From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Feb 25 00:19:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22534; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:19:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08653 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:21:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:21:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199702250621.AAA08653@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #38 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, February 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 038 In this digest: Numinous Corpus rules question (was Re: IN> Continuing) IN> Lilim Temptations Re: IN> Lilim Temptations Re: IN> "A Story of Lucifer" Re: Calabim, was re:IN>Saints, Calabim and the joys of monotheism Re: IN> Lilim Temptations Re: Calabim, was re:IN>Saints, Calabim and the joys of monotheism IN> [Yet] Another New Song IN> Re: Calabim Re: IN> 2nd Adventure Idea Re: IN> Bodhi's 3rd Adventure Idea IN> Rob Wolff Re: IN> Re: Jesus faked his death IN> Nergal (Pestilence) Re: IN> Saints, Calabim and the joys of monotheism Re: IN> Nergal (Pestilence) Re: IN> Nergal (Pestilence) Re: IN> Nergal IN> A Balseraph's Primer for Paradigm Realignment IN> Impudite Pickup Lines Re: IN> Impudite Pickup Lines Re: IN> Nergal IN> Who's Who In Hell: Sitri, Demon of Homosexuality IN> Re: Sitri, Demon of Homosexuality Knowledge of the Other Side (Re: IN> Lilim) Re: IN> Nergal Re: IN> Calabim IN> Character sheets IN> To Robert Wolff! Re: IN> Character sheets Re: IN> Character sheets Re: IN> Character sheets Re: IN> Character sheets Re: IN> Bodhi's 3rd Adventure Idea Re: IN> Character Sheets Re: IN> Character sheets Re: IN> Calabim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:33:14 -0500 From: Hunter Johnson Subject: Numinous Corpus rules question (was Re: IN> Continuing) On at, 22 Feb 1997 13:03:39 -0600, fish said: > On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Hunter Johnson wrote: >>> Feet (Num.Corp), p. 82: Huh? What does that thing about being able >>> to make multiple attacks mean? I don't see any rules for multiple >>> attacks whatsoever, much less physical ones based on Agility or >>> Precision... >> Physical attacks made with Small or Ranged Weapons are based on >> Precision, but I can't find any Agility attacks either. > Okay, yes, Small and Ranged Weapons use Precision, but the > description only notes that you can attack with 'supernaturally > enhanced hands and feet at once' -- I took this to mean 'Enhanced > with Songs, such as Claws and Feet'. Is this a misread? It says: "You can attack with both supernaturally-augmented feet and hands at the same time...." I take the Numinous Corpus of Feet to be supernaturally-augmented feet. Claws would augment hands, but it is ambiguous whether both have to be augmented or just feet. I can see an interpretation that would allow you to attack with augmented Feet (using Strength normally) and a small weapon (a Precision-based attack using your hands). I'm not sure that this is the correct interpretation, though. > Anyone read the editorial in Pyramid 23? I just got it last night, > and the snipe about long lists of mindless questions and misreads > stung a bit. Oh well. Maybe I'm just I've been accused of rules-lawyering before, too. Just remember, an accusation doesn't always represent the truth. Sometimes people are rules-lawyering for the reasons Scott cited. Sometimes the rules are simply unclear and the intent "obvious" to one player (or GM, or esp. game designer) may not be obvious to everyone else. And sometimes the rules simply don't convey the intent at all; some people will then play by the rules, and others will play by whatever intent they can guess. If the people playing the rules as written notice problems, they'll ask questions, sometimes (esp. if the questions are curt) coming across as rules-lawyers. YMMV. Hunter - -- J. Hunter Johnson /\ Knightmare Chess Development Coordinator http://www.io.com/~jhunterj/ / \ GURPS Errata Coordinator (GEC: /geek/) jhunterj@io.com / () \ Contact kromm@io.com for GURPS Q&A, or /______\ sjgames@io.com for other SJG missives Any background, but GURPS doesn't coddle to any impatience. -- S. John Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:02:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Dawson Subject: IN> Lilim Temptations This is inspired by the "Lies told by Belseraphs," and "Destruction by Calabites." Maybe we can hope to see "Impudite Pickup Lines" down the road? Lilim Temptations(by Prince): Andrealphus: "Hey baby...";) Asmodeous: "I can get you aquitted, and get you a nice little settlement for defamatiuon of character. Yes, I know that caught you red-handed, but it's all taken care of. The cost... oh, I'm sure we can think of some little favor down the road." Baal:"Is that third world dictator still causing you problems? He can be taken care of, Mr. President. A little favor, from my people, to yours." Beleth: "I can drive her crazy, get her commited. You'll be free of her and no one will have to know." Belial: "I could burn that building to the ground for you. You could collect the insurance money and no one wouldhave to know." Haagenti:"You look hungry. Let me get you a little snack." Kobal:"I can pull that little prank for you. It'll be funny, and you can get your friend back for that time they laughed at you." Kronos:"Can I tell you something? I think Fate has great things set in store for you. With my advice, maybe I canhelp you achieve them." Malphas: "I can find out that secret your wife's been hiding from you. No, I'll do it for free. Let's just say you owe me a favor." Nybbas:"So, kid, you want to be a star?" Saminga: "So you want someone, oh how shall we say it, taken care of? That can be arranged." Valefor:" I can get that for you, for a low, low price. How about we just say you owe me a favor?" Vapula: "You want a Klamath processor? Mac OS 8? I can get youa test version day, and you'll be years ahead of the competition. Let's just call it a little favor." I'm mailing this on the way to class,so I'll save the introduction for later, to the point, My name's Mike, I've been lurking on the list since it's inception, and hope to contribute more later. Hope you enjoyed it, Miked. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:10:06 -0500 (EST) From: IQJasonS@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Temptations 1. Great stuff, Mike. 2. Did my list of Balseraph lies *ever* make it to the list? Sent the bloody thing twice... yours, back in this vessel, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:42:49 +0000 From: "J. S. Cardella" Subject: Re: IN> "A Story of Lucifer" > but what did he change in the contract? > any idea's? > Since he is the Lord of Capitals, I think he changed a my to a My, thereby completely reverted the entire contract into His favor. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joel Cardella "Chinese food IS my life" http://www.io.com/~dronf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:18:37 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: Calabim, was re:IN>Saints, Calabim and the joys of monotheism > > Andrealphus- The Kiss of Death: The calabim kisses the subject, > >which causes minor trembling and blushing as capillaries burst and blood > >and certain other fluids erupt through the skin of living targets. > >Inanimate objects would just crumble to dust, I suppose. > > Problem being that this is similar to another attunement Andre offers. Yeah, I noticed that last night when I got home and looked at the book. However, it functions differently enough from the Attunement for my tastes. The two abilities may have the same name in English, but are properly distinct in the Infernal tongue. ;'} (And if all else fails, just rename it the Orgasm From Hell...) > > Asmodeus- The calabim's hand sends forth small chains with hooks > >on the end, which rip small chunks free. > > A Hellraiser fan, I see. That, along with the attunement where you can bind a celestial in chains formed by their own dissonance. > > Kobal- The calabim perhaps pulls out a toonish-looking stick of > >dynamite, or perhaps an anvil falls on the subject. ;'} > > Or a piano or the like. Right. I would say that you could just grab toon and roll on the "Things Falling From the Sky" table... > Kestrel Oops da Ogre, Are the Powers-That-Be cool with sending characters to the mailing list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:20:26 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Temptations > 1. Great stuff, Mike. I concur. > 2. Did my list of Balseraph lies *ever* make it to the list? Sent the bloody > thing twice... I never received it here... > yours, back in this vessel, > -J Oops da "Glitter Twin powers, activate!" Ogre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: IQJasonS@aol.com Subject: Re: Calabim, was re:IN>Saints, Calabim and the joys of monotheism The Ogre gets medieval with the Calabites: > > Asmodeus- The calabim's hand sends forth small chains with hooks > >on the end, which rip small chunks free. > > A Hellraiser fan, I see. I got quite another impression... "GET OVER HERE!" yours, Celestial Kombat?, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:12:41 +0000 From: "J. S. Cardella" Subject: IN> [Yet] Another New Song ====================================================== Song of Ligature The Songs of Ligature affect the sounds and noises of the Corporeal world. They have NO effect on Symphonic disturbances. Corporeal - This Song allows the performer to quiet the sounds in a radius equal to his [Skill*2 in yards] to a gentle pianissimo. This will effectively make a zone of noise equal to a quiet whisper. Anyone within the zone who wishes to hear anything must make a Perception roll, minus the check digit plus the Song level. Anyone outside the zone must make a Perception roll with the modifiers above, plus -1 for each yard away from the zone. It lasts for a number of minutes equal to the check digit. Ethereal - This Song allows the performer to reorchestrate the Symphony. This has the effect of changing one sound into another. A cat could sound like a car, a man could sound like a woman, etc. The performer must state which sound she is modifiying, and what sound she wishes to change it into. One sound may be changed per level of Skill. Once the Song is activated, the sounds cannot be changed into something else unless the Song is performed again. If a character wishes to imitate someone else's voice, she must make an Intelligence roll, modified by the GM as to plausibilty. The Song lasts for a number of minutes equal to the check digit. Celestial - The Celestial Song of Ligature allows the performer to bring a sound to a thundering cresendo. She may choose to affect one sound or all sounds in a radius equal to Skill in yards. This has the effect of projecting sound 10 X Check digit yards farther than it would normally be heard. It will also augument sounds that would normally be masked by other sounds. A car horn would normally drown out a human voice, but not with the Celestial Song of Ligature! If used as an attack, it affects all creatures with hearing in a radius equal to Skill in yards, including the performer! It deafens them for check digit rounds (-2 to all rolls involoving hearing, including combat!) This Song is instantaeous. in effect. Essence Requirement: 1 Degree of Disturbance: Check digit ===================================================== Any thoughts? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joel Cardella "Chinese food IS my life" http://www.io.com/~dronf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:55:48 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: IN> Re: Calabim > > A Hellraiser fan, I see. > > I got quite another impression... > > "GET OVER HERE!" ROTFLMAO! > yours, Celestial Kombat?, That reminds me- Are there any plans to make a Demon (Prince?) of Ice, Lord of Hypothermia? I would suggest Hel for the role. After all, all the dead Norsemen would probably consider the JCI Hell a nice vacation spot, if only they could get their gear back... ;'} > -J Oops da "Snowball's Chance in Hell" Ogre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:02:03 -0500 From: Tim Seiger Subject: Re: IN> 2nd Adventure Idea Well, I haven't spoken up before, because I haven't quite had a chance to finish reading the book yet. But as I read, I get more enticed, and can't wait to start a session. I for one greatly appreciate the adventure ideas you've been posting. Not only do they give me ideas to work with, but some more insight into the game that I don't quite have yet. Thanks, and please, keep the great ideas coming. - -Tim - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed above are not necessarily affiliated with Digital in any way. I am an employee, not a spokesperson. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:27:28 -0500 From: Tim Seiger Subject: Re: IN> Bodhi's 3rd Adventure Idea Wow.... I've been a bit behind on reading the list, since I can't read mail from home very well. But I must say that these adventures keep getting better and better. I wish I had the creative talent that you do. Please, keep up the great work! Thanks, - -Tim - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed above are not necessarily affiliated with Digital in any way. I am an employee, not a spokesperson. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:52:36 GMT From: "Psychedelic Goblin" <942777u@merkland.rgu.ac.uk> Subject: IN> Rob Wolff Blimey, Rob me old mucker! Where in Hell's Teeth do you find the time to write all that stuff? Must be some kind of Celestial I reckon... ;-) Anyway, jolly good stuff, and keep up the good work. Adventure outlines are always preferable to fully fleshed-out scenarios, because a) it uses less bandwidth, and b) nearly everyone tweaks adventures to suit their own needs anyway. cheers - Psygoblin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:54:04 +0000 From: "Robert Wolff" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Jesus faked his death > > 3. Christ was stabbed through the side in a manner in keeping with > > Jewish Torture traditions. The wound is bloody, painful, and you > > actually excrete a certain amount of clear-bloody liquid from a > > ruptured organ (can't remember which or how right now, sorry), but > > you don't die from it by a long shot! It looks messy, and is a great > > scare tactic, but you don't die. Please Forgive me. It should read... "Roman Torture traditions." Sloppy on my part, didn't catch the slip until re-reading somebody else's post. Sorry for the waste of band-width. Sincerely, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:46:31 GMT From: "Psychedelic Goblin" <942777U@merkland.rgu.ac.uk> Subject: IN> Nergal (Pestilence) Just a second call in case anyone missed my first mailing. I'm wiritng up the Demon Prince Nergal, whose word is Pestilence, but I need more information. One of you guys must have some information on him? Pretty please? With sugar on top? cheers - Psygoblin Psychedelic Goblin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 11:55 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Saints, Calabim and the joys of monotheism >I'd say it depends on who the angel is working for. The resonance of >Belial's demons burns its targets, or appears to -- neither flame nor heat >is actually created, that's just the closest that the Symphony can come to >representing the effect. Saminga's Calabim cause materials to rust, rot, >shrink away into nothingness. Nybbas' Calabim . . . er, okay, I don't know >what Nybbas' destroyers do. Anyone? Call in ILM for special effects...? - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 1997 17:15:56 U From: "Andy Butcher" Subject: Re: IN> Nergal (Pestilence) Reply to: RE>IN> Nergal (Pestilence) Didn't Nergal quit about 50 years ago, muttering under his breath about Penicillin? - ------------------------------ Date: 24/02/97 17:07 To: Andy Butcher From: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Just a second call in case anyone missed my first mailing. I'm wiritng up the Demon Prince Nergal, whose word is Pestilence, but I need more information. One of you guys must have some information on him? Pretty please? With sugar on top? cheers - Psygoblin Psychedelic Goblin - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qm-gw.futurenet.co.uk with SMTP;24 Feb 1997 17:03:54 U Received: from firewall.futurenet.co.uk by dnserv.futurenet.co.uk (8.7.5/PIPEX simple 1.27) id RAA00029; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:03:48 GMT Received: by firewall.futurenet.co.uk; id QAA29315; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:55:07 GMT Received: from lists.io.com(199.170.88.15) by firewall.futurenet.co.uk via smap (g3.0.3) id xma029294; Mon, 24 Feb 97 16:54:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28577 for in_nomine-l-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:58:22 -0600 Received: from mailbox.rgu.ac.uk (mailbox.rgu.ac.uk [193.63.235.1]) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28573 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:58:16 -0600 Received: from merkland.rgu.ac.uk (merkland.rgu.ac.uk [193.62.37.130]) by mailbox.rgu.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23336 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:43:56 GMT Received: from MERKLAND/MQ by merkland.rgu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 24 Feb 97 16:46:37 GMT+1 Received: from MQ by MERKLAND (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 24 Feb 97 16:46:34 GMT+1 From: "Psychedelic Goblin" <942777U@merkland.rgu.ac.uk> Organization: The Robert Gordon University To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:46:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: IN> Nergal (Pestilence) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <503C734593@merkland.rgu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:31:31 -0700 (MST) From: Ron Sago Subject: Re: IN> Nergal (Pestilence) On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Psychedelic Goblin wrote: > Just a second call in case anyone missed my first mailing. > > I'm wiritng up the Demon Prince Nergal, whose word is Pestilence, but > I need more information. > One of you guys must have some information on him? > Pretty please? With sugar on top? > > cheers - Psygoblin > Psychedelic Goblin > Hmmmm.......Nergal.....Nurgle.......Pestilence........ Is this the Games Workshop Warhammer/40K Nurgle, complete with Vomit Attack, and all? Or is Nergal an actual mythological demon that I was unaware of? If the former is true, I'm not sure I'd really want to use much in the Games Workshop stuff with IN. Although I love the system, and the universe(s) they have built, I'm not really sure their Chaos Lords are all that appropriate for IN. They just don't have the IN "feel" to them. And no, I can't define what IN feels like. It's just a gut feeling. On the other hand, if Nergal *IS* a demon based in "fact," and they used him as the basis of Nurgle, then I have no idea on what he would do. It's your game, YOU decide what the Prince of Pestilence can do. Let us know what you come up with, maybe some of us will use it. However, I must admit I do like the idea of a Prince of Pestilence. Working with Baal, the Prince of War.....and Saminga, the Prince of Death. Hmmmmmm.......Suddenly, I have ideas of an adventure where the PC angels are assisted by agents of Haagenti, who despises the thoughts of The Prince of Famine uniting with War, Death and Pestilence........ More to come. ronsago@getnet.com I'm so cool, I don't NEED a .signature file! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:34:35 -0600 (CST) From: Dann Webster Subject: Re: IN> Nergal > As a very major demon-prince, I want to give him a decent write-up, > but all I know of him at the mo' is his name, and that fact that his > Word is Pestilence, and he's supposed to be chief of the Secret > Police in Hell. > If you can give me any info. on the adorable chap from whatever > sources you've got, I'll send in the finished Nergal to the list. > > cheers - Psygoblin THough it is not Canonical (gaming or religious) You might Use Nurgle from Warhammer/ Warhammer 40K as a model. Though not the most Thought Provoking Game, it does have some cool stuff in terms of how his servitors might look, etc. The first thing that comes to mind is that all of Nergal's folks should take Pallid as their first dischord. Some good sources on Arcana (though not necessarily angel related) are Umberto Eco's Name of the Rose and his Focault's Pendulum. These books were what got me into Building my own Black Library, and my interest in Kabbalah, Conspiracies (LOTS of Templar stuff) and Ancient Tomes. For all of you who are really interested in the Library in Heaven (Yves, Right?) Name of the Rose has tons of Cool Books that could be in their (Aristotles 2nd Poetics, to begin with). Blabbing incessantly DW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:08:36 -0500 (EST) From: IQJasonS@aol.com Subject: IN> A Balseraph's Primer for Paradigm Realignment Okay...thanks to the vagaries of the 'net, my contributions have been eaten, long enough for others to beat me to the satirical punch. (Thanks, Orc. You'll get yours later. :( ) Still, I was proud of a few of them, and they covered aspects that weren't wholly explored by the others. So... ANDREALPHUS: No, seriously, she likes you. She's just playing hard to get. ASMODEUS: Your honor, the evidence has obviously been tampered with. I move for a mistrial. BELIAL: Defuse it? Oh, sure. Cut the green wire. BELETH: Behind that door? Spiders. Thousands of creeping, crawling spiders. HAAGENTI: I've ordered another box. It should be here any minute. Go ahead and take it. NYBBAS: Of course it's true. Didn't you see the feature on it in the Times? SAMINGA: That lump is perfectly benign. Another cigarette? VALEFOR: Somebody call for a moving van? yours, trust me, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:24:14 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Dawson Subject: IN> Impudite Pickup Lines OK, so maybe I suggested Impudite pickup lines (they are the Charmers after all) because somehwere in my heart, I really wanted to do them after all. Thought of most of these walking from class to class. Impudite Pickup Lines: Andrealphus: Nice shoes. Wanna f*ck? Asmodeous: Stop, thief! You've stolen my heart. Baal: You remind me of Helen of Troy. I would start a war that would destroy the world just to have you by my side. Beleth:Haven't I seen you in my dreams. Belial: Baby, I'm on fire! Haagenti: I could just eat you up. Kobal: (any bad pickup line. )That sweater looks really becoming on you. Of course, if I were on you, I'd be c*ming too. (Sorry) Kronos: Said while wearing a watch: "Do you have the time...for love?" Alternatively: Target asks, "Excuse me, do you have the time?" Impudite: "Do you have the energy?" Malphas: "Is that I wedding band on your finger, you better take it off so I doesn't get lost in bed." Nybbus: "Aren't you on TV? You look like that famous model?" Saminga: "I'm dying to be with you." Alternatively: Wait, I was about to say something really distatsteful! Valephor: Was your father a thief? 'Cause someone stole the stars from the sky and put them in your eyes. Vapula: "I don't run on batteries." or: "Do you want to come over to my place and play with toys." or: At the office copy machine. "Reproducing eh?" "Can I help?" Note: Some of these lines, were lifted from a fwd. of the cheesiest pickup lines in the world. Others are the result of my sick imagination. Apologies in advance, Miked. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:12:56 -0600 From: Ter Roshawk Subject: Re: IN> Impudite Pickup Lines Mike Dawson wrote: > > OK, so maybe I suggested Impudite pickup lines (they are the Charmers after > all) because somehwere in my heart, I really wanted to do them after all. > Thought of most of these walking from class to class. > > Impudite Pickup Lines: Much cooler than the Devine pick-up lines... 'Sept maybe the Charib ones.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:34:20 -0500 From: "Scott L. Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Nergal > As a very major demon-prince, I want to give him a decent write-up, > but all I know of him at the mo' is his name, and that fact that his > Word is Pestilence, and he's supposed to be chief of the Secret > Police in Hell. > If you can give me any info. on the adorable chap from whatever > sources you've got, I'll send in the finished Nergal to the list. Well, it is possible that you could take the Good Omens idea and replace Pestilence with Pollution :) Blade PS. Dont forget about Famine! Diet pills, etc... The 8os must have been heaven (er, hell?) for the Demon of Famine. Name that one Twiggy ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:12:20 -0500 (EST) From: IQJasonS@aol.com Subject: IN> Who's Who In Hell: Sitri, Demon of Homosexuality Okay...I've been working on this one for a while (ask the Ogre) and I thought I'd put it up for public appraisal. As a warning: the text below deals with a sensitive topic; reader discretion is advised. Plus, it's a new character -- anybody legally barred from reading it should press 'd' now and hope for the best. All clear? Cool. Then enjoy. SITRI Demon of Homosexuality Habbalah Captain of Lust Sitri first manifested as an angel in service to Eli, a fact that caused no little confusion among the members of the Divine hierarchy. Still, it stands to reason that, if someone had to hold the divine word of Homosexual Love, it would have to be an Elohite. Their resonance for emotion and utter impartiality would be required to understand that the love held by these men and women was real, and that judgment should not be passed based on who happens to receive that love. As an angel, Sitri helped his charges maintain the balance between eros and agape, the passion of the body and the stirrings of the heart. Sadly, he also often had to help them endure the trials inflicted upon them for the feelings they held. Although Eli did his best to protect him, the eyes of the Archangel Dominic looked with scorn upon an angel who encouraged acts which were clearly "abominations that cried out to God." When Eli abandoned the Halls of Heaven in the beginning of the century, Sitri was left without a Superior and defenseless against the will of those who would cast him out. (Novalis kept silent as the servitor of her ally was tried. Love of man for man and woman for woman she could comprehend...but she couldn't bear the thought of the "unnatural" acts involved.) It wasn't long after that Sitri Fell. His perspective fractured, he now emphasizes the physical part of homosexuality over all else, and tends his "divine" word by using his resonance to encourage same-sex lust. Strangely enough, though, he seems to exhibit the same care for his charges that he always did, but shows no signs of dissonance. Either Andre is taking good care of his servant, or Sitri isn't as far away from Eli as others think. Appearance: Sitri retains the androgyny integral to his word, keeping a similar form in both his male and female vessels. His bodies are kept nearly hairless: a buzz-cut hairstyle and a completely shaven body, adorned with several piercings in provoactive places. Relations: Sitri is on very good terms with Andrealphus, and has done several services for Nybbas, who has responded by improving the media's image of gay culture -- compare the present image of homosexuality to its status *before* Eli left. However, he's an easy target for Andre's enemies: Saminga and Baal, especially. *** Comments and critique are, of course, deeply loved. yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:40:44 +0000 From: "Robert Wolff" Subject: IN> Re: Sitri, Demon of Homosexuality > SITRI > Demon of Homosexuality > Habbalah Captain of Lust > > Comments and critique are, of course, deeply loved. > > yours, > -J I'd be remiss in my requests for comments if I didn't immediately respond to your post. Loved it. I thought it was a good piece of work, well thought out, and fits well into the IN rules scheme. Of course, I'm not sure I like the implications of it,... I'm too Socratic to not want to have Eros/Agape in balance. But maybe I'll just make an Angel on one side, to counter Sitri on the other. I just don't like the implications that all of heaven can't see homosexuality as a valid expression of love (while I'm sure Dominic might not like it...). Perhaps, in my scheme, Sitri just began to emphasize the act over the emotion, and this caused his fall. The Angel of Homosexual Affection could emphasize the relationship over the act (because, of course, a love that springs deeply from one's soul cares not what corporeal vessel is involved...) But I see you've discarded that in favour of this position. No sweat. Works both ways. Thanks for your effort. Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:03:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Knowledge of the Other Side (Re: IN> Lilim) At 12:01 PM -0600 2/23/97, Derek Patton Pearcy wrote: >>>>If my players were willing to do that, I'd buy them dinner. >>> >>>Uh oh, Elizabeth is on the list now.... >> >>I'm a vegitarian (ovo-lacto), and like Spaghetti Warehouse in >>Austin. Sounds like fun. > >Hey, next time y'all swing on through, let me know. I'll do my best to do so.... >>What *does* a "newborn" Lilim (or any celestial, for that matter) know >>about her situation and universe? Do they find out the hard way that >>Asmodeus/Dominic have starched jock-straps? Or is there a "basic >>knowledge" package that Lilith (or any creating celestial Superior) >>gives to the newborn? > >I'd been assuming that most angels and demons knew almost as much about the >other side as was represented in the core rules, perhaps a little less. So Demons know that Novalis is a "wimp," Dominic is Bad News, Eli is missing, Laurence gets in over his head, Gabrial is loony.... While Angels know that Asmodeus is Dominic's counterpart and even *nastier*, the Prince of Theft and the Archangel of Wind are twins separated at creation, Lilith is not adverse to making a Deal, etc.? >They have a crude understanding of how the other side's politics work -- >the better to manipulate them. I've also been assuming that angels and >demons spend a lot of time in their respective celestial realms learning >about all sorts of things, not the least of which would be, "Oh yeah, and >there're these other beings similar to us, but they're BAD." (And yes, I >see the same statement being spoken by angels and demons.) So they hang around at the heels of their creator, picking up trivia and getting lectured by older celestials about politics? (Or even taught by designated servitors, and/or mentored when sent to earth...) Does this mean that a Servitor of Marc might see fit to impersonate a Lilim of some kind, if s/he found hirself amongst demons and hir Choir wasn't opposed to the notion (like Elohim and Seraphim would be), while a Lilim might talk fast to say that she's a Mercurian of Trade if she found herself surrounded by angels? (And hoping to somebody that none of them are Seraphim...) >>What do any celestials know about the Other Side, either? Do they know >>that Dominic's servitors will be tough cases, whereas Novalis is a bit >>of a softy? Or is it a case of, "So you guys serve somebody called >>David -- does this mean we can't make a deal here?" > >Well, if my demon players wanted to deal with an angel, I wouldn't let them >reference their books, but they'd be welcome to try and swing a deal with >what they held in their heads. If they were mistaken about some subtlety of >celestial politics, the angels might use that to their advantage -- or >assume that they were just having their chains jerked and break off >negotiations. And vice-versa, of course. Okay, that's useful data. Thanks. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:52:15 -0600 From: Ter Roshawk Subject: Re: IN> Nergal Scott L. Hamilton wrote: > Well, it is possible that you could take the Good Omens idea and replace > Pestilence with Pollution :) Not that bad of an idea, but would you also have the Hound of Hell a Golden Retreiver? I do love the idea of an Angel and Demon doing each other's jobs--"...the higher up don't really care who does the work, just as long as its done." > Blade > PS. Dont forget about Famine! Diet pills, etc... The 8os must have been > heaven (er, hell?) for the Demon of Famine. Name that one Twiggy ;) Twiggy? Why not Richard Simmons or "Stop The Insanity" Powder women (if she his female... but then, Richard isn't much of a man...) - -- Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! (Anybody got a better way of spelling it? ;) - ------------------------------------------------- This is a test, and only a test. Do not warn your deaf neighbors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:55:25 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Calabim At 7:48 PM -0600 2/23/97, Donald G Bixler wrote: > > > Good job. I like yours better than my own... I like 'em both, actually... More, for others? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:09:39 -0600 From: warlock@webstar.net Subject: IN> Character sheets Well, I've decided to finally de-lurk. I picked up my copy of In Nomine last week and I LOVE it! Everything from the backgrounds to the dice mechanics will suit my players and me perfectly. However, before we begin playing, we need character sheets. I remember somebody posting that they had made sheets and put them on their web page...but I can't find that message anywhere. I'm sorry for asking the question again and wasting bandwidth, but, WHERE ARE THEY? I'm sorry that my first post has to be this one, but I will contribute more later on. Anyway, everyone please keep up the good work. The discussions are fantastic and thought provoking, along with the wonderful adventure seeds, characters, and Artifacts that have been contributed. I'm really impressed. Cheers, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:17:45 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> To Robert Wolff! >From: Mail Administrator >Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail > >This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > >The following destination addresses were unknown (please check >the addresses and re-mail the message): > >SMTP and >SMTP and >SMTP Must have been the Demon of Bounced Email... (A nasty little Habbalah, used to be servitor of Jean before Vapula got 'im.) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: IN adventures, premises, etc. > >I like them muchly, and hope you don't stop. So there. (And what *is* your real email address???) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:28:14 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Character sheets > However, before we begin playing, we need character sheets. I remember > somebody posting that they had made sheets and put them on their web > page...but I can't find that message anywhere. I'm sorry for asking the > question again and wasting bandwidth, but, WHERE ARE THEY? http://www.wiu.edu/users/mudgb4/wiu/in-nomine.html The In Nomine Collection (http://www.nocturne.org/inc) also has a link to my character sheets. I would _really_ suggest writing down the INC link- it's a very good page. > Cheers, > Les Oops da Ogre, who will be sending Salmaci, the Demon of Bisexuality to the list sometime (hopefully) soon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:48:28 -0500 From: "Scott L. Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Character sheets >Oops da Ogre, who will be sending Salmaci, the Demon of Bisexuality to >the list sometime (hopefully) soon I do hope you are joking. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:59:28 -0500 (EST) From: IQJasonS@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Character sheets "I do hope you are joking." I assure you, he isn't. :) yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 22:18:05 -0600 From: Deathdog Subject: Re: IN> Character sheets >>Oops da Ogre, who will be sending Salmaci, the Demon of Bisexuality to >>the list sometime (hopefully) soon > >I do hope you are joking. Why? Seems reasonable enough. I wanna see it! *********************************************************** Brad Everman aka Deathdog, Mac programmer & Grammy-Winning Rap Artist "Friday, February 21st: Downloading of pornography on the internet drops by over fifty percent as millions flock to see The Empire Strikes Back" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:11:25 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Kinney Subject: Re: IN> Bodhi's 3rd Adventure Idea On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Robert Wolff wrote: > Holy Blood, Holy Grail is pretty standard stuff... you should be able > to find it in large bookstores, but it's a bit old to find in new > bookstores... look in used ones. This book deals with the whole Actually, this is available in the New Age section of most chain bookstores I've seen (Waldenbooks, etc). In paperback, even. I'm not sure about the others, though, as I've never really sought them out. Mark Kinney | alberich@iglou.com | http://www.iglou.com/nations/ "The chance in war is equal, and the slayer oft is slain." -- Homer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:07:52 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Character Sheets > >Oops da Ogre, who will be sending Salmaci, the Demon of Bisexuality to > >the list sometime (hopefully) soon > > I do hope you are joking. Nope. Ask Jason S, the one who sent in Sirti. I'm pretty much just fine-tuning the story at this point. Oops da Ogre, who thought it interesting that by his reading, Sirti in the Lingua Angelica would be Seh-Ur-Tah: Heaven's Eternal Goal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:13:37 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Character sheets > >I do hope you are joking. > > Why? Seems reasonable enough. > I wanna see it! Don't worry; you will. It'll show up as soon as I can get some spare free time. Honestly, I'm surprised that Salmaci got the "You gotta be kidding!" comment; I expected that remark to be aimed at my Ofanim of Caffiene. The character is serious, although the demon in question occasionally is not. > Brad Everman aka Deathdog, Mac programmer & Grammy-Winning Rap Artist Oops da "It'd be nice if your email address was in your .sig" Ogre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:17:59 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Calabim > I like 'em both, actually... More, for others? Not from me for a while. Although I may work up a Shedim's Favorite Rationalizations list. > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net > GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ Oops da Ogre, Eater-Of-Bandwidth, Calabim of Nybbas ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #38 ****************************** The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.