From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri May 2 12:56:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16605 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:56:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09105 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:54:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:54:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199705021654.LAA09105@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #150 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, May 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 150 In this digest: [none] Re: IN> Vessel replacement Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET Re: IN> Dominic.net Re: IN>Word needed IN> Joe Demon 3 IN> Joe Demon 2 IN> Joe Angel 5 IN> Joe Demon 1 Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #148 Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 Re: IN>Word needed Re: IN> Dissonance Re: IN> Vessel replacement Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 Re: IN> Thanatos, Archangel of Death IN> D.Net sniping IN> Word Frequency IN> [LIST] Corrections IN> Ways of Dissonance RE: IN> Ralph, Demon Prince of Apathy Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #146 Re: IN> Dissonance Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 Re: IN> Word Frequency Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 RE: IN> Kyrios and vessels (was: Joe Angel 1 through 4) Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:43:50 -0500 (CDT) From: nymbus@hell.org Subject: [none] Walter said... "Your friend will *BURN*" --Belial@Hell.org "Your friend will *BURN*" --Gabiel@Heaven.org I nymbus retort... On behalf of Belial and Gabriel, I formally and publically smite you... Belial and Gabriel want you to know that if you EVER dare to speak on their behalf again they will BOTH put asside their qualms and beat you down. They couldn't send this themselves as since as Belial so eloquently put it, "whenever I touch the computer the keys go all melty..." YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! ~Nymbus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:56:10 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> Vessel replacement i would rule that it cost xp's so that people didn't take it lightly. the idea of trauma being so severe should also be made clear. if a player didn't have the xp's to do it i would allow "credit" until he paid it off. jahon the ...uhhh...i don't know On Thu, 1 May 1997, Robert Hiestand wrote: > Can you reform a vessel after undergoing sufficient Trauma for free? Or > does it require expenditure of more experience points (3 per level, etc). > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:41:35 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET >Thou, sirrah or madam, are obviously a Servitor of Kobal. You >want to think about what happens after he *comes down* and discovers >that he's wound up in the arms of some Servitor of Lust who's dreaming >about the bonus s/he/they is going to get from Andre(a)? Talk about >a witch-hunt crackdown... > > > >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net >GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:41:35 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> Dominic.net At 10:22 AM 5/2/97 GMT+10, you wrote: >Is it just me, or is anyone else growing tired of the rather unfunny >rantings of dominic.net? I'm beginning to think that dominic.net is >one of the best jokes Kobal has ever played. Convince Heaven to take >on a net aspect and then laugh yourself stupid while they keep >throwing their rather repetitive and predictable comments in the view >that they are amusing. > >Leath. Why do you think I keep making fun of domini.net? Btw, I didn't put the whoopie cushion on Dom's chair-Honest! Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:35:22 -0400 From: ixdragons@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: IN>Word needed Kim Foster wrote: > > Does anyone have a suggestion for Word bound Celestial under the following > Superiors: Andrephealus > Dominc > Novalis > > Any and all would be appreciated,even those that are slightly "silly" :) > I'd give my right arm to be ambidexterous! > Crowe T. Robot-MST 3K How's this: Andrephealus Bondage Sado-masochism Orgies Homophilia Pedophilia Necrophilia (Any)philia Seduction Promiscuity Dominc Justice Wrath (should be Gabriel) Vengeance Law Morality (wouldn't do it) Criticism Scrutiny Interrogation Righteousnes Might Novalis Perfume Pollen Honey Socialization Art Weddings Fertility Fruit ixDragons sends... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: IN> Joe Demon 3 Pochereth Calabim Servitor of the War Pochereth is a simple, brutish demon. He is good at killing, and little else. Pochereth is inordinately proud that it has earned the right to walk the Earth, and hopes to work his way up the ranks of Hell's army. If truth be told, Pochereth is not very bright, and it is unlikely that he will ever be anything other than an expendable foot soldier in the War against Heaven. Pochereth has been assigned to several different situations in which having a powerful warrior is of use. He wades into battle with a heavy pistol in own hand and a sword in the other. Using the Art of Combat, Pochereth can attack with both his pistol and sword and simultaneously unleash his devastating Resonance as well. Pochereth vaguely understands his own mental limitations, and tends to seek out more intelligent demons for guidance. Quite a few other diabolicals have taken advantage of Pochereth's naivete. Pochereth needs to be led, but resents it as well. He can unpredictably turn on his erstwhile manipulator - sometimes with the prodding a third rival demon. Corporeal Forces - 5 (Strength 12, Agility 8) Ethereal Forces - 2 (Intelligence 2, Precision 6) Celestial Forces - 2 (Will 5, Perception 3) Vessel: Human/4, Body 108 Songs: Form (Corporeal/4) Skills: Large Weapon/3, Ranged Weapon (Pistol)/3, Dodge/2, Move Silently/2 Attunements: Calabim of War, Art of Combat Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: IN> Joe Demon 2 Merodach Shedim Servitor of the Game Merodach is a deep agent in Asmodeus's game. Merodach is a specialist in delicate possessions. It feels nothing of the usual Shedim's drive to corrupt its host, instead concentrating on doing its job as effectiently as possible. As a result, Merodach is often involved in delicate actions where discretion is essential. Its reputation in this area is superb. Despite its skill, this is not Merodach's true purpose, however. Merodach carefully observes the demons it works with, seeking any sign of rebellion. It is skilled in sniffing out Dissonance in nearly all the Bands of demons. Only Lilim and Djinn escape its understanding, and as a result it is especially careful in its scrutiny of those Bands. Merodach is careful not to blow its cover when it discover infernal traitors. It will wait until the job is finished before it blows the whistle, waiting until after others believe the Shedim has left the area. Merodach's prefered method of capture is to simply possess the vessel of Renegade and walk it back to Hell. It won't hesitate to call in backup from other Servitors of Asmodeus if it need it. Corporeal Forces - 2 (Strength 4, Agility 4) Ethereal Forces - 2 (Intelligence 3, Precision 5) Celestial Forces - 5 (Will 12, Perception 8) Songs: Charm (Celestial/5) Skills: Fighting/3, Dodge/2, Emote/3, Fast Talk/3 Attunements: Balseraph, Calabim, Habalah, Shedim and Impudite of the Game Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:27:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: IN> Joe Angel 5 Elzaphan Malakim Servitor of Wind Elzaphan is a rebel with a cause. Like most Servitors of Janus, she travels frequently. Elzaphan has many contacts with roving cycle gangs such as the Hell's Angels, and knows the seamy side of America quite well. She admires the cyclists that appreciate the freedom of the road, but has nothing but contempt for those that use their strength to take advantage of the weak. She has a particular disgust for those who traffic in hard drugs such as crack, heroin or cocaine. Elzaphan uses her contacts to hunt down gangs that deal in such misery, and does her best to make their lives unbearable. She is not above a little subtle sabotage and theft, but her prefered method is to go in blazing and sow as much mayhem as she can. She is especially interested in seeking out demons that encourage or make use of the drug trade on the level of street gangs. Elzaphan is a sight to see in battle. She wields an Uzi in one hand and wears a bandoleer of dynamite over her other shoulder. She has gotten good enough that she can light the fuse from the muzzle flash of her gun, and chuck the dynamite without missing a beat. She usually stops short of actually killing, unless the gang is demon tainted. Elzaphan's activities usually make obscene amounts of noise, so she uses the Celestial Song of Motion to be well away by the time the dust settles. Corporeal Forces - 3 (Strength 5, Agility 7) Ethereal Forces - 3 (Intelligence 5, Precision 7) Celestial Forces - 3 (Will 7, Perception 5) Vessel: Human/4, Body 35 Songs: Motion (Ethereal/2, Celestial/5) Skills: Ranged Weapons (SMG)/4, Throwing/3, Move Silently/2, Lockpicking/2, Knowledge (Gangs)/2 Artifacts: Uzi (Talisman/2, Ranged Weapon +2, specially modified to "spark" when it fires). Attunements: Malakim of Wind Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: IN> Joe Demon 1 Hattaavah Djinn Servitor of Lust Hattaavah, like most Servitors of Andrealphus, revels in the temptations of flesh. She supports her Superiors word through her ownership of a minor porn magazine, Flesh. Flesh is not particularly popular, nor does it have a wide readership. In fact, the main purpose of Flesh is to be a cover and recruiting ground for Hattaavah lesser known but more successful hard-core S&M magazine, Flesh: Raw. Hattaavah personally supervises all photo shoots for Flesh magazine. She "works" with models of both genders, using her attunements to drive them to greater depths of depravity. After enough work, they are ready to graduate to work on the underground magazine. Flesh: Raw contains nothing but images of women as objects and victims. It's main message is the greatest sexual satisfaction for a man comes from ownership, explotation and brutality. Hattaavah has been known to lend her models to demons for unrelated projects, prostituting them to gain access to men of power. Her well-trained models are willing to do just about anything, and there are those that will give much to have such a sexual encounter. Hattaaavah feels somewhat proprietory about her charges, though, and always attunes herself too them before she lends them out. Hattaavah hopes someday to earn a Word of Pornography from her Superior. There are still a few things she cannot tolerate, however. Child pornography drives Hattaavah into a rage. She feels that it is a waste. Children are too young to understand, and are not spiritually tainted by their explotation. There is no gain in souls for tell. If truth be told, there are some depths even a demon will not sink too. Corporeal Forces - 2 (Strength 4, Agility 4) Ethereal Forces - 2 (Intelligence 5, Precision 3) Celestial Forces - 5 (Will 11, Perception 9) Vessels: Human/3, Charisma +2, Body 20, Role/2 (Publisher, Status/3) Songs: Light (Celestial/3) Skills: Seduction/3, Lying/2, Fast Talk/2 Attunements: Djinn of Lust, Dark Desire Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:41:34 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #148 At 05:34 PM 5/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:00:13 -0700 >>From: Hollis McCray >>Subject: IN> DOMINIC.NET >> >>Let's play a joke on DOMINIC.NET. Let's send them joke books till they get a >>sense of humor. >> >>Hollis, who thinks Dominic needs to get stoned. > >ERROR. ERROR. THIS TRANSMISSION DEEMED HERETICAL BY DOMINICNET. REPORT TO >THE HALLS OF JUDGMENT IMMEDIATELY. > >P.S. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW? > >>>Let's play a joke on DOMINIC.NET. Let's send them joke books till they get a >>>sense of humor. >> >>(But that *IS* the humor!) > >HUMOR? WHAT HUMOR? WE DON'T GET IT. > >>>Hollis, who thinks Dominic needs to get stoned. >> >>(Nah -- you see, when he's off-duty, he's busy dandling some baker's >>dozen of Relievers on his tail, all of them calling him "Daddy" >>(or "Mommy," depending...), and telling them stories of how Heaven >>used to be, and how those poor, deluded angels turned into demons >>because they were selfish...) > >WE ARE NEVER OFF DUTY. HERESY DOES NOT SLEEP. > >>>WE FIND YOUR LIST ACCEPTABLE, ARCHBETH. WE HOPE THIS MEANS YOU HAVE >>>ABANDONED YOUR SOMETIMES HERETICAL VIEWS. CARRY ON. >> >> I'm just >>making sure that everyone gets a fair deal here. We'll get to the >>"Identifying Your Suspect" list eventually. >> >>So, does that mean the other DominicNet I've been talking to isn't >>the real one? > >TEMP WORKER. > >> >>Are you kidding? I think stoning was probably Dominic's >>idea in the first place. Though I'm sure burning at >>the stake is his other favourite method for >>heretic extermination. >> >> >>Roger Carbol .. rog@col.ca .. burn mother burn > >IT IS BETTER TO SUFFER THE FIRES OF THIS WORLD THAN THE FIRES OF THE NEXT. >AND YES, STONING WAS OUR IDEA. > >>Let's give DOMINIC.NET a virus that won't let him do anything till he gives >>the correct punchline. I've got a joke they'll never get. Something about a >>road and a chicken... >>Hollis McCray >>Madman at Large >>email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us >> >> >>"No matter where you go, there you are." >>- -Buckaroo Banzai > >ERROR. ERROR. REPORT TO THE HALLS OF JUDGMENT, DOUBLE TIME! > >AND JUST WHAT IS SO FUNNY ABOUT A CHICKEN AND A ROAD? > >-DominicNet. Keeping Heaven safe from Heresy. Hey Dom,do yourself a favor-go hotbox a dome stadium by yourself. And here's one you should be able to get: What do you call ten thousand demons at the bottom of the ocean? A nice start. BTW, Dom-Who judges you? Que custodes custodes, after all... Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:50:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 Bravo Paul! Bravo! I enjoyed all four "Joe Angels" and will probably use all but #4. I won't use #4, but that's more because I already have someone like him, than any commentary on the character himself. About the only question I have is...egad. ANOTHER Kyrio question. They possess people and critters, is it kosher for them to buy vessels? Paul thanks again! It was cool to read someone else's take on In Nomine personalities without worrying about how the presence of this npc or that will rebalance the campaign... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:53:19 -0700 From: "Robert Coon" Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 > From: Paul F. Strack > Hattaavah > Djinn Servitor of Lust > Hattaavah hopes someday to earn a Word of Pornography from her Superior. > There are still a few things she cannot tolerate, however. Child > pornography drives Hattaavah into a rage. She feels that it is a waste. > Children are too young to understand, and are not spiritually tainted by > their explotation. There is no gain in souls for tell. If truth be told, > there are some depths even a demon will not sink too. Actually, I should think that there would be some sort of psychological trauma from being in such a production. On top of this, producing such material would likely help to encourage possible child molesters. And if Hattaavah had some sort of compunctions against it, it seems very unlikely she'd get the Word she wants, as there is NO depth lower than Hell's... Just my 2 cents... Rob Coon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 02:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN>Word needed Just wanted to thank every one for the sugestions. They have helped alot! I'd give my right arm to be ambidexterous! Crowe T. Robot-MST 3K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 01:26:50 -0500 From: Scott Turnbull Subject: Re: IN> Dissonance Thany wrote: Can you add Dissonance to your character at creation? I believe the IN Faq suggests that starting characters do not have dissonance, but GMs may choose to allow it. Although a Calabim must start play with 1 Discord of any type. I would personally resist the idea of beginning players starting with discord as they may not truly appreciate what that could mean to their character. If a player knows the game well and is a good role-player then the sky is the limit of course. Cheers, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 01:43:52 -0500 From: Scott Turnbull Subject: Re: IN> Vessel replacement Robert Hiestand wrote: > Can you reform a vessel after undergoing sufficient Trauma for > free? Or > does it require expenditure of more experience points (3 per level, > etc). This is an interesting question and not one fully addressed in the book. IMHO I think making the players pay the points for a new vessel could open a number of plotline possibilities for the smart GM. Or course someone who already has 3 points to spare could just pay them but consider the situation where a PC dies without points. There are several interesting possibilities that present themselves for the player to 'earn' the points for the new vessel. First (and most obvious) the player could except some sort of discord, perhaps imposed on them by their archangle/prince or related to the events of the vessels death. Say the superior in question chose to gift them a copy of their old vessel back but with stigmata, twitchy, or crippled as a 'teaching' mechanism. Or perhaps the trauma of death to the celestials psyche produced cowardice, fear, or paranoia. Maybe they are granted a new body with an appropriate Geas. Any number of possibilities exist to get these points, but a GM may want to lead away from discord that severely limits a particular character. It would probably be best to keep these discords as things to add to the plotline or characters. Another possibility would be to earn these points in Heaven or Hell itself. The could create the opportunity to explore some of the workings in the Light/Dark Celestial realms. Perhaps they are to serve as a negotiator or messenger to another powerful member of the celestial community. Maybe (for an angle) it means a dissent into Hell for some vital information or to recover an item. Maybe there is something that needs accomplishment out in the Marches, for a Prince or Archangel. These situations present a lot of possibilities that could really enhance the game. Additionally, a basic point requirement for a new vessel would add to the players want to keep himself well. The trauma rules do a good job of giving death a healthy respect, but the points could make it more 'down to earth' for some players. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 02:04:21 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 actually, Hattaavah's true reason for not getting involved in kindersex is that it tends to make too *much* of an impression, drawing the attention of both Celestial and human enforcers, the sort of attention that can spoil the whole operation, and you know how DPs deal with failures... so Hattaavah sticks to no-attention consensual Porn and keeps Hell's operations going without interference. she has the depths within her to do anything, but she selfishly won't sacrifice herself needlessly, not even to further Hell's goals. this selfcentered-ness proves, beyond any doubt, that [s]he is truly a Demon. tom "...there is but one who rides my back and keeps his soul forever free, his heart is cold and will not crack, and he is as cursed as me." Heather Alexander _The Black Unicorn_ "The Black Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 04:08:13 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: Re: IN> Thanatos, Archangel of Death Azrael... was he an angel of vengenceful death, or peaceful death? I had conceived of the AA of Death as being one of peaceful death, not necessarily one involving vengence. Maybe I've been reading too much BatMan... Perry M Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 97 05:15:27 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> D.Net sniping If the "DOMINIC.NET v. 'the angelic teasers'" posts devolve into the sniping back and forth that I've seen between Ventrue and Malkavian aficionados, I'll plunge ten inch spikes into my eyes. Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 97 05:15:56 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Word Frequency >From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> >Subject: Re: IN> Word Frequency > >I always pictured Words as not being exclusive. I thought that a >given Word could be awarded to several Angels at once, all of whom >would serve that Word (not necessarily together of course). It is established in the IN NOMINE game world that only one angel and/or demon 'have' the same Word at a time. Could more than one celestial of Side have the same word? It *may* be possbile. But no one (so far) has bucked the system. Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 97 05:15:18 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@compuserve.com> Subject: IN> [LIST] Corrections As I've mentioned before, *I* will correct people who abuse the list or make a mistake. If you think someone's abuse/mistake is going uncorrected, send *me* a *private email* inquiring if I did anything about it. Public correction is as an unnecessary abuse/mistake/waste as the original post you may wish to correct. To review proper list netiquette: 1. Let your list manager take care of the corrections. You LM will correct people politely and privately in email. 2. If you think your LM is being lax, inquire of your LM as to what your LM is doing. If you don't think your LM is doing what your LM should be doing, correct your LM politely and privately in email. 3. If you are attacked and feel that you have a very personal stake in someone's abuse/mistake, let your LM know about it in private email right away and your LM will take care of it. Don't take your personal fights to the list. Peace, Moriah Your List Manager ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 97 05:15:31 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Ways of Dissonance >From: Mage Bob >Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 > >Pure to their words, thier chior, and their superior(s) is all that really >matters, I see IN as compleatly skirting the ideas of good and evil, simply >put there is "harmony" and "dissonance" for celestials and as long as they >avoid being dissonent they CANNOT Fall or Rise no matter how greedy, >lawless, evil, ugly, stupid they are (course as I've said before they wont >FALL or RISE at all just stagnate right where they are, probably why there >are relitively few malikite superiors) only dissonance can make one "fall" >(or rise for demons) and only selfishness for demons and selflessness for >angels can "tip the scales" and "improve" their station. Even this however >one can see this as simply obeying the resonance of their ultimate >superiors (god or lucifer). Well... there is that need to be Resonant with God (or Lucifer/Selfishness for the Demons). And since God defines goodness, I would think that evil and good can still be a constitutive element of an IN NOMINE game, and something every celestial has to worry about. Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 04:30:45 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: RE: IN> Ralph, Demon Prince of Apathy Ohmigod... I'm crying tears of laughter. Ralph is SO cool! My sides hurt.. :) Dude, Ralph is my most favorite Demon Prince of ALL TIME! Thank you, thank you... I want to have a Servitor of Ralph (he he he) in my next session, just to watch the PC's react to him. "Who is he?" "I don't know." "What's he doing?" "Nothing, I think." "He's one of us, right?" "A celestial, I think so... he's not breathing..." "What? Hey, you're right. Hit him, see if he makes a sound." "Ok" "Nope." "Look! He fell over!" "Crap, I guess I better sit him back up, his face is in the ground." "Yeah." "What the f@ck? is up with this sh!t?" "Who do you think he serves?" "Ummmm... well, he ain't Ofanim..." "What's WRONG with him?" "Beats me. Maybe Novalis." "Why?" "He might just be really stoned..." "No way." "Wau, I've seen people that stoned." "Really?" "Yeah, really. Up on Bong Hill. I've seen people sit for hours and not move." "Really? No way." "Way, man. I once saw this dude sit prefectly still for a whole day." "Woah..." "Yeah, I took pity on the poor bastard and sang him a song, healed his ass." "He snapped out of it?" "Nah, but it was worth a shot. He snapped out of it a few hours later." "Maybe he serves Kobal." "How do you figure?" "Well, he might be laughing on the inside." "At what?" "Us." "Oh. You wanna do get a beer or something?" "Yeah, let's do that." "What should with him?" "We could take him with us, I guess." "Okay, I'll go get my truck. Hey, maybe he serves Blandine and he's really out of it." "Nah." "Nah." "Cool truck, I'll put him in the back." "Okay, watch the paint." "What? Whatever. You want him face up or down?" "Face up, so he can see the sky." Meanwhile, our two celestials and their new found "friend" sit down to have a few cold ones... Ralph, that's SOOO cool. I have to pull this one. :) Perry M Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:33:39 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #146 > > > The NON-Canon answer to that is that is yes. I've made up > >some rules and they are being scrutinized carefully by the gods > >(small 'g') of In Nomine. Until they decide, I can't give a > >Canon answer to that question. You might note that the Children > >of the Grigori are out there and are descended from both humans > >and angels. If that's the case, it seems reasonable that two > >celestials could do so as well. > > howabout 2 vessels of the same angel? kyrio's of Michael can have more than > one vessel, and inhabit em at the same time, no reason why one cant be male > and the other female, does this just ammount to angelic masterbation? would > it offend DOMINICNET? would god himself get off his high horse to stop it? > would michael disown the angel? And what would the children look like? You are a sick, sick man, you know that? =) I would say that it still takes two or more. A certain essential sharing is required for true creation. Oh, and the children would all look like Alfred E. Neuman. Honest. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:36:49 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Dissonance On May 1, 2:17pm, Thany wrote: > Subject: IN> Dissonance > > I'm sure I asked this before, but I don't recall getting an answer: > > Can you add Dissonance to your character at creation? Sure, why not? If the GM is agreeable, that is! (They may puzzled, but as long as they don't object...) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:39:53 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) On May 1, 7:10pm, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) > At 8:52 PM -0500 4/30/97, tom timberlake wrote: > >what do you think inspired Wahtsi? you see, he was in a demonic tether > >one day, nursing wounds some !@!#@$$%%^% angel had delivered upon his > >pointy ears, when these two Lilim walked in.... > > I now have Yet Another Use for blank INWO cards... The question > is, are the hand-backed or puppet-backed cards more appropriate? > Maybe the hand-backed are for Geasa you hold, and puppet-backed for > those held on you... Oooooh, what a cool image! A Lilim holding up a tarot-like card with an image of someone on the face. It glows in her hands and someone, somewhere, is about to get a little visit... ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:52:22 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 On May 2, 1:50am, Calabim@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 > > Bravo Paul! Bravo! > > I enjoyed all four "Joe Angels" and will probably use all but #4. I won't use > #4, but that's more because I already have someone like him, than any > commentary on the character himself. > > About the only question I have is...egad. ANOTHER Kyrio question. They > possess people and critters, is it kosher for them to buy vessels? Nope. Except in special cases. (Kyrios of War and Sword have special attunements, if I remember correctly). - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:50:38 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 On May 1, 10:53pm, Robert Coon wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 > > From: Paul F. Strack > > > Hattaavah > > Djinn Servitor of Lust > > > Hattaavah hopes someday to earn a Word of Pornography from her Superior. > > There are still a few things she cannot tolerate, however. Child > > pornography drives Hattaavah into a rage. She feels that it is a waste. > > Children are too young to understand, and are not spiritually tainted by > > their explotation. There is no gain in souls for tell. If truth be > told, > > there are some depths even a demon will not sink too. This sounds like a personal preference of the Demon. If I were Lucifer (the one in charge of handing out Words), I would not allow such a limited Demon to have that Word (unless it suited me for some other scheme...). Besides, the _children_ might not be who the demonic pornographers are looking for, it might be the _readers_. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:46:23 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Word Frequency > I always pictured Words as not being exclusive. I thought that a > given Word could be awarded to several Angels at once, all of whom > would serve that Word (not necessarily together of course). If and > when the Word became worthy of Archangel status, those with the Word > would have more competition to receive the award. If one of these > Worded angels became an Archangel, they would then either be able to > transfer their loyalties to following the new archangel (with > permission from the original AA and some political maneuvering) or > could remain with their old AA and still support the new AAs Word. In > this way, simply because someone else has the Word you want doesn't > mean you can't get it as well, it just means that you'll have to work > that much harder to get it. Many servants of an Angel of Archangel can _serve_ a word, yet not be word-bound. There are a _lot_ of angels of War, but there is only one Angel Of War. (Archangel, actually.) A Word can only belong to one angel or demon (though the same Word, with variations, can be owned by both and angel AND a demon). That's not to say that celestials can't have very similar words that might have overlapping priorities. A word-bound servitor usually has a subset of his Superior's Word. Two demons might be Demon of Sneak Attacks and Demon of Betrayal. In some circumstances, their Words will overlap, but they are not identical. Of course, any GM can do something different in their campaign! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:58:25 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 "Besides, the _children_ might not be who the demonic pornographers are looking for, it might be the _readers_." Ooh. Now there's a thought. A Habbalah with just that goal in mind (luring closet pedophiles into the open to receive their just punishment) who has an array of "child" vessels for that purpose. I'm squicking myself...which means it must be done. ;) yours, - -j ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:12:36 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> Kyrios and vessels (was: Joe Angel 1 through 4) Kyriotates buying vessels: Kyrios of Michael may buy as many vessels as they like, but can't abandon any of them--meaning if you have a two force cat vessel while you have nine forces, you only have seven forces available for possession. Kyrios of Laurence _must_ buy a single vessel of a warrior who died too early and meaninglessly--I assume this means a human being--and as per Michael, can't abandon it, so a starting Kyrio of Laurence only has four forces available for possession. Kyrios of David may buy vessels of stone, which are hard to kill and move slowly. . . like the gargoyle in the example. Kyrios of Janus can't _buy_ vessels, but they can manifest as a gaseous cloud. There's at least one more superior that lets their Kyrios manifest without vessels, but I don't have the book here. . . steve > ---------- > From: John Karakash - Lucent > ASCC[SMTP:johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com] > Reply To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 3:52 PM > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 > > On May 2, 1:50am, Calabim@aol.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 > > > > Bravo Paul! Bravo! > > > > I enjoyed all four "Joe Angels" and will probably use all but #4. I > won't use > > #4, but that's more because I already have someone like him, than > any > > commentary on the character himself. > > > > About the only question I have is...egad. ANOTHER Kyrio question. > They > > possess people and critters, is it kosher for them to buy vessels? > > Nope. Except in special cases. (Kyrios of War and Sword > have special attunements, if I remember correctly). > > > -- > ___________________________________________________ > / \ > |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | > | (919)380-4629 | > | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | > | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | > | In this country we tax success most of all." | > \___________________________________________________/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> Joe Angel 1 through 4 On Fri, 2 May 1997 Calabim@aol.com wrote: > Bravo Paul! Bravo! > > I enjoyed all four "Joe Angels" and will probably use all but #4. I won't use > #4, but that's more because I already have someone like him, than any > commentary on the character himself. Thanks. Some of those were pretty off the cough. I'm glad people seem to like them > About the only question I have is...egad. ANOTHER Kyrio question. They > possess people and critters, is it kosher for them to buy vessels? The Attunements of Kyrios of David, Laurence and Michael allow them to buy Vessels. Other Kyrios are stuck with possessing hosts only. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #150 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.