From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Nov 1 23:50:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25640 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:50:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA11012 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:37:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:37:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199811020537.XAA11012@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1001 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, November 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1001 In this digest: Re: IN> funny game quotes and questions Re: IN> symphony question Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? Re: IN> symphony question IN> Sorcery Question IN> Re: IN- IN- disease question IN> Re: IN- Renegades IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Sypmhonic background noise (was: symphony question) IN> Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? IN> Re: IN- disease question IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? IN> Numinous Corpus question IN> Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? Re: IN> a little revelations humor IN> Re: Sex, lies and Celestials IN> 1st post IN> Liber Servitorum IN> How would you ... IN> Ultra-brief NPC idea Re: IN> Breathless... Re: IN> How would you ... Re: IN> How would you ... Re: IN> How would you ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:04:16 EST From: Akumsa@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> funny game quotes and questions In a message dated 10/31/98 9:37:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter.witney@kobal.demon.co.uk writes: << > >I ask him f he's sure, then tell him he gets the 3rd degree from her. Later >his night is on fire, and I keep making bad puns untill he gives up. They >eventually shut up. > You mean some fool has actually tried it IYW? peter.witney@kobal.demon.co.uk >> To quote Steve Austin: "Oh hell yeah!" Some guy thought it would be funny to hit on Novalis, he smartened up some weeks later, waking up nude in a field tied up by vines. Novalis CAN be somewhat exciting if you know what she likes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Maberry <98fa040@dvc.edu> Subject: Re: IN> symphony question On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Peter Witney wrote: > Definitely not. The untimely death of a human, coinciding almost exactly > with someone going celestial? That would be something to investigate. Except the death of the soldier didn't cause a disturbance, because he was killed by a human. All anyone would hear is a celestial form. CLAVDIVS "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've A.K.A. Daniel Maberry got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." 98fa040@dvc.edu "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:22:01 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Maberry <98fa040@dvc.edu> Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Perry Lloyd wrote: > No offense meant, D-Man, but have *you* ever been raped? I haven't, but > more than enough of my friends have and being unconscious (and in the > Marches, I believe) is NOTHING like being raped. Violated, maybe, but I > feel a bit violated every time I feel the stretch of my pacemaker > beneath my skin, and I had a *choice* to do that. Calm down, please. You sound like you're taking this a little too personally... As for the rape comparison, I wasn't referring to being unconscious for x period of time while the Kyrios riding you. I'm talking about KNOWING what happened in that time period if you ever found out. Basically, it amounts to realizing that your body has been used for somebody else's purposes without your consent. THAT'S the comparison I was making. The Kyrio certainly would have a better perspective, but I doubt *I* would. This, I think, is why Kyrio hosts don't remember anything: it prevents them from figuring out that they were possessed, and feeling violated because of it, which would count as harm to the host. CLAVDIVS "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've A.K.A. Daniel Maberry got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." 98fa040@dvc.edu "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:49:48 +0100 (CET) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> symphony question On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Daniel Maberry wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Peter Witney wrote: > > > Definitely not. The untimely death of a human, coinciding almost exactly > > with someone going celestial? That would be something to investigate. > > Except the death of the soldier didn't cause a disturbance, because > he was killed by a human. All anyone would hear is a celestial form. Which is why she had him kill him, which is what the whole discussion is about. She -didn't- kill him to avoid the situation above. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! May you have the knowledge of a sage, and the wisdom of a child. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 05:18:52 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Sorcery Question Okay, so... on Marches pg 62 for Focus/4 (Create Spirit Anchor) it says: "anything possessing a corporeal vessel is simply not affected" Yet, on Marches pg 58 under Summon/1 (Summon a random ethereal spirit from the marches) it says: "[in order to summon one] it must have a corporeal vessel" This implies that ethereal spirits CANNOT be affected by spirit anchors, so *Why* are they called spirit anchors? On Marches pg 58 under Summon/2 (summon demonling) there is no mention of demonlings needing corporeal vessels in order to be summoned. So, might we rename "Spirit Anchor" "Demonling Anchor" ??? Confused, - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation and sometimes Tanniael, Archangel of Tea Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 05:32:09 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- IN- disease question >At 1:09 AM -0500 10/30/98, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>Can angels contract rabies? I've been searching for canon on this >>issue... > >So have I. All I found was some old playtest stuff that said that >vessels had to deal with food and sleep and disease (IIRC, since >I was only skimming it...). However, the Makatiel sidebar in the >Dominic section of _Heaven & Hell_ implies quite the opposite. > >I figure that vessels don't get sick. Angelic or demonic. Huh, okay... Celestials can be *carriers* for rabies, though. "Careful, I bite!" >(Perry, are you okay? You seem a little... manic. Did you turn into >an Ofanite?) Noooo... I fell into the classic Grigori trap, you know, falling for a woman that, well, God just doesn't want you to have... -sigh- I'll be okay, I 'spose... Well, not FALLING falling, sheesh... you know what I mean. Man, I hope I don't in trouble for teaching her all those "secret arts"... crap... - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation and sometimes Tanniael, Archangel of Tea Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 05:50:37 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Renegades >> A Superior bestows an Attunement or Distinction *once*, whereupon it >> continues to function without assistance from the Superior. Rites, on the >> other hand, require the Superior's involvement. As evidence I offer the >> fact that Attunements and Distinctions continue to function if a Superior >> dies, while Rites cease to function. > >There's a distinction between leaving your Superior and having your >Superior leave you. A Distinction is a matter of respect and honor; if >your Superior dies or vanishes, you wouldn't lose that, because you >haven't done anything wrong. Likewise, an Attunement is granted by your >Superior, and if he dies, there's no reason for you to lose it. > >However, if _you_ abandon your _Superior_, that's a different story; >especially when he's a Demon Prince. If you take off and go Renegade - >for political reasons or Discordance - your Superior's not going to be >happy, and your Attunements and Distinctions are going to vanish with >the snap of his fingers. Chris, this is your GM talking. You're wrong. It doesn't work that way. An attunement is like having your bones replaced with titanium (sp?), it won't go away when you reject the guy who put it in, only when he takes back (and it won't leave you looking too pretty...) Distinctions are much the same way, if you give a General a Medal, you won't get that medal back till you TAKE it back. Yeah, you can tell everyone you can that he's not to be obeyed before you get to him, but till then everyone who sees him will still see the medal and honor it appropriately. >> Whyever would leaving Hell be abandoning one's demonic nature? The first >> demons rebelled against their home, after all.... > >Yes, they did, and you don't see many demons with angelic attunements or >resonances, do you? :) No, because when an angel falls from grace he loses his Symphony (that of GOD) and it is replaced with his own *personal* Syomphony. It's two totally different pieces of music, the Attunements don't carry over, and I sure as hell don't see how a Resonance could carry over (except for the Lilim, but they aren't technically Angels, Fallen or no, anyway). - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation and sometimes Tanniael, Archangel of Tea Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 05:53:54 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Sypmhonic background noise (was: symphony question) >> Tee hee... Go Balseraphim!!! >> >> "Okay, I roll to convince the Symphony that I have a gun." >> "Yes!!! sucess with a check of 6!!" >> >> "Fine, you have a gun, next?" > >In our regular game, we have "Glamour," which is the power to create >purely visual and auditory effects by twiddling with light and sound >waves, and then there is "Second-Order Glamour," which is described >by the GM as "convincing the universe to treat the target as if >it were something else." This sounds like the same idea. > >Earl Ooooohhh... neat! In Nomine/Changeling?? I haven't read the Changeling stuff, but, I believe there's Glamour stuff in there. Cool, is there a relationship between Glamour and Essence? - -Perry, KFC Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:07:06 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? >>>>No offense meant, D-Man, but have *you* ever been raped? I haven't, but > >more than enough of my friends have and being unconscious (and in the >Marches, I believe) is NOTHING like being raped.<<< > > >Have you ever had your body possessed and woken up three days later with no >memory of what happened, only to find out you'd been doing really strange >things....? And you? Perhaps you've had a fugue, I haven't. It's the only thing I can think of that's close to it in the human experience. That and I, as a GM, would rule that leaving a person in that kind of state might very well qualify as "leaving a body in worse shape than he found it" GM: "Okay, so you leave this some-body in the allyway?" Kyrio: "yeah, sure, he'll be fine." GM: "Not psychologically. As you leave the body you feel the mightly smack of dissonance." Kyrio: "Hey, but I thought" GM: "You thought wrong; you learn the hard way." >I think whether or not someone would feel raped would depend a lot on the >individual, but it's not an inappropos analogy. IYO, it's not, IMO, it is. Vive la difference, je suppose... >There're lots of other silly reasons to jump on people -- let's not include >earnestly PC expressions of righteous indignation. I believe I took the portrayal of Kyriotates as rapists a little personally.... || || \/ - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation and sometimes Tanniael, Archangel of Tea Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:11:02 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- disease question >> At 1:09 AM -0500 10/30/98, Perry Lloyd wrote: >> >Can angels contract rabies? I've been searching for canon on this >> >issue... >> >> So have I. All I found was some old playtest stuff that said that >> vessels had to deal with food and sleep and disease (IIRC, since >> I was only skimming it...). However, the Makatiel sidebar in the >> Dominic section of _Heaven & Hell_ implies quite the opposite. >> >> I figure that vessels don't get sick. Angelic or demonic. > > That's the tack I take. Except for specially designed >bugs, of course. Yiurg.... - -Perry, KFC Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:15:52 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? >> No offense meant, D-Man, but have *you* ever been raped? I haven't, but >> more than enough of my friends have and being unconscious (and in the >> Marches, I believe) is NOTHING like being raped. Violated, maybe, but I >> feel a bit violated every time I feel the stretch of my pacemaker >> beneath my skin, and I had a *choice* to do that. > >Calm down, please. You sound like you're taking this a little too >personally... Yeah, well, I'm good at it and I've always been told to do what I'm good at... >As for the rape comparison, I wasn't referring to being unconscious for x >period of time while the Kyrios riding you. I'm talking about KNOWING what >happened in that time period if you ever found out. For me, I saw a big difference between finding out later about it and actually being conscious for it. Basically, it amounts >to realizing that your body has been used for somebody else's purposes >without your consent. THAT'S the comparison I was making. The Kyrio >certainly would have a better perspective, but I doubt *I* would. Yeah, I can see that. This, I >think, is why Kyrio hosts don't remember anything: it prevents them from >figuring out that they were possessed, and feeling violated because of it, >which would count as harm to the host. That'd do it. :) - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Novalis and sometimes Tanniael, Archangel of Tea Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:00:35 -0500 From: Matthias Mueller Subject: IN> Numinous Corpus question In the Song description, it says "For a number of hours equal to the Song roll's check digit, you may make these bodily changes appear or disappear at will. Each Numinous Corpus costs 1 Essence to invoke." I take it that this means every invocation of claws, horns etc. within the Song's duration costs 1 Essence contrary to just 1 Essence for the whole duration and all the invocations within it. Is this right ? Bye, -Matioki Instant madness - just add brain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:59:36 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotates-careless children? A friend of mine pointed out that the real rapists among the Kyriotates are the ones who serve Yves. They just don't borrow your body. They borrow your mind as well. Sure, you don't remember it, but you've still had an alien being rifling through your memories and dirty little secrets. Whether he used them against you or not doesn't matter. (A good Kyriotate wouldn't, anyway) He knows them. If the person somehow found this out, I think he'd feel violated. I know that all Shedim can do this. You expect it of them. Yours, Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 22:57:50 -0000 From: "The Anti-Santa" Subject: Re: IN> a little revelations humor >As i was going to st. Ives >I met a beast with seven heads >the seven heads had seven horns >the seven horns had seven diadems >the seven diadems had blasphemous names >names diadems horns heads >how many were going to st ives > Dunno... how about asking Samuel L. Jackson and Bruce Willis... they might know Nagasaki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:45:04 From: "CA Smith" Subject: IN> Re: Sex, lies and Celestials >Matthew D. Gandy wrote: > > > I dunno about dating, but one of my players asked if his character >could be a female Malakite and one of Gabriel's former lovers (after her >self-imposed exile from Heaven began). I said no, at first (because I was >concerned about the PC's connection to Gabriel as being too serious for a >PC to have as part of their background, not the homosexual angle). Celestials have no sex, therefore the Malakite merely has a female vessel, Gabriel is usually seen as female because that is the most common vessel she is seen in, or is it that she's always in a bad mood and has VIOLENT mood swings Chris Smith Gremlim of Vapula Why do Calabim of Belial think bigger is better? a little snip here, a little snip there... and all hell breeaks loose! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:02:00 -0700 From: Hunter Nielsen Subject: IN> 1st post - --------------71B24FAA3F6E1D642DE75277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ive been a member of this list for about a week and I finally decided that I should introduce myself, my names Hunter, my favorite angel(archangel) is Michael, and my favorite fallen angel is Lucifer. - --------------71B24FAA3F6E1D642DE75277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Ive been a member of this list for about a week and I finally decided that I should introduce myself, my names Hunter, my favorite angel(archangel) is Michael, and my favorite fallen angel is Lucifer. - --------------71B24FAA3F6E1D642DE75277-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:10:38 From: "Paul" Subject: IN> Liber Servitorum The book of servitors(?) is on the horizon... how far do we have to look to see anything... assuming it is going to go on playtest, anybody know when... are you allowed to say? thankyou, oh so nice friendly people... I'll have a geas then... Paul friend computer am I cleared to know about 'Liber Servitorum'... oh! Ofanite: i'm doing something... i'm busy waiting. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:41:48 -0600 From: CyberSavant Subject: IN> How would you ... How would you define the following in IN NOMINE terms: The CROW BRIMSTONE as in the tv shows. thanks CyberSavant email: cybersavant@dlcwest.com aa308@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca AIM: cybrsvnt http:// www.dlcwest.com/~cybersavant www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~aa308 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Ultra-brief NPC idea From an off-the-cuff remark I just made in an email that ended up bouncing its way around my brain, convincing me I had to share... An Ofanite of Yves, Master of Destiny, with the Kyriotate resonance and Hyperactive/6. Yeah, babysit THAT for a day...:) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! ::: Thinking about a Tampa Bay Devival in the future - email me! ::: Or go to http://www.cris.com/~pkitty (hell, go there anyways!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 03:28:34 +0000 From: Roland Ward Subject: Re: IN> Breathless... Perry Lloyd wrote: > Here's a neat thought. How long can a Celestial hold its breath? > > I'd say, # min. = Strength Characteristic. > > Rationale? Average Human -> four minutes yields brain death. > I don't know - this is one of these things I like to have special about celestial vessel (as well as neverneeding food and not ageing) - that they can't actually drown per se. "How long's that guy been down there, Bob?" "Well, I guess half an hour, and he hasn't popped up since" "I guess that awnsers whether he's a angel or not then, Bob..." Roland :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:16:58 EST From: Heretic103@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> How would you ... In a message dated 11/1/98 6:46:41 PM Central Standard Time, cybersavant@dlcwest.com writes: << The CROW BRIMSTONE as in the tv shows. thanks CyberSavant >> The Crow the tv show is disgraceful attempt at copying the gothic action and dept that The Crow the movie had. The acting is horrible, half the secenes are in the day time, The fight secenes are shameful. Brimstone on the other hand is a great soldiers story. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:29:08 EST From: Akumsa@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> How would you ... In a message dated 11/1/98 7:46:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, cybersavant@dlcwest.com writes: << How would you define the following in IN NOMINE terms: The CROW >> Thats a toughie, since in the movie yer hinted at the fact his is an avenging angel. I tend to think of him more as a Soldier of God, sent back to earth to punish those people who killed him. Moreover, the whole think has DEFINATE signs of Yves's intervention (with a touch of help from Michael and Dominic, hence the reason this is rare). That of course makes his killers either: Zombies or Mummies. That DEFINATELY makes Top Dollar either a Demon or a very high ranking Soldier of God. Oh and the show sucks, do yerself a favor and dont watch it. The only Cool part is the Lead actor who CAN pull of the crow scenes he is given, but for the love of god, give him a BIRD to hand around with (as in the Flying kind for you british folks out there). <> Easily answerd, Lucifer, in one of his odd moods, decides to send a soul back to earth to recover a few things he 'lost'. Other demons (other than his targets) are supposed to stay out of his way. This person is probably a Soldier of Hell, working for redemption with Lucifer's blessing. His is some other Tv Related things: The Pretender: Soldier of God (Etherial Based), Kept in a prison run by a Servitor of Asmodeous, in order to Draw info about destroying earth. Escapes with hitherto unmentioned Angelic intervention, and decides to go on a niceness rampage. The Simpson's Mr. Burns: DEFINATLY a Servitor of Gluttony's Sub-word, Greed. (This could make Smithers a Mercurian of Destiny) The Simpson's Bart Simpson: Servitor/Soldier of Janus, stuck in Springfield (Probably on Orders, thus no dissonance) The Simpson's Homer Simpson: Being influenced by a Demon of Gluttony. Ned Flanders: Mercurian of Flowers, MUCH INTO RELIGON ("God said to Noah, theres gonna be a Floody Floody. Rain Came down, it started to get Muddy Muddy.") Walker, Texas Ranger: Servitor of Micheal (Hey he DOES cheat on occasion) Martial Law's Sammo Hung: Servitor of Michael loaned to the Angel of SlapStick. Law And Order's Sam McCoy: NOT under the Control of Dominic and DEFINATLY NOT A Seraf. Probably an Elhoite who takes his job to seriously. Star Trek DS9's Worf: Servitor of Laurence, probably a Malakite. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John T Perkowski, Ofanite of Arcade Games MASTER of Attunements (Go ahead, Gimme a word and some details, and in 24 hours, you'll get yerself some attunements). "Never try a Hotfoot Gag on an Ofanite of Gabriel, he'll never notice." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> How would you ... On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, CyberSavant wrote: > How would you define the following in IN NOMINE terms: > > The CROW An Etherial spirit who inhabits the corpses of the recently deceased. Without a personality of it's own, it acts on the memories and personalities of it's host. Being a spirit of trickery and war (the two most commmon things symbolized by the crow), it begins to seek vengeance for it's new memories of betrayal and murder. > BRIMSTONE I've not seen the show, but from what I've heard... A Saint, rescued from Hell to serve War. Richard "Mr. Uriel" Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1001 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.