From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jan 9 16:15:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14583 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA25544 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199801092204.QAA25544@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #558 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, January 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 558 In this digest: Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance Re: IN> Plastic Little (?) Re: IN> Extinction Re: IN> Christian Mods for In Nomine IN> Lilim of Eris Re: IN> Superman nitpick Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance Re: IN> Malakim Humor Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance Re: IN> Evolution (off-topic) Re: IN> Reliever becoming Angels IN> Seraphim and Forms IN> Malakite and dissonance IN> A resonance question IN> Relics RE: IN> The Company in IN IN> Malakite and dissonance Re: IN> Lilim of Eris Re: IN> Reliever becoming Angels Re: IN> Seraphim and Forms Re: IN> [STORY] "Your services will no longer be required." RE: IN> Happy New Year's Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) RE: IN> Opening the Bidding Re: IN> Words of the Fallen Re: Re: IN> Fwd: What 'he' finally did... IN> Of Vessels and Roles... Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: IN> Relics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance > You know that the Bal was willing to kill (at least) once so as soon as you > let it go you have no guarantee it won't go off and kill many more people > before you ever get a chance to catch up with it. If it goes around killing all the time with a sword, then it is most likely to be setting off disturbances right and left. I mean, in what Role is killing people with a sword appropriate? And when you do, it will > know one of your weaknesses and likely arrange to have more human shields > handy. You also know for a near-certainty that it will run off to further > the cause of evil because thats what they do. > Firstly, once it gets out of Trauma, it will be furthering the cause of evil anyway. (And if I were that Balseraph, who obviously doesn't have Celestial Motion, I wouldn't go Celestial since there's no guarantee that I'd be able to escape bastards with Celestial Light.) Secondly, if it goes around wantonly killing people, then I'm not going to be deterred by future human shields. Someone is likely to have a file on this guy, so if he does do this sort of stuff, you can know it in future and spread the word. > My vote goes to 'Tell the demon you agree, then try to toast it after it has > released the mortal', Not necessarily always practical. but I'm not sure how strictly honorable that might be > considered. As to that, I doubt many Malakites would lose sleep over lying to a Balseraph. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Plastic Little (?) On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Garrett Taylor wrote: > Would that be the adventure on the pleasure planet > in the floating city, hmmm? :) Yup. The resort world of Yietta, a floating city atop an Imperial garrison where they were field-testing the two-stage Gravshock device. > ------------------------- > 'R&R isn't slang for Raze and Run?' > > Rating: 5 (out of 10) Wow, I earned that high a rating? I thought -all- my adventures earned 3's, tops. > The Ugly: Jedi Jr. , The unarmed non-jedi has to > fight Dark Jedi w/light sabre > > The Severly Wacked: Jedi Jr. *building* > light sabre Mighty big talk from a guy who can defeat 5 stormtroopers barehanded, yet can't take a gun away from an eight-year-old girl. ;) > Number One Lesson Learned: Never play a subplot while Eric GMs Muahahahahah! > Sickeningly cute little girls seem to drive most of the plots. :) Hm? There were no SCLG in the Birthright campaign, and you have yet to meet any in IN. (Ryan's character doesn't count, since I didn't have anything to do with that.) > And how does the relate to IN? :) Beats me. But since we've sucked the list_moderator into the thread, I think we're okay. ;) - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Extinction [Excerpt from AISB Council Meeting] "And what of Nathaniel Eliot? He has recently been pondering that which he was not cleared, pardon me, not *meant* to know. In idly engaging in an email discussion, he has inadvertently found illumination. I do not think he is yet aware of his condition. Shall we recruit him before the competition does?" "This is most interesting. I propose we test this Mr. Eliot prior to finalizing his destiny." (A button is pressed, and the room is filled with the sound of a telephone ringing followed by a man's voice.) "Sir?" "Mr. Jericho, a Nathaniel Eliot requires your attention. The dossier is en route to you now." "Sir." (The connection is terminated.) "Tea anyone?" - ---Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > > > > Okay, so how does that explain dinos like the duckbill? Not very > > > offensively coordinated, to say the least, and their only defense was > > > to not really be in the way. > > > > Duh, the Duckbills are Mercurians. They are there to relieve the > > battle weary malakim-tyranasaurs, the cherub-ceratops, and the > > ofanim-raptors. Silly scientists think the ducklike bill is for > > gathering food, but the Illuminati have documentation showing that > > the bill was used for carrying large quantities of mud and grass, > > not for food, but to patch up wounds. > > Hey, good one. That explains those hollow-headed dinosaurs (forgive > me Steve, for I have sinned) - the sounds they produced were for > singing Songs, not just for sounding pretty... > > It all fits. It really does. And *thats* what scares me... == --Querent USELESS FACT: The shape gamers call a "twenty sider" is an "icosahedron" to mathematicians. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:23:06 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: Re: IN> Christian Mods for In Nomine - ---Kevin Walsh wrote: > But methinks that the commander in any group of Servitors of War had > better be damned careful, because it's unlikely that anyone around will > give him/her direct orders to retreat. Credit where credit's due. You have to admit it was awfully decent of Baal to handicap his troops in the same way ;-) jo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:29:48 -0800 From: "David M. Barr" Subject: IN> Lilim of Eris I decided to start up a game, and have dragged my wife into playing. She immediatel7y began to jump up and down, giggling, and saidthat she wants to play a Lilim of Eris (Greek goddess of discord (ref; www.pantheon.org)). Allowable by cannon, and it falls into the domain of what I am willing to deal with. So, I am trolling for suggestions; what would the resonance be for such a lilim? Something with apples, I should think... Thanks for your help. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:00 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Superman nitpick Ok, that was stupid of me. I knew that. Hmmm...at the time, I was sure Jor-El was Superman anyway, and used that knowledge to argue a silly point. How long did it take other people to realize they were Balseraphs who rolled a 6 check digit in an attempt to use his resonance on himself? Besides, Jor-El wasn't late, he got the kid off of Krypton just in the nick of time. That's pretty good planning if you ask me. > Actually, Jor-El would get dissonance for calling himself Superman, if he > were a Seraph. > > Jor-El is Superman's late father. > > Kal-El is Superman. > > And I'm a nit-picky comics fan. I'm a forgetful comics fan. I'm more of a cinemaphile. But then, people on this list probably know that by now. == --Querent USELESS FACT: The shape gamers call a "twenty sider" is an "icosahedron" to mathematicians. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > If it goes around killing all the time with a sword, then it is most > likely to be setting off disturbances right and left. I mean, in what > Role is killing people with a sword appropriate? Well, if your role is that of a Scotsman with the word "Macleod" in the name.... ;;;) - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Who needs Swipe? On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > Yeah, but I'd still be afraid of a wet noodle in the hands of a Malakim of > > Eli. > > > And these Calabites are supposed to know the Malakite serves Eli because... > (other than the fact that it has a wet noodle in hisher hand). > > Btw, the Calabim would still most likely beat him into a pulp. I doubt it. I have yet to see a Calabim successfully beat anything. Maybe they just roll bad in my campaign, but nobody is afraid of them. Angry, yes. But afraid? No. Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > Unless another of your oaths was to always keep your word, you should have > > jumped the Balseraph as soon as he let go of the human. Malakim don't > > have to keep their word to anybody (especially demons) when they promise > > to let evil go, unless they have an oath that requires them to do so. > > > And a smart Balseraph would know this and require the Malakite to take > that oath, at least a one-use oath. If I was the Malakim, I wouldn't give it unless ordered to. I don't make deals with demons. Ever. Rich Gant Malakim of Eli in service to Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:55:10 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Malakim Humor Ok, here's my understanding. Malakim are humorless. Pigs are speechless (no talking), dogs are wingless (no flight), Malakim are humorless (no humor). It's not a stereotype, not a political statement, it's a resonance. They resonate with honor, from the very core of their being. It's just not an option. Each malakim has his own personality, his own quirks, his own unique style. But just like no humans have exoskeletons, no Malakim have humor. They can be really funny, but they still don't have humor. For merrily gallant warrior angels, I would recommend Cherubim. They're closer to the chivalrous protector ideals that all of the characters mentioned personify anyway. Think of Cherubs as Western Europe's Knights/Musketeers. They gallantly (or not so gallantly, if you prefer) defend king, country, and fair damsels for the forces of evil. Malakim strike me more as stoic Spartans or Zen warriors. Being a Malakim puts you into the warrior caste. It doesn't exclude others from individually becoming great warriors. - ---gantr@NKU.EDU wrote: > > > > Must all Malakim be totally humorless? What if I want to play a > > > merrily gallant warrior angel, patterned after Cyrano de Bergerac or > > > Reepicheep or the Three Musketeers? Malakite would be the obvious > > > choir. Can't I fit in a sense of humor? > > > > according to the APH, malakim don't enjoy humor, they are deadpan > > characters. > > Well, true. For the average malakim. But they aren't all humorless > individuals. Not every malakim is created equal. Besides, deadpan can be > extremely funny, as long as it is timed right. > > As long as you don't ask them to take their oaths or their duties lightly > they can have as good a sense of humor as anyone else (and probably better > than the seraphim. Now they strike me as humorless...). == --Querent USELESS FACT: The shape gamers call a "twenty sider" is an "icosahedron" to mathematicians. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:12:27 -0500 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance > I would be glad to know what other Malakite would have done in my > place... Antonio, my first (and only) Malakim character, would have done what you did. Suffered a point of dissonance for the life of the human-- then, the second that the human was safe, it woulda been demon hunting time.. I almost guarentee you that mr. balseperah wouldnt have made it that far without killing me first. Im intrested in hearing others opinions on this too... - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \\/// Brandon Lance Quina (x x) ICQ Number: 6809944 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:09:54 -0500 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Evolution (off-topic) Thanks, David, for this information. That URL proved very useful, and answered many of the questions that I have had for several years now. After hearing the "Creationist" theory my entire life, it is good to see the "other side" of the coin. In actuality (though, I'm not justifying Creationism in any way) I've always seen the creation story in Genesis as saying the same thing that Evolution Theory says, just written a little differently. YMMV. > >>>Biologists do experiments on mutating fruit flies (and other things with > heinously short life-cycles) though.<<< > > > Yeah, I went and did some checking -- www.talkorigins.org. Very useful > FAQS. Of course in In Nomine, they could all be the work of a Balseraph of > Technology.... > > -David Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, The Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, The Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:12:00 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Reliever becoming Angels > * What if an undead wanted to become POWERFUL. It's no longer human, > and it's not celestial. Could it achieve similar power to that of a > Saint? [If it's not crushed by a superior first, of course.] [Eliot] >It doesn't seem to be especially tricky. What *would* be tricky is >undoing the damage that the mummification process wrought on their >soul. > >From a semi-personal point of view, I certainly hope so. I've got an >interesting mummy character that would be a prime candidate for this. >I'm just waiting for Lucifer to appear and offer a boon... [Elizabeth] > Surrrreeeeee. In canon, even. Just keep quietly >building up those Forces... And don't let your bosses know. [Eliot] >I'd think it'd need to have it's undeath reversed somehow. >Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to go celestial... [Elizabeth] >Okay, except for the celestial part, they can get as powerful. I >was thinking "sheer power", rather than the celestial thingy. Yeah, undead going celestial just doesn't make sense to me... (On the other hand, since their soul is now part of their corpus, perhaps they exist in BOTH corporeal AND celestial realms... woah... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > *If it served Heaven, could it become a Saint? (or Saint equivalent) [Eliot] >Assuming the undeath could be reversed, sure. Otherwise, it's just >an undead in service to Heaven, instead of Hell. [Elizabeth] Ulp! Um. They'd have to detangle what was done to it. Hrm. Serious GM call there. Really? Hrm... Soul combined with Body... Yeah, that's a bit hard to unweave... - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes background of permanent pain to our lives." -Screwtape (From "The Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:16:04 -0500 (EST) From: "York H. Dobyns" Subject: IN> Seraphim and Forms Casca writes (in his signature): >"...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of >His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: >with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their >feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the >doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." > -- Isaiah 6:2,4 Hm, I had forgotten that passage (sounds familiar, so I'm sure I've seen it in the past.) Seraphim with *feet*? Sounds like a bit of slippage between IN descriptions and the, er, genre source material. But the issue of what Seraphim look like raises a question, at least for me... The IN text describes a Seraph as a winged, many-eyed serpent. The text doesn't mention *number* of wings that I recall, although the artists seem always to portray them with two. Now, do I recall correctly that in the Celestial realms, you always and only wear your Celestial form, no other options being available? Seraphic Celestial forms (and Ofanim) have the rather awkward trait of lacking any kind of manipulatory appendages. On the trivial level, this raises the question of how (in the initial confrontation of Lucifer's Fall) exactly did the Seraph Michael grapple with Lucifer and fling him from Heaven; the mind boggles at the notion of a couple of winged serpents "wrestling", let alone being able to locomote while so doing. More seriously, would it lend more of an air of "otherworldliness" to the characters to require Seraphim and Ofanim newly assigned to Earth (in human vessels) to spend some time getting used to having hands? York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu No one has yet succeeded in inventing a philosophy at once credible and self-consistent. -- Bertrand Russell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:18:20 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Malakite and dissonance >>>And a smart Balseraph would know this and require the Malakite to take that oath, at least a one-use oath.<<< Wouldn't work. Unless the Malakite already has an oath "Always keep my promises," he can tell the Balseraph anything he wants -- "Yes, I promise to let you go/Yes, I hereby take an oath that I shall let you go," but it doesn't have to be true. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:18:25 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> A resonance question >>>Unfortunately, I've noticed two exceptions. Under the Calabites, it specifies a number of minutes equal to the check digit of the failed roll. Under the Habbalah, it says that a failed resonance roll has no effect (bottom of p. 146). Presumably, this statement shouldn't be there, or should be modified to state that it doesn't affect other emotions the Habbalah wishes to inflict, but there it is.<<< And for Balseraphs as well things work a little differently -- I shouldn't have said *any* resonance roll. However, you are correct. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:18:22 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Relics >>>Relics are weird. The only good reason for Song-including relics is for cover.<<< The Liber Reliquarum will have a lot more good reasons for them. :) As far as character creation, yes, it doesn't make that much sense to buy a relic which is nothing more than a Song projector, as opposed to buying the Song. The primary advantages of relics are that they can have effects that don't *exactly* correspond to Songs, you can transfer them around (thus letting your friends borrow them), and you can reduce their cost with Features (a new name for what the main book calls Limitations). - -David (Editor, the Liber Reliquarum) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:19:59 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: RE: IN> The Company in IN "Ehrbar" writes: >>From: "Perry M. Lloyd" >>>2) Is there anyway for a human to soul-kill a celestial via technology? >> >>Can a celestial be soul-killed by technology? Ummm... well... >>Conservative answer: No. >>Liberal answer: Yes. >> >>I say.... Maybe. >"144,000 Altar candles?" > >"Check." > >"1,000 liters holy water?" > >"Check." > >"Two gross palm leaves?" > >"Affirm." > >"Affirm?" > >"Er, check." > >"1 metric ton St. Christopher medals, bronze?" > >"Check." > >"30 kilograms ammonium nitrate?" > >"Check." > >"OK. Let's see Vapula counter *this* one." Hell yeah! C'mon all you vapulan muthas, we gunna whup on yo' ass... Meanwhile, in the depths of Tartarus, the great experimenter has developed what it believes will be yet another step in the punishment of the weak and undeserving... Biological Warfare. It's hard to fight an enemy you can't see, taste, feel, smell, or hear... Vapula: "Retro is in these days. Can you say... RETROVIRUS?!" - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes background of permanent pain to our lives." -Screwtape (From "The Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:18:24 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Malakite and dissonance >>>I decided for my character that a human life saved now, was worth the dissonance for letting him go. So, we made a promise that if the human was returned to us, we'd let him go..for now. My question is thus, did I do the right thing? Is a human life more important to an angel (even a Malakim) than his oath(s) ??<<< Well, first of all, you forgot one qualifier concerning the Malakite oath - -- they cannot allow an evil to live *when it's their choice*. Of course, whether or not it's your choice depends on the circumstances. If your Superior told you "Protect that man at all costs," then you have no choice but to let the Balseraph go in order to save the man. Because of your Superior's orders, you're off the hook, dissonance-wise. However, yes, normally a Malakite would let the human die rather than letting the demon go. Unless he exercises his free will and chooses to take dissonance in order to save the human. So what your Malakite did was the right thing for HIM. How his Superior will see it depends on who his Archangel is... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:24:38 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Lilim of Eris At 09:29 09/01/98 -0800, you wrote: > So, I am trolling for suggestions; what >would the resonance be for such a lilim? Something with apples, I should >think... I think I'd be lazy and use the Lilim of Malphas resonance. Discord, Factions.. whats a fwe letters between friends. I think the intent is the same. Give her an apple which can attract people's attention if thats more fun ;) jo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:30:05 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Reliever becoming Angels If I were GM and wanted to un-undead something, I'd make it require a Superior intervention. Does *making* undead require Superior intervention? I forget. ("Let me get this straight. You want to be not un-dead, right? So that would be, like, dead. Right?") Novalis or Eli would be good Archangels to approach. Through an intermediary. I don't think there *are* any good Princes to approach, though you could always try to bargain with Lilith, I guess. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:38:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and Forms York H. Dobyns wrote: > Seraphim with *feet*? Sounds like a bit of slippage > between IN descriptions and the, er, genre source material. The word "seraph" resembles two other Hebrew words, one for "firey serpent," the other for "prince." People have used both when concocting descriptions, so there is a tradition in Western art of depicting seraphim robed in red, for fire, and in poetry for referring to them in terms of fire. (The snake bit was less popular.) But the actual passage from Isaiah, with hands and feet and all, suggests that the intended connection was to "princes of heaven." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:42:42 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> [STORY] "Your services will no longer be required." IN> [STORY] "Your services will no longer be required." by David Wood Oh, man... Merry Christmas to us. David, that kicked ass. :) Hoo boy... This'd work SO well into my Soldiers campaign... Heh, heh, heh... - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes background of permanent pain to our lives." -Screwtape (From "The Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:45:20 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: RE: IN> Happy New Year's >Happy New Year to everyone, I hope you had more to do than to sit here and >type "Happy New Year" to this list. > > >Jahon the lifeless Hey, man, *we* went dunking for worms. Gummi worms in a big thing of chocolate pudding... Ummm... and this relates to Haagenti! Yeah... That's why I posted this message. :) 1998, baby! Father Kronos keeps on ticking, as we just keep on licking! or something... - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes background of permanent pain to our lives." -Screwtape (From "The Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:45:50 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Malakite and dissonance At 14:18 09/01/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>>And a smart Balseraph would know this and require the Malakite to take >that oath, at least a one-use oath.<<< > > >Wouldn't work. Unless the Malakite already has an oath "Always keep my >promises," he can tell the Balseraph anything he wants -- "Yes, I promise >to let you go/Yes, I hereby take an oath that I shall let you go," but it >doesn't have to be true. Assume the Balseraph makes you swear on something it knows you won't want to dishonour ;-) ie. Swear on your sword and by your honour that you'll do XYZ... (Nb. If I were the Malakite I'd just tell the Bal 'If anything happens to that mortal you're going to die. You know it, I know it, he knows it. Let him go and I'll give you a count of 10 to start running'. Naturally I'd count quickly ;) ) jo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:23:20 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) At 2:12 PM -0600 1/8/98, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>At 11:00 PM -0500 1/7/98, Casca wrote: >>>Um...no. Shayla-Shayla is cute, albeit in a psycho Malakite of Fire sort >>>of way. Ifurita is just...spooky. >> >>Shayla-Shayla is kawaii (one i or 2?) > >2. Ka-wai-i. (thanks!) >and manic. And definitely >>Malakite of Fire with attitude. >> >But that would make the other two Priestesses Malakim as well- who would >they fall under? }:-{D Hm. I don't know if they're Malakim or not. Maybe. I think Air would have been an Elohite of some kind (*not* Wind, I think, though Creation in service to Wind might be possible). Water is a Novalisian. >>>Breast-weight negation is one of their special powers. (Sorta like how >>>half of the Image Comics heroines keep their costumes on.) >>They're full of helium. Is this why some have squeaky little voices? >Ai Orikasa doesn't have a squeaky voice. (Quite frankly, if I could marry a >voice- -just- a voice- I'd propose to Ai Orikasa's voice. }:-{D ) Which character would that be? (Yeah, Ryoga's voice is pretty close to that effect...) >>>>Chop half the voiceover stuff, and I agree. It's beautiful. But >>>>it dragged a little here and there. >>> >>>Phillistine. ;;;P >> >>Hey, so I started with Ranma 1/2 -- since when do you get voiceovers >>that go on for about five minutes in Ranma? > >Well, give Tatewaki Kunou a chance... }:-{D Since when has *ANYONE* given Tatewaki Kunou a chance?? See, that's the great part of it... At 5:08 PM +0000 1/8/98, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >On the other hand, he gets beaten pretty badly. If the narrators >were beaten for their monologues, it would probably make up for >it... Exactly! >> Hey, so I started with Ranma 1/2 -- since when do you get >> voiceovers that go on for about five minutes in Ranma? > >Ah, now I get it; that's the hidden downside. I'm going to be >spoiled for other anime. I *knew* dealing with the devil (or a >certified representative) was a bad idea... Ah, but you would have been spoiled anyway. We're just cutting to the chase here. >>>> Exactly. Elohim are ruthless, manipulative little space aliens. >>>> I adore them. >>> >>>And we love you back, Beth. We just can't do much about it, >>>because it's not practical. And we are nothing if not practical. >>> >>>Or logical ,:-! >> >> You're Elohite? > >Either that, or a Balseraph, and why would I lie about being an >Elohite? It's not like it's a glamor job, though the colleges *are* >very esteemed. You know, the prase "I am not a Balseraph" is always of dubious sincerity... >[Yes, I know I said Saint. I've changed my mind. It really does >fit, too - you just wouldn't know it.] Don't know... *Saph* ain't no Elohite... Have to get more data. >> Still, you shouldn't speak for *all* your Choir. I've *got* an >> Elohite... > >Who would either make the same choice, or start getting tattoos. > >[Ook, I just walked into that. So maybe I'm mildly dissonant...] But make *which* same choice? To be gotten? >>>[BTW - Beth, is it just me, or would you count as hentai >>>(personally, not genra-wise)?] >> >>I decline to answer that on the grounds that I am not a Servitor >>of Litheroy. O;> > >(Hmmm...whose resonance would spot that out for me? A Lilim might, >but she might not like resonanting her own. Or I could just force >you to watch some, and resonate at the juicy parts...) That's assuming that resonances work on Superiors. O;> / }>:| I mean, can you just see some poor Lilim trying to resonate Laurence? (Though he might think it was amusing to let her see: Needs to have Heaven win the War against Hell. (Yeah, let's see some poor Daughter do *that* hook, sure...)) Or Dommie. (Daughter limping away going "owowow" with an excedrine headache.) [Still dealing with non-urgent email from the 400 messages from vacation] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:02:14 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: RE: IN> Opening the Bidding Whoo Hoo!! Jo, that kicked ass! I love love the near social faux-pas! - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes background of permanent pain to our lives." -Screwtape (From "The Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: Re: IN> Words of the Fallen I think it's a given. It seems likely that because he is able to hand out words left and right, he is himself wordless. However, he has often been referred to as the Prince of Darkness. This however rates him as a Prince. I would argue that this is indeed the case in In Nomine as well. All of the fallen of hell were either created or, like Lucifer, angels who fell. Because he was first amongst the angels, he must have been very powerful. He is obviously so now. This would basicly set him as most damned of the damned, but not so different from the other demon princes who have much less power than he does. For one thing, if the Lightbringer has taken upon himself the word of Darkness, he is receiving a grossly monstrous amount of essence. Wherever there is pain, fear, guilt, or secrecy, there is darkness. This would set him as not so much an infernal rival of God, but rather a fallen Archangel, a Demon Prince, with many lesser demons below him. After all, every single demonic word can be illustrated as a limited subset of the word of Darkness. - ---Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > I would also be concerned about whether Lucifer lost his word or not. > If he did, then everything is (relatively) safer, but if he didn't, > well...you know how insane Gabby is because of Belial? Can you say > Seraphic Smear? == --Querent USELESS FACT: The shape gamers call a "twenty sider" is an "icosahedron" to mathematicians. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:08:27 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: Re: Re: IN> Fwd: What 'he' finally did... >>>AFAIK, neither are zebras, iguanas, or parakeets... > >or dinosaurs... :) or penguins! They're artificial, remember! Orangatangs, Panthers, the Great Mountian Lion. (I think) Goldfish, Jersey Cows, all these animals are SATAN SPAWN!!! - -sigh- AFAIK: In fact, we few animals are mentioned in the orginial holy texts by name, at least by english name (since original texts were not in english, barring the mormon texts, I guess). - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes background of permanent pain to our lives." -Screwtape (From "The Screwtape Letters", by C.S. Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:37:44 -0500 From: Matthias Mueller Subject: IN> Of Vessels and Roles... Something I've been pondering recently: To what extent can Celestials control the appearance of a vessel they generate ? Do they even create them themselves or do they apply for one by their Superior ? If they can create their own vessels, what would keep them from having one that looks exactly like Michael Jackson, the pope or Bill Clinton ? About Roles: the same thing - do they get them from their Superior or tailor them on their own ? And how is a high level Role created ? I mean, take the Police Officer example - there are all the files and papers, a mug with your name on it and your fellow policemen know you. Does all this pop into existence once you've bought the Role - and has it been there ever since your Role says you started the job ? Is the whole Symphony/reality being changed just to accomodate your Role or are just some pieces of evidence and faked memories created ? Could you murder somebody and afterwards get a Vessel with his appearance and his Role ? Could you do this while he/she is still alive ? (So you could really be Jackson, the pope...) Well, I may sound confused but there are lots of possibilities I just haven't thought about until know. Looking forward to your theories... -Matioki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:41:58 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) >At 2:12 PM -0600 1/8/98, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>and manic. And definitely >>>Malakite of Fire with attitude. >>> >>But that would make the other two Priestesses Malakim as well- who would >>they fall under? }:-{D > >Hm. I don't know if they're Malakim or not. Maybe. They refer to each other as 'sisters.' I think Air >would have been an Elohite of some kind (*not* Wind, I think, though >Creation in service to Wind might be possible). Water is a Novalisian. Actually, I'd have Miz Mistahl (Water) be a Malakite of Novalis and Afura Mann (Wind) be a Malakite of Jean. >>>>Breast-weight negation is one of their special powers. (Sorta like how >>>>half of the Image Comics heroines keep their costumes on.) >>>They're full of helium. Is this why some have squeaky little voices? >>Ai Orikasa doesn't have a squeaky voice. (Quite frankly, if I could marry a >>voice- -just- a voice- I'd propose to Ai Orikasa's voice. }:-{D ) > >Which character would that be? (Yeah, Ryoga's voice is pretty >close to that effect...) Among many roles, she is best known here in America as the original seiyuu for Ryoko from the various TenchiMuyo! series. >>>I decline to answer that on the grounds that I am not a Servitor >>>of Litheroy. O;> >> >>(Hmmm...whose resonance would spot that out for me? A Lilim might, >>but she might not like resonanting her own. Or I could just force >>you to watch some, and resonate at the juicy parts...) > >That's assuming that resonances work on Superiors. O;> / }>:| >I mean, can you just see some poor Lilim trying to resonate >Laurence? (Though he might think it was amusing to let her see: >Needs to have Heaven win the War against Hell. (Yeah, >let's see some poor Daughter do *that* hook, sure...)) Or >Dommie. (Daughter limping away going "owowow" with an >excedrine headache.) ("And I thought Andrealphus was kinky! Great blazes of Sheol, but I'm going to be off sex for a century or two....") Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:54:21 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Relics > The Liber Reliquarum will have a lot more good reasons for them. :) > > As far as character creation, yes, it doesn't make that much sense to buy a > relic which is nothing more than a Song projector, as opposed to buying the > Song. The primary advantages of relics are that they can have effects that > don't *exactly* correspond to Songs, you can transfer them around (thus > letting your friends borrow them), and you can reduce their cost with > Features (a new name for what the main book calls Limitations). > > -David (Editor, the Liber Reliquarum) David, any word on when LR is likely to hit the shelves? And (he said greedily) the contributors get their copies? Oh, and look: new non-obscene .sig! I even avoided using the bit of the song that contained the S-word... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia (No killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants) Car wash (also on Sundays) No longer afraid of the dark Or midday shadows Nothing so ridiculously teenage and desperate RADIOHEAD, "Fitter Happier" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #558 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.