against it is >>food supply. That isn't too much of a problem for Detroit since there is a >>lot of farmable land around it but most major cities are going to see a >>mass exodus until food supplies can be re-established. > >Very true, which is why I have Denver as abandoned. It wasn't harmed by war >or disaster, and there are plenty of minerals to trade with, but without >gasoline to fuel rapid transports, it became unfeasible to support hundreds >of thousands of people there. > >Santa Fe, OTOH, was better able to sustain itself. It's a lot smaller, and >things are tight there, but between the Rio Grande and traders, it survives. > >Interesting footnote: fuel is no longer Texas' main export in DV. Neither is >technology. It's -food.- > I'd expect that the north west populations wouldn't change too much. There's a lot of timber, wheat, and cattle up there. It's all broken up into (relatively) small communities. Also there are a lot of indian reservations up there. Makes me wonder what kind of etherial activity there is. Volcanic activity, at it's extreem would probably only account for 20% of the population. >>Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph Road, >>nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." > >Saminga loves Michigan. He just doesn't care for anything living there. }:-{D > >Redneck (perhaps this Telegraph Road is a tether?) > That'd be one big tether. It's a pretty long road. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:23:03 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast >Los Angeles is now Los Angeles Bay, all the way back to the former San >Andreas Fault. > That must have been one big mother of a bomb. >Most of the land between the fault and the ocean from San Francisco Bay down >to Los Angeles forms one long island now- the fault has opened up into a >long sea inlet named San Andreas Sound. > I would suggest lengthening the bay in Mexico upward toward and maybe past San Diego. >The oceanside parts of San Diego and Tiajuana were liquified by the >earthquakes and irradiated by the bomb blast from Los Angeles. They're >toast. The same for virtually every oceanside city south of Sausalito- >landslides and liquefaction pretty much dumped them into the sea. > Well, liquification won't cause it to slide into the sea. It *will* rip apart and sink everything on the surface though. However, all you have to do is lower the elevatoin of the western portion by 100 feet and you'll put all of the flat areas under water. Note that the highests spots in Orange County (just south of L.A.) that isn't actually in the hills/mountains is 96 feet. That combined with liquification (since it would *then* have a good chance of washing away with the water) sould scoop out all of the coastal non-hill areas up to SF. Most construction on the hills would be damaged but some may surviv intact. Those built on the mountains themselves would only be moderatly damaged. *Then* there would be the brush fires. The L.A. Bay will be full of small islands. L.A. actually flows around a mountain. >The tetonic action has rippled up and down the Americas, re-activating >dormant volcanoes up and down the Pacific rim. Earthquakes are still dying >down from the Last Battle, and most of the volcanoes are still smoking- >those that aren't exploding ash and lava all over the place. > With all that happening, I figure that 80% of the California population would be killed by "natural" causes. 20% in New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona. Colorado, when that dam breaks.... 40% in Oregon, 60% in Washington, 50% in Idaho, 20% in Montana. Note that these are simply immediate losses due to the geologic and nuclear activity. Many places will be depopulated due to lack of resources. Most of California gets its water piped in from the Colorado river and the rest relies on well water. The water lines won't survive and the well water comes from under the flat lands that have just been overrun by the sea.... New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada are going to have water problems as well. >The West Coast is -not- the place to be.... > The northern parts shouldn't be too bad but the southern parts are going to be unlivable without a source of fresh water. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:05:04 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #449 At 15:25 30/10/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:50:16 -0500 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> Crime & Punishment > >At 1:52 PM -0600 10/30/97, Austin G. Loomis wrote: >>Let me guess, Jo -- you don't like the Inquisition either? (I'm still >>reserving judgment on Judgment, but based on the vignette from H&H that's >>on the website, I'm not optimistic.) > >Oh, Dommie's not that bad. He's just... very alone. > >And that sort of mindset is probably perfectly sensible, to him... > *smile* Actually I adore the Inquisition. We all know that as soon as you let PCs out on their own they'll want to break every law they get given, cavort with demons and generally be laid back and have a party -- I think the servants of Judgement are really quite heroically trying to stem the tide, in their own little fanatical way. Err.. but they aren't really laid-back hippy politically-correct angels ;-) One other thing I should have pointed out but didn't was that this concept of 'guilty until proven innocent' is actually enshrined in French Law (its certainly part of the Napoleonic code), and in some other countries as well. I actually think that to the original (French) authors, the Dominican method of trial would seem quite fair and normal. There is also this notion of a Napoleonic Court' in which 3 judges try a case, on the basis that the accused has to prove their innocence against the weight of evidence. They have to convince 2 of the 3 judges to vote in their favour in order to be aquitted. So.. I don't think it was actually intended to be riotously unjust ;) jo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:55:11 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse > > >On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, at 19:38:41 CST, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >[...] >> There are -five- Popes out there- one in Rio, one in Andalusia, one in the >> Congo, one in New Orleans, and one in Quebec. (Only the ones in Rio and the >> Congo actually rule the city, however.) >> >Sounds interesting. I'd be interested in details, vaguely. (My brother >married a good ItalAmer Catholic girl back in July, y'see.) Well, it works out this way. Short version: the Vatican got nuked. Long version: Angels and the old Roman gods united in an effort to stop the nuclear missile from hitting Rome, but got knocked down by Baal and a literal horde of demons in what was the opening gambit for his quarter of Hell's forces. (Saminga shepherded the nuke into Jerusalem, BTW.) Result: Rome was blown to bits, and the entire Italian peninsula is erupting in a long chain of volcanic activity. Pompeii is buried again, along with most of old Italy. >> Salt Lake City (add that one to the Inhabited list) has gone over en masse >> to rule by the Mormons, with all non-Mormons expelled from the inhabitable >> parts of Utah. >> >And the Seagull Society probably plays an expanded role. How well do they >get on with the Texas Rangers? Not well, seeing as a number of those Rangers are black, hispanic, and worst of all female... and better armed than the Seagulls. Fortunately, there's something like 800 miles between the two forces with nothing but Santa Fe in between. >> Those natives in the dark jungles of South America who still worship their >> old gods -weren't touched- by Armageddeon. >> >Not yet, anyway. I imagine they'll start to impinge on Marcus' hobby >soon. > Marcus is headed for trouble three different ways... from Saminga if he doesn't get back to killing -humans- soon, from Jordi if and when he turns his attention to South America, and from those ancient gods of the Indians... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:06:30 -0500 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> IMPORTANT message >At 10:41 PM -0500 10/28/97, Frank Lazar wrote: >> With a name like this, I had to forward this to the list. The sad part, >>however is that this might very well be true. The listadmin might want to >>check out domain-blocking procedures if this happens. > >You should only send this sort of thing to the list admin. Read >the "info" file (send to majordomo@lists.io.com, "info in_nomine-l"). > >That's me. I'll forward it on to the appropriate people. > > > I only sent it to the list because of the "Angelic" tie-ins. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:50:29 -0500 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >Well, I've pretty much given up on trying to give Beth a break and a chance >to catch up after the weekend... }:-{D > >Only a handful of the smallest nations in the Corporeal world still function >as nations. Some capitols, such as Lisbon or Montevideo or Sydney, still >exist intact and claim to govern the rest of their countries (Portugal, >Uruguay, Australia), but functionally they have no control outside their >city limits or a bit farther (most of Portugal's military equipment is >destroyed or held by bandits, Uruguay's countryside is infested with Jerseys >and worse, and Australia's northern area has seceded from the rest of the >nation). >CELESTIALED > >Budapest >(all of Romania) Geographical note. Budapest is actually in the middle of Hungary, about 300 miles from Romania's sound alike capital Bucharest. If the destruction of Budapest affected Romania, it would have nuked Hungary and the Translyvania region, long a contested area between the two, although presently it's within Romanian borders. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:04:21 -0500 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse > > >Why? Besides radiation, what drove people away from Detroit? Why did it >become unfeasible? >> >>Portland, OR: The city itself has been abandoned, but fortified towns along >>the Willamette are doing fairly well in a return to feudalism. >> >What drove people away from Portland? Earthquakes? Volcano? > >On these last two, I'd really like to hear the answers- sounds like you have >something in mind... }:-{D > >Redneck Ever read a book called "WarDay"? A limited nuclear exchange between the Big Two, 3 or 4 of the big American cities get hit. Manhattan is (relatively) lightly dusted by an attack that takes out the Naval Yards at Staten Island and the spillover from the strikes at the New Jersey oil complexes. The EMP toasts all electrical equipment, the low-level radiation is a slow killer, and if that's not enough, there are the wild dog packs that rule uncontested in the area south of Chelsea. The book takes the form of a set of interviews conducted by a traveling pair. The New York interviewee is the constructor with the contract to salvage, strip, and dismantle the World Trade Center. And that's not even a hit, just spillover from neighboring targets. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: IN> Purgatory banter On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Kingsley Lintz wrote: > > As my post said, the Essence goes toward paying off Discord-debt of the > > inhabitants. It's not accessible by anyone there. > Sure, not by anyone THERE, but who do you think they're paying? I > turn their Discord into lint, and plant it in strategic locations > throughout the world... > (Why do you think God didn't give Adam and Eve bellybuttons OR pockets, > hm? But he forgot about toes, the poor fool...) Lint as Discord....hmm. Perhaps that's why drying machines eat socks? It's their Need.... You may be on to something. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:13:47 -0500 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast >>What happened on the west coast (geologically)? > >Los Angeles is now Los Angeles Bay, all the way back to the former San >Andreas Fault. > Except for that island for Kurt Russel to escape from in a couple of decades? :) Go to it Snake! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:39:25 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling >>As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic >>Intervention, they Fall. >> >Is that a Demonic Intervention to the Dissonance roll or to any roll? I >assume the former even though I read the sentence to say the later. > I meant the former. "Okay, you're trying to drive safely past the speed limit on MOPAC south of 35th Street... roll the dice... BOOM! Haagenti appears in the back seat, clobbering you over the head with a giant mallet! Congratulations, you're now a Calabim!" ... it has mild possibilities for amusement, but no, that's not how it works. }:-{D Redneck (anyone who's driven on MOPAC even -before- half the overpasses collapsed knows the speed limit is either a minimum or a joke) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:33:04 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Stuff and Bother >> Okay, how about this: the 'Liberated Republic of Michigan,' centered in the >> U. P. and moving slowly down the lower peninsula? Guerilla strikes and >> beasties keep the various little city-states of the lower P from >> communicating well and wreak havoc with the growing of food. >> > >Er... um.... I lived in the UP, dude. Do you know what's up there? > >Deer. Beer. Fish. Lots of snow. > >Marquette? It's tiny. > >The roads up there are mostly abandoned, few, and far between. People are >scattered. Houghton-Hancock is an eyeblink. Either months out of the >year, you can't move. It's a terrible place for a Capital of anything. > >I suggest that the main center get moved back south of the Bridge, but >still north. Someplace where you can at least plow. Maybe... just >maybe... > >Oh NO! OH GOD! ALPENA! It's true! It's so true. *sob* If you're going >to have Celestials ANYWHERE, I swear, there ya go. > >Actually, the place in an armpit. The capital can easily move up to >Traverse City, and live off non-Lake Michigan Water for drinking, but use >it for sewage. Okay, I'll just rely on y'all natives to supply the fine points, then. }:-{D Still, you get the idea, the militia is loose and it's got enough US Army material to make it potent as a military force... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:44:41 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> New IN Campaign > I have a couple of story seeds in mind, I just need some help >with one thing. How powerful should I make the Lieutenants to the AA and >DP. After all, I still want the PCs to be able to eventually lock horns >(or halos) with these guys directly, but I still want them to reflect the >power level that a "most trusted lieutenant" of Dominic or Asmodeus would >have. Could anyone give me some "benchmark" values (how many forces, >resources, etc...) Thanks. As I was reminded before, the ranking 'baron' is about as high as the PC system will let you climb before it loses relevancy. A Baron has, from the few examples I've seen, a minimum of 15 forces. They're very learned and very powerful. And there are three ranks -above- them. Dukes are extremely powerful. The PCs should -not- go into combat against them by themselves. These are beings knocking on the doors of being Superiors. Barons, alternately, are not direct lieutenants of Superiors, but it is possible (barely) to challenge them head-on and win through numbers... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:27:26 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Beth's Non-canon Superiors >So, to add non-canon to Redneck's non-canon universe (how far from canon >are we *getting* here, anyway?), I present my own Superiors and how they >survived the Dark Victory... (Of course they survived. It's more amusing >that way.) Hm. Scanning... >Beth, Archangel of Archives >=========================== No problems here, really. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >The ArchDean, Archangel of Knowledge (or Secrets, or whatever) >============================================================== >Balseraphs: Gritting her teeth at these perverters of information, the >ArchDean grants them the ability to use their resonance on written material >-- if the Balseraph writes a lie, it will be believed by a number of >readers equal to the Liar's total Forces. The victims resist with Will + >Celestial Forces, but the Balseraph will not take dissonance if they do so >with a CD of 6. It is explained to them that using this ability, save to >serve the causes of New Heaven, will be *strongly* disapproved of... It occurs to me the Balseraph in question is getting a bum deal. He writes a book, it's published, and all but nine of the readers can tell it's a lie- and those nine have a good chance of piercing the lie too. >Djinn: Stalkers and waiters, these demons can attune themselves to a book >(or other work of information) and track down other books that were once >next to it -- for as long as the attunement lasts, the poor Djinn is >usually slouching along from one cache to another, looking for the >information that was once next to the original book. They are tasked with >recovering lost knowledge... and with spying. The ArchDean welcomes Djinn >who were formerly of the Game. Oooh, there's a story there, I suspect... a Servitor of the Game who joins New Heaven not to save the Universe, but just to keep the Game going on and on... >Shedim: With great difficulty, the ArchDean can modify a Shedite so that it >is able to ride "passively" within a host, not influencing it, but only >observing. It may do this for a number of days equal to the check digit of >its possession roll, and must then leave the host. If it tries to >influence the host in any way during this time, however, it must make a >Will roll to assert control -- and if it succeeds, it is instantly bound by >its Band's dissonance conditions. > Needless to say, there aren't many Shedim to be found around New Heaven, >since nobody else likes them... However, they do make good spies. >("Espionage *is* a subset of Knowledge.") Rumor has it that the ArchDean >doesn't mind if a Shedite wrecks an *evil* human's life, but there have >always been rumors about her situational ethics. The question I have here is, how effective is a Shedite who -doesn't want- to destroy humans? Or even -certain- humans? Those Shedim who defect to New Heaven are either looking for Redemption or are trying to save their Renegade tails... and unRedeemable Renegade Shedim are a thousand times more dangerous to New Heaven's cause than they are to Hell. The Archdean must not have -many- Shedim... >The ArchDean is one of the few Archangels who actually tolerates Andre. They all -tolerate- Andre, except Gabriel. They need his people- of all the Superiors in New Heaven, Andrealphus has the most surviving Servitors to contribute. But nobody -likes- him. > Gabriel, insane enough to distrust a Bright Archangel, is >avoided most of the time; this saddens the ArchDean, and when they are >together, she is usually trying to figure out what Gabriel truly needs to >rejoin reality. So far, she hasn't found anything she can supply: Needing >the world to go back to The Way It Was, before the Fall, is just not within >her power. What she needs will be touched upon (far in the future) in 'Heavenly Laughter.' All in all, coolness. I like both characters very much in their older incarnations. Still, you didn't get the one I'm -really- curious about. What happened to KK? }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #450 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.