From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jan 9 00:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23715 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:00:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA11388 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:57:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:57:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199801090557.XAA11388@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #556 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 556 In this digest: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: IN> Extinction IN> Evolution vs. Abiogenesis Re: IN> Extinction Re: IN> PBEM in need of characters Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles Re: IN> Movie Trailer: Partners IN> Who needs Swipe? Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? Re: IN> Who are you, anyway? Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? Re: IN> Cast List/Movie Alert Re: IN> RE: Querent's cast list Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles (long, long, long) Re: IN> Extinction Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles (Snipped short) Re: IN> Movie Trailer: Partners Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance Re: IN> Extinction Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) IN> Questions, apparently not frequently asked Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance IN> Malakim Humor IN> Words of the Fallen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:44:44 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) >Anime/hentai breasts have rules unto themselves, just like most >everything else in the genra(s). Chief among those is that breast >material is actually slightly anti-graviational; no sagging breasts, >except in *really* old people. They have other peculiarities (such >as moving in little concentric circles during certain activities) >that I won't get into. Note: There was a comic in Japan called D-cup Hunter. Believe it or not, this was -not- an adult comic- bare breasts was as deep as it got. The flat-chested girl at a schoolful of amazons got jealous, dressed up in a wig and a leotard stuffed strategically with hot buns, and went around making breastprints (like fingerprints) of the busty girls and blackmailing them out of the boy market. As the series progressed, her enemies got steadily more weird- eventually she started fighting aliens, one of whom used her chest as her alien empire's Ultimate Weapon- when she took off her bra and jiggled, her nipples vibrated so much they formed a sonic weapon of mass destruction! And remember, this was -not- a sex comic. }:-{D >[BTW - Beth, is it just me, or would you count as hentai >(personally, not genra-wise)?] We'll know if you're a hentai if you order certain fanart portfolios from me. }:-{D (inside joke for the DVPBEM people- I use ADMIN posts as an opportunity to promote my personal business. Self employment, what a way to live...) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 05:07:29 +0000 From: Nathaniel Eliot Subject: Re: IN> Extinction > > Okay, so how does that explain dinos like the duckbill? Not > > very offensively coordinated, to say the least, and their only > > defense was to not really be in the way. > > Kobal?? :) That works. Though everything can be explained as a work of Kobal, sooner or later. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@mci2000.com Changing addresses faster than an Ophanite with a house mover! It's temujin9@...um...where are you this week, Nate? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:01:06 -0500 From: Stacy Stroud Subject: IN> Evolution vs. Abiogenesis >More seriously, the original experiments that proved evolution to be >valid managed to evolve some stuff. Granted, it was only small amino >acids, and it would have taken a lot of work to get any of it to a >point we'd call life, but proto-life has been created. > >It involves some chemical rich water and an electrical current. Actually, that's abiogenesis, not evolution. Abiogenesis is how you get life (starting with organic molecules like those amino acids) from nonliving matter. Those experiments proved it could be done, at least to that extent, though they never managed to get the amino acids to form proteins. Evolution is "the change in allele frequency in a population over time," so it's dependent on the pre-existence of DNA or some alien equivalent. It starts happening a long time after abiogenesis gets the ball rolling. According to the talk.origins FAQ (see the URL given by David Edelstein earlier), speciation ("macro-evolution," the divergence of a brand-new species from its parent) has actually been observed. I'm not sure if it was in nature or in a lab, but *that*'s what I'd call observed evolution. (It's what creationists always want evolutionists to show them, anyway.) > >Nathaniel Eliot >temujin9@mci2000.com Stacy Stroud sstroud@uky.campus.mci.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Extinction > > > Okay, so how does that explain dinos like the duckbill? Not > > > very offensively coordinated, to say the least, and their only > > > defense was to not really be in the way. > > > > Kobal?? :) > > That works. Though everything can be explained as a work of Kobal, > sooner or later. > And that's the way he likes it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:48:36 EST From: Mideval Subject: Re: IN> PBEM in need of characters WOW! A In Nomine PBEM that actually has open slots! ;) Count me in! "One man spends 70 years in learning and fails to kindle the light. Another, all his life learns nothing, but hears one word and is consumed by that word." ~~ Ansari, The Invocations ~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:37:57 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > More seriously, the original experiments that proved evolution to be > valid managed to evolve some stuff. Granted, it was only small amino > acids, and it would have taken a lot of work to get any of it to a > point we'd call life, but proto-life has been created. Well... To get even more serious, there are two completely distinct, though related, topics here. Evolution proper is the way lineages of organisms change over time. What you are talking about is biogenesis, the origin of life. Evolution proceeds, in theory, by mutation and natural selection (and, in IN, probably by numerous and complicated nudges from the likes of Jordi). It involves multiple generations and populations. Biogenesis involves neither, but rather theorizes about the origin of generation #1. However, SOME degree of "evolution" is evident from the first exercises in selective breeding, in prehistory, and real evolution by *natural* selection has been observered many times in the wild and in the lab. I believe even the origin of new species has been observed, but that depends on how you define species, which varies from one branch of biology to another. To bring this back to IN: Remember how angels are compared to instruments? I suggest that, in the IN world, the normal and routine function of a lot of angels is to produce the corporeal part of the Symphony, the way instruments produce music. They implement nature. So, if Jordi is, say, in charge of animal evolution, it is not a disturbance for him to tweak genes here and there -- rather, it's his assigned part in the orchestration of the Symphony. This is the game version of a concept called "theistic evolution" in religious circles. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Wilmoth Subject: Re: IN> Movie Trailer: Partners All right... but I get to play Zaccur. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:35:35 +0000 From: Sam Kington Subject: IN> Who needs Swipe? Janus and Valefor both offer Swipe, which can remove a corporeal object no heavier than the angel's Forces dissapear for Celestial Forces minutes, at a cost of 2 Essence. A Malakite of Eli, with Laurence's Scabbard attunement, can use anything as a weapon and thus store it outside of normal space, for no cost and for all eternity. I suppose if you started storing too many things, there would be a danger of not getting exactly what you wanted (a la Merlin in the Sword in the Stone). Still, I like the idea of a bunch of grinning Calabim surrounding a single solitary Malakite, ready to beat him into a pulp, when he pulls out of nowhere... a wet noodle :-). Sam - -- Home page: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/cgi/illuminati It doesn't matter what temperature the room is, it's always room temperature. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:00:46 -0500 From: John J Maurer Subject: Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? At 03:35 PM 1/8/98 +0000, Sam Kington wrote: >Janus and Valefor both offer Swipe, which can remove a corporeal object >no heavier than the angel's Forces dissapear for Celestial Forces >minutes, at a cost of 2 Essence. A Malakite of Eli, with Laurence's >Scabbard attunement, can use anything as a weapon and thus store it >outside of normal space, for no cost and for all eternity. One of my players threatened me with just that actually. I told him that if he tried to put anything that was not designed to be a weapon (although I relented on Kitchen knives) in the scabbard it would not work. It doesn't matter that you can USE anything AS a weapon, the item must actually BE a weapon. I might relent on a wet noodle though. :) Speaks "Being crazy and evil at the same time is no picnic, believe me!" -Necross the Mad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:10:37 -0800 From: "David M. Barr" Subject: Re: IN> Who are you, anyway? T Bretz wrote: > > Malakite of Christopher (I work in the field of Child Abuse - there's nothing > a demon can do that tops the sickos in Houston) > > theron > houston Or that an angel can do that matches the "grace" of the people doing a hard job under hard circumstances. Keep up the good work. And thanks. - -Daiv (still not sure who i am work who I work for...IN or RL) :=) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? > I suppose if you started storing too many things, there would be a > danger of not getting exactly what you wanted (a la Merlin in the Sword > in the Stone). Still, I like the idea of a bunch of grinning Calabim > surrounding a single solitary Malakite, ready to beat him into a pulp, > when he pulls out of nowhere... a wet noodle :-). > Okay, I'll admit it. I love Malakim of Eli. Anyone who can kill with a limp stalk of bok choi and an unsharpened #2 pencil while educating the target on the use of lighting in 19th century Impressionism is just tops in my book. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:30:54 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? > One of my players threatened me with just that actually. I told him that if > he tried to put anything that was not designed to be a weapon (although I > relented on Kitchen knives) in the scabbard it would not work. > > It doesn't matter that you can USE anything AS a weapon, the item must > actually BE a weapon. > > I might relent on a wet noodle though. :) > Heh. I would relent on a limp warm rice noodle dipped in Mama Huang's Extra Spicy Chicken Curry Sauce with That Extra Kick. Eating it or wielding it, it's a deadly weapon. "Don't drink the water! Don't drink the water! Oh, man, you've done it. Now your mouth will burn for an hour." I will also relent on a hot dog coated in ketchup, mustard, and Frankie Lee's Extra Special Yet Smooth Relish and a little bit of sauerkraut (word here in Ukranian, actually). Only because I would PAY MONEY to see someone beated to death with a hot dog. And wield it from a holster. ** Offlist Aside: Okay, now that I'm certifiably insane today, Zen joke. The Buddha goes up to a hot dog stand and gets a hot dog. The seller asks what he'd like on it and the Buddha answers "Nothing". The hot dog is enlightened. And now that I have said this, I need to get out my tazer and DEAL with my now active Archangel of Enlightenment. - - Em, Happy Fun Balseraph. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Cast List/Movie Alert - ---T Bretz wrote: > > I kind of like Antonio Bandera for Michael. I can see him swaggering along, > hip-deep in blood, with that feral grin of his. I didn't think he had the air of nobility that I think Michael needs. For a time, he was the right hand of God. Sure, over time he's become a little more angry, a little less patient, and not so impressed with Lawrence's ability, but he IS the Archangel Michael, first amongst the angels and personal champion of God. > > For Lilith, I know I'd be in the minority casting Kathleen Turner. But for > me, she works. She's simultaneously maternal and sexy and can do the sort of > vamping and maneuvering (this) one would expect in the Prince of Freedom I originally selected Kathleen Turner! She was rejected ultimately, because Sharon Stone is more established as a seductress. She also more closely hits the feminine ideal, though admittedly I think Turner is the more attractive of the two. > > With those cheekbones of his, Willem Defoe would make a really creepy Belial. I looked at the pictures in the book, and saw Belial. Go look at him. Does he, or does he not, look a bit like a wild Tommy Lee Jones? > > Movie Alert: > > Has anyone else seen previews for "The Fallen"? It seems to deal with some > disembodied celestials roaming around in host bodies and the detectives that > are tracking them. I came in half-way through the commercial, so I don't know > if this is a re-hash of The Hidden, or Shedite's Day Out. But it's got John > Goodman in it, so it probably won't completely reek. It also stars Elias Koteas (the hero from The Prophecy) as the original vessel of this fallen angel. What is it with Koteas and angels? The trailer is available for download, find it at: http://www.theatres.sre.sony.com/trailerpark/trailers/FALLENZZ.MOV for the 4.9 MB version. http://www.theatres.sre.sony.com/trailerpark/trailers/FALLENYY.MOV for the 7.4 MB version. and http://www.theatres.sre.sony.com/trailerpark/trailers/FALLENYY.MOV for the 21 MB version. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> RE: Querent's cast list - ---T Bretz wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-05 12:24:23 EST, you write: > > << Back on topic (sort of). I'm surprised no-one has suggested Max Headroom > for > Nybbas. >> Max Headroom was played by Matt Frewer, a great actor, but getting a bit older, and a little too cheesy for my taste. Granted, if anyone's going to be cheesy, it'll be Nybbas, King of the Game Show Hosts... > > Not bad, but I kind of like Pat Sajak. > Pat Sajak? OUCH! It's hurting my brain. Medic! Have you noticed that everyone on my list has at least pulled off a decent portrayal or two in a major film? Even the non-actors have at least carried themselves well. Would you advertise a film starring Academy Award Winners Al Pacino, Sir Anthony Hopkins, and Pat Sajak? OUCH! I have to go lay down... == --Querent USELESS FACT: The USS Scorpion was the first of two US nuclear submarines lost at sea. It lost contact in the Bermuda triangle, cause still unknown. (Or at least, not *publicly* known.) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:48:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance At 5:18 PM -0500 1/7/98, Pee Kitty wrote: >The ripples are not stopped by normal matter, for they are beyond anything >corporeal. The celestials who hear them do not slow down, stop, or affect >the ripples in any way. In fact, nothing does, except _the person who >caused them_. While technically he does not emit ripples of disturbance, >when the ripples emanating from the scene of disturbance reach him, they >have struck a resonant note... and they bounce. Think sonar. The ripples >coming off the person are much weaker, of course, but they can be >detected, and last for as long as the normal ripples last. (Yes, one little grab and you're tarred for life.) Incredibly complicated, but I like the rationale. Does this imply that if the culprit stays at ground-zero (pretending to be a victim? An innocent bystander?) that *he* won't be spotted until he leaves the area where the ripples are? [Still dealing with non-urgent email from the 400 messages from vacation] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:00:57 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles (long, long, long) At 8:03 PM -0500 1/7/98, Pee Kitty wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > >> The seraph can answer the question literally, or they can try >> answering the question that was *really* being asked. But if they >> were wrong about the question being asked, and their answer was (by >> those standards) false, they get dissonance. [...] >Similarly, if a Seraph has been on earth for years and years, and he knows >that it's almost certain that a human asking "What's your name?" is asking >for the name he goes by in the vessel, then he can answer with his vessel >name truthfully...and when this ONE human who happens to be savvy about >Things asks him "What's your name?" and then refutes his answer with "No, >that's the name of your VESSEL, Celestial! I wanted to know your REAL >NAME", he does not get dissonance. He does, of course, have to answer the >next question truthfully or not at all. (At this point one could argue >that since he accidentally didn't answer that last question truthfully, >that he HAS to answer it properly now or get dissonance; I leave that up >to the GM's mood :). I could see this intrepretation, yes, quite well. I would probably make it clear to a Seraph-player that saying, "I'm Jody" is going to be mildly *uncomfortable* for them -- but they can do it without dissonance if they're under the honest and true impression that what's being asked is the name of the Role, or of what someone should be calling them. But the Seraph should always be aware that they're relying on the murky differences between what's said and what's meant, common in human languages -- a Seraph who mutters "This sort of thing is much simpler in celestial" has the right idea. (And the closer the pseudonym is to the meaning of their True Name, the less uncomfortable it is saying it. O:> ) [Still dealing with non-urgent email from the 400 messages from vacation] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:47:50 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Extinction - ---Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > > > >The History of the Angels (in the APG) implied, to me, that evolution > > >sort of happened with the occasional celestial nudge here and there. > > > > I really like the idea that dinosaur fossils are just the remains of > > ancient war-vessels used by angels and demons in the very first war > > between heaven and hell! > > Okay, so how does that explain dinos like the duckbill? Not very > offensively coordinated, to say the least, and their only defense was > to not really be in the way. Duh, the Duckbills are Mercurians. They are there to relieve the battle weary malakim-tyranasaurs, the cherub-ceratops, and the ofanim-raptors. Silly scientists think the ducklike bill is for gathering food, but the Illuminati have documentation showing that the bill was used for carrying large quantities of mud and grass, not for food, but to patch up wounds. > == --Querent USELESS FACT: The USS Scorpion was the first of two US nuclear submarines lost at sea. It lost contact in the Bermuda triangle, cause still unknown. (Or at least, not *publicly* known.) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:17:01 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance > > (Yes, one little grab and you're tarred for life.) > *THHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHPT* I just need a better.... scheme. Yeah, that's it. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles (Snipped short) I've never had this problem. I've always just let it go. Mortal: "What's your name" Jor-El, Seraph, Angel of Krypton: "Superman" It's the name given him. It's the name he's recognized with. If Jor-El had said "Jimmy Olsen", I'd smack him upside the head with dissonance. Even so, I've only once ever had to give out dissonance, and it was with a Seraph. I don't remember what it was, something about a gas station as I recall, but it stung. - ---Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> The seraph can answer the question literally, or they can try > >> answering the question that was *really* being asked. But if they > >> were wrong about the question being asked, and their answer was (by > >> those standards) false, they get dissonance. == --Querent USELESS FACT: The shape gamers call a "twenty sider" is an "icosahedron" to mathematicians. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:45 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Movie Trailer: Partners At 10:27 AM -0500 1/8/98, Jamie Wilmoth wrote: >All right... but I get to play Zaccur. With or without bribery of a chainsaw? [Still dealing with non-urgent email from the 400 messages from vacation] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:59:22 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) At 8:30 PM +0000 1/7/98, Patrick Chester wrote: >> At 4:17 PM -0500 1/7/98, Casca wrote: >> >On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> > >> >> >And what would you call Ifurita anyway? >> > >> >Scary. >> >> But cute. > >Yes, but that staff she uses can wipe out small cities with a few >shots. (I don't know what was scarier, the devastation or the utter >blankness on her face while she was firing.) You know, except for being on the wrong side there, that's a very Elohite sort of thing. >>>Elohim are neat. I like Elohim. They're my favorite Choir to NPC. >>>But I wouldn't -trust- an Elohite with my life. (Ref. that scene where >>>Sylia sacrifices Nene to win the game.) >> >>Exactly. Elohim are ruthless, manipulative little space aliens. >> >>I adore them. > >But from a distance? Depends on if it's me, on if I think I know what the Elohite's goals are, etc. One of my characters is ga-ga over a local Elohite NPC, *because* she thinks he'll do the right thing, even if it messes with her (Geases, dontcha know). >["You want me to WHAT?!"] (Oh, yeah, there's a line people say around Elohim a lot, yes! ) >>>>>You-sen-gai-sya, I think. "Phantom Quest Corporation." Hilarious. >>It's one of my favorite opening themes, too. Neon Genesis >>Evangelion being another, as well as El-Hazard's.... >> >>ObIN: Phantom Quest Corporation could be a company owned by >>a Soldier of some kind.... > >With a Discord of Impulse Buyer/5.... ;-) *Definitely*! Not to mention Bad Kareoke! At 11:00 PM -0500 1/7/98, Casca wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> >> >And what would you call Ifurita anyway? >> >Scary. >> But cute. >Um...no. Shayla-Shayla is cute, albeit in a psycho Malakite of Fire sort >of way. Ifurita is just...spooky. Shayla-Shayla is kawaii (one i or 2?) and manic. And definitely Malakite of Fire with attitude. Ifurita is lovely and spooky and attitudinal in her own quiet way and I adored when she punched the jerk without looking and I guess I just glom onto characters who are in the middle of redemption... >Now that I think of it, she's an awful lot like how I portray my >Archangel of Justice. Scary!! >> Exactly. Elohim are ruthless, manipulative little space aliens. >> I adore them. > >*Seraphic ripplie-blinkies* >You're sick, you know that? I've been told things like that, yes. >>>>And breasts the size of watermelons for most of the female villians? >>>You say this like it's a bad thing! ;;;) >>I'm just thinking of the *backaches* they must get! Ow! > >Breast-weight negation is one of their special powers. (Sorta like how >half of the Image Comics heroines keep their costumes on.) They're full of helium. Is this why some have squeaky little voices? Patlabor Movie 2 >>Chop half the voiceover stuff, and I agree. It's beautiful. But >>it dragged a little here and there. > >Phillistine. ;;;P Hey, so I started with Ranma 1/2 -- since when do you get voiceovers that go on for about five minutes in Ranma? >I once ran a Star Wars adventure based upon the storyline of Plastic >Little. I sent the PCs there for a little R&R... Suffice it to say, they >never wanted a vacation again. >If Garrett is reading this thread, I'm sure he'll pipe up and give us his >impression of the adventure. Oh, I *hope*!!! At 2:02 AM +0000 1/8/98, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> Exactly. Elohim are ruthless, manipulative little space aliens. >> I adore them. > >And we love you back, Beth. We just can't do much about it, >because it's not practical. And we are nothing if not practical. > >Or logical ,:-! You're Elohite? Still, you shouldn't speak for *all* your Choir. I've *got* an Elohite... >[BTW - Beth, is it just me, or would you count as hentai >(personally, not genra-wise)?] I decline to answer that on the grounds that I am not a Servitor of Litheroy. O;> [Still dealing with non-urgent email from the 400 messages from vacation] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:12:36 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) >At 11:00 PM -0500 1/7/98, Casca wrote: >>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>> >> >And what would you call Ifurita anyway? >>> >Scary. >>> But cute. >>Um...no. Shayla-Shayla is cute, albeit in a psycho Malakite of Fire sort >>of way. Ifurita is just...spooky. > >Shayla-Shayla is kawaii (one i or 2?) 2. Ka-wai-i. and manic. And definitely >Malakite of Fire with attitude. > But that would make the other two Priestesses Malakim as well- who would they fall under? }:-{D >>Breast-weight negation is one of their special powers. (Sorta like how >>half of the Image Comics heroines keep their costumes on.) > >They're full of helium. Is this why some have squeaky little voices? Ai Orikasa doesn't have a squeaky voice. (Quite frankly, if I could marry a voice- -just- a voice- I'd propose to Ai Orikasa's voice. }:-{D ) >>>Chop half the voiceover stuff, and I agree. It's beautiful. But >>>it dragged a little here and there. >> >>Phillistine. ;;;P > >Hey, so I started with Ranma 1/2 -- since when do you get voiceovers >that go on for about five minutes in Ranma? Well, give Tatewaki Kunou a chance... }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 07:04:03 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? Emily Dresner wrote: > > I suppose if you started storing too many things, there would be a > > danger of not getting exactly what you wanted (a la Merlin in the Sword > > in the Stone). Still, I like the idea of a bunch of grinning Calabim > > surrounding a single solitary Malakite, ready to beat him into a pulp, > > when he pulls out of nowhere... a wet noodle :-). > > > > Okay, I'll admit it. I love Malakim of Eli. Anyone who can kill with a > limp stalk of bok choi and an unsharpened #2 pencil while educating the > target on the use of lighting in 19th century Impressionism is just tops > in my book. I'm awfully glad that my party's Malakim is of Eli - although we've yet to get into any fights. He spent most of his Essence over the first two sessions using Transubstantiation to improve the quality of hospital coffee... (Just as well we have a Malakim... none of the other PCs have any combat skills...) - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia (No killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants) Car wash (also on Sundays) No longer afraid of the dark Or midday shadows Nothing so ridiculously teenage and desperate RADIOHEAD, "Fitter Happier" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:08:28 +0000 From: Nathaniel Eliot Subject: Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance > Incredibly complicated, but I like the rationale. Does this imply > that if the culprit stays at ground-zero (pretending to be a victim? > An innocent bystander?) that *he* won't be spotted until he leaves > the area where the ripples are? I'd say that unless they stood *exactly* on ground zero (which would be impossible in a multiple disturbance case, and tough in a single disturbance) the double bong would be heard. It might be hard to pinpoint, especially if there are several local disturbances to contend with, but it would be obvious that the originating celestial was still there. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@mci2000.com Changing addresses faster than an Ophanite with a house mover! It's temujin9@...um...where are you this week, Nate? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:08:28 +0000 From: Nathaniel Eliot Subject: Re: IN> Extinction > > Okay, so how does that explain dinos like the duckbill? Not very > > offensively coordinated, to say the least, and their only defense was > > to not really be in the way. > > Duh, the Duckbills are Mercurians. They are there to relieve the > battle weary malakim-tyranasaurs, the cherub-ceratops, and the > ofanim-raptors. Silly scientists think the ducklike bill is for > gathering food, but the Illuminati have documentation showing that > the bill was used for carrying large quantities of mud and grass, > not for food, but to patch up wounds. Hey, good one. That explains those hollow-headed dinosaurs (forgive me Steve, for I have sinned) - the sounds they produced were for singing Songs, not just for sounding pretty... It all fits. It really does. And *thats* what scares me... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@mci2000.com Changing addresses faster than an Ophanite with a house mover! It's temujin9@...um...where are you this week, Nate? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:08:28 +0000 From: Nathaniel Eliot Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) [Redneck Gaijin] > >Hey, so I started with Ranma 1/2 -- since when do you get > >voiceovers that go on for about five minutes in Ranma? > > Well, give Tatewaki Kunou a chance... }:-{D On the other hand, he gets beaten pretty badly. If the narrators were beaten for their monologues, it would probably make up for it... [Archangel Beth] > >Breast-weight negation is one of their special powers. (Sorta > >like how half of the Image Comics heroines keep their costumes > >on.) > > They're full of helium. Is this why some have squeaky little > voices? The lining is too thin, and the helium is leaking into their lungs. Which, incidentally, explains the stupidity of most of those characters - their oxygen supply is being reduced. > >Phillistine. ;;;P > > Hey, so I started with Ranma 1/2 -- since when do you get > voiceovers that go on for about five minutes in Ranma? Ah, now I get it; that's the hidden downside. I'm going to be spoiled for other anime. I *knew* dealing with the devil (or a certified representative) was a bad idea... > >> Exactly. Elohim are ruthless, manipulative little space aliens. > >> I adore them. > > > >And we love you back, Beth. We just can't do much about it, > >because it's not practical. And we are nothing if not practical. > > > >Or logical ,:-! > > You're Elohite? Either that, or a Balseraph, and why would I lie about being an Elohite? It's not like it's a glamor job, though the colleges *are* very esteemed. [Yes, I know I said Saint. I've changed my mind. It really does fit, too - you just wouldn't know it.] > Still, you shouldn't speak for *all* your Choir. I've *got* an > Elohite... Who would either make the same choice, or start getting tattoos. [Ook, I just walked into that. So maybe I'm mildly dissonant...] > >[BTW - Beth, is it just me, or would you count as hentai > >(personally, not genra-wise)?] > > I decline to answer that on the grounds that I am not a Servitor > of Litheroy. O;> (Hmmm...whose resonance would spot that out for me? A Lilim might, but she might not like resonanting her own. Or I could just force you to watch some, and resonate at the juicy parts...) Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@mci2000.com Changing addresses faster than an Ophanite with a house mover! It's temujin9@...um...where are you this week, Nate? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:42:36 -0500 (EST) From: "York H. Dobyns" Subject: IN> Questions, apparently not frequently asked I have some questions about In Nomine that weren't addressed by the FAQ that arrives when one subscribes to this list. 1.) There are two different systems given in In Nomine for purchasing a Role. One (around p. 40) gives the cost of a Role as (Level x Status)/2. The other (around p. 70) gives the cost as (Level x 2) + (Status -1) x2. Which of these was intended? 2.) Continuing on the subject of Roles, it is mentioned that any Role includes a "free" skill of background knowledge in how to be , with (IIRC) a level equal to the Role's. It is also mentioned that mortals don't have Roles, since they have real lives in the Symphony. Does a mortal also get an appropriate "free" background knowledge skill, for whatever she is or does, or does she have to pay character points for it? If it is a "free" skill, what is its Level? 3.) Why does it cost more, during character design (and, by implication, when spending points to improve a character in the course of play) to own a Talisman that grants you a skill, or a Relic that grants you a Song, than it costs simply to know the skill or Song yourself? 4.) Is there a reason why, after giving the first five major Choirs Hebrew or pseudo-Hebrew names, the two "lowest" have Greek (Kyriotates) and Latinate (Mercurian) names? Was this a deliberate design choice in the English-language version, or an inheritance from the original French game? 5.) The discussion on Numinous Corpus songs mentions that two attacks, e.g. one with claws and one with hooves, can be performed in the same round, provided that one is based on Strength and the other on Agility. Nowhere else, in either the combat section or the skills section, is the notion of attacks based on Agility discussed; Fighting skill is identified as based on Strength. Can this be clarified? York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu No one has yet succeeded in inventing a philosophy at once credible and self-consistent. -- Bertrand Russell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lonnie Foster Subject: Re: IN> Detecting whodunna the disturbance On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Pee Kitty wrote: > I like this idea, though I agree that adding any more complexity to the detection of disturbances mechanics is probably a bad idea. I've handled the Celestial Song of Motion problem in a different way. I assume that the CSoM creates *two* centers of disturbance, one at the departure point and one at the arrival point. I'm still waffling on what the magnitude of the disturbance should be; should it be the normal loudness for the Song at both points, or should it create half the normal noise at each point? Half the normal disturbance at each point seems to make the CSoM too quiet for long-range teleporters, since nobody is likely to be in range to detect both points. If the teleportation is short range, though (say, only a few yards), the Song's degree of disturbance is effectively doubled. It does make sense, though, that the CSoM would be very loud, since it violates a number of the laws of physics. <*> Lonnie Foster http://pobox.com/~tribble There are times not to flirt. When you're sick. When you're with children. On the witness stand. --Joyce Jillson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: IN> Malakim Humor On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 gibsonc@NKU.EDU wrote: > > Must all Malakim be totally humorless? What if I want to play a > > merrily gallant warrior angel, patterned after Cyrano de Bergerac or > > Reepicheep or the Three Musketeers? Malakite would be the obvious > > choir. Can't I fit in a sense of humor? > > according to the APH, malakim don't enjoy humor, they are deadpan > characters. Well, true. For the average malakim. But they aren't all humorless individuals. Not every malakim is created equal. Besides, deadpan can be extremely funny, as long as it is timed right. As long as you don't ask them to take their oaths or their duties lightly they can have as good a sense of humor as anyone else (and probably better than the seraphim. Now they strike me as humorless...). Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: IN> Words of the Fallen On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Like im convinced that there isnt a Archangel of Love-- just a angel > >in the service to Novalis :) > > Well, whoever holds the Word had better be careful. Andre might not > like people who assume his old Word... (APG, p. 9) This reminds me of a conversation I had with one of my players. How jealous are Fallen Angels of their former Words? Do they still consider it their Word, or do they forget about it. I know the APG says (or at least implies) that Outcasts get to keep their words, and that they can only lose their word when they Fall, but what are their feelings about their old words? What prompted this was the fact that the Word of Light is still up for grabs in Heaven. My friend (who plays a Mercurian of Laurence) said that he would never even consider trying for that Word because he would be concerned that Lucifer would show up in person to kick his butt. Would that happen, and why or why not? Rich Gant ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #556 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.