From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue May 6 12:40:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24624 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:40:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20171 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:55:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:55:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199705061555.KAA20171@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #154 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, May 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 154 In this digest: Re: IN> thought... Re: IN> Card games Re: IN> Jane Demoness IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #153 [none] Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET [none] Re: IN> Dominic Re: IN> Card games IN> Re: Songs and non-mundane vessels Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #152 Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET IN> 5 elephants, er elements... IN> Special request from the AA of Children Re: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... IN> Re: your mail IN> Re: dominic.net Re: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... Re: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... IN> Who is Who's Boss?? [Was 5 elephants, er elements...] IN> Re: Making GURPS Popular(Not Blasphemous) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:20:46 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> thought... > > > (Wind), why no angel of Water? I guess Novalis gets some of that, but I > > > am a bit curious anyway.. > > > > > The Aristotlean elements are just an idea made by mankind -- there's > > nothing that says that they all have to be represented in Heaven... > > > > Although, interestingly enough, aren't the Chinese elements all represented > > in Heaven as well (except Water, if that is one... I can't recall...)? > > > The Chinese elements are Earth, Fire, Metal, Water and Wood. That's two > out of five I'm afraid. :) Two of five are handled by one superior (Stone=Earth,Metal) and Novalis has Wood. Water still gets left out, though. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:25:02 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Card games On May 4, 10:25pm, tom timberlake wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Card games > an INteresting idea. hmmm...ok, put me down as another guinea pig, > erh... volunteer for playtesting any as yet unrealized IN card game. it > would be a good way to get a taste of the setting, the World of Angels, > so to speak, without having to worry about how many points a vessel > cost, how many points to put into a fighting skill, etc... 1 question: > is Patrick going to move to Oklahoma or am I going to have to move to > Australia, so he and I can sit across the table to playtest the cards? I > don't see playtesting by IRC as being a completely viable option, though > I suppose he and I could each serve as a nucleus for separate playtest > groups. well, we'll see what develops.... Any good playtest involves several groups. Time and time again, it's been discovered (especially for CCG's) that one group will get 'tunnel vision' and miss certain loopholes or entertaining strategies. For example, in INWO some of the German players are absolutely cutthroat when it comes to tournament games. Apparentely good ideas are generated by a few key players and then propogate through the community. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:01:34 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Jane Demoness "Hi everybody, just dropping this by so that you don't think that I'm Donald's (Oops da Ogre) imaginary spouse." Everybody...HI, DOTTIE! "As a matter of fact, it is Marti's aspiration to be given the Word 'Cookies'." With this word, as with Beleth's, comes a unique band of Servitor imps known as the Keeblerim. yours, - -j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:33:38 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #153 > >True, but Dominic seems to concentrate on some Archangels and their >servitors more than others.... >Hollis McCray >Madman at Large >email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us > That's because some ArchAngels are more suspicious! Take Laurence, for instance. He is steady, trustworthy, reliable. His servitors are the same way, for the most part. Dominic still keeps an eye on him, but mostly he doesn't need to. Eli, on the other hand, is nowhere to be found. Nobody knows what the hell he is doing. *somebody* has to keep an eye on this situation before it escalates! >Dominic is the Judge, God is the appeals court. He took Uriel back up >to (higher) Heaven, and aquitted Michael when Dominic found him >guilty. Also, if you read the descriptions, Dominic is respectful of >Yves almost to the point of fear (yes, that's right). Dominic hates >Gabriel and wants her head on a platter, but won't because Yves >protects her. Yves doesn't protect Michael, but God does, and no-one >protects Eli (not even himself) so he gets persecuted. If you peel >back the layers, I think Dominic can't 'lighten up' because people >will see that deep down he is truly an insecure bully who is too >cowardly to pick on anyone who can stand up to him. >Kick-them-while-they're-down and Pick-on-the-smaller-kid. Picture >this. If Dominic was hunting Eli and Eli came up to Dom in all his >Celestial glory and said "What?" who do you think would back down >first? Whose Word is top dog around here? > >Just something to think about. >Leath. I'm going to have to disagree with you here, Leath. All of the following is INMHO, of course. First off- Dominic does not hate anyone. Not even Gabriel or Eli. He does, however, feel they need to be controlled. And for good reason. It says right in Gabriel's description that she's mad. Would *you* want a crazy person managing a large portion of your army? The same goes for Eli- his gallavanting needs to be stopped before it does any more damage. Already many of Eli's servitors are losing faith, and who can blame them? Both of those ArchAngels are loose cannons, and Dominic is working to keep them from blowing up in Heaven's face. Secondly- if Dominic only picks on those who can't defend themselves, why did he bring Michael to trial? Is the ArchAngel of War defenseless? Dominic's charges may have been overdone, but they were *true.* Michael was vainglorious, and prideful. Dominic's prosection was his *job*. That God intervened is a good thing, of course. He gave Michael special permission, so to speak. But it doesn't change the fact that Dominic was right; Michael had broken Heaven's rules. And Dominic would *not* be afraid to challenge anybody in Heaven if he felt it right. Yves himself could start spouting the Gospel of Lucifer and Dominic would be right there in his face. If Eli did present himself, Dominic would not back down. He would ask for an explanation of Eli's actions, and judge the Angel of Creation that way. [snip Dominic's story] Wonderful! Dominic's story is exactly how I think he feels- dissapointed in himself for not stopping the Fall, worried about another. >> Dominic would ask that Eli explain what he has been doing. There is *no* >> way that Dominic would back down from fear. The guy took on Michael! >> Satan himself is frightened of Michael... > >Not the way I see it. Dominic would stand up before Eli and say "Thou >art a heretic. I cast you down from God's sight." Then Eli would pat >Dominic on the head and say "Sorry, I don't think so." Dominic would >just collapse from being shown up again in front of Heaven, and his >brave front would shatter, and everyone would be able to see him for >the coward he had become. This is probably what he would need in >order to heal himself and become what he was. > >Leath. You are, of course, welcome to your own interp of Dominic in your campaign. For me, though, I don't think of him as a coward. I think of him as a lonely, courageous being, striving to prevent a repeat of Heaven's greatest tragedy the only way, the best way he knows how. - -Rogue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: [none] i've got two questions for those more wise than i: 1) if a celestial has sung the song of shields, than can she attack? i said no because the text reads (i haven't got my book on me) something like a shield through which no corporeal attack can be made. well, that's paraphrased but it ruled that if you could attack the song was too powerful. 2) can celestial make a vessel of any creature? if u could create a human vessel can you also make a monster vessel? i had a demon in my campaign do just that. he used it to terrify a servant he had. jahon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:56:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET On Mon, 5 May 1997, Leathal Weapon wrote: > In reply to: > > > No-one who is a coward is *ever* going to try to pick on Michael! Who is > > scarier to have as an enemy in the whole of Heaven? Gabriel isn't exactly > > a push-over either. If there's one thing you've got to give Dominic, he > > isn't afraid to step on *anyone's* toes. (Now, you may say that he steps > > on too many toes, but that's another issue) > > I'm not saying that Dom was always a coward, but I think he is now. He could have changed, but there mere fact that Eli isn't around to defend himself doesn't show that he *has*. Dominic may have perfectly valid concerns about Eli. > Back when he accused Michael of Heresy, he would have had Heaven's > backing because they didn't know better and after all, it was > Dominic's job. Therefore they'd all back Dominic. Michael may be > strong, but he's VERY loyal to God, so wouldn't have simply kicked > Dom's butt for doing a job he was supposed to do, trusting that 'the > system' would work. It didn't, and he got persecuted, leaving him > with a hatred of Dominic. God intervened and aquitted Michael. But he didn't declare him innocent - just needed. Its not clear that the system didn't work - just that Heaven can't do without Michael, guilty or not. > All of > a sudden, all of Heaven can see that Dominic isn't always right, Who says Dominic wasn't right about Michael? Not God. > and > that his power isn't absolute, so he loses followers. Yves is their > next favourite so they follow him. Dominic is shaken by the > experience, but sees Gabriel being 'heretical' by talking to mortals, > so he tries to persecute her. This *could* be so, but it doesn't *have* to be. Gabriel is nuts! Or at least, she's giving a pretty good impression of being nuts! > Yves intervenes and Gabriel storms off. > Dom's lost his target and most of Heaven is against him for that one. I'm not so sure that they are. I would think that many of Heavens denizens are a bit worried about Gabriel. > So his confidence is shaken. He loks for another target. Eli has gone > mortal, so therefore MUST be turning to evil. Better still, he > doesn't have that many allies, and he won't even defend himself. > Finally someone Dominic can pick on for a long time without fear of > obvious retribution (either from other Archangels or from the Boss > Himself). So Dominic sends his followers to seek out 'heretics' among > the lesser angels, and only persecutes Eli himself, whilst > maintaining a strong front. He's afraid of being publicly shown to be > wrong again, so won't risk it. Or he could just be investigating anyone who's acting suspiciously - like Michael, Gabriel and Eli. Do you not think that these Archangels don't all *deserve* investigation? Michael was guilty, Gabriel is crazy and who knows *what* Eli is up to. I'm not saying that Dominic *isn't* a paranoid bad cop, but I *do* insist that the case against him is largely heresay. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: [none] if anyone out there is in the cincinnati area and knows of a store caarrying the white hardback IN please respond. or if anyone knows how i could order it please do the same jahon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 16:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Dominic this is in regards to the dominic story, that was great. that was quite similar to the way my players and i pictured him. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:28:38 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Card games At 1:59 PM -0400 5/4/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > Heh. I'm kicking around some ideas based on the SJ version. >[...] there might be a variety of possible goals >per game (sway a certain number of humans, control a certain number >of servants, establish the right number of tethers and, of course, >utterly destroy your opponent). INWO: In Nomine World Order. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:19:26 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: Songs and non-mundane vessels At 3:10 PM -0400 5/5/97, gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: >i've got two questions for those more wise than i: > >1) if a celestial has sung the song of shields, than can she attack? i >said no because the text reads (i haven't got my book on me) something >like a shield through which no corporeal attack can be made. well, that's >paraphrased but it ruled that if you could attack the song was too powerful. Iiiigh. I'd let the celestial attack though it, I think... >2) can celestial make a vessel of any creature? if u could create a human >vessel can you also make a monster vessel? i had a demon in my campaign >do just that. he used it to terrify a servant he had. You can do it, but switching back and forth between them is almost as noisy as just going celestial (Forces +1 essence, rather than Forces+2 essence...). - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:28:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #152 At 8:37 PM -0500 5/4/97, RogueLdr wrote: [...] >>> >Remember, when Uriel got out of hand, he was recalled to the upper >>> >Heavens by the almighty. Same thing could happen again. >> >>> It SHOULD! >> >>Are you against celestials being investigated in principle? Heaven may >>not be swarming with double-agents, but if there were no Dominic, you can >>bet it *would* be! > >Pre-cisely! While the Servitors of Dominic can be (and usually are?) real hard cases -- this one would GM them as doing what was right when confronted with facts... In a (so far quasi-hypothetical) segment, a trio was investigating a couple of Creation-servitors (in service to others) who were "harboring a demon"... (My Gray Lilim...) The trio of Judgment got to questioning her, and she said something about, as far as she knew, the two angels were in no danger of falling, and she personally didn't intend to try to tempt them. The Seraph of Judgment got that 6 on the CD. No, barring celestial intervention, the two angels of Creation (in service to others) were in no danger of Tripping or Falling, and not only would this demon not wish to Trip them, she'd probably wind up trying to *keep* them from such dangers... [Something she wouldn't admit to herself, frankly.] Though they took it with rather ill grace, the trio declared they had enough data and packed up and blew out in record time. (The Seraph had gotten some other data from a 6 CD that was Quite Interesting, and needed to be written up for a report when the boss dropped by.) They would dearly have loved to uncover something -- but even more dearly, they wanted proof *either way*. Given proof that they did not need to be hunting down proto-Outcasts, they left. Not politely, not necessarily graciously, but they didn't try to manufacture what was not there. So while they're not happy about the way some angels bend the Rules-As-Judgment-Sees-Them, they're also not in the business of toasting angels who are *not* dissonant, Discordant, or Outcast. They are merely in the business of making very, very sure that there is, indeed, none of the above to be found... [Gak. And there, Bodhi, would be a capper on that Lilim-Elohite soap opera I was talking about earlier. Elohite of Judgment, anyone? Could it *happen*?? Is there any way that "consorting with the 'enemy'" could be *non*-heretical enough for a Servitor of Judgment to allow it to happen to himself?] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:44:25 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET i have to disagree with this description of dominic. first of all he is not fallen so he shouldn't be so selfish. secondly he's a seraphim and probably should seem to always do what he feels is right. i believe that he would have known God would aquit Michael and did it just to keep him in line. like the name taker in school, he just does what he is supposed to. though he's not popular for it, its what he has to do. he's a good being with a good heart buthas to keep angels on thier toes. jahon On Mon, 5 May 1997, Leathal Weapon wrote: > In reply to: > > . And, BTW, Dominic judges the > > > heavenly host, bu who judges Dominic? > > > > God. > > > Dominic is the Judge, God is the appeals court. He took Uriel back up > to (higher) Heaven, and aquitted Michael when Dominic found him > guilty. Also, if you read the descriptions, Dominic is respectful of > Yves almost to the point of fear (yes, that's right). Dominic hates > Gabriel and wants her head on a platter, but won't because Yves > protects her. Yves doesn't protect Michael, but God does, and no-one > protects Eli (not even himself) so he gets persecuted. If you peel > back the layers, I think Dominic can't 'lighten up' because people > will see that deep down he is truly an insecure bully who is too > cowardly to pick on anyone who can stand up to him. > Kick-them-while-they're-down and Pick-on-the-smaller-kid. Picture > this. If Dominic was hunting Eli and Eli came up to Dom in all his > Celestial glory and said "What?" who do you think would back down > first? Whose Word is top dog around here? > > Just something to think about. > Leath. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:34:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> DOMINIC.NET At 1:46 PM -0700 5/4/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >At 02:32 PM 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Are you against celestials being investigated in principle? Heaven may >>not be swarming with double-agents, but if there were no Dominic, you can >>bet it *would* be! >True, but Dominic seems to concentrate on some Archangels and their >servitors more than others.... Some Archangels (despite being indisuptably and insufferably Cool) are more enigmatic than others -- and if this chaotic behavior is allowed to continue, allowed to seep into the general angelic population without any sort of counter... The Grigori took mortal lovers, generated mortal and immortal children, and forgot their mission -- and that was *before* the Fall! (Or so is implied.) An entire *Choir* was excommunicated [*], banned forever from the glories of Heaven, along with their immortal children. If the Archangel of Creation has gone bad, then the evil *must* be stopped as quickly as possible, before the rot of heresy claims too many of the Servitors of Creation, or spreads to those of Flower or Animals -- not to mention the Wind, Destiny (!!!), and Dreams! Every angel lost is a tragedy -- would you have those of Judgment sit by and watch as angels Fall, seduced by mortal pleasures, betrayed by their Superior by his lack of guidance, stolen away to serve a *Demon Prince* of "Creation" if the worst that Judgment fears came to pass...? If their Superior won't take responsibility for keeping the lines drawn for his Servitors, well, then some other Superior needs to step in and make sure that they don't let those lines blur utterly... And it's not like the dissonance-conditions of their "temporary" Superiors will do it! (Dirty trick, that!) So Dominic and Judgment must take up the slack that Eli left behind when he irresponsibly abandoned his duties. They are not attuned to the Word of Judgment, and of course cannot understand that they are watched out of a desire to protect, even a "tough love," rather than to persecute them for the insanity of their creator and Superior. (And if he's not doing something shameful and shady, why won't Eli sit still and get asked a few questions to clear up the mystery? Why is he always moving around? Is he *avoiding* the angels of Judgment? Why would you avoid the cops, if you didn't have something "bad" on your conscience to hide...?) [ARGH! Why are you making me defend Dominic's side of things? At this rate, I'm going to find some game where I'm *running* one of the poker-spined humorless little... Elohim or Seraphim. And hope to the Ethereal Gods that someone else has Yves' Divine Logic attunement, to keep my character from writing every other PC up on charges all the time. "Isn't that... Oh, I see, I guess that's not heretical after all. Carry on, then."] [*] Excommunicated -- not Fallen. I believe there are nuances here... Very Fascinating nuances. >Hollis McCray, Madman at Large. >"No matter where you go, there you are." -Buckaroo Banzai [ Look! 7 lines to 2! That makes me feel *so* much better...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 19:51:28 -0500 From: Mage Bob Subject: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... >The Chinese elements are Earth, Fire, Metal, Water and Wood. That's two >out of five I'm afraid. :) wrong 4 outta five Earth -> david Fire -> Gabriel Metal -> Laurence Wood -> Novalis Water -> (none, but it could be a normal angel UNDER Marc, tough it would probably be shipping who is a DAMN clever angel, cuz shipping has almost nothing to do with ships but he still has a powerful word! :) ~Mage Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 97 00:48:36 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: IN> Special request from the AA of Children Just a quick message on behalf of the AA of Children, please take the time to read it... Houghton-Mifflin publishing company is giving books to children's hospitals; how many books they give depends on how many e-mails they receive from people around the world. For every 25 e-mails they receive, they will give 1 book. All you have to do is e-mail: share@hmco.com and type a message saying "children's hospitals book drive program" Hope you can spare a few seconds ... let your friends know. So far they've only received 3,400 messages ... last year they got 23,000. I think it would be great if we could kick it up to 30,000 . Please forward this mail to ANYONE you know. Thanks for your help (passed on for a friend). This came from a friend of mine, and seems to be the most spam-worthy piece of mail I've gotten. Keep sending it please! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:32:24 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... In reply to: > >The Chinese elements are Earth, Fire, Metal, Water and Wood. That's two > >out of five I'm afraid. :) > > wrong 4 outta five > Earth -> david > Fire -> Gabriel > Metal -> Laurence > Wood -> Novalis > Water -> (none, but it could be a normal angel UNDER Marc, tough it would > probably be shipping who is a DAMN clever angel, cuz shipping has almost > nothing to do with ships but he still has a powerful word! :) It depends on what the elements are metaphorically supposed to stand for. Yes Laurence could be metal, or that could also fall under David's realm. I'm not sure exactly what the Chinese philosophy behind water was, but in my mind, Blandine seems to fit a watery ideal. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: IN> Re: your mail On Mon, 5 May 1997 gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: > 1) if a celestial has sung the song of shields, than can she attack? i > said no because the text reads (i haven't got my book on me) something > like a shield through which no corporeal attack can be made. well, that's > paraphrased but it ruled that if you could attack the song was too powerful. The shield blocks *all* physical attacks, including those of the singer. Of course, the singer can still attack beings that are inside the shield. You could (for example) trap an opponent inside you shield and then trash him. > 2) can celestial make a vessel of any creature? if u could create a human > vessel can you also make a monster vessel? i had a demon in my campaign > do just that. he used it to terrify a servant he had. I don't see any reason why not. However, if you want the monster vessel to have any "powers", you will probably need to get Numinous Corpus. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 02:37:00 EDT From: auspex@juno.com (Auspex OF Patchwork) Subject: IN> Re: dominic.net no. just m&ms and manacotti <-(bad joke) auspex http://www.trailerpark.com/tequila/auspex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:17:52 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: Re: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... Well, just want to say hi - I'm a first time poster, but I Mage Bob writes: >>The Chinese elements are Earth, Fire, Metal, Water and Wood. >>That's two out of five I'm afraid. :) > >wrong 4 outta five >Earth -> david >Fire -> Gabriel Nothing but agreement. >Metal -> Laurence I don't think his word extends that far - in fact, I'm having problems with his word as written. I think I'm going to rule that his word is actually a much larger celestial phrase, but the best translation that could be easily read is Sword. The question is, what does his word truely cover? What's the official word on this (not that I'll listen much, but it'd be nice to know...)? Plus, I thought the five were Earth, Fire, Wood, Water, and Air, or am I going nuts? >Wood -> Novalis Ditto fire and earth. >Water -> (none, but it could be a normal angel UNDER Marc, though >it would probably be shipping who is a DAMN clever angel, cuz >shipping has almost nothing to do with ships but he still has a >powerful word! :) Probably not - like you said, shipping and water are not inter- related anymore. But that does bring up a good question - if there is a angel of Water somewhere, who does the angel of water shipping report to - the angel of water or the angel of shipping? In other words, how do you decide the superior when a Word would fall under two superior's words? ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:34:51 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> 5 elephants, er elements... Dear Elementalists At 07:51 PM 5/5/97 -0500, Mage Bob wrote: >>The Chinese elements are Earth, Fire, Metal, Water and Wood. That's two >>out of five I'm afraid. :) > >wrong 4 outta five >Earth -> david >Fire -> Gabriel >Metal -> Laurence >Wood -> Novalis >Water -> (none, but it could be a normal angel UNDER Marc, tough it would >probably be shipping who is a DAMN clever angel, cuz shipping has almost >nothing to do with ships but he still has a powerful word! :) Just flashing back to my days playing Bushido (not a reference to the "Swords" thread) and recall that Water magic has a bit to do with illusions and such, might that not be Blandine?? Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. > >~Mage Bob > > Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:40:17 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Who is Who's Boss?? [Was 5 elephants, er elements...] At 10:17 PM 5/5/97 EST, Nathaniel P Eliot wrote: > >In other words, how do you decide the superior when a Word would >fall under two superior's words? IMHO, you guess. Happens all the time to me, and you just go with what you think. The same with the way you rank non-canon Celestials. I really like some of the things people have done around here, but have slotted most of them in as senior word bound under the existing AA/DP. OF course there is the possibility of a Celestial serving two Superiors, but I could only make it work in my head for about 30 minutes, the two AA's were Eli and Novalis and I can't recall what the Word in question was so much for that brain wave. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:54:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: IN> Re: Making GURPS Popular(Not Blasphemous) On Mon, 5 May 1997 MoxFool@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Montejon. I'm a "Born-again" Chrsitian, and I have no problem > with In Nomine. It's a game, not a manual for occult practices. It's too bad > that some of my brothers don't share this opinion. I just got my second copy. My father, the former head deacon of a hell-fire and brimstone Baptist church sent it to me. It seems that the former pastor, an old friend of mine, and given it to dad to send to me. Dad read it, and found it highly interesting. We talked on the phone last night for nearly an hour discussing the game. He wants me to set up a senario for him the next time he gets up here to visit. This will be the second RPG I have gotten him to play. Toon was the first, and he STILL has all my origanal manuels for that and won't give them back. So I guess what I am trying to say is the game may not pull down the type of heat that people think. Shadowcat ================================================================================ "Don't you think that in the middle of HERE and NOW, we might just run into each other once or twice ?" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #154 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.