From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Dec 22 13:59:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28600 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:59:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA05541 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:48:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:48:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199712221948.NAA05541@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #529 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, December 22 1997 Volume 01 : Number 529 In this digest: Re: IN> vampires Re: IN> Re:Angelic Players' Guide Re: Bright Lilim of Trade Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #5 Fluff (Re: Forces (Re: IN> Other Vessel Questions)) Re: Funky Vessels (Re: IN> Other Vessel Questions) Re: IN> Sex, Lies & Balseraphs Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) Re: IN> In Nomine questions Triads and such (Re: IN> Is it as easy as it seems to make Servitor of Fire) Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: IN> Demons calling card (OT) Re: IN> Re:Angelic Players' Guide Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) Re: IN> Demons calling card (OT) Re: IN> Australia: Pointing the bone of contention IN> [Fluff] (Holiday fluff) Re: IN> Non-Canon alternate Body Hits Re: IN> Merry Christmas Re: IN> Malakim & Lilim Re: IN> In Nomine questions Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) IN> Azrael Re: IN> Sex, Lies & Balseraphs IN> Song of Stability Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: IN> Song of Stability Re: IN> Demons calling card (OT) IN> Question about Gabriels Malakim attunement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:51:52 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> vampires > Now, thinking about it some more, there is a way to improve > vampires without really disturbing game balance (I think). The > only reasonable change I can think of is to allow them 6 forces > instead of 5. Well, I already gave a couple of suggestions, but here they are again: 1) Give them an extra force (like you said). 2) Give them some or all of the points from their discords. 3) Give them the attunement Vampiric Kiss automatically, in addition to other attunements. If this is too powerful for you, you can make this the *only* way they can get essence - to get the V:tM feel, make it so they can do it on an unwilling victim, but loose one essence at daybreak. Of course, you can apply any or all of these only to specific vampires (PC vampires might be a good choice). Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "Five seconds later, I'm getting the upside of 15Kv across the nipples. (These ambulance guys sure know how to party)." - BOFH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:10:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re:Angelic Players' Guide At 6:15 PM -0500 12/18/97, MarkDEddy wrote: >In a message dated 12/18/97 2:42:19 PM, tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: >Yes, the APG is out. I've had my copy for just under a week now. It went >from "at the publishers" to "released" on the Website about two weeks ago. >WotC's Game Center ordered it for me. I was waiting for the official "it's >out" email from Beth or John Karakesh (sp?) or David Edelstein before I said >anything. Anything that you've *bought* from a *store* and hold in your hot little hands is fair game for comments, reviews, and whatnot. Unless you're living somewhere in the future, in which case I'd like a copy of stuff so I can find the typos and errata and fix them before it's printed. [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:13:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Bright Lilim of Trade Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #5 At 8:44 AM +0000 12/19/97, Patrick Chester wrote: >> I think Marc might take Lilim but would >> force dissonance on them if they didn't inform a victim of precisely what >> the geas would be used for when it was created, and give them the choice of >> whether to take the deal or not. > >So maybe a Bright Lilim of Trade would be forced to put a geas on >herself which would define limitations on what she could do with a >given geas? Would that work? I'd think so. ("You promise to owe me a favor, and I promise it will only be invoked to do something from [x] to [y], 'kay?") Of course, unfair trades hit them with dissonance anyway... But any Lilim could self-Geas conditions on her Geases... [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:40:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fluff (Re: Forces (Re: IN> Other Vessel Questions)) At 10:41 PM +0000 12/17/97, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> >Oh, fine. Now they tell me... >> > >> >(I'm playing a Kyriotate of War with 2 Celestial Forces. Lets just >> >say finding new hosts is a pain...) [...] >She follows the basic concept of a lot of my characters. Screw >yourself, and beat the GM to the punch... Lessee, two characters with amnesia, and a Renegade Lilim with 9 *years* worth of Geases upon her. (Yes, from weeks to years.) I'd say I understand the concept, yeah... (And I've seriously considered doing a Reliever of Judgment at one point.) Hm. I wonder if I've managed any *more* In Nomine "toast the character before the GM does" tricks... Anyone else? [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:00:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Funky Vessels (Re: IN> Other Vessel Questions) At 12:06 PM -0500 12/18/97, Thomas Davidson wrote: >On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Kevin Walsh wrote: >>>At 2:29 PM +0000 12/16/97, Hart, Joanna wrote: >>>>>Servitors of Andrealphus >>>>>probably have complete control over certain bits of anatomy -- and >>>>>may have extra muscle-groups for more, ah, precise control! >>>> >>>>Ditto for servitors of Beleth... >>> >>>*They* have *teeth*. In odd places. >> >>Shouldn't that cost them character points? I can see it now, Numinous >>Corpus: Vagina Dentata. > >Ah! I've been scarred for life! I don't think *scarred* covers it... (Hey, I watched Wicked City (without subbing *or* dubbing, even!). I remember the spider lady. *snicksnick*) Definitely demons there. And... um, lots of adult stuff. [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:57:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sex, Lies & Balseraphs At 9:59 AM -0500 12/18/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > Oooooh, an interesting thought just occured to >me. What if, really, really, really deep down there >was a Balseraph that DID want to Redeem? [...] And then there's the GM snickering as the Bal rolls 111 for a resonance roll. "Okay, you believe that you want to Redeem. The person you're talking to believes it. The duration that your personal truths last has passed. You still want to Redeem." Oops. O;> (111/666 rolls on resonance rolls are... interesting. Our Seraph got a 666 resonance roll once. She was cut off entirely from the Symphony for several hours, we decided. Nothing. The Song of Thunder still affected her, though.) [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:54:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) At 9:45 AM -0500 12/18/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> As soon as possible, pick up the APG, which has a discussion about >> Malakim and evil and stuff... > > I heartily second that! The APG is chock full of stuff >on all the choirs and other things. Despite the name, it's >probably more useful for GMs than players (though players won't >lose out by getting it!) It's pretty darn useful for all and sundry, I think... >> On APG49, "A *temporary* alliance that offers an opportunity to >> erase greater evil is acceptable." (Just don't hang around afters, >> if you're a demon.) "If a Malakite is forced to choose *which* of >> 2 evils will escape, he earns no dissonance for choosing the lesser!" > > Aaaaaaah! Page references! I want my copy! Aaaaah! O;) Our local bookstore got its copies in, and we bought one... };) [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:21:18 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine questions At 11:31 AM -0500 12/21/97, Richard L. Thomas wrote: > 1) The In Nomine rule book states that choir attunements can not be used >by other choirs if that attunement depends on the choirs ressonance. What >if the Choirs ressonance can be duplicated? For example, can a Malakite of >Dreams with the Cherub of Dreams attunement automatically enter the >dreamscape of someone who he has used the celestial song of attraction on? I would say this is a GM-call. (IOW, I'll think about it, since I can see both pro and con right now...) > 2) Servants of Gabriel know their specific targets on sight but do they >know what the act of cruelty is/was? Who it was done to? When it was >done? What about losing site of their quarry. Can they always locate >their targets after identifying them? [...] GM call on all of them, but *AS A GM*... #1: I'd probably give at least some details of "what" #2: I'd let them have at least a general description of "who" ("a business partner," "a homeless drunk," etc.) #3: I'd give something like "recently" or "in the distant past" #4: I'd say no -- private detective is a good Role to have, as are Songs of Attraction! [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:53:25 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Triads and such (Re: IN> Is it as easy as it seems to make Servitor of Fire) At 2:30 PM +0000 12/18/97, Hart, Joanna wrote: >>Just like a doctor (or, >>from Dommie's POV, a vet) must inflict pain for the greater >>good of the patient, sometimes Dominic's agents might have >>to do the occasional bit of damage. [...] [...] >Still, they do act in the knowledge that when they put another angel to the >question, it will have a fair chance to present any mitigating circumstances >and if it is truly innocent then it needn't be afraid. My feeling is that >the composition of any triad is: a seraph & a cherub (as per book) and the >third member is always of the same choir as the accused, in order that they >might fairly judge what 'a reasonable member of that choir' would have done >in the circumstances. That way you can guarantee that an angel will always >be judged by at least one of their own. Yeah, I can see this, as "routine" (not *always*, but the very most common). When it's a Cherub or Seraph under investigation, then the third of the triad is likely a Malakite (for dissonance) of Ofanite (for Discord). (Elohim are also useful, of course...) Of course, we have triads who drop into an area, do a tour checking up on everyone in the city, and then go away again -- those have their third as the most generally useful. (Usually an Elohite; there's an Elohite of Creation that they're specifically keeping an eye on, and Elohim can usually spot a proto-Habbie...) [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:44:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) At 11:27 PM -0500 12/17/97, Casca wrote: >On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Neon Genisis Evangelion, which is Illuminated and has a really >> cool opening themesong thing.) > >Eva is coolness incarnate. The only problem is finding it subbed, rather >than dubbed. (Dubbed anime is the work of the Antichrist.) Suncoast Video can special order the subbed stuff... (And this is true. The only dubbed stuff I can stand is Tenchi and Ranma, and even then, we *prefer* the subbed stuff!) >> Dirty Pair is one of the "plot? what plot? who needs a plot?" sort, >> often, but is still really really cool. (Kei and Yuri, special ops >> with Jinx.) > >Project EDEN was rather intellectual, for a DP movie. Mmmmm. Was that the one where they were stopping in the middle of the plot to take a bath? >Speaking of DP, ever since I wrote Lovely Angels of the Wind I've been >supressing a dark urge to do up stats for Keiel and Yuriel. Should I >continue to listen to my better judgement, or should I succumb -- nay, >-dive- into temptation? Dive. >>Dominion Tank Police is much much fun, and only gets a little >>plot-weird towards the end. > >Ghost in the Shell. Run, do not walk, to your video store and rent it. >Watch it multiple times. > >It's -that- good. (It's that *artsy*. :-p) Watch Armatage III instead; it's got most of the same concepts and Armatage has more attitude and fan- service! (Well, watch GitS as well, but I'd rent it first.) And then we've got Oh My Goddess!, which is probably nigh unto the closest In Nomine/Anime crossover that one can get without doing it oneself. [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:28:11 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) >At 11:27 PM -0500 12/17/97, Casca wrote: >>On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>Ghost in the Shell. Run, do not walk, to your video store and rent it. >>Watch it multiple times. >> >>It's -that- good. > >(It's that *artsy*. :-p) Watch Armatage III instead; it's >got most of the same concepts and Armatage has more attitude and fan- >service! (Well, watch GitS as well, but I'd rent it first.) Armitage, feh. I was bored to death with that show, and the Godawful Manga Entertainment 'Outdoing Carl Macek' dubs don't help. GitS is one of the few examples where the dub doesn't quite manage to totally kill the movie. >And then we've got Oh My Goddess!, which is probably nigh unto the >closest In Nomine/Anime crossover that one can get without doing it >oneself. I dunno... look at 'Devilman' and take the protagonist as a high-level Shedite trying to Redeem... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1986 21:52:04 -0800 From: "Derek Colanduno" Subject: Re: IN> Demons calling card (OT) >Word 6.66 -- Word Processor of The Beast > >i66686 -- CPU of The Beast > >666i -- BMW of The Beast > >DSM-666 (revised) -- Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of The Beast 664 - Neighbor of the Beast... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:17:37 -0500 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Re:Angelic Players' Guide - ---------- > From: Elizabeth McCoy > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: IN> Re:Angelic Players' Guide > Date: Sunday, December 21, 1997 7:10 PM > > At 6:15 PM -0500 12/18/97, MarkDEddy wrote: > >In a message dated 12/18/97 2:42:19 PM, tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > > >Yes, the APG is out. I've had my copy for just under a week now. It went > >from "at the publishers" to "released" on the Website about two weeks ago. > >WotC's Game Center ordered it for me. I was waiting for the official "it's > >out" email from Beth or John Karakesh (sp?) or David Edelstein before I said > >anything. > > Anything that you've *bought* from a *store* and hold in your > hot little hands is fair game for comments, reviews, and whatnot. > Okay, you asked for it. . . :) (But could you wait until after I've had a chance to read it through? Jeez, I just got it yesterday!) :) > Unless you're living somewhere in the future, in which case > I'd like a copy of stuff so I can find the typos and errata > and fix them before it's printed. > But wouldn't that create a time paradox? Or is that impossible for the AA of Archives/DP of Line Editing? :) > > [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997] > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor > GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > Oh, darnit. Well, you'll be missed. . . But have a good time. Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, The Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, The Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:20:15 -0500 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) - ---------- > From: Elizabeth McCoy > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) > Date: Sunday, December 21, 1997 6:54 PM > > >> On APG49, "A *temporary* alliance that offers an opportunity to > >> erase greater evil is acceptable." (Just don't hang around afters, > >> if you're a demon.) "If a Malakite is forced to choose *which* of > >> 2 evils will escape, he earns no dissonance for choosing the lesser!" > > > > Aaaaaaah! Page references! I want my copy! Aaaaah! O;) > > Our local bookstore got its copies in, and we bought one... };) > You're the LE for this nifty volume, and you had to *buy* a copy? Wow. :) Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, The Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, The Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:48:31 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Demons calling card (OT) >>Word 6.66 -- Word Processor of The Beast >> >>i66686 -- CPU of The Beast >> >>666i -- BMW of The Beast >> >>DSM-666 (revised) -- Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of The Beast > > >664 - Neighbor of the Beast... > Ginsu 666,000 - the TV Offer of the Beast 66.6 MPH - the Freeway Speed Limit of the Beast 6:66 6:66 6:66 - the Blinking VCR Clock of the Beast Nintendo 6664 - the Video Game Console of the Beast 666th Street - the Nightclub Strip of the Beast Zoning Ordinance 666.0666 - the Deed Restriction of the Beast Warp 6.66 - the Cruising Speed of the Beast 6661 Cygni - the G-type Star of the Beast et 666tera - the Really Overworked Joke of the Beast Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:02:01 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Australia: Pointing the bone of contention Evan Wrote > On the subject of Tethers and the real world places they attach, >here are some suggestions for Aussieland. > ***Lots of Way cool stuff snipped, for brevity only > >:) >Evan >Hoping other Aussies got contributions for their area... Nice stuff, if I have cause to start another Sydney based campaign I would be happy to use any, however to mention a couple of others I did include in my camapign. Paddy's Market in Flemington is an obvious Tether to Marc. A produce, crafts and wares market for nearly as long as the city has been around, fought off destruction through a strong stall holders association and now rebuilt with an additional four floors of modern retail outlets above it. The Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation facility at Lucas Heights. Obviously a temple to dark forces of Technology. Nice to see another Aussie on the List. Regards, Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:39:09 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> [Fluff] (Holiday fluff) Olympic Games In an attempt to influence the members of the international Olympic committee on their choice of venue for the games in the year 2004, the organisers of Shal-Mari's bid have already drawn up an itinerary and schedule of events. A copy has been leaked and is reproduced below. Opening Ceremony: The Olympic Flame will be ignited by a calabite of fire throwing a petrol bomb into Prince Asmodeus' favourite casino. The calabite will be hoist on a pole above the stadium and will remain alight for the duration of the games. Events to include: 100m Sprint: Competitors must hold a camcorder in one hand and maintain a running commentary throughout. On the sound of the starting pistol, a pack of hellhounds will be released from a cage behind the athletes. 100m Hurdles As above, but with added obstacles (pools of blood, ambulances, mortal casualties, paparazzi etc.) Hammer Competitors in this event may choose the type of hammer they wish to use (claw , sledge etc.) the winner will be the one who can cause the most grievous bodily harm to spectators within the time allowed. Gymnastics: Individual apparatus awards for: (Ladies): Floor, science lab, kitchen table and farmyard. (Modern Rhythmic) Ribbon, rope, handcuffs & egg-beater. (Mens): Rings, razors, operating theatre, morgue. (Team Event): To be announced. Fencing: Entrants will be asked to dispose of as much stolen silver and jewellery as possible in 5 mins. Modern Pentathlon: Competitors take part in five events. Mugging, Plagiarism, Arson, Joyriding and Witty Political Commentary. Cycling Time Trials: Competitors must break into a locked bicycle shed, steal a bike belonging to a servitor of lightning and make a clean getaway. Cycling Pursuit: As above except that the bike belongs to a cherub of the sword who witnesses the theft. (mine)Field Hockey: Competitors in teams of fifteen will play on an especially prepared pitch, pre-planted with landmines. The team with the most survivors wins. Swimming: Competitors will be fitted with concrete boots and tossed into the Styx. The first three survivors back will decide the medals. Closing Ceremony: The closing ceremony will feature formation headbanging from the Hardcore anti-drugs display team, synchronised rock throwing and music from the Shal-Mari community gospel choir. The flame will be extinguished by an accurate volley of oxygen suppressant capsules from the broadcasting tower of the Tartarus Labs (VIPs are advised to evacuate the area at least an hour in advance) and the stadium will be boarded up to prevent local athletes from making off with the copper piping. jo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:56:02 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Non-Canon alternate Body Hits > > My only dig with this is the low actual number of hits. The above system > assumes that an un-Dodged punch (Power = -3) does 1 point of damage. Since > that Power = -3 is one of my pet peeves with the system, I bump up that > Power to 0- which assumed that an average un-Dodged punch will do 3 points > of damage. Oh, certainly! This was specifically designed for the current damages. Although a not-unbalancing way to solve the 'no damage' problem is to put the minimum damage at 1 rather than 0. You still ain't doing _much_ damage but at least some is getting through! ;) > Also, I disagree with normal humans becoming 'popcorn shrimp' in comparison > to Angels or even Soldiers. I'd assume that all Humans come with a level of > Toughness, but the possibility could exist for that level to be lost. (How > -that- happens in game mechanics I don't know, but serious wounds, traumatic > experiences, drug addiction, debilitating illness, all of those could reduce > a person's resilience easily.) Interesting thought, must ponder this... - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:01:37 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Merry Christmas > > I hate to say it, but you're in for a nasty shock... Drinking lots of water > will stop you from _dying_ in this heat, but will do bugger-all else... ObIN: > So how long do you think a celestial could last in the middle of a desert in > summer? Hmmmm... My gut feeling is 'indefinitely'. As long they didn't do _stupid_ things (e.g. "I think I'll do my jogging right now!") I've made my celestials pretty immune to most extremes of temperature. I put the comfortable range from 32F to 100F with the no-problem range from 0F to 130F. (Non canon!) ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:05:31 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Malakim & Lilim On Dec 18, 7:31pm, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Malakim & Lilim > > > Well, it says he was the first of the Malakim, and the one that made > > > them pure (Marches, pg 5). That is at least a strong implication for > > > his being the first one to make others. > > > > I guess a better way of putting it is that Uriel was the first > > _Archangel_ to create Malakim. He, himself, was created by God. > > I thought he became a Malakim somewhere down the line - that has been > the implication in more than one bit I have read. Yeah, but my personal take is that he couldn't change himself that much... God had to give that extra bit needed for a new choir to be born. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:17:05 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine questions On Dec 21, 11:31am, Richard L. Thomas wrote: > Subject: IN> In Nomine questions > I have two questions: > > 1) The In Nomine rule book states that choir attunements can not be used > by other choirs if that attunement depends on the choirs ressonance. What > if the Choirs ressonance can be duplicated? For example, can a Malakite of > Dreams with the Cherub of Dreams attunement automatically enter the > dreamscape of someone who he has used the celestial song of attraction on? I'm not exactly sure what you are saying, so I'll just answer a similar question and hope it covers yours! If an attunement requires a _specific_ resonance then only that resonance will do. Any attunement that mentions a resonance, requires an exact resonance (the one for the choir or band it belongs to, natch). Similar resonances are not allowable. For example, the Djinn and Cherub resonances are similar but not sufficient to allow the use of any attunement that requires the other resonance. Songs (or Artifacts, etc) that mimic specific resonances are likewise insufficient. There are examples where a celestial can the exact resonance of another choir (Yves' Masters of Divine knowledge, for example). Note that angels that have this distinction also pick up the dissonance for that choir. This is a good indicator that it is a 'true' duplicate of the resonance. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:24:44 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: Malkakim & Evil (Re: IN> capturing an angel) > >> On APG49, "A *temporary* alliance that offers an opportunity to > >> erase greater evil is acceptable." (Just don't hang around afters, > >> if you're a demon.) "If a Malakite is forced to choose *which* of > >> 2 evils will escape, he earns no dissonance for choosing the lesser!" > > > > Aaaaaaah! Page references! I want my copy! Aaaaah! O;) > > Our local bookstore got its copies in, and we bought one... };) I am, literally, gnashing my teeth as I type. I pontificate! I defenstrate! I, it could even be said, to !!!! Whew, I'm glad I got _that_ off my chest! ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: IN> Azrael Traditionally, Azrael is the name given to the Angel of Death. This is the guy who specializes in Passover and other inventive acts of divine retribution. In Night Music, a brief mention of him is made in the description of What's-his-face, the angel of teenage death, or something. (Admitted, I'm nowhere near my books and frankly, saw no importance in remembering his name or Word.) Anyway, it briefly mentions that he wanted to meet the mysterious angel of death. I'm betting his name is Azrael, but wondering what official In Nomine canon is. (It seemed safe to assume some angels might know.) I'm also wondering if there are any plans to write up Azrael (or whomever) in a future supplement... I've a number of ideas for his (her?) servitors role in the divine symphony. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:31:33 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Sex, Lies & Balseraphs > > Oooooh, an interesting thought just occured to > >me. What if, really, really, really deep down there > >was a Balseraph that DID want to Redeem? [...] > > And then there's the GM snickering as the Bal rolls 111 for > a resonance roll. "Okay, you believe that you want to Redeem. > The person you're talking to believes it. The duration that > your personal truths last has passed. You still want to > Redeem." > > Oops. O;> > AUGH! A fate worse then death! That's horrible! Nonononono! *hide under blankets* I have Balseraphs, ya know. A whole bevy of them. I might even BE one. But the entire concept of my favorite annoyance of the Media one day saying, "You know, babe, heaven might really not be that BAD..." and BELIEVING it permenantly makes my little tiny brain explode. - - Em, who ain't resonanting to redeem any time soon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:33:53 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: IN> Song of Stability I had a great idea for a new song, and am looking for input. Song of Stability (ok, it's a stupid name, offer me a better one!) This corporeal song is ONLY available to Soldiers. It will not work at all for Celestials. Whenever essence is used by a celestial (or anyone else for that matter), a soldier percieving the disturbance may roll against this song to counter the effects, whatever they may be. If the check digit of a successful roll equals or exceeds the essence spent by the Celestial, that Celestial's action is cancelled, but the Celestial's essence is still spent.. As usual, essence expendature on the part of the Soldier may increase the check digit of the roll. Essence cost: 1 Disturbance: the check digit PLUS the disturbance of the action being cancelled. (the resounding clash of the symphony's maleability and stability striking against each other.) Range: any action causing a disturbance percieved by the Soldier can be countered. The idea is this: Angels and Demons often manipulate the symphony to their own ends. They don't belong there, they just try to tip the scales. If those who were an inherent part of the symphony became aware of the symphony (ie Soldiers), would it not be plausible that they may have a slightly different bent on how it works? What if, as Celestials attempt to change the symphony, it becomes possible for humanity to oppose them simply by virtue of belonging to it and demanding "Step off of my reality!"? == --Querent USELESS FACT: Paul Reiser plays the piano in the opening theme of "Mad About You". _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Suncoast Video can special order the subbed stuff... (And this > is true. The only dubbed stuff I can stand is Tenchi and Ranma, and > even then, we *prefer* the subbed stuff!) Ick. Ranma dubs suffer from what I call "Lucy Van Pelt" syndrome: every female character sounds like Lucy from those old "Peanuts" cartoons. > >Project EDEN was rather intellectual, for a DP movie. > > Mmmmm. Was that the one where they were stopping in the middle > of the plot to take a bath? Well, -yes-.....but please note how I qualified my statement. > >Speaking of DP, ever since I wrote Lovely Angels of the Wind I've been > >supressing a dark urge to do up stats for Keiel and Yuriel. Should I > >continue to listen to my better judgement, or should I succumb -- nay, > >-dive- into temptation? > > Dive. One pike-and-a-half with a twist coming up. > >Ghost in the Shell. Run, do not walk, to your video store and rent it. > >Watch it multiple times. > > > >It's -that- good. > > (It's that *artsy*. :-p) True, but artsy in a -good- way. I didn't find it pretentious at all. One of the deepest flims I've seen in a long time. > Watch Armatage III instead; it's > got most of the same concepts and Armatage has more attitude and fan- > service! Isn't that the cyberpunk motto, "Style Over Substance"? > And then we've got Oh My Goddess!, which is probably nigh unto the > closest In Nomine/Anime crossover that one can get without doing it > oneself. I know others have disagreed, but I -still- think Bell-chan is a Bright Lilim. - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:22:56 -0800 From: "Scott Jones" Subject: Re: IN> Song of Stability - -----Original Message----- From: Querent >Song of Stability (ok, it's a stupid name, offer me a better one!) Song of Equalibrium? > >This corporeal song is ONLY available to Soldiers. It will not work >at all for Celestials. I personally like this concept :) >If the check digit of a successful roll equals or exceeds the essence >spent by the Celestial, that Celestial's action is cancelled, but the >Celestial's essence is still spent.. This sounds way to powerful to me. I would suggest making the target number (essence spent + check digit of celestials roll), or something like that. > As usual, essence expendature on >the part of the Soldier may increase the check digit of the roll. >Essence cost: 1 >Disturbance: the check digit PLUS the disturbance of the action being >cancelled. (the resounding clash of the symphony's maleability and >stability striking against each other.) This sounds good. >Range: any action causing a disturbance percieved by the Soldier can >be countered. This is pretty powerful, but I could see it's effectiveness in a game where the P.C.'s are Soldiers. I would not allow this for an N.P.C. soldier personaly. >The idea is this: Angels and Demons often manipulate the symphony to >their own ends. They don't belong there, they just try to tip the >scales. If those who were an inherent part of the symphony became >aware of the symphony (ie Soldiers), would it not be plausible that >they may have a slightly different bent on how it works? I like this concept. Over all, a good idea, but IMO, just a little too powerful. BIZKeT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:34:57 -0800 From: "Scott Jones" Subject: Re: IN> Demons calling card (OT) - -----Original Message----- From: Redneck Gaijin >et 666tera - the Really Overworked Joke of the Beast > >Redneck .66284598752 Pentium chip of the Beast alt.binaries.goat.sacrifice.666 Newsgroup of the Beast 666IZkeT Poster of the Beast :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:39:30 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8yvind_Kvamme?=" Subject: IN> Question about Gabriels Malakim attunement This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD0F19.B4240360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering wether this attunement can be used in Celestial form, = Ethereal form, or can you only use it in Corporeal form. 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