From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Sat Nov 8 01:59:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09359 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:59:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA26072 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:29:19 -0600 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:29:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199711080729.BAA26072@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #462 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, November 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 462 In this digest: Re: IN> Kyrio Telegraph Re: IN> Canon question (was: About Shedim) Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Re: IN> Stuff and Bother Re: IN> [DV] Virginia after the Apocalypse Re: IN> Kyrio Telegraph Re: IN> whoops IN> Ho the Frotling! Re: IN> Stuff and Bother Re: IN> Stuff and Bother IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #461 Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Re: IN> Gypsy Demons IN> [DV] Kronos, Demon Prince of Fate IN> [DV] Eli, Archangel of Creation IN> Ok, Valefor it is... Re: IN> Kyrio Telegraph ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:52:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio Telegraph At 5:44 PM +1100 11/7/97, Peter Frederick wrote: >Dear List > >over the last few sessions the two Kyrios in my FTF campaign have developed >what has become referred to as the Kyrio Telegraph. It started from them >wanting to keep track of several things at once and so possessing several >pigeons and having them positioned at certain places or follow certain >people. When the players split up the Kyrios would keep a pigeon with each >group, as much as possible. Clever of them... (Kyrios, the pigeon patrol!) We use mice. Easier to keep them in a pocket, and they're usually in little cages for when the Kyrio really needs the Force. Our KoJ usually takes over the car radio, or a cel-phone, or whatever... >planchet or a handy phone. The latest development is that several angels >are obtaining small electronic organisers, with keyboards, on which the >pigeons can tap out text messages. Dang, we shoulda thought of that. Gotta have my character suggest that next game. She needs brownie points with Jean anyway. And then there's the funky trick I thought up for Force Catchers, in the Libram Reliquarium (aka "Relics"). Not telling yet. But it's sweet. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:57:39 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Canon question (was: About Shedim) At 6:42 PM -0500 11/5/97, Pee Kitty wrote: >On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Michael C. Nutt wrote: > >> Anyway, according to p.152, Shedim manifest in their celestial forms when >> leaving a host,[...] > >Okay, when a Shedim just leaves a host without getting into a new one, he >goes Celestial, makes a big ripple, and can be spotted. That's a >nobrainer. > >BUT, when a Shedim just possesses another host while still in a human >body; i.e., jumps into another mundane; is it visible? Does it cause a >ripple? Basically, does the Shedim go celestial, THEN jump into a new >host, or does he leap from host to host without actually being Celestial? >If the former, does that mean it takes two actions, or one? Canon on that is in minor flux, but looks to be stabilizing as: "A Shedite can 'jump' from one host to another without going celestial in-between." More detail will be gone into in the Infernal Player's Guide. (Since Kyrios can do it, it was deemed that it was unfair to Shedim not to manage it.) Whether they wind up celestial if they "bounce" off a strong- Willed host, or not, is still in flux. I think it may be leaning to "no, only if they went celestial for some daft reason of their own," but don't quote me yet. (Yes, I know about p. 152. It *IMPLIES STRONGLY* that Shedim must go celestial between hosts, but does not *state* that. All it *states* is that the Shedite *may* go celestial, at will, and may then look for another host. It doesn't say he can't swap hosts without going celestial.) At 10:08 PM +0000 11/5/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> BUT, when a Shedim just possesses another host while still in a >> human body; i.e., jumps into another mundane; is it visible? Does it >> cause a ripple? Basically, does the Shedim go celestial, THEN jump >> into a new host, or does he leap from host to host without actually >> being Celestial? If the former, does that mean it takes two actions, >> or one? > >Okay - I don't profess to know or influence canon (except maybe, if >Beth can be bribed) but this is my take on it. Bribes? Maybe. Generally, not, though -- you have to bribe me, and Scott, and SJ. >How's that look, Beth? It fixes the Kyrio/Shedim evasion problem >nicely, I think - if you're Celestial (or have Celestial Light) you >can hit the Kyrio/Shedim as it's coming out, and again if it doesn't >get in... You can use it as a house rule, fine... I don't think it's going to quite be canoned at the moment though -- according to the APG (no, it's not out yet) a Kyrio possession takes a round in a combat situation, and doesn't require the Kyrio to be vunerable to celestial attacks or make disturbance. Shedim will probably be following close to that, so that they aren't (more) underpowered compared to their divine analogs. At 7:03 PM -0500 11/6/97, Pee Kitty wrote: >On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> What we've been working with is that you can skip between >> hosts without going celestial in-between with no Disturbance. >> This May Change, but it's official for now. (One action, btw) > >That's what I thought. > >Okay, do YOU have any idea on how to stop a Shedim in a crowded room then? > About the same way that you stop a Kyrio of Jean in Radio Shack... Run. (Sleepy gas is about the best way, yes. If they're out for some 30 minutes, so is the Shedite. This is fun if you have a handy angelic Tether.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:38:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons At 7:37 PM -0200 11/7/97, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would >suit them better?? Valefor, from the reputation they had... Always on the move, supposedly thieves and con artists... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:36:46 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would >suit them better?? > Valefor, perhaps Malphas as well. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lonnie Foster Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would > suit them better?? Without a doubt, I'd have to go with Valefor. The Roma have traditionally been regarded as thieves and wanderers, and the Prince of Theft is certainly interested in both stealing and in the nomadic lifestyle. Valefor's heavenly counterpart, Janus, is also an ideal patron for gypsies, for the same reasons. This could lead to "good" and "evil" tribes of gypsies who don't necessarily get along with each other. Then again, considering that Janus and Valefor are likely to be the same individual, the Roma are probably having few internal problems at all. They tend to be a very close-knit group, anyhow, much more likely to support other Roma than they are to trust outsiders. <*> Lonnie Foster http://pobox.com/~tribble Give me ambiguity, or give me something else. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:07:39 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Stuff and Bother >> Okay, how about this: the 'Liberated Republic of Michigan,' centered in the >> U. P. and moving slowly down the lower peninsula? Guerilla strikes and >> beasties keep the various little city-states of the lower P from >> communicating well and wreak havoc with the growing of food. >> > >Er... um.... I lived in the UP, dude. Do you know what's up there? > >Deer. Beer. Fish. Lots of snow. > >Marquette? It's tiny. > I just flashed on a mental picture of a bunch of the kids from Michigan Tech trying to take over Michigan. Though, they might actually be able to pull it off. If they stay sober long enough. >> It is my understanding that a Servitor of Saminga designs the highways while >> a Servitor of Kobal designs the driver's ed. }:-{D >> >No... that's a servitor of Haagenti. >You never met my Driver's Ed Teacher. > >*shiver* > Hmmm.... My Drivers Ed. teacher was my only positive driving experience in MI. He must have been a lone Bright Soldier fighting from inside the Hellish system. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:05:59 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Virginia after the Apocalypse >Even without the actual physical existance of D.C., I still think it would >be an important place, if not just for the fact that it was formerly the >home of the capital of the most powerful country in the world. It would >make great propaganda and morale to have your side (whichever side that may >be) rebuild/reclaim it. Maybe. The problem is, what side -can- reclaim it? 'President' Johnston of the Northeastern States of America will have his claws full with either Canada or Pennsylvania, I have -no- idea what Baltimore is doing, and it'll be quite some time before the neo-Confeds can finish chewing on Richmond. That leaves your lunatic army corps and their commander (an army -must- have a commander) to tromp merrily on the remains. On the other hand, with the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel waxed by terrorists, the -site- of Washington becomes important, with the routes for several major rail lines and highways running through its ruins. *IF* any major governing power expands north or south across that area, they will have to deal with retaking and rebuilding the ruins so they can reestablish the lines of transport through the area. > >Actually, I had this mental image of a fanatical corps of leftover >soldiers, determined not to rest until they take back their capital of >their country...and eventually succeeding, due to lack of opponents. The >blitzkrieg back into DeeCee, blow a hapless looter or demon or two, then >realize they've won. Yeah. Now what? They look around confused, then >realize, just south of them, there's a possibility of a new country >forming...and there's lots of chaos up north. How can anyone else be The >True U.S. (tm) (c) (r) without Washington?! Time to go back to war, boys! > Goodie. Where do they get fresh muntions from? >I wasn't thinking of The Leviathan, but just a big sea monster-esque >creature bioenhanced by Vapula. "Hey, I wonder if I take the cruise >missile tubes from this sunk boomer, and add it to a big ass whale, then >combine it with Nessie...hmmm...now how can I get fire breath?" Ah, well, you should have said. }:-{D > >>Lexington was overrun by demons? What's up with that? > >VMI was a tether to Michael. AAAAH. That explains it, yes, I should have known. > >>Other than these little bits, I wholeheartedly approve and endorse. It's in. > >Cool! Thanks. I plan on writing up some NPCs when I actually have my >books on me, then posting them and possibly a revised version (taking into >account nitpicks and suggestions from others) of VA later. Just out of >curiousity, is Athena going to show up anywhere in DV? I haven't touched the Etherials as yet, since I don't have The Marches or money to buy it. Also, my myth is pretty much limited to 'Bullfinch's Mythology' and other odds and ends, so I've deliberately offered it to anyone interested in crafting it. The only guide I'll put on that is; virtually all the Etherials stayed out of Armageddeon, hiding themselves from the unopposed demonic occupying forces in the Marches. However, desperate people are reviving a lot of the old religions, and the Norse, Shinto, Buddhist, Roman and Greek mythoses will be particularly potent in the DV universe... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:14:53 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio Telegraph At 02:16 AM 11/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Dear List >> >>over the last few sessions the two Kyrios in my FTF campaign have developed >>what has become referred to as the Kyrio Telegraph. It started from them >>wanting to keep track of several things at once and so possessing several >>pigeons and having them positioned at certain places or follow certain >>people. When the players split up the Kyrios would keep a pigeon with each >>group, as much as possible. >> >>This allowed messages to be sent between the groups instantaneously, or as >>fast as the pigeon hosts could convey them, originally by scratching them in >>the dirt and in a couple of instances by the use of ouija boards. Since one >>of the Kyrios is a Servitor of Jean he often possesses the Ouija board's >>planchet or a handy phone. The latest development is that several angels >>are obtaining small electronic organisers, with keyboards, on which the >>pigeons can tap out text messages. >> >>Just thought someone might be interested, thanking you for your indulgence. >> >It's a neat idea. The only problems with this might be that it's not >reliable for periods of over, say, six days, more usually shorter. > There's always more pidgeons.... >Also, what are the Kyrios getting out of it, roleplay-wise? > >"So, Staniel, what d'ya think we should do now?" "Chirp chirp." > Remember that that's not all the character or player is doing. If the group is split up, then he's taking his normal actions with his part of the group and doing a little bit of stuff with the group that has the pidgeon. He actually has *more* to do than the rest of the people in his group who are sitting there not doing anything. Also, it wouldn't be much of a problem with a Kyrio of Eli. "What, you've never seen a pidgeon with lips?" Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:25:29 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> whoops At 12:45 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >one person sent me a request for the Celtic gods file, but i mistakenly >deleted his email address before sending to him... if you wanted it, but >haven't gotten it yet, please resend your request to me in private >email... > That may have been me. I can't remember. BTW, I sent that list of books to that girl in Australia but haven't heard back yet. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:30:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Wilmoth Subject: IN> Ho the Frotling! - -Being a guide to Demonlings hastily penned by OhDearLordDon'tEatMe, formerly in service to Haagenti. Though short and extraordinarily uninformative for any serious biological discussion, it has the advantage of Existing, in contrast to any other works on the subject. FROTLING: any random collection of parts that professes to be a demonling. Shedim without the redeeming values. GREMLIN: a humanoid demonling that doesn't actually rsemble a small 'demon' (red skin, horns, tail, etc). Usually interchangeable with the term used for servants of Vapula, as they tend to have manipulative digits that actually work- rare in other classes- and are thus appropriated by said Dread Lord but Obviously not as Dread as Haagenti in huge numbers to work on machinery. GRUB: A basically animalike demonling. Tend to be more edible than most. Usually in the form of worms, snakes, bats, and other handsome fauna. Obviously the finest and highest form of demonling. IMP: a humanoid 'demon' demonling. Note that no demonlings, despite the continuined effort of various Dread Lords, bears any close resemblance to humans, unless it's a VERY dark alleyway (and the viewer is blind). SNOT: any mobile pile apparently composed of bodily fluids and excreta. Often confused with 'frotling'. Rule of Thumb: it may look like a frotling, but it's snot. SQUICK: a demonling that you can't... *quite*... look at without hurting yourself. Generally have the best shot at becoming Princes, they say. No, no, I meant 'Dread Lords', Dread Lord, I'mSorryDon'tEATM- - -End of parchment fragment. Astute readers will no doubt be able to divine the type of demonling our author formerly consisted of... James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:46:14 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Stuff and Bother At 01:44 PM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/30/97 9:07:11 AM, A. Yeager wrote: > >>Based on this, Saminga would leave Detroit alone ("Land of the 90 mph >>Bumper-to Bumper Rush Hour!") Being an Ohio transplant both awed >>and terrified of Michigan driving habits, I am convinced that Kobal >>and Saminga are co-operators of the Michigan driver's license bureau. > >My Mom's Michigan D.L. test was as follows (ca. 1969): > >"Get in the Car. Start it." >"OK, good. Drive to that Pylon up there." >"Great. Now back up to your starting point." >"Wonderful. You pass." > >That's it. If that wasn't designed by Kobal, I'm not sure what was. > Here's the scary thing about the Michigan D.L. I got mine right out of drivers ed and didn't have to take a driving test. The written test was a joke as well. Ten questions; the hardest one was probably: You see a stop sign, what do you do? You get most of them right just by picking the longest answer and passing on the completely stupid answers. The truly scary thing about those tests is that some people actually fail them. I use to hate driving in Michigan. Right turns from the left lane, vice versa and a flashing turn signal simply means it works. Argh! Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:59:08 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Stuff and Bother >> Personally, being the Marc supporter that I am, I think it would be >> interesting for his battle climax to have been there, but (as >> brilliant as DV is, Redneck), my little IN monitor has gone back to >> the "halogen" setting... > >*tries to imagine the final battle going down in Farmington Hills* > >"But, but, I have, like, a hair out of place, okay?" > Just goes to show that Michigan fashions are still ten years behind the times. Valley is *so* out. >> >> > Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph >> > Road, nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." > >> Based on this, Saminga would leave Detroit alone ("Land of the 90 mph >> Bumper-to Bumper Rush Hour!") Being an Ohio transplant both awed >> and terrified of Michigan driving habits, I am convinced that Kobal >> and Saminga are co-operators of the Michigan driver's license bureau. > >Oh, yes, the Lodge. Me, I'm always fond of US-23. *roll eyes* > >You would be right about your assessment of the driving conditions. I >found it *easier* to drive out in California. > Yep. L.A. itself is only slightly better but most everywhere else, the hard drivers tests and Darwinism has filtered out the most incompetent drivers. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 02:09:31 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #461 At 17:45 07/11/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:01:04 -0200 >From: Andre Ribeiro >Subject: IN> Ophis, The First Lilim (Looong...!) > >Dear IN folks, > Ok, here is my first character contribution to this list. It >*is* a bit whacky, but I couldn't stop writing it and now I got to post >it. *Please* send in your flames, comments and, if possible, >congratulations... > I'll take the third option ;-) I liked that a lot, Andre. Thanks. >Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:37:28 -0200 >From: Andre Ribeiro >Subject: IN> Gypsy Demons > > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would >suit them better?? > This is probably very unpolitically correct but I'd say Valefor, without a doubt. He is associated with the constantly travelling theme, and gypsies don't have too many qualms about stealing from gaje, as far as I can tell (thats certainly their reputation). jo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 00:29:51 -0500 From: John Dye Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons Andre Ribeiro wrote: > > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... > If you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would > suit them better?? > > Andre, D.P. Obvious? Valfor. Thief, moving, easy match ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:49:49 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Gypsy Demons > Folks, I need some input here... No, it's more an opinion... If > you'd involve the gypsies with demons - which Demon Prince would > suit them better?? That's kinda like asking what DP the Italians would serve. Gypsies aren't the carefree wanderers they tend to be portrayed as. That said, the stereotypical gypsie fits Valefor to a T. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:19:14 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Kronos, Demon Prince of Fate (Resending this for Archangel Beth, who I guess missed it last time.) KRONOS, DARK PRINCE OF FATE The World is sliding towards the Pit; all it needs is one more little shove. Kronos is the only remaining member of Hell with a direct tie to the Symphony, and he passes this connection on to his Servitors. When he Fell, however, his first sense of the universe's Fate was his own. Kronos' Fate, which he believes to be unavoidable, is that he shall end his existence in Hell, alone. Kronos has accepted his Fate- what else could he do?- as being inevitable. However, he has determined that if he is going to end his days in defeat, he will take as much of he can of the goodness and potential light of the world and plunge it into the same dark depths he is bound for. Kronos has been very, very good at this job, and Armageddeon itself is considered to be his finest accomplishment, though all the Princes had a hand in it. Today, he commands the remaining organized armed forces of Hell- primarily Asmodeus' and Baal's former Servitors- as well as his old Servitors. He acts as Viceroy of Occupied Heaven and pro tempore ruler of Hades until a new Demon Prince may be named to fully replace Asmodeus. (Lucifer installed a Wordbound demon, the Demon of Subjugation, to do this, but as of yet he has not been granted the power of a Prince.) In effect, Kronos runs the day-to-day operations of all Hell, since Saminga has no interest in it. Whereas Saminga rules by threat of power, Kronos holds a more insiduous grip over lesser demons. He is second in power after Saminga, though not by terribly much if Saminga lost the Granite Throne, and he does not bother to ask Saminga about chastizing or eliminating disobedient or troublesome demons anywhere in Hell. Kronos is livid that Yves lives, and even more furious that Lucifer Redeemed. Where Yves sees Lucifer as holding the Destiny of Creation in his hands, Kronos sees Lucifer as the Fate of the world, and it is a sharp betrayal in Kronos' eyes to have such a dark Power become Light again. He is New Heaven's most implacable enemy, and only the fact that he has no ambition for rulership of Hell stays his hand now. (stats listed only as they differ from the IN Rulebook) RELATIONS Kronos is, for the most part, aloof from the politics of Hell. He has gone on record as neither supporting nor hindering any attempt at overthrow over Saminga- 'If Saminga is Fated to rule, he shall rule. If he is Fated to fall, he shall fall. It is not for me to interfere.' Malphas has given up completely on trying to manipulate him, not realizing that in some ways Kronos is subtly manipulating -him- for maximum chaos. Haagenti mocks him as before, irking the old Balseraph as much as ever. He ignores the rest as nonentities, all eventually Fated to join him in the Void... ALLIED: None ASSOCIATED: Malphas HOSTILE: Haagenti ENEMY: None CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 3 As acting commander of all Hell's forces, Kronos is more active than before, trying to shift all of Creation that much more into its Fate. As such, any demon under Kronos' command may attempt to summon him... but he still keeps a special attention for his chosen Servitors. INVOCATION MODIFIERS add: - -3 if summoner is not a Servitor of Fate - --- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:15:39 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Eli, Archangel of Creation Of the elder Seraphim who had once sat by the hundreds in the Council Spires and voted in the Seraphim Council, only seven could be found. Of the thirteen Archangels who had also sat and voted in that Council, only Eli, Yves, Gabriel, Novalis and Marc remained. Novalis and Marc could no longer be considered Archangels, and Gabriel retained her rank more through courtesy than through actual power. To this number, four new Superiors had been added; Lucifer, the Redeemed Seraph Archangel of Light; Lilith, the First Woman, the Demon Princess of Freedom; Nybbas, formerly the Demon Prince of the Media, now claiming to be an Impudite Archangel of Communications; and Andrealphus, whose only tenuous claim to respectability was his claim of the title 'Archangel of Lust.' Still, though the room was the meeting room of the Mr. Gatti's on the Drag, and though there were only fourteen angels (or eleven angels and three 'neo-angels') instead of the hundreds, it was still a meeting of the Seraphim Council, and as such there were protocols to meet. Fourteen chairs lined two of the restraunt's long tables; behind each chair stood a Celestial in human form, looking at each other uncomfortably. The reason for the discomfort lay in the fifteenth chair, at the head of the table. In the making of the world, when even the oldest of those present were young and blissfully naiive, Lucifer had been elected the first head of the Seraphim Council. After the First Fall, the place of Chairman, or President, or Speaker (the exact Word has no English equivalent) was left vacant by Michael, as a reminder of both the loss Heaven had suffered and the reasons for their struggle through the ages. Now, standing by the head of the table, Lucifer, the being who by ancient right still held the office of Speaker, eyed that chair with a quiet, calculating expression. The thirteen other Celestials watched him warily, waiting with bated breath to see what would happen. "Eli," Lucifer said, softly, not looking at the Mercurian sitting at the far end of the tables. Eli jerked up in surprise. This was the first meeting of anything like the Seraphim Council he'd attended in over a century. Now, as before, he sat in the position of least importance on the Council, a frivolous Mercurian among Heaven's most holy. "Bwah?" Lucifer drew the chair out at the head of the table, then moved to stand at the chair beside the place of honor. "I don't deserve the honor anymore, Eli. I believe the place is yours." "Exqueeze me?" Eli blinked. "I'm a Mercurian, not a Seraph." "True enough," Lucifer nodded. "However, you are the greatest among us. You alone kept the true faith through the end days and persevered even after the Battle. Of all of us here, you have done the most to earn the position." "I concur with the Lightbringer," Elchior, one of the elder Seraphim, nodded. "Eli has earned the position." "I agree as well," said Amadiel. "I propose we put it to a vote. Does any speak against Eli's investiture as... ah...." Amadiel flustered. "I forget, what is the mortal word?" "Speaker will do," Yves smiled. "Thank you, Eldest," Amadiel smiled. "Does any speak against Eli's investitutre as Speaker for the Seraphim Council?" "I DO!!" Eli gasped. "I'm no good for the job, I'm lazy, I'm irresponsible, I'm a total nut- ask anybody who knows me!! I'm a slacker, a flake, totally disconnected with reality, living in the realm of rainbows and happy little pixies!! I'm completely un-right for the job!" "Your objection is noted, Eli," Amadiel nodded. "Does any other speak against Eli- besides Eli?" Andrealphus leaned forward, smiling his self-assured, self-absorbed smile. "I -was- going to, just on principle," he chuckled, "but any job Eli wants out of so badly should be perfect for him." "Your... opinion... is noted, Andrealphus," Amadiel nodded. "Are there any others who object to Eli's investiture?" None of the others spoke. Amadiel looked around, nodded, and said to Eli, "Archangel Eli, Mercurian of Creation, the Seraphim Council has named you its Speaker. Do you accept the position?" Every eye, even Gabriel's glowering stare, turn towards Eli. Sighing, he muttered, "Do I have a choice?" He moved along the table behind the others, mumbling an apology to a couple of Serapim as he missed his balance and bumped into them, finally making his way to the head of the table. Lucifer stood to his left; Yves stood at his right, smiling with a trifle more amusement than inscrutability could account for. "Ah... you... may be seated?" Eli said timidly, looking around the table. The other Celestials quickly took their seats, leaving Eli to follow suit a moment later. He shifted in the chair uncomfortably; it wasn't any different than any of the restraunt's other chairs, but its position made it a lot more uncomfortable by far. Eli's Corporeal vessel stood inches taller than most of the other angels here, but he had the distinct feeling of being the youngest Reliever caught staring out from the parapet of Blandine's Tower. The twenty-six eyes staring up at him weren't helping his stomach. Lucifer smiled wryly as he commented, "I think perhaps this is a historic moment. For the first time in its history, a Mercurian sits at the head of the Seraphim Council." His smile broadened as he said, "Perhaps we should rename it the Mercurians Council." "Lord, oh my Creator," Eli sighed, leaning forward to hold his head in his hands, "please deliver this cup from my lips." "You'll do well," Yves smiled. "Somehow I'm not reassured," Eli sighed. "Okay, if I'm in charge, my first order of business is to have someone go get the waitress. If we're going to discuss strategy, I want something to occupy my taste buds -and- my mind." * * * * * The world is creation, the application of will against entropy, constantly reshaping itself into a new and more beautiful thing. Eli is not, in any sense of the word, a happy camper. He's gone in the space of a few weeks from being a clueless, irresponsible, half-Remnant suffering from self-inflicted amnesia to the responsible, upstanding de facto leader of the New Heaven. As a career move, he ranks it right up there with Assistant Technician's Mate Third Class, Garbage Collector, or Mafia Snitch. Still, his inner sense of right and wrong refuses to let him ditch responsibility again. Before Armageddeon, he was supporting his aspect of God's Plan the best way he could- by going in among the humans and encouraging them, inspiring them, and thoroughly immersing himself into their society. Now, in order to carry out his part of the Plan, he had to become a model Archangel, or as close as he could manage, and then he had to use his Mercurian talent for interpersonal politics to hold the uneasy coalition of angels and Renegade demons together. Eli's giving his remaining Servitors a *lot* more to do. His instruction to them all is no longer, 'Do what thou wilt, but be cool,' but, 'Do what I ask, then do what thou wilt, but do no evil.' His Servitors are now New Heaven's hardest working party animals, encouraging humanity to keep dreaming, keep imagining, keep -creating-... and so often, so very often, they're busy creating themselves, rearming New Heaven with talismans and reliquiaries, finding new ways to restore civilization and its benefits to the people, and seeking new ways to help Heaven and Earth recover from the horrors of the Last Battle. (Stats included only as they differ from the IN Rulebook.) CHOIR/BAND ATTUNEMENTS BALSERAPHS - Balseraphs of Eli may, by using one Essence for every five minutes of use, create a glamour of light, a holographic image of sorts, in which they can display anything which they themselves have thought of- or believe they have thought of. DJINN - Whereas Cherubim of Creation may tell -who- created an object, a Djinn of Creation may tell what purpose the object's creator had in mind for it, if any. This attunement is virtually useless on mass-produced items, but possibly very useful for hand-crafted items, especially relics. CALABIM - Like Eli's Malakim, Calabim of Creation are creative fighters; their destructive Resonance is turned towards the most creative way to injure their opponent. On any successful attack roll with a check digit of 5 or 6 (excepting Diabolic Interventions), they may make a Resonance roll to make a Critical Strike, adding the successful Check Digit to Damage dealt - -above- the initial hit! However, Eli's Calabim are unique among his Servitors- they are subject to Dissonance, if they use their innate Resonance to destroy anything which is totally unique. HABBALIM - Share Attunements with Eli's Elohim. LILIM - May add their Etherial Forces to any attempt to Geas a victim into an act of creation. IMPUDITES - Share Attunements with Eli's Mercurians. DISTINCTIONS - Eli -still- doesn't offer Distinctions, even now. (This hasn't changed from the IN Rulebook, but it bears emphasizing.) RELATIONS Eli wants to be best buds with everyone; after all, it'd only be one step past that to having everyone 'best buds' with him. Still, the people he has to work with sometimes drive him to distraction; Lucifer keeps deferring to his judgement, always changing his stance to suit Eli's will; Yves just plays the Silent Supporter; Andrealphus has no interest in patching the old rivalry between the two Superiors; Gabriel isn't on speaking terms with him; Nybbas is so eager to play nice it's frightening; and Lilith is, well, just - -Lilith.- Still, Eli manages to act as the glue holding New Heaven together, sometimes with an uncertain hand, occasionally with a reluctantly clenched fist. ALLIED: Lucifer, Yves ASSOCIATED: Nybbas, Lilith HOSTILE: Andrealphus BASE CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 0 Eli may be summoned by any Servant of New Heaven, but for those not directly his Servitors he may have only a moment to consult with them. His Servitors may get a slightly longer hearing, but he'll still be a bit distracted and hurried... with the weight of all Heaven's hopes on his shoulders, he's a very busy Archangels... INVOCATION MODIFIERS add: +3 Invoker is a Servitor of Creation --- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 04:22:19 -0200 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: IN> Ok, Valefor it is... Yeah, it was pretty obvious, but I had to be sure... Valefor *is* the demon Prince of the gypsies... Thank you for the input... Andre, D.P. P.S. : Hey, what about Ophis?!?1?! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:49:48 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio Telegraph > >"So, Staniel, what d'ya think we should do now?" "Chirp chirp." > > > Remember that that's not all the character or player is doing. If > the group is split up, then he's taking his normal actions with his > part of the group and doing a little bit of stuff with the group > that has the pidgeon. He actually has *more* to do than the rest of > the people in his group who are sitting there not doing anything. There is actually a lot of the Kyrio multitasking going on with my character. Fortunately, it makes sure that I know where everybody is. Unfortunately, it's because my Kyrio is a semi-paranoid sumbitch... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #462 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.