From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat May 3 13:48:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11484 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:48:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05424 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:47:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 12:47:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199705031747.MAA05424@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #151 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, May 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 151 In this digest: Re: IN> D.Net sniping Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) IN> Re: Azrael Re: IN> [LIST] Corrections Re: IN> [LIST] Corrections IN> Oops, and apology IN> NPC Demon of me own... Re: IN> Word Frequency IN> More Kyrio Q&A RE: IN> Word Frequency Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET IN> Jane Demoness IN> Know The Enemy: Saminga, Valefor, Vapula (#11-13) RE: IN> Ralph, Demon Prince of Apathy Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET RE: IN> Ralph, Demon Prince of Apathy Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #150 Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> D.Net sniping On 2 May 1997, Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: > If the "DOMINIC.NET v. 'the angelic teasers'" posts devolve into the sniping > back and forth that I've seen between Ventrue and Malkavian aficionados, I'll > plunge ten inch spikes into my eyes. Into *your* eyes? That's not much insentive to stop. Why not other people's eyes? Oh wait! If you lose your eyesight, the next In Nomine book will probably be delayed for at least a month or too. I guess that's enough of a punishment to get us to stop bickering. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 I wrote: > > Hattaavah hopes someday to earn a Word of Pornography from her Superior. > > There are still a few things she cannot tolerate, however. Child > > pornography drives Hattaavah into a rage. She feels that it is a waste. > > Children are too young to understand, and are not spiritually tainted by > > their explotation. There is no gain in souls for tell. If truth be > > told, there are some depths even a demon will not sink too. On Thu, 1 May 1997, Robert Coon wrote: > Actually, I should think that there would be some sort of psychological > trauma from being in such a production. On top of this, producing such > material would likely help to encourage possible child molesters. And if > Hattaavah had some sort of compunctions against it, it seems very unlikely > she'd get the Word she wants, as there is NO depth lower than Hell's... Hmm. One of the aspects of my campaign is that many demons act evil because it is their nature to do so, not because they really *want* to. Furthering evil gives them power, and that's why they do it. Human beings with their free will are capable of much greater acts of evil, because they do it without the "rewards" of Essence and power. Demons are often shocked at how enthusiastically humans absorb and expand on demonic ideas. Conversely, humans are capable of much greater acts of goodness the angels. All of this is an idea I stole (more or less) from Good Omens by Pratchett and Gaiman. Of course, if your game is different, you could always say that it's a personal quirk of Hattaavah, and maybe even a sign that she is redeemable. Paul Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:39:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) On Thu, 1 May 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 8:52 PM -0500 4/30/97, tom timberlake wrote: > >what do you think inspired Wahtsi? you see, he was in a demonic tether > >one day, nursing wounds some !@!#@$$%%^% angel had delivered upon his > >pointy ears, when these two Lilim walked in.... > > I now have Yet Another Use for blank INWO cards... The question > is, are the hand-backed or puppet-backed cards more appropriate? > Maybe the hand-backed are for Geasa you hold, and puppet-backed for > those held on you... That's the way I would suggest. and it makes a good visual aid during play. Shadowcat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 13:57:22 -0400 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Re: Azrael PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: > > Azrael... was he an angel of vengenceful death, or peaceful death? For those of you who've been on the list a while...you might remember the right up of Azrael (Hatcher pats himself on the back for that one!) , the Angel of Vengence. I believe you can find him at Elizabeth McCoy's In Nomine Page at http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ . If you can't, then I'll send him to anyone who wants him. Please e-mail me privately for this though.... Hatcher Rhanyr BTW....For those interested, Azrael (the angel I wrote up) does have alot in common with a certain comic book character in the Batman mythos. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:29:29 -0700 From: Roger Carbol Subject: Re: IN> [LIST] Corrections Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: > As I've mentioned before, *I* will correct people who abuse the list or > make a mistake. If you think someone's abuse/mistake is going uncorrected, > send *me* a *private email* inquiring if I did anything about it. Public > correction is as an unnecessary abuse/mistake/waste as the original post you > may wish to correct. And I'd just like to publically say that heck, I think you're doing a swell job. LM is one of those roles in which you're likely to only get negative feedback. But I think Moriah is doing quite well. > To review proper list netiquette: > > 1. Let your list manager take care of the corrections. You LM will > correct people politely and privately in email. I'm not sure if this would add unnecessary heartache, but would it be possible to compile monthly stats on this sort of thing? Something like: "In the month of April, the List had: 666 regular subscribers, 111 regular posters, 333 messages. 7 warnings were issued to 3 people." Or maybe I'm the only one interested in that sort of thing. Comments, anyone? (Hey, stop writing up that Demon of Anal-Rententiveness right now!) > 2. If you think your LM is being lax, inquire of your LM as to what your > LM is doing. If you don't think your LM is doing what your LM should > be doing, correct your LM politely and privately in email. I think the LM is walking on water. Woo woo! > 3. If you are attacked and feel that you have a very personal stake in > someone's abuse/mistake, let your LM know about it in private email right > away and your LM will take care of it. Don't take your personal fights to > the list. In the meantime, stop, drop, and roll. Roger Carbol .. rog@col.ca .. faint damnation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 20:22:57 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> [LIST] Corrections On Fri, 02 May 1997 12:29:29 -0700, Roger Carbol wrote: >"In the month of April, the List had: >666 regular subscribers, >111 regular posters, >333 messages. >7 warnings were issued to 3 people." > >Or maybe I'm the only one interested in that sort of thing. Comments, >anyone? You're a djinn, right? > (Hey, stop writing up that Demon of Anal-Rententiveness right now!) Oh. Never mind. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:37:23 -0700 From: "J.D. Frazer" Subject: IN> Oops, and apology Hey Fellow Celestials, After having been thoroughly chastised (and rapped *sharply* on the nose) I tender my apologies to the list. I shoulda known a Microsoft product would only muck about with my letter format. I'm only starting to use Outlook 97, but that's no excuse, since I've been working with and in hi-tech for about twenty years now. I'll be good from now on. I better go work off some of this Dissonance. jd J.D. Frazer jd@paralynx.com Content Development Guy ParaLynx Internet "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:12:18 -0700 From: "Robert Coon" Subject: IN> NPC Demon of me own... Here's a demon I'm working on as a more interesting heavy. Enjoy, and please comment (especially on his vessel's name--I think I've heard Soto as a Japanese surname, but I'm unsure...) Bragantus Calabite Servitor of Belial. Forces: Corporeal 4, Ethereal 2, Celestial 3. Strength 7 Agility 9 Intelligence 4 Precision 4 Will 7 Perception 5 Discord: Murderous/3. Skills: Fighting/4, Acrobatics/2, Dodge/3, Fast-Talk/3, Move Silently/4, Pistol/2, Savoir-Faire/3, Emote/3. Songs: Corporeal-Charm/3. Vessel/3, Charisma +1: Jeremy Soto. Body 42. Bragantus is somewhat unique in the ranks of Belial's Calabim: a quiet and even vaguely honorable demon. He favors subtlety, trickery and deception rather than brute force, and this has served him well. His vessel, in which he goes by the name "Jeremy Soto," is a fair-faced Japanese/Anglo male of early-middle-age. Something of a "secret agent," Bragantus is most frequently given jobs which require a subtle hand or a degree of secrecy. He is especially good at assassination, as his light frame, good looks and genteel attitude make him appear non-threatening and have gotten him into the confidences of his target. He is calm, patient, even gentle, unless in combat. Bragantus is quite skilled in a form of Tai Kwon Do, and prefers not to use weapons, although he's pragmatic enough to appreciate a pistol. His major problem is his Discord; he never feels quite right until he can feel the final flutterings of his victim's heart. He does try to avoid leaving a mess, but he's had to run many times from Angelic forces hearing the echoes of his actions. He also has a habit of smoking a particularly foul-smelling brand of cigarillos, the scent of which often permeating the air around him. He also carries a utilitarian Zippo at all times, of course. Bragantus tries his best to serve his Prince as best he can, and has never been treacherous to his fellow demons--as far as anyone knows, at least. He also takes vengeance very seriously--no demon has ever pulled anything on him without dealing with his retribution. He has a subtle sense of humor, and even Kobal has found some of his actions amusing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:59:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Word Frequency In a message dated 97-05-02 05:34:47 EDT, Moriah wrote: << Could more than one celestial of Side have the same word? It *may* be possbile. But no one (so far) has bucked the system. Peace, Moriah >> Maybe yes, maybe no... I would think that for two angels to have the same word would require they have use it in a different sense. Before you can really untangle this you need to decide whether you can have two related overlapping words. (Synonyms...) Lawrence is Archangel of the Sword and is in charge of armies, which no longer use swords but are critical to war. Micheal is Archangel of War, but has powers relating to personal combat, which is useful but has very little to do with winning wars. Certainly not compared to commanding armies! These two definately overlap, and not in a way thats mutually supporting. It's as if they got transposed. Hmmmm, maybe they can avoid a turf fight by trading jobs... I tend to be reluctant to see angels garnering abilities from multiple archangels. I've decided, for my own personal game, that it just isn't done...until you get a word. Pick a word that is strategically located between two other words, and it opens the door to "cross training" and serving two superiors. (Quick but slightly boring example- You worked for Novalis, got all her distinctions and want to move on...you strive to become "The Angel of Farming" and cross train with Marc, who dabbles in agricultural sales.) I readily grant agriculture might be a little too important a word for an angel and not an archangel, but you get the idea. The main thrust is that it creates a buffer against excessive cross training while still not ruling it out altogether. It also provides a handy guidline of what's allowed. You don't have to make up a whole new set of powers and game mechanics every time someone gets a word. Or worry about what changes to game balance this may bring. All just MHO. - -Calabim@aol.com (Yeah right, how humble can he be? Did you look at that? Did you see the way he capitalized his humble opinion? Man, what an egotist....;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:18:50 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> More Kyrio Q&A At 10:52 AM -0400 5/2/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> About the only question I have is...egad. ANOTHER Kyrio question. They >> possess people and critters, is it kosher for them to buy vessels? > > Nope. Except in special cases. (Kyrios of War and Sword >have special attunements, if I remember correctly). War, Sword, and Stone, IIRC. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 97 00:30:26 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: RE: IN> Word Frequency In my campaign, I have found that sometimes the same word can be held by either side in the War, eg the AA/DP of Public Transport (they can be either a right bastard or a literal Godsend). Any other ideas about cross-over words? - -Doombu "There are things that one should never see" PS - I have only just joined this list, what is the story with digests, and how do I get them? > It is established in the IN NOMINE game world that only one angel >and/or >demon 'have' the same Word at a time. > Could more than one celestial of Side have the same word? It *may* >be >possbile. But no one (so far) has bucked the system. >Peace, >Moriah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:16:06 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET At 7:41 PM -0700 5/1/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >>Thou, sirrah or madam, are obviously a Servitor of Kobal. You >>want to think about what happens after he *comes down* and discovers >>that he's wound up in the arms of some Servitor of Lust who's dreaming >>about the bonus s/he/they is going to get from Andre(a)? Talk about >>a witch-hunt crackdown... >Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! *Eli*? *ELI*? And you want to get *DOMINIC* stoned? I thought you guys had more self-preservation than that! Right, *Balseraph* Servitor of Kobal! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:21:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Joe Demon 1 At 10:53 PM -0700 5/1/97, Robert Coon wrote: >> From: Paul F. Strack > >> Hattaavah >> Djinn Servitor of Lust > >> Hattaavah hopes someday to earn a Word of Pornography from her Superior. >> There are still a few things she cannot tolerate, however. Child >> pornography drives Hattaavah into a rage. [...] If truth be told, >> there are some depths even a demon will not sink too. > >[...] And if >Hattaavah had some sort of compunctions against it, it seems very unlikely >she'd get the Word she wants, as there is NO depth lower than Hell's... Ah, but there is -- Shedim. A *Shedite* wouldn't care. A Habbalite might. They have all the Free Will they want, and all that. (And why do you think Shedim are so *disgusting*? They'll go lower than any other generic Band and most specific demons!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:25:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) At 10:39 AM -0400 5/2/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >On May 1, 7:10pm, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) >> At 8:52 PM -0500 4/30/97, tom timberlake wrote: >> >what do you think inspired Wahtsi? you see, he was in a demonic tether >> >one day, nursing wounds some !@!#@$$%%^% angel had delivered upon his >> >pointy ears, when these two Lilim walked in.... >> >> I now have Yet Another Use for blank INWO cards... The question >> is, are the hand-backed or puppet-backed cards more appropriate? >> Maybe the hand-backed are for Geasa you hold, and puppet-backed for >> those held on you... > > > Oooooh, what a cool image! A Lilim holding up a tarot-like >card with an image of someone on the face. It glows in her hands >and someone, somewhere, is about to get a little visit... ;) (I like, I like...) Or a Lilim using one as a business card... ( "Here, keep hold of this, would you? That's a dear. Never know when you might need another helping hand.") - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:59:23 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET At 07:16 PM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 7:41 PM -0700 5/1/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >>>Thou, sirrah or madam, are obviously a Servitor of Kobal. You >>>want to think about what happens after he *comes down* and discovers >>>that he's wound up in the arms of some Servitor of Lust who's dreaming >>>about the bonus s/he/they is going to get from Andre(a)? Talk about >>>a witch-hunt crackdown... > >>Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! > >*Eli*? *ELI*? And you want to get *DOMINIC* stoned? I thought >you guys had more self-preservation than that! Right, *Balseraph* >Servitor of Kobal! Actually, I'm a mercurian of Eli. I simply serve him directly. And some of us like to watch our boss's back even when he doesn't. Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:37:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET At 6:59 PM -0700 5/2/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >At 07:16 PM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >>At 7:41 PM -0700 5/1/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >>>>Thou, sirrah or madam, are obviously a Servitor of Kobal. You >>>>want to think about what happens after he *comes down* and discovers >>>>that he's wound up in the arms of some Servitor of Lust who's dreaming >>>>about the bonus s/he/they is going to get from Andre(a)? Talk about >>>>a witch-hunt crackdown... >> >>>Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! >> >>*Eli*? *ELI*? And you want to get *DOMINIC* stoned? I thought >>you guys had more self-preservation than that! Right, *Balseraph* >>Servitor of Kobal! > >Actually, I'm a mercurian of Eli. I simply serve him directly. And some of >us like to watch our boss's back even when he doesn't. By getting Dominic doped up... Nah, nope, won't wash. Take the dissonance, Balseraph -- no direct servitor of Eli would risk getting Dominic even *more* annoyed with Creation than he already is. One of Novalis' might think about it, but I don't think Creation's Servitors want to tangle with one of the guys who drove Gaby to distraction. Balseraph. };;;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 23:26:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: IN> Jane Demoness Hi everybody, just dropping this by so that you don't think that I'm Donald's (Oops da Ogre) imaginary spouse. This is something that I've been working on for a while now. I just thought I'd share it with the list. Martizhalan- Lilim of Gluttony "Go on, Honey, have another cookie." Aunt Marti, as she's known to her friends, is one of the most unimposing demons a character is likely to meet. In fact, if you didn't know better, you might think that she was working for the Archangel of Children, Christopher. She does what she can to make them happy. Martizhalan is a relatively new demon. She was special made for Haagenti. Once she had proven her loyalty, she asked to be allowed to come to earth to better serve the Word of Gluttony. In order to do this, she has set herself up as Martha Juniper, a suburban widow. She rapidly gained the reputation around the neighborhood as the "cookie lady"- a really sweet woman who's house the kids all stop by after school for snacks. (As a matter of fact, it is Marti's aspiration to be given the Word "Cookies".) The most loyal five of these children became her flock of servants, although she would never ask them to do anthing that would put her kids in direct danger. While there servants aren't particularly powerful, they all, of course, are growing up under her infernal influence. Marti si extremely loyal to Haagenti. She gets along well with most other demons as long as they don't hurt her kids or bring unwanted attention to her quiet little operation. Corporeal Forces: 2 (Strength 3, Agility 5) Ethereal Forces: 3 (Intelligence 5, Precision 7) Celestial Forces: 4 (Will 6, Perception 10) Body Hits:12 Mind Hits: 15 Soul Hits: 24 Attunements: Lilim of Gluttony, Consume Role (Homemaker) 2/ Status 2/ Vessel 2/ Charisma 2 Description: Straight brown hair past shoulders, usually in a bun. Blue eyes. Round face and slightly plump build. Apparant age is early thirties. Songs: Celestial song of Charm/4 Skills: Lying/3, Cooking/5, Seduction/2 Resources: 5 Class 2/ Level 1 children (3 forces each) She's not much of a fighter, but she's likely to sneak right past the other side's radar. Well, back to the shadows with me... Dotti B. *Dorothy Michelle Bixler* mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:50:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Know The Enemy: Saminga, Valefor, Vapula (#11-13) This ought to wrap up the Demon Princes... (And doing Saminga was hard -- I was almost tempted to wait for Night Music...) Next, I start working on the Angelic "Know Your Diabolicals," and from there, the "same-side" political views. I *would* put in a KTE from the Demon Prince of Secrets or whatever it was in "Feast of Blades" (the GM-screen adventure pack), but my local GM hasn't let me do more than look at some of the pictures. Phoo. And anyone who wants a KTE for a non-canon DP will have to pester the creator of the DP him or herself. [When I started these, I could have sworn others would jump on the bandwagon and do their own... I guess I worked too well? (%) <-- Kyrio Smiley #4] - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Know The Enemy A comprehensive course for young demons, in determining the strengths and weaknesses of The Enemy. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- #11: As delivered by a Servitor of Saminga (Death) Choirs ====== Seraphim: They tell the truth, they know the truth. They usually have wimpy vessels. Good rite-fodder. Cherubim: Harder to kill. Go for the fixation. That upsets them. Ofanim: Hard to hit. Elohim: They know emotions. Often wimps. Good rite-fodder. Malakim: Tough to kill. Get a Calabite. Kyriotates: They use hosts, get mad if you kill one. Amusing. Mercurians: They like live humans. Ick. Usually rite-fodder, some will fight. Servitors of... =============== Blandine: Sleeping people die good. David: They fight. Sometimes have human buddies. Lots of fun, if you get the drop on them. Dominic: Come in threes. Not worth the effort. Eli: They talk about "natural cycles." Don't listen, just kill their vessels. They like humans to live; make them stop. Gabriel: Watch out -- they find you, sometimes real easy, and chase you around. Fighters. Janus: Show up, fight some, go away. Annoying. Jean: Techies can be wimps. Don't count on it all the time, though. Jordi: Unimportant. Animals die too. Laurence: They hate us. All noble, protecting humans, that kind of thing. Marc: Unimportant, except for vending machines. But some of those, you can make the stuff go bad... Michael: War, death -- simple, right? They don't see that. Novalis: Flowers and peace and harmony. Ick. Use *lots* of agent orange. Yves: Weeeeeiiiiird. Will fight for some, not for others. Can't figure them out. Don't try, just make them go away. Trauma is good way to keep them away. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- #12: As delivered by a Servitor of Valefor (Theft) Choirs ====== Seraphim: They see through your alibis like nobody's business. Don't let the Balseraph explain to *these* guys, or you'll get a hurting Bal. Cherubim: Watch out for these guys if they're attuned to what you've got in your pocketses. Otherwise, just steer clear of their infatuation, and you're home free -- they won't follow you far. Ofanim: Speedy dudes. You could almost like them, except so many of them are so nice-nice; they'd be great for getaway cars. As it is, they're always on the *wrong* side of the car-chase -- the one that's not yours. Elohim: They don't get ruffled, and they unruffle other people after you've done a perfectly good B&E. "It's only property," they can say, and get humans agreeing. They're a bunch of spoilsports! Malakim: These guys play bad cop/worse cop, and they keep getting their signals crossed about who's supposed to be the *worse* cop. They're a perfect reason for our motto: "Don't Get Caught." Kyriotates: Ever get the feeling you're being watched? The critter patrol's only redeeming feature is that you can hold it hostage against itself, for a few moments. Don't let animals hang around watching you pick the locks. Mercurians: Snappy dressers, but don't get them too riled. Even if they are cute when they're angry. Servitors of... =============== Blandine: Boooooring. Stealing dreams is Kronus' job, and he's welcome to it. David: Perfectly happy to start a gang-war against you when you breeze into town. This can be refreshing, but gets old quick. At least the Stonies can't hit you first, so you get a chance to escape with the goods. Dominic: Not usualy very interesting, but if you can steal away an Outcast from them, they get the *coolest* expressions! Eli: Steal all you want, they'll make more! Cute lot, too: sometimes it's worth pretending you're Windys, see if you can steal any hearts! Gotta watch it, though -- it's safer to play games with Flowerchildren. Gabriel: These people have some idea that you're in it to get your kicks from making humans upset... Well, okay, that too -- but the adrenalin charge is pretty good! Still, watch out for the gal's Seraphim and Ofanim -- especially those bounty-hunting Ofanim! -- since they just don't give up! Janus: Like "Wind" is any compition to *Theft*. Okay, they're hard to hold onto, and they've got some interesting abilities... That doesn't mean that we're not Numero Uno around here! Still, keep your secret handshake and decoder ring -- sometimes, well, it's a little hard to tell, and it's always nasty to get into an unexpected rumble. They'll be happy to chase you, too. Jean: Hey, you'd think he'd be *happy* about the big V taking that Tesla dude's cancer-cure away! But nooooooo... Watch out for gizmos when these guys are around. Jordi: Just don't steal any pets -- you might get a nasty surprise. Laurence: Oh, man, sometimes it's just *too* easy. These are the people who will help little old ladies across the street and only figure it out afterwards that you just picked their pockets. Marc: These folks are funny -- they can't stand us wandering off with stuff without paying for it. *Especially* not *their* stuff. C'mon, isn't it undignified for celestials to be so attached to corporeal things? You gotta point this out to them, right? Michael: Another group with no sense of humor -- and if you can't get the weapons (or ammo) away from them while their backs are turned, weeelllll, maybe it's time to move on. Novalis: Peace, love, joy! It's so fun to go around disturbing the peace! They don't usually have that much to steal, but at least they don't do more than call the cops on ya. Some of them are even cute. Yves: His guys don't like Kronos, which makes 'em pretty decent -- for angels. Just don't remind them that the Big V got something from their boss's library - --------------------------------------------------------------------- #13: As delivered by a Servitor of Vapula (Technology) [Possibly a Habbalite...] Choirs ====== Seraphim: These angels are most inconvenient when you are attempting to sell something to someone. In short, they are akin to Dilbertian Engineers, who cannot keep their mouths shut about minor little things such as side-effects. Cherubim: This Choir is rarely much of a problem, save in the "muscle" department -- they make decent thugs, if often a bit fixated. Ofanim: Dangerously flighty and probably as prone to breaking equipment as Calabim -- they are certainly responsible for wear and tear on vehicles. A pity they do not cause more accidents... Elohim: They try to stave off the human demoralization inherent in a progressive technological society. It is really quite fascinating, but sometimes they actually make some kind of difference. It is a pity they do not understand their true calling. Malakim: They are violent, destructive creatures, second only to Calabim for mass destruction. Keep them away from breakables, such as your equipment, and your vessel. Kyriotates: It is a sad thing when you must be wary of every lab animal around, but sometimes you must. They may also turn up as night watchmen or lab assistants. Be careful of anyone acting out of the ordinary. Mercurians: Their resonance is for people, not technology. Nevertheless, they can sometimes outwit even Marketing. Servitors of... =============== Blandine: One must simply persuade humans that what *you* have to sell -- waking dreams -- is better than what these Servitors are giving away. Even if there are just one or two bugs in the creation, at least it's something mortals can touch. David: You would think these Servitors would be more grateful for the things we have given humanity -- our weapons are most effective. A shame they cannot understand this, or appreciate the guns we devise. Dominic: Usually not concerned with our business, and we need not concern ourselves with theirs. If our paths do not cross, there is no reason to seek them out. Eli: That the makers of artifacts -- the Elohim and Mercurians of Creation -- are allowed to run around loose proves the inherent weakness of this group. It also affords opportunities to make them even more scarce, by placing them in Trauma. Gabriel: Fanatical and persistant, with a decidedly un-enlightened approach to the world. They really should join the 20th century, rather than running around attempting to slaughter those of us who only want to...help. Janus: Highly annoying types. They will attempt to steal your artifacts for no other reason than because it amuses them. Jean: Our chief adversary. Fortunately, hide-bound and unimaginative, seemingly unaware that Technology *wants* to be free and reproduce! If you want something to get loose, you can always release it on the Net; but be quick and cunning, for the Kyrios of Lightning make efficient cancel'bots! Jordi: "Back to nature" sorts, and another reason to keep a wary eye (and accurate count) on your laboratory animals. Laurence: Only worth mentioning for their disturbing tendency to hunt down those they call demons, for no particularly good reason. Marc: They have the nerve to say that we're not making fair deals with humans, just because we neglect to give bug reports! Really, now, if the invention works, what does the human have to complain about? Michael: Another unreasonable group with too much time on their violent hands. Novalis: Slightly less fanatical than Jordi's lot, these are still "Green" angels, and have no understanding about the features of Technology. They simply cannot be spoken to in any sort of reasonable way, and must usually be dealt with via the application of sufficient force. Yves: Surprisingly, these angels will sometimes seek to interfere in your activities. It can be most disquieting, as they are relatively subtle in their meddling. However, similar tactics as those that work on the Servitors of Lightning -- quickness and cunning -- have been known to be effective against the angels of Destiny. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:42:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: RE: IN> Ralph, Demon Prince of Apathy On Fri, 2 May 1997, PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: > Ohmigod... I'm crying tears of laughter. [snip] Now I am too... not so much because of Ralph (I actually thought he was kind of stupid), but because of the discourse you provided. I just watched _Stoned Age_ on USA, and the two character's voices fit in quite nicely, especially around the Bong Hill part :) (If you haven't seen _Stoned Age_ and don't get this, well... whatever.) Also, has anyone thought of doing a more serious Prince of Apathy? - -- "It was when I received the endorsement of Alec Guiness that I knew the Force was with us." - Martin Bell, MP for Tatton Disclaimer: They're my opinions, but they're your problem. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 02:01:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET On Sat, 3 May 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 6:59 PM -0700 5/2/97, Hollis McCray wrote: > >At 07:16 PM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>At 7:41 PM -0700 5/1/97, Hollis McCray wrote: > >>>Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! > >>*Eli*? *ELI*? And you want to get *DOMINIC* stoned? I thought > >>you guys had more self-preservation than that! Right, *Balseraph* > >>Servitor of Kobal! > >Actually, I'm a mercurian of Eli. I simply serve him directly. And some of > >us like to watch our boss's back even when he doesn't. > By getting Dominic doped up... Nah, nope, won't wash. Take the > dissonance, Balseraph -- no direct servitor of Eli would risk > getting Dominic even *more* annoyed with Creation than he already > is. One of Novalis' might think about it, but I don't think > Creation's Servitors want to tangle with one of the guys who > drove Gaby to distraction. I think that might even be beyond Novalis' doing... but, then, who WOULD dope Dom? > Balseraph. };;;> Kyrio. :) :) :) :) - -- "It was when I received the endorsement of Alec Guiness that I knew the Force was with us." - Martin Bell, MP for Tatton Disclaimer: They're my opinions, but they're your problem. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 09:05:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: RE: IN> Ralph, Demon Prince of Apathy On Sat, 3 May 1997, Thany wrote: > > Also, has anyone thought of doing a more serious Prince of Apathy? That wouldn't exactly be an easy task. You run up against the problems outlined in Ralph's writeup - first off, how did the Prince prove himself worthy of the Word of Apathy? Now that he's got it, what does he do with it? What sort of servitors would actively devote themselves to Apathy? The basic catch-22 is that if you're doing anything in the name of Apathy, you're betraying it at the same time. Ralph seems like one of the few ways of getting around that... - -- Scott Johnson | zagyg@io.com | This space intentionally left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 10:28:07 -0400 From: John Maurer Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET At 12:37 AM 5/3/97 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 6:59 PM -0700 5/2/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >>>>>Thou, sirrah or madam, are obviously a Servitor of Kobal. You >>>>>want to think about what happens after he *comes down* and discovers >>>>>that he's wound up in the arms of some Servitor of Lust who's dreaming >>>>>about the bonus s/he/they is going to get from Andre(a)? Talk about >>>>>a witch-hunt crackdown... >>> >>>>Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! >>> >>>*Eli*? *ELI*? And you want to get *DOMINIC* stoned? I thought >>>you guys had more self-preservation than that! Right, *Balseraph* >>>Servitor of Kobal! >> >>Actually, I'm a mercurian of Eli. I simply serve him directly. And some of >>us like to watch our boss's back even when he doesn't. > >By getting Dominic doped up... Nah, nope, won't wash. Take the >dissonance, Balseraph -- no direct servitor of Eli would risk >getting Dominic even *more* annoyed with Creation than he already >is. One of Novalis' might think about it, but I don't think >Creation's Servitors want to tangle with one of the guys who >drove Gaby to distraction. I think I would like to second the eye poking out for the continuing saga going on here. For a few posts it was cute, but after a while it grows stale. I don't want to killfile either Elizabeth or Hollis because when they aren't playing they write great stuff, but I get over 100 e-mails a day and can't waste time with this. This list is ABOUT role-playing not FOR role-playing. Would it be too much to ask that this go to some private e-mail? Thanks. Speaks >Balseraph. };;;> P. S. The emoticon *IS* cute. "He was possessed of every art and grace except for that of making his own living" -Cold Comfort Farm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 11:13:21 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #150 >>Is it just me, or is anyone else growing tired of the rather unfunny >>rantings of dominic.net? I'm beginning to think that dominic.net is >>one of the best jokes Kobal has ever played. Convince Heaven to take >>on a net aspect and then laugh yourself stupid while they keep >>throwing their rather repetitive and predictable comments in the view >>that they are amusing. >> >>Leath. Weeeeeeeeeell, just so long as we're not getting *personal* about it or anything. You'll pardon the poor chaps at DominicNet for not meeting your obviously high class standards of taste? > >If the "DOMINIC.NET v. 'the angelic teasers'" posts devolve into the sniping >back and forth that I've seen between Ventrue and Malkavian aficionados, I'll >plunge ten inch spikes into my eyes. > >Peace, > >Moriah Don't worry about it, Moriah, your vision remains intact. If DominicNet is disliked *that* badly, I'll cut their connection to the list. - -Rogue, He Who Is Now Properly Chastised, Kind Sirs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:02:35 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET At 12:37 AM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 6:59 PM -0700 5/2/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >>At 07:16 PM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >>>At 7:41 PM -0700 5/1/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >>>>>Thou, sirrah or madam, are obviously a Servitor of Kobal. You >>>>>want to think about what happens after he *comes down* and discovers >>>>>that he's wound up in the arms of some Servitor of Lust who's dreaming >>>>>about the bonus s/he/they is going to get from Andre(a)? Talk about >>>>>a witch-hunt crackdown... >>> >>>>Actually, I serve Eli. And it's Sir. Btw, thanx for some good stuff! >>> >>>*Eli*? *ELI*? And you want to get *DOMINIC* stoned? I thought >>>you guys had more self-preservation than that! Right, *Balseraph* >>>Servitor of Kobal! >> >>Actually, I'm a mercurian of Eli. I simply serve him directly. And some of >>us like to watch our boss's back even when he doesn't. > >By getting Dominic doped up... Nah, nope, won't wash. Take the >dissonance, Balseraph -- no direct servitor of Eli would risk >getting Dominic even *more* annoyed with Creation than he already >is. One of Novalis' might think about it, but I don't think >Creation's Servitors want to tangle with one of the guys who >drove Gaby to distraction. > >Balseraph. };;;> I'm just trying to get Dom to lighten up. Yes, he needs to do his job, but he needs to cut back on the zealousnes a bit. And, BTW, Dominic judges the heavenly host, bu who judges Dominic? Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #151 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.