From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Apr 27 10:11:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06732 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:11:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17196 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:57:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:57:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199704271457.JAA17196@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #141 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, April 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 141 In this digest: Re: IN> The War Revealed - Warrior Nun Re: IN> Thanatos, Archangel of Death IN> The Undead Re: IN> CANON: The Supp Plan IN> Vessel Questions... Re: IN> In Nomine mailing list IN> that damn owl spam, and how to get the same thing free Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 Re: IN> vessel types... Re: IN> Vessel Questions... Re: IN> Vessel Questions... Re: IN> The Undead Re: IN> CANON: The Supp Plan IN> Adventure Idea: The End of the Rainbow? IN> IN:Hello Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 Re: IN> Vessel Questions... IN> Demon Prince Bazur IN> Magnifi-Cat IN> INC archives search engine?? Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur Re: IN> INC archives search engine?? IN> Another Take on Faith: Why Angels Hide Re: IN> Adventure Idea: The End of the Rainbow? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:17:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> The War Revealed - Warrior Nun On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > Hmmm... I'll pass, thanks. Nice idea, lousy end result (why do all > the nuns have to have 36-D breasts in those comics?). Well at least in the case of Warrior Nun B&W #1&2 the artist, Art Lyon, allways draws his women over muscled, and he has a thing for large breasted women. He was a friend of mine in Bloomington IN. Shadowcat, who needs to get back to Indiana to get his copies sighned. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:13:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Thanatos, Archangel of Death On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, tom timberlake wrote: > I don't know how, but you beat me to it! very much what I had in mind, > though i was going to add Anesthesia as a Servitor Attunement, and also > Sleep. he was also going to be known as the Angel of Release, not > Death---release from pain, from consciousness through the little death > of sleep, and from life when the time arrived. like you did, i was going > to make premature death at the hands of a Servitor of Release Discordant > and not just Dissonant. good job and faster than > mine. What about "Le Patit Mort" ?? ;-) and no I don't meen a little short guye in a hooded robe with a scycle, though the one on XXXenophile # 9 is cute. Now see what you got me started on AchBeth. ;-P Shadowcat &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& "Ring a ring of roses/A pocket full of posies/ ashes achoo / all fall dead" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> The Undead First, I'd like to apologize for the oddity of my first post, I probably could have rephrased all of those those exapmls about Joe Bystander into something clearer and more concise way. I'd gotten a little carried away. As for the repetetive use of Joe Bystander...well, No, I don't have anything against Joe Bystander, it's just a way I typically do examples...Joe Bystander, Joe Mage, Joe Fighter, Joe Vampire, Joe Wookie, Joe Diety... and so on. Anyway, I've got a few thoughts on the Undead I'd like to share...This is probably going to be a little morbid, but I'm a morbid kind of guy. On page 193, it's presented as a disadvantage of being undead that "...should the undead vessel be destroyed, the soul is gone as well." I say this isn't a disadvantage...It's a feature. Let's say, I'm a Soldier of Hell, serving Saminga, Demon Prince of Death. Say I've served him faithfully, forwarding his Word on Earth as best I can, and in reward, I'm offered the chance to become a Mummy. Now, I'm Human. Which means, that eventually, I'm going to die. And my death might come from a Soldier of God, or an Angel, or another Demon, or (wonder of wonders!) Old Age. Since I'm human, and I'm serving the Diabolicals, I'm going to Hell. What do I have to look forward to in Hell? Well, I'll wind up at the gate with the sweeping throngs of various other humans who didn't live a particularly decent life. I'll be swept along past Dominic's Angels, who won't give me a second look, because I belong here. Most likely, I'll wind up partitioned along Lucifer's division of souls, and wind up in a random principality of Hell, where I'll spend eternity getting exactly what I deserve. If I've been extremely exemplary in serving Sam, then maybe, just, maybe There'll be a Demon waiting for me at the entrance with my name on a card (or something analagous to that), and I'll be taken to Abbadon. Since I've only served Saminga for 30 or so years, if I'm lucky, I'll probably get some low-level assingment, perhaps gathering up my fellow human souls to be run through the wringer to give Forces to others. Or perhaps something worse. I can't possibly hope to compete with Demons who've served Sam for centuries or millennia for the better jobs. Eventually, I'll screw up, or be blamed by some Demon for his screw up, and *whoom* I'm in the pit with the rest of them, running for my forces from the roving collectors, hoping to keep myself whole as long as possible. But I've got Eternity to run, and eventually, I'll get caught, and devolved, and eventually destroyed. Kinda bleak, isn't it? On the other hand, If I do decide to go through the (probably lenghty and excruciatingly painful) process of Mummification, and it does take, then I've got the potential to serve Sam on Earth for centuries, if I'm shrewd and careful. If an Angel, Demon, or Accident does me in, instead of being sent to Hell, I'm gone. My soul's ripped apart, and dissipates. Sure, that's bad...but, at least in my opinion, the alternative is worse. And, at least, if I do eventually get sick of serving Saminga, I have nothing worse than sweet oblivion wating for me...If I can do myself in. Yes, my chances of redemption, should I ever decide I need it, are probably somewhat better if I remain mortal, but the likeliehood of me successfully staying out of Hell if I've already done enough for Saminga to warrant Mummification is rather low. I've probably Sealed my Fate. So, my choices are, after death, are be destroyed utterly, or spend time in Hell before being destroyed utterly, or spend Eternity in Hell. Assuming that knowledge is imparted, and I'm thinking about the future, I see the soul-destorying thing as a perk, not a flaw. Well, that's my take on the undead thing. Do with it what you will. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu ==== Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Datz-Natall, Balseraph Knight of the Media, the Demon of Informecials. ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> CANON: The Supp Plan On 25 Apr 1997, Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: > > 1. Vignette. A short story giving flavor of the game. It will present > the setting in this supplement, the people introduced or expanded upon > in this supplement, and advance a story arc for the 5 book cycle. Story arcs > shakes things up a bit -- they reveal secret plots happening on a grand > scale and describe a change in the balance of power. No, they will not > *change everything*. But something will give. You'll cheer when your most > disliked Superior is displaced. You'll whine unbelievably when your favorite > Superior is displaced. That's the breaks in the Cold Celestial War. THe supp plan sounds really interesting for those already in the game, but if superiosrs are being displaced, doesn't this mean that the basic In Nomine book will be rendered innaccurate? Won't that make it difficult for new players to get in on the game? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:37:51 -0400 From: Matthias Mueller Subject: IN> Vessel Questions... Beth wrote: > Do Vessels get sick, or contract "social diseases"? (Who, me, play > Lilim?) [My pref: No.] Can they be carriers of disease? [My pref: > maybe, not sure. A Song of Healing would probably fix it, though, > if they could.] This leads to a question that popped up during character creation. One of my players has an Impudite of Asmodeus, posing as a faith healer. He asked which songs to take in order to really cure people of diseases. The Corporeal Song of Healing just takes away damage and wound, eliminating the effects of an illness but not curing it. He's trying to revitalize old people with the Corporeal Song of Entropy. He's going to try fooling his victims with Attraction or Charm, maybe he can just make them think they got better... he's a Demon, after all ! But is there something like Songs of Curing ? -Matioki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:40:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine mailing list At 12:55 PM -0400 4/25/97, gibsonc@NKU.EDU wrote: >what is this about? > >On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Remo Strada wrote: > >> Robert W. Messina >> 195 Rowland Ave. >> Clifton, NJ 07012 Likely a subscription attempt -- where someone took "send address" literally. *sigh* Some people don't read instructions well. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:20:31 -0500 From: Mage Bob Subject: IN> that damn owl spam, and how to get the same thing free Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> said "OWL is scum" and I tend to agree, he was offering to post people to search engines right? for like 85 bucks right? there is a sight that will do that free, its called signpost and its terribly nifty... the URL is http://signpost.merseyworld.com/ ~Mage Bob, of pointing out free stuff, serviter of Janus WEB http://www.public.iastate.edu/~magebob/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:39:48 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 At 2:07 PM -0500 4/25/97, Shadowcat wrote: >On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> And then there's the one in XXXenophile... > > You meen "End Game" in Issue 4? [...] Yup! And then there's the 18-and-over-only picture at http://www.xxxenophile.com/ -- the art gallery place has a couple of Lust Servitors... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 18:39 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> vessel types... >> I think arachnids are still available... ;'} > > > For the sake of my own sanity, I'd have to say no to >this. Insects, 'bugs', arachnids, etc are all going to be lumped in >the same category. How about nematodes...? Maybe the official rule should be "vertebrates only" except for Jordi's lot. (And Novalis -- hmmm... can hers inhabit molds?) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:16:55 -0700 From: Roger Carbol Subject: Re: IN> Vessel Questions... Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Do Vessels suffer Fatigue-effects? Or do they just keep going and > going and going? (Probably *feeling* tired once they're out of > Essence...) [My preference: Fatigue? What's fatigue? We can trek > forever if we have to, just keep breathing.] Keep breathing? Ha. Angels can walk across the bottoms of oceans, let alone valleys of death. Not to mention stride across the surface of the moon. Or at least they can in my little corner of the IN multiverse. Your celestial mileage may vary. Roger Carbol .. rog@col.ca .. green cheez ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Cymrys@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Vessel Questions... My own take on this is that the rules are there to be bent in the GM's favour. If he wants you to be able to cure diseases, then the Song will do it. If he doesn;t, then it won't. Personally, I like the idea of the Song being able to cure things other than pure damage; I even thought about drug addiction (one of my GM's recent storylines involving redeeming an addict), but since the storyline proceeded in such a way that it was decided he should learn from the experience and I didn't cure him, it's a moot point. By the way, I don't know how many of you may already know this, but did you know that Michael has another word apart from War? He is also the Archangel of Healing... Kind of a neat combination, wouldn't you say? (There's a story in that, too, I'll bet...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:25:17 -0700 From: Roger Carbol Subject: Re: IN> The Undead Nana Yaw Ofori wrote: > On page 193, it's presented as a disadvantage of being undead that > "...should the undead vessel be destroyed, the soul is gone as well." > I say this isn't a disadvantage...It's a feature. Still, though: just how do you really know those undead souls are being destroyed? Sure, all those helpful and always-honest demons are telling you "Oh yeah, Tutenkhamen...yeah...ummm...his soul ain't down here...really it isn't...it's not like we have a special secret extra-awful level of hell just for the Undead. No siree." Like the Book says, the soul is GONE. Where did it go? Perhaps that's a Secret That Celestials Weren't Meant To Know. Roger Carbol .. rog@col.ca .. soul man ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:58:58 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> CANON: The Supp Plan Peace, Moriah Peace? call it a hunch, but i doubt you will get much of it, now that you have given official permission to the b*****rs and moaners to "fire when ready, Gridley". on the other hand, if it gets to be too much, you can always sick Jean's servitors or a Calabim who owes you a Favor on their computer. maybe that will get "them" to exercise some restraint in their "b" and "m" emails. looks good to me, though i reserve the right to "b&m" if one of my faves bites the bullet. may AA D*****c never -catch- you at un-angelic doings, James, Davidian Malakim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Frederic Bush Subject: IN> Adventure Idea: The End of the Rainbow? I have to say, since I find the adventure ideas the best part of this list (keep 'em coming, folks!) I thought I'd chip in with another that just came to me. This one's for angels. The situation precipitating the start of the adventure is a gradual one that has just begun to get nasty: because of a prolonged hot spell with little wind, the smog levels over much of the planet have tripled, and major companies are ignoring environmental regulations as if they don't exist. Air is unbreathable in several major cities (mostly in the third world) without oxygen masks. Angels are trying to rectify the situation. Marc's servitors is working on persuading companies to follow ethical environmental laws, while Novalis' are putting pressure on governments through her legions of environmental activists. Yves' folk are chatting up a chemist who is soon to develop an amazing bacterium that eats smog. The PCs, however, are assigned a fairly minor role in dealing with this big crisis: they're to track down companies that are major polluters and look for demonic influence in the area they're operating in. Sure enough, they'll find it. An environmental consultant/balseraph is meeting with top executives in the company and persuading them of a new way to burn their trash. He'll turn tail and run at the first sight of angelic influence, though he'll try to sic the company's private security force on the PCs. PCs might also pick up a "strategy note" he leaves behind, signed by "E". About this time, characters will sense a massive disruption of the Symphony not too far away, just outside the city they're in. Upon arriving, they'll locate a scene of celestial combat, where an Ofanim has been destroyed by forces unknown. The Ofanim Nadras, Angel of Rainbows, a mid-level servant of Novalis, was "on duty" trying to coax a rainbow through the smog when he was slain. Since they're on the scene, characters will be recommended by their superiors to investigate the murder. From this point it gets free form. Players will discover that (1)rainbows around the world are becoming rarer and rarer because (2) the chemical composition of rain is changing as certain rare and toxic chemicals are added to the mix and (3) about a dozen huge multi-national corporations are involved in producing these chemicals; several of them employ the same law firm. These multi-nationals are being otherwise very good about following environmental regs; it's just in a few key chemicals that they're falling short.They haven't been noticed been trgeted by Heaven as perhaps under demonic influence. (4) the law firm involved in advising these companies has links to several major law enforcement agencies and a wire bureau. (5) Nadras has been murdered by demons associated with this law firm At this point, once the PCs have staked out the law firm, shock the heck out of them by having someone walk out of a meeting and proceed to a nearby angelic tether, and transmigrate to heaven! Eventually, the angel can be discovered to be one of the few servants of the enigmatic and reclusive Ezoiil, angel of the Deluge... WHAT IS GOING ON This story begins a long time ago, with the great deluge that wiped out life on Earth (Genesis 9). God wanted to make sure the Flood was done right, so He appointed two of his finest Elohim to be in charge of determining that the Earth really was in such a bad state, and then making sure that the flood did its job. Ezoiil and Ezekeel toured the Earth and witnessed its utter depravity in every nation, every city, every house but Noah's. Reporting to God that the world was evil, they then engineered and supervised the Deluge. - --- Luckily for them, God decided they wouldn't have to deal with that again: "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you and with every living creature that was with you--the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you--every living creature on earth. I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth. <...> I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth." - --- This was a great test, even for Elohim. They were responsible for murdering an entire planet. Think about that for a minute. It got even more difficult when God liked their work and used them later on to check up on Sodom and Gomorrah. There, too, they didn't find even 10 men worth saving. They managed to get Lot and his wife out of there before God's hammer fell on the towns, but once more, they were hatchetmen for the lord, and saw all the evil present there. Ezeqeel Fell soon after. Convinced that mankind was full of evil and should be helped along by destruction, he worked his way up from petty slayings to becoming the Demon of Pollution, a powerful servitor of Vapula who's now reaching for the top--becoming a Prince. He showed man how to poison the clouds. Ezeqeel considers his job to be to convince humans to poison themselves--thus hurting themselves through their own evil. Ezeqeel and Ezoiil never lost their friendship. Ezoiil, Angel of the Deluge, has been growing more and more restive lately. He realizes objectively that God has authority over him and he may not destroy mortal sinners without God's word, but he grows angry at the evils he sees on the planet. Sin, licentiousness, and rampant homosexuality, the sin of Sodom, are everywhere on the earth. Ezoiil dreams of God's call to once again cleanse the planet. Eaoiil spends much of his time in seclusion, brooding over his past and the future of Earth. As one of God's favored servants, Ezoiil is pretty much unaccountable for his odd behavior, and even Dominic fears him. Ezeqeel hopes to tempt him to once again scourge the Earth. For many years now, Ezeqeel has been Ezoiil's primary source of information, as Ezoiil distances himself more and more from angelic society. Ezeqeel supplies him with news... in a way. The news that Erakiel receives is slanted in the worst posible way. He hears of horrific rapes, especially the homosexual kind, mass murders, and in general human evil. When the two of them get together they reminisce about evil people they met and destroyed in God's name. All in all, Ezoiil has a very distorted and negative view of humankind. He's on the verge of using his divine gifts to flood the planet. All that's stopping him are those blasted rainbows. Ezoiil is not so far gone that he doesn't realize that he can't contravene God's covenant by flooding Earth while rainbows exist as a visible sign of said covenant. Ezeqeel is taking care of that by destroying Earth's rainbows by altering the chemical composition of rain. The smog is a smokescreen to divert angelic attention from the real problem. Anyway, Ezoiil has been persuaded that he can flood the planet as long as there are no rainbows; at that point, the covenant will be broken. Meanwhile, Ezeqeel has to take care of the demon of Floods, a pesky Calabim named Uros. Uros will claim credit for the floods unless he's eliminated or discredited. PCs will eventually, after figuring some of this out, have to chat with Ezoiil and persuade him that the world really isn't in such a bad way. Ezoiil is scary to talk to, even for angels: he destroyed the world! He's an "old testament" moralist who dislikes Mercurians, sex, and homosexuality; he will harp on those parts of earthly conduct, occasionally citing some skewed news statistic he has read (48% of females have been raped! And turned into lesbians because of it!) The PCs would do well to bring in an objective source of information, or even take him out and show him some nice parts of the world. Meanwhile, Ezeqeel will try to poison Ezoiil's relationship with the PCs, and destroy them, of course. He may enlist Uros as a bullyboy to knock out the PCs. If all goes to plan, and the PCs fail to convince or stop Ezoiil, the icecap will slowly begin to melt after the last rainbow disappears, thus causing massive flooding. Just how effective the flood is is up to the GM. Ezeqeel will get his princedom; the deluge will be (quite rightly, from a world point of view) blamed on "Global warming brought about by smog and ozone depletion" (the only reason we haven't seen more global warming by now is because of the rainbow covenant). As for Ezoiil, he won't fall: this is not dissonant for him, much though it seems to redound to evil. He's just been misled by false data. He'll be really,really angry at Ezeqeel, of course. Revenging himself may be his downfall. - --Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: IN> IN:Hello Hello. My name is Kimble Foster and I am recent member of this list. I've also only been recently introduced to the game itself. Just wanted to say hello to all and ask a question. What are the opinions of the list members on some of the more rescent "Angel" movies as inspiration and source material for In Nomine? I'd give my right arm to be ambidexterous! Crowe T. Robot-MST 3K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 At 02:07 PM 4/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> And then there's the one in XXXenophile... > > You meen "End Game" in Issue 4? I also like the demoness in >"DEMONstration of affection" in issue #1, Hmm.. she wasn't a bad example of Lilm..... :) I'd give my right arm to be ambidexterous! Crowe T. Robot-MST 3K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN> Vessel Questions... At 11:24 AM 4/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Some questions *I* have had (and my personal preferences for >answers... ;-) ). > >Do Vessels suffer Fatigue-effects? Or do they just keep going and >going and going? (Probably *feeling* tired once they're out of >Essence...) [My preference: Fatigue? What's fatigue? We can trek >forever if we have to, just keep breathing.] > >Do Vessels "feel" extremes of weather that are below the "damage" >threshold? (I.e., *maybe* heatstroke and frostbite, certainly things >like flamethrowers and the hypothetical ice dagger...) [My preference: >you can see a celestial in shorts in anything but below-freezing >weather that would take out toes, or in a fur coat in anything up >to 100F. They can *feel* temperature, and dress appropriately, but >it doesn't discomfit them as badly as a human.] > >Do Vessels get sick, or contract "social diseases"? (Who, me, play >Lilim?) [My pref: No.] Can they be carriers of disease? [My pref: >maybe, not sure. A Song of Healing would probably fix it, though, >if they could.] > >And we already know they can't get pregnant unless they want to... They can get pregnant? > >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net >GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > > I'd give my right arm to be ambidexterous! Crowe T. Robot-MST 3K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:37:39 -0700 From: faboo@brainlink.com Subject: IN> Demon Prince Bazur First of all, this is my first post, so please be kind. I gladly accept responses and possible alterations/improvements to my idea. Hope he helps other GM's too. Everyone has heard the phrase "the devil is in the details" right? Well for Bazur, Demon Prince of Beuracracy, this is more than just a silly quote. Next to factions, Satan's most favored child, in my game this prince has the most clout. Dissonance: It is dissonant for a demon to take the most direct course possible. (Obviously an Ophanim tailing one of these fellows would go slightly insane) Alternate delays include filing of paperwork. In effect, if a demon has 15 minutes to diffuse a bomb, they have 10 min as they lose five to getting supplies or filling out proper demonic forms. BAND ATTUNEMENTS Baselraph: These are the experts at hiding those "extra clauses" in a contract. They counter the distinction of Marc in contracts they write up. They have +3 fast talk in hiding things from other individuals. Djinn: These Djinn are so attuned to their object of choice, that if someone begins a search for the object through beureaucratic levels, they can sense it. For example, if someone requests the criminal record said individual, then there is a chance of the Djinn being aware. Calabim: These wanton destroyers excell at finding the inheirent bias in an existing system. Thus, they commit horrendous atrocities while still within the rules. They may add their Ethereal Forces to any roll to work within the grey areas of the rules. They gain no benefit when directly breaking code. Habbalah: These are the resource allocators. Whenever someone is afraid to stand against the law from above, worried they will lose that offfice or whatever, a Habbalah is lurking somewhere. They excel at punishing those who fight the good fight. With a check, they know what society gives the target that they most want, and an idea of how to get the system to disqualify them for such things. Lilim: After watching a group of coworkers, they can tell who is most disgrunteled by the status quo, and what buttons to push to make them buck against it. Many postal workers have ended up with automatic weapons after a talk with these demons. Shedim: These demons like to pair up and take over 6 customer service agents in an organization. Redirecting to another department just to be told to go back is there favorite game. When in an office setting, a Shedim may control 3, not 2 human hosts at once, as long as they are not figures of high authority. Impudites: These greedy demons have the ability to milk the system for all its worth. If they can get in touch with someone in charge of distribution, they can con their way into CD + Essence x100 dollars worth in supplies. If a demon does this more than twice a week, they must be wary, as it may catch up to them. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS Information Roadblock: Bazur's children have the ability to cover their actions in paperwork or otherwise. Any attempt to intercept an action of theirs has a +2 difficulty, as word of mouth leads to conflicting results. 911=666: With this attunement, police, fire rescue, or any other emergency vehicle's arrival can be delayed. The period is the result of the CD + Essence x5 minutes. This does not have an effect on in building security, only the external agencies. DISTINCTIONS Knight of Filibustering: Any paperwork or comuter files kept on this demon by any non-celestial will dissapear with a successful check, filed in the wrong folder or such. Captain of Proper Channels: With a successful check, reception of an object they see sent can be delayed by CD number of hours/days/weeks depending on what is most logical. Baron of Records: These demons can will an object they know is in transit to be sent to themselves instead. The parcel will then be marked as lost by the carrier, signature be recipient somehow forgotten. RELATIONS--GM's choice. BASIC RITES Gain 2 essence for installing another level of management or passing an irritating policy Making someone sit for over an hour doing nothing Get someone to blame the wrong individual through paperwork proof CHANCE OF INVOCATION- 4 (Kind of hard to get him...I wonder why.) INVOCATION MODIFIERS +1 An "Out To Lunch" sign +2 Filling out the short Summon Prince form (1 hour) +3 A memorandum no less than 10 pages +4 Causing a fight at the DMV or similar institution +5 Filling out the extended Summon Prince form (4 hrs) +6 An original legal/political document of import (Constitutional bills and such) Ok, well that is my little bundle of nasty. Knowing how he works, you may understand why the Dark Lord favors him so. If the other princes get around the sqabbling instigated be the Prince of Factions, then Bazur can stall any real action by centuries. Hoping to know what you all think. Another David. (From now on will be Dave) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 19:52:45 PDT (0252Z) From: "Brion K. Lienhart" Subject: IN> Magnifi-Cat OK, as requested here is the info on this book: Magnifi-Cat Carolyn and Edmund Sheehan ISBN 0-385-00296-3 The copyright date is 1972, so it may be a bit hard to find. I checked it out of the local library again, and since I've started rereading it, it may be a bit out of sync with In Nomine. For instance Archangel Uriel is one of the main characters in the Heaven segements. It's still a pretty good story though. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 23:07:01 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: IN> INC archives search engine?? question for AA Beth, and an opportunity to plug the INC: does it have a search function that will let me check quickly to see if anyone has contributed a write-up on the Gabriel Hounds/Gabriel Rackets already? thanks Mucho, tom "...say hello to the frog..." Heather Alexander, _Life's Flame_, "The Garden" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 23:16:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur > Shedim: These demons like to pair up and take over 6 customer service > agents in an organization. Redirecting to another department just to be > told to go back is there favorite game. When in an office setting, a > Shedim may control 3, not 2 human hosts at once, as long as they are not > figures of high authority. One problem. The Shedim cannot possess multiple vessels at once. (Second sentence of first paragraph under "Resonances", p. 151) Other than that, it's an interesting demon, although I'd proably make him a servant of Malphas... Oops da Ogre, How about his take on the others? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 02:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> INC archives search engine?? On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, tom timberlake wrote: > question for AA Beth, and an opportunity to plug the INC: does it have a > search function that will let me check quickly to see if anyone has > contributed a write-up on the Gabriel Hounds/Gabriel Rackets already? No search engines yet, but I'm pretty sure no one has posted anything about it. Why don't you? Paul Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 03:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: IN> Another Take on Faith: Why Angels Hide This question has been tackled rather rabidly by my group of players. The solution I have offered them is this: It is not Faith that is important but Grace, that peculiar state of mind that draws one closer to God (also known as Enlightenment in Eastern circles). A major component of Grace is Good Works, Charity, Love and so forth. Angels wish to encourage all humanity toward this state of Grace. However, motivations are extremely important with Grace. You cannot simply do good because God tells you so, or because you hope to get into Heaven. In order to obtain Grace, you must do good because it is the right thing to do, regardless of reward. When angels reveal themselves, human motivations get all muddled. They act out of fear of damnation, or they expect the actions of angels to save them. Humans might do good, but for the wrong reasons. They lose sight of the fundamental truth that they are in control of their own destiny, and that only through their own thoughts and actions will they be saved or damned. The Powers That Be have decided that angels must work secretly to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the modern world. It's not necessarily obvious to the angel in the street whether this decision came directly from God or the Council of Seraphim. It is certainly true that not angels agree with this plan of action, and that there have been points in the past where angels acted more openly. Still, that's the way things are know, and any angel that doesn't toe the line will be hanked back to Heaven so fast that her halo will spin :) Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:27:20 -0400 From: John Maurer Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Idea: The End of the Rainbow? At 10:04 PM 4/26/97 -0400, Frederic Bush wrote: >Ezeqeel and Ezoiil never lost their friendship. Ezoiil, Angel of the >Deluge, has been growing more and more restive lately. He realizes >objectively that God has authority over him and he may not destroy mortal >sinners without God's word, but he grows angry at the evils he sees on the >planet. Sin, licentiousness, and rampant homosexuality, the sin of Sodom, A good scenario I think, but just to make a theological point: I have read (and I am certain Moriah will correct me if I am wrong). That the sin of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality. The sin of sodom was inhospitality. Until the middle ages, to do a "sodomy" to someone was to do them an unkindnes. It was not until King James (who was a closet homosexual himself) that the word took on its current leanings to anal penetration. This is not to say that god is necessarily keen on the whole homosexual issue. In exodus he did recommend death to men who lie with men as women. He just didn't destroy Sodom and Gommorah over it. Speaks "He was possessed of every art and grace except for that of making his own living" -Cold Comfort Farm ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #141 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.