From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Fri Oct 31 12:42:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05980 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:42:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA30583 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:18:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:18:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199710311818.MAA30583@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #451 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 31 1997 Volume 01 : Number 451 In this digest: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After Re: IN> [DV] Symphony's End Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After IN> Cities After the Apocalypse IN> New IN Campaign Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast IN> [DV] M!ch!gan! Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> New IN Campaign IN> Celestial Genesis Re: IN> New IN Campaign Re: IN> Celestial Genesis Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [DV] Symphony's End Re: IN> [DV] M!ch!gan! Re: IN> New IN Campaign ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:55:41 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >>No, there isn't much problem. Once you get out to a certain point the >>place is filled with wanton evil cows and lots of farmland. I think >>Michigan would make out alright, because the state is largely empty, has >>plenty of water, oil (YEAH! We've got our own oil!) for gas for a while, >>and food, and hey, the Michigan Militia! It wouldn't be great, and we'd >>be stuck with having nothing to watch but UPN, a fate worse then death. >>But I think the state would survive if nothing large and plutonium filled >>was dropped on it. >> >You know.... I keep getting flashes of those really bad post opokolypic >movies with those guys riding around in the armored cars and motorcycles..... Much worse... imagine Mad Max having to cope with punks in Hummers and main-line battle tanks. }:-{/ Redneck (all over the world, crooks are getting the BIG guns now) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:00:24 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After >>>(so much for quiet plot development on a mini-adventure) >> >> >> >>>Who wants to try it? >> >>Suicidal idiots...? >> >You call? > >So who *else* is up for a run on the Hearts. > >(I'm not a suicidal idiot. I just play one on TV.) > hm. Well, if Mr. Eliot won't kill me for proposing it... ... I'll be willing to make the mini-adventure of getting into the Dark Ampitheatre and -out again- my first attempt at a PBEM. Anybody interested, send a starting-level character, New Heaven angel or neo-angel or not-yet-signed-up old-guard Angel to redneck@txdirect.net . I've got a busy few days coming up, but I'll try to get Eli, Yves and Novalis written up.... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:15:42 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Symphony's End The Other Chris suggests; > > >What happens to the Symphony when the orchestra stops playing? > > The orchestra is still playing, the songwriter has just left the building. > But for how long? Most of the texts I have access to refer to God as the > source of all light and life. Once he has left the building, the music > should stop. > I raised this because I was reading the DV page, and suddenly flashed on > an image of the Angels and Demons battling away in a universe that was > running down, and falling apart around them. Life begins to cease (not It IS a fun idea, isn't it? Not necessarily so much from God being gone, but with the unchecked Celestials out roaming freely doing things like spending Essence and singing Songs and whatnot...how much Disturbance can the Symphony TAKE, before it starts to have an effect? Personally, I've been of late rather liking the idea of the Symphony as meaning something a little more than an annoyance to PCs who want to spend a point of Essence or break a bottle without giving away what they are... {Well, or break a human.} As the game stands, the Symphony is MOSTLY just a game-mechanic gimmick on why they have to be careful about supernatural effects... (I've also been giving a lot of thought about the full implications of Demons being so much `removed' from the Symphony as they are.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:54:13 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >I'd expect that the north west populations wouldn't change too much. >There's a lot of timber, wheat, and cattle up there. It's all broken up >into (relatively) small communities. Also there are a lot of indian >reservations up there. Makes me wonder what kind of etherial activity >there is. Pretty minor- last I looked, the whole Northwest outside of the Cascades was really, really empty. (Montana has, what, 600,000 people in the whole state?) With the old system of supply and transport breaking down, it'll be harder for farmers or ranchers to live without becoming self-sufficient, and not many will make that transition. And let's not forget the Wild Things wandering around... ^_- >Volcanic activity, at it's extreem would probably only account for 20% of >the population. Yes, but with it ongoing, how will the remainder live? With the earthquakes, what's left standing? I don't even know if Boise or Helena is still around, although I doubt Cheyenne is. >>Redneck (perhaps this Telegraph Road is a tether?) >> >That'd be one big tether. It's a pretty long road. It's a pretty long song, too, and a cool one. (I like Dire Straits... ^_-) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:26:47 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >>CELESTIALED >> >>Budapest >>(all of Romania) > > Geographical note. Budapest is actually in the middle of Hungary, about >300 miles from Romania's sound alike capital Bucharest. If the destruction >of Budapest affected Romania, it would have nuked Hungary and the >Translyvania region, long a contested area between the two, although >presently it's within Romanian borders. Presmise note: you are jumping to conclusions. }:-{D 'Celestialed' means destroyed through the actions of Celestials, not necessarily through battles between them. Romania's depopulation is not an effect of Budapest's destruction. Saminga took out Budapest personally, then proceeded eastward. It suited his fancy to fill Transylvania with vampires, and they spread out looking for food- hence- little or nothing left in Romania (Transylvania is in northwest Romania, IIRC). Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:15:10 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast >>Los Angeles is now Los Angeles Bay, all the way back to the former San >>Andreas Fault. >> >That must have been one big mother of a bomb. It was pretty big, and it hit the right place at the right time. Also, there was tetonic activity all -over- the world- it's one of the Signs, you know, 'earthquakes and disasters in divers places' and so forth. The bomb just formed the final trigger to something already ready to go. >>Most of the land between the fault and the ocean from San Francisco Bay down >>to Los Angeles forms one long island now- the fault has opened up into a >>long sea inlet named San Andreas Sound. >> >I would suggest lengthening the bay in Mexico upward toward and maybe past >San Diego. Actually, my concept was to have it be two sounds - San Andreas Sound north of LA, California Sound south of LA. Baja Island is the obvious name for the southern isle, but the huge northern one still hasn't revealed its name to me. >>The oceanside parts of San Diego and Tiajuana were liquified by the >>earthquakes and irradiated by the bomb blast from Los Angeles. They're >>toast. The same for virtually every oceanside city south of Sausalito- >>landslides and liquefaction pretty much dumped them into the sea. >> >Well, liquification won't cause it to slide into the sea. It *will* rip >apart and sink everything on the surface though. > >However, all you have to do is lower the elevatoin of the western portion >by 100 feet and you'll put all of the flat areas under water. Note that >the highests spots in Orange County (just south of L.A.) that isn't >actually in the hills/mountains is 96 feet. That combined with >liquification (since it would *then* have a good chance of washing away >with the water) sould scoop out all of the coastal non-hill areas up to SF. Pretty much what I meant. >Most construction on the hills would be damaged but some may surviv intact. > Those built on the mountains themselves would only be moderatly damaged. Bwah? Are these the same 'million dollar houses hanging off stilts' houses I'm thinking of? >*Then* there would be the brush fires. > >The L.A. Bay will be full of small islands. L.A. actually flows around a >mountain. There's a chain of mountains just north of town, but I wasn't aware of a mountain actually dead in the middle of town. (Then again, the one time I went there I was over by the Farmer's Market and CBS Television City, and didn't see much...) >>The tetonic action has rippled up and down the Americas, re-activating >>dormant volcanoes up and down the Pacific rim. Earthquakes are still dying >>down from the Last Battle, and most of the volcanoes are still smoking- >>those that aren't exploding ash and lava all over the place. >> >With all that happening, I figure that 80% of the California population >would be killed by "natural" causes. 20% in New Mexico, Nevada and >Arizona. Colorado, when that dam breaks.... 40% in Oregon, 60% in >Washington, 50% in Idaho, 20% in Montana. Colorado state is in little immediate danger from earthquake hazards from the California seaboard, even Force Ten... same with New Mexico. The Southwest in general just becomes harder to live in. >Note that these are simply immediate losses due to the geologic and nuclear >activity. Many places will be depopulated due to lack of resources. Most >of California gets its water piped in from the Colorado river and the rest >relies on well water. The water lines won't survive and the well water >comes from under the flat lands that have just been overrun by the sea.... > >New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada are going to have water problems as well. > Yep. Santa Fe is just barely going to be self-sustaining, as is El Paso, but with much reduced populations. Phoenix, Albequerque, Tuscon... they'll all likely be deserted. And the Imperial Valley in southern California will be underwater. Death Valley will become the Great Salton Bay. >>The West Coast is -not- the place to be.... >> >The northern parts shouldn't be too bad but the southern parts are going to >be unlivable without a source of fresh water. > There's -hundreds- of dormant volcanoes up and down the coast from Washington down to North California. There will be plenty of trouble for the coastal cities up that way, to be sure. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:29:54 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast >>Los Angeles is now Los Angeles Bay, all the way back to the former San >>Andreas Fault. >> >Except for that island for Kurt Russel to escape from in a couple of >decades? :) > No. Redneck (Escape from Philadelphia doesn't have the same ring) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:28:32 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >> >> >>Why? Besides radiation, what drove people away from Detroit? Why did it >>become unfeasible? >>> >>>Portland, OR: The city itself has been abandoned, but fortified towns along >>>the Willamette are doing fairly well in a return to feudalism. >>> >>What drove people away from Portland? Earthquakes? Volcano? >> >>On these last two, I'd really like to hear the answers- sounds like you have >>something in mind... }:-{D >> >>Redneck > > >Ever read a book called "WarDay"? No. Never heard of it before. What does it have to do with Portland and Detroit? Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:47:19 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast > There's -hundreds- of dormant volcanoes up and down the coast from > Washington down to North California. I would just like to remind you of the New Madrid Fault in the Midwest. The last time that puppy had a big quake, the Mississippi ran backwards and the next one should be bigger. I know that you nuked St. Louis and Chicago, so even if the Ol' Miss isn't zapped by the quake, the water will _not_ be good to drink. This will radically change how the heartland comes through your scenario. > Redneck Oops da Ogre, just reminding you that California isn't the only fault zone mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:36:52 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After > Well, if Mr. Eliot won't kill me for proposing it... Hey - it's your world. *I* say suicide run's the best way to do it, but if you think it can be done another way... > ... I'll be willing to make the mini-adventure of getting into the > Dark Ampitheatre and -out again- my first attempt at a PBEM. > > Anybody interested, send a starting-level character, New Heaven > angel or neo-angel or not-yet-signed-up old-guard Angel to > redneck@txdirect.net . I've got a busy few days coming up, but I'll > try to get Eli, Yves and Novalis written up.... Well, I'm interested, though I know if I did it, I'd be tempted to play the suicide. Is this a long term game, or a one-shot? (as if I don't have enough on my plate...Uriel is coming, but I think I'll wait for the Ampitheater to explode before I send him out.) Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com In the fourth grade, Mrs. Watkins gave me a D in Mathematics. I was not a happy camper. Now she's a blood thirsty demon from the seventh plane of hell, and I have a Mini gun with 2000 rounds of HESH ammo. Mrs. Watkins...Class is back in session. - Heavy Ordinance (http://members.iquest.net/~ericg/games/heavy.html) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:49:15 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Cities After the Apocalypse >>>It depends on whether or not North Korea wants to take Seoul intact. My view of the war is that North Korea focused its weapons on South Korea's military forces along the DMZ and left the city relatively untouched.<<< Highly unlikely. Even North Korea knows it will lose a war, and it's only (slim) hope is devastating South Korea so fast they can't mount any resistance. Their strategy verges on kamikaze....if war breaks out, Seoul is gone. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:49:13 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> New IN Campaign >>>As I was reminded before, the ranking 'baron' is about as high as the PC system will let you climb before it loses relevancy. A Baron has, from the few examples I've seen, a minimum of 15 forces. They're very learned and very powerful.<<< Well, actually there's no "minimum" Force level for any ranking. A 15-Force demon might have NO distinctions, and a Prince could make a 7-Force scrub a Baron if he wants to. (Might be the sort of thing Kobal does once in a while..."It's the annual 'Crown that Imp' contest!") But yeah, I would normally say a Duke is someone who can squish PCs without making the GM roll dice, and it's unlikely a demon with much less than 15 Forces would survive long as a Baron... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:05:52 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After >Well, I'm interested, though I know if I did it, I'd be tempted >to play the suicide. Is this a long term game, or a one-shot? Depends on how well I can get it to work. >(as if I don't have enough on my plate...Uriel is coming, but I >think I'll wait for the Ampitheater to explode before I send him >out.) Right-o. I do know that if I continue it, it will continue groundside, with the group making their way from Texas up to Boston by land. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:02:54 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast >> There's -hundreds- of dormant volcanoes up and down the coast from >> Washington down to North California. > >I would just like to remind you of the New Madrid Fault in the Midwest. >The last time that puppy had a big quake, the Mississippi ran backwards >and the next one should be bigger. I know that you nuked St. Louis and >Chicago, so even if the Ol' Miss isn't zapped by the quake, the water >will _not_ be good to drink. This will radically change how the >heartland comes through your scenario. I didn't nuke St. Louis. And without the Chicago-Vincennes Waterway to link them, Lake Michigan water does not mix with the Mississippi. However, there's a fairly large new lake running fom Arkansas up to Iowa. A fairly narrow lake, with a wide spot in the middle. St. Louis isn't nuked, it's -underwater.- Redneck (I haven't forgotten about the New Madrid fault at all, Oops };-{D ) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:15:17 -0500 From: "Steven Ehrbar" Subject: IN> [DV] M!ch!gan! - -- This is my take on DV Michigan. It is not "official" or endorsed by Redneck Gaijin. At least not *yet* :-). -- THE BIG PICTURE The state government was mostly destroyed, and Lansing is abandoned. Dertoit is a smoking pit, and horrors roam the burnt remains of the Detroit Metro Area. Travel from Lake Erie to Lake St. Clair is impossible, the Mackinac Bridge lies under the waves kicked up by the Freshwater Serpent, and the Soo Locks are wholly destroyed. But a Soldier of God is now the Governor, and she leads a small section of the state from the mostly-unharmed city of Saginaw. The forces of the Michigan Militia now (mostly) fight for humanity, peace, and order against Infernal and human marauders. Food and fresh water are relatively common, and a significant ammount of heavy industry (including the all-important tool and die shops) survived. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO DETROIT? Detroit was Celestialed. Detroit was, before Armageddon, a Demonic stronghold -- and Windsor (the Canadian city across the Detroit River) was in the wings of the Angels. When Armageddon came, the two compliments of Celestials tore into each other, devastating the core of the area. The Demons won, of course, the remains of the Renissance Center becoming a Tether to Saminga. In the face of Saminga's servants, humans abandoned the Detroit area. Now the nearest communities to old Detroit are the walled cities of Jackson (to the West), Chatham (Ontario, to the East), Flint (to the northwest), Port Huron (to the northeast) and Toledo (to the south). THE STATE GOVERNMENT OF MICHIGAN The Tri-Cities (Bay City, Saginaw, and Midland) escaped Armageddon relatively unscathed, and Saginaw serves as the temporary capital of the state. The State Secretary of State was in Saginaw when Lansing was devestated, and she is now the Governor. She was a Soldier of God in service to an angel of David, and has recently been contacted by a Seraph of Lucifer. The Seraph saw how busy she was putting the government back together, but still occasionally visits to give her advice. Due to the wording of several provisions of the Michigan Constitution, the Governor was able to legally reorganize the entire executive branch and appoint new department heads and a new State Supreme Court without legislative approval. She has mobilized the National Guard and State Police, and regularly consults with a council of religious, buisness, militia, and political leaders. Most legislation is enacted through county and city governments, as the Governor wants everybody to be assured that constitutional government will be maintained. She has, however, taken "emergency" control of federal property, agencies, and perosnnel "until the Federal Government is *legally* restored". She did appoint two Senators and sent them to Boston -- where they were refused office. Since then, the Governor has sent them to Texas to talk about restoring a national government. Actual state power extends about fifteen miles outside of the triangle of the Tri-Cities, mostly because of the support for the Governor shown by the local chapters of the heavily-armed Michigan Militia. Flint also recognizes the state government in Saginaw, although it is mostly too busy holding itself together to do anything about it. OTHER MICHIGAN CITIES Adrian: A citadel city between Jackson and Toledo. A model of the smaller city/urban area just big enough to have survived so far. Alpena: Inhabited city-state, with sporadic over-lake contact with Bay City. The government has seized all the modern technology it can, and has gathered it in the city center. Battle Creek: Burn! Burn! Burn! A group of Belial's demons burned Battle Creek as part of one of Kobal's plans for Armageddon. And then Gabriel found them, and burned them. Battle Creek is a smoking ruin. Benton Harbor: Disastered. Tidal waves in Lake Michigan caused by the nuclear explosion in Chicago destroyed much of the area. Cadillac: Out in the middle of nowhere, Cadillac is having a difficult time maintaining any significant degree of industrial society. Fortunately, its walls are strong, water is plentiful, and the soil is rich. Escanaba: The New Church of Poseidon rules Escanaba. Ruled by High Priestess Amber, the city offers regular sacrifices of grain, animals, and even modern technology to Poseidon and the Freshwater Serpent (which is seen by the Cult as Poseidon's representative on Earth). The priests take 25% of the offerings, and then cast the resst into the sea each Tuesday (now called Neptunia). Flint: Inhabited. Large numbers of refugees from Detroit have caused severe problems, including several near-riots and gang fights. The local infrastructure is strained, and several attacks from the south have come near to taking the city. The refugees are largely moving north to the Tri-Cities. Grand Rapids: The largest surviving city in Michigan, it has become a fascist stronghold in the hands of the opportuntistic General John Smith (a false name and title). Holland: Holland has accepted the rule of Grand Rapids's General John Smith, rather than risk a war. Ironwood: A small, isolated city-state barely hanging on. Jackson: Jackson is walled and paranoid. Jackson State Prison was opened by persons or Celstials unknown, and the area surrounding the city's walls is full of these hardened criminals. You can only get into Jackson if you can show pre-Apocalypse identification proving residency, or have a shipper's license from the City Council. Kalamazoo: A fairly standard mid-sized city-state. Lansing: Disastered -- multiple powerful tornadoes. The state government was virtually wiped out. Marquette: A fairly powerful, albeit localized, earthquake rocked Marquette -- and a localized section of the crust sunk about 750 feet. The new Marquette Bay is dotted with dozens of perfect deep-water harbors -- and nobody to use them. Menominee: Combined with Marinette, Wisconsin to form a city allied in confederation with Green Bay Monroe: Abandoned. The population fled to Toledo. Mount Pleasant: Abandoned. A college town without the resources to practically fortify, the population has taken refuge in Midland. The state government/Michigan Militia converted a CMU dorm into an outlying garrison. Muskegon: Inhabited and independent. Portions of I-96 and US-31 were destroyed by the Muskegon Confederation's government to prevent an invasion from Grand Rapids or Holland. Niles: Abandoned. Most inhabitants fled across the border to Indiana for saftey in numbers. Owosso: A Fundamentalist-ruled city-state, Owosso has transformed itself into a fortress city. The Reverend John Richardson controls the city with an iron fist, and teaches that the "New Jerussalem" will descend onto Owosso and the inhabitants, if they remain pure of heart and deed, will become the Elect. Port Huron: Inhabited, has formed confederation with Sarnia across the St. Clair River. Small outlying fortressess have been built across I-94 at Adair and on the St. Clair River at Marine City to protect the cities from attacks from Detroit. It is now the seat of Detroit's Archbishop/Cardinal, who had been visiting one of his churches here when Aramgeddon began. He has refused to recognize any of the claimants to the title of "Pope", on the grounds that none were elected by the College of Cardinals. Sault Ste. Marie: Disastered when the sleeping Ethereal Paul Bunyan awoke and dug his way out from under the ground with his blue ox Babe. Bunyan then ran off to Canada's Northwest Territory, leaving an utterly devastated city behind him. Traverse City: Vapula released another one of his bioengineering products in Grand Traverse Bay -- gargantuan carnivorous turtles. Although significantly less successful than the velociraptors, the highly intelligent "demon turtles" have besieged Traverse City. It's still holding on, but food and supplies are getting scarce (although there's a lot of turtle meat). - -- Steven E. Ehrbar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:27:47 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology At 11:23 AM 10/30/97 -0600, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology > >I asked my father about this. He's studied Biblical Hebrew. He said: > > "Elohim" is of course a plural noun, and is sometimes used to > refer to "divine ones" in a heavenly court. See for example > Ps. 8:6; Ps. 97:8. The term is also applied to single gods > other than Yahweh. So the use of "elohim" for a choir of angels > would fit into Old Testament usage. > >So, apparently, they are just plain "gods," and no one is >particularly excited about it. We need not look for truncations >of other phrases, or whatnot. Yes and no. Elohim _does_ mean "Gods", and hence could refer to pagan gods and other _gods_. However, it isn't used to refer to angels, unless you mean _Elohiyim_ ("Godly"), in which case it can very well refer to angelic choirs. - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 06:18:07 -0500 From: dwood@skipjack.bluecrab.org Subject: Re: IN> New IN Campaign Quoth "Keith Phemister" on 10/31/97 1:00 AM... >I'm starting a new IN campaign and have made some of the big general >decisions. It's set in Sacramento CA, Having a starting city is usually a good thing... > Dominic and Asmodeus have placed >very powerful, trusted lieutenants in charge of swaying the political arena >of the most populous state in the Union to either Divine or Infernal >designs. A campaign based in the muddled politics of humanity sounds like a good idea. The one part I question is Dominic and Asmodeus. While their words pertain to some limited degree to human wrongdoing and the persecution thereof, they tend to concern themselves more with the actions of celestials. The former sometimes happens, but they concentrate more on the latter. May I suggest that for not only maximum cat-and-mouse action, and confusion in deep philosophy, you use instead servitors of Yves and Kronos. They are much more concerned with the lives of humanity, and can create much more intertwined plots. It sounds like in any case, you really need a copy of _Heaven_and_Hell_. > I have a couple of story seeds in mind, I just need some help >with one thing. How powerful should I make the Lieutenants to the AA and >DP. As Redneck said, follow the guidelines in the book; Baron is as high as you should go unless Sacramento really calls for greater degrees of influence. I could see more powerful agents at work in, say, Washington DC, but Sacramento? Don't go much higher than Baron. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:37:53 -0500 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Celestial Genesis From: Emily Dresner >It is stated (the rulebook, I believe) that there are many more demons then angels down in hell, most of which are never seen. So where did they all come from? According to the fun pamphlet we're given when we walk out of GM school, it says that only 1/3rd of the host Fell originally, and of those, not many of the original Fallen are left. Yet now they outnumber angels by a wide margin. Where did they come from?< There is always the solution given in the Revelation roleplaying game that the angels are the ones that rebelled against Lucifer when he started making up what God told him to have the Heavenly Host do. [In that Lucifer wants to exterminate humanity because they are made in the image of god and he isn't] Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> New IN Campaign > Well, actually there's no "minimum" Force level for any ranking. A 15-Force > demon might have NO distinctions, and a Prince could make a 7-Force scrub a > Baron if he wants to. (Might be the sort of thing Kobal does once in a > while..."It's the annual 'Crown that Imp' contest!") > > But yeah, I would normally say a Duke is someone who can squish PCs without > making the GM roll dice, and it's unlikely a demon with much less than 15 > Forces would survive long as a Baron... > > -David > I made one Duke, built him out of 21 forces, and I'm wondering if that is enough. I may have to beef him up some before next session. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:04:05 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Genesis > From: Emily Dresner > >It is stated (the rulebook, I believe) that there are many more demons > then angels down in hell, most of which are never seen. So where did they > all come from? According to the fun pamphlet we're given when we walk out > of GM school, it says that only 1/3rd of the host Fell originally, and of > those, not many of the original Fallen are left. Yet now they outnumber > angels by a wide margin. Where did they come from?< > > There is always the solution given in the Revelation roleplaying game that > the angels are the ones that rebelled against Lucifer when he started > making up what God told him to have the Heavenly Host do. [In that Lucifer > wants to exterminate humanity because they are made in the image of god and > he isn't] I'm sorry, I don't know the reference. Can you expand on it a bit? - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:03:44 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology Ijon Tichy wrote: > Yes and no. Elohim _does_ mean "Gods", and hence could refer to > pagan gods and other _gods_. However, it isn't used to refer to > angels, unless you mean _Elohiyim_ ("Godly"), in which case it > can very well refer to angelic choirs. Okay, you are probably in a better position to check out the original Hebrew than I am. You might try looking up Psalms 8:5, which says, in the NIV translation, "You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [or "than God"] and crowned him with glory and honor." This sounds like they're dithering over how to translate "Elohim." The KJV and Darby translations say "the angels," the RSV and NASB say "God," and the YLT says "Godhead." Psalm 97:7,9 says "worship him, all you gods!" and "you are exalted far above all gods" in the NIV. Once again, the KJV and Darby also say "gods," as do the NASB, YLT, and RSV. (The alphabet soup is names of English Bible translations. KJV = "King James Version," NASB = "New American Standard Bible," NIV = "New International Version," and YLT is "Young's Literal Translation.") These verses are comparing God to the pagan gods, while the previous verse is not, so it will be interesting to see if they are using the same word or not. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:57:19 -0500 From: The Other Chris Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Symphony's End Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > This is off-the-cuff memory spurred by free association, > so please be lenient. > > Earl > > Unified Field Theory Significant and Enduring Theme Number 4: The Infinite Humans once believed that God's love moved the planets and the stars. In their quest for the nature of God's love, humans learned that the conspiracy of certain forces, to which they gave names like gravitation, momentum and equilibrium, was actually responsible for the movement of the planets and stars. Ultimately, everything in the physical universe derived energy from the motion of sub-atomic particles. In the year that human designated as 1927, an Earth human named Heisenberg articulated a principle that held, essentially, that the motion of sub-atomic particles was random and unpredictable. God's love moved the sub-atomic particles. From "Superman:Last Son of Krypton" by Elliot S.Maggin I think I might write up my "breakdown of reality" as a sort of DV fanfic. It's probably the only way I'm going to be able to get that image out of my system. Dunno what I'm going to call it though. Really Dark Victory? Extremely Dark Victory? So-Dark-You-Can't-Even-See-That-It's-Dark Victory? Hmmm.... TOC Archangel of Sarcasm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:54:47 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] M!ch!gan! >-- This is my take on DV Michigan. It is not "official" or endorsed >by Redneck Gaijin. At least not *yet* :-). -- > I'll wait on comment on the core part of this before I say yea or nay on it. As for all the cities... *whistle* That's a lot of cities. Are all of these bigger than 100,000 people pre-Apocalypse? How much of the Michigan Militia went with the state government, and how much with General Smith? Who -is- General Smith anyway? How are all these cities getting supplied with food, fuel, electricity, replacement ammunition, manufactured goods? Was Lansing's disaster coincidence? Waiting for comments... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:42:35 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> New IN Campaign > Quoth "Keith Phemister" on 10/31/97 1:00 AM... > I have a couple of story seeds in mind, I just need some help >with one thing. How powerful should I make the Lieutenants to the AA and >DP. My suggestion'd be to build them up with Resources more than Forces. In effect, assume that, as they `gained CPs', they spent them on things like Servants, Roles (especially given their purpose here...), Attunements, etc, but may still be in the 15-18 Force range (which'll be reasonably tough, but not impossible.) The other point I'd make is that you said you want the PCs to interact with them "eventually"...so why define them completely now? Presumably they have, say, some Knights under them that the PCs can run into long before, and you can test out how the group does against an 11-Force Distinctioned Celestial, say, then try 'em on a 12-Force Word-Bound who hasn't gotten such a rank yet (probably due to snotty behavior), etc., until you know how strong your particular group actually plays out as and can specifically set the Dukes as something that, directly confronted, ought to Traumatise at least a couple (or lose the group several Forces, if it's Celestial), but can be overcome... ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #451 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.