From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Nov 12 17:51:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04505 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:51:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA21775 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:39:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:39:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199811122339.RAA21775@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1013 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1013 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Re: IN> Lilith and Freedom IN> Animal Power Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! IN> More Stupid Combat House Rules Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Re: IN> Lilith and Freedom [none] IN> Re: IN> Demons in Tethers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:30:24 -0600 From: Eeyore Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > The Kyrio can use his own Str, but if the joints don't bend in a > certain way -- they don't bend in a certain way! A cat can't have > a prehensile tail just because a Kyriotate is in it, nor does it > sprout thumbs. Neither will it be able to make certain moves that > require a human-style collarbone. > > Not muscles. Musculature. Skeletal structure. Cats are meant to > be horizontal, not doing jump-kicks. Okay. No thumbs, and limited to a cat-capable motions. Still, there's plenty left. We've got four of the beasts in the house and they're made out of Silly Putty. We've got one that actually can walk around vertically, though admittedly only for a brief time. And I most certainly do not want to get raked by one of them using a Kyrio's strength, short lever-arm or no. ("Nice kitty. Down kitty. Kitty, may I have my thumbback, please?") J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:34:53 -0500 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Eeyore wrote: > > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > Just remember -- a cat has neither the mass nor the musculature to > > take advantage of bruce-lee maneuvers. This is rather self-correcting... > > Uhm, I thought the reason that a Kyriotate didn't have to worry about doing > muscular damage to a couch potato host when doing martial arts was that the > angel wasn't actually using the hosts muscles. Did I miss something along > the way in this discussion? It's not the STRENGTH of the musculature, it's the length and leverage. A cat does not have the skeleton of a human being no matter how strong it is. It's limbs are shorter and placed differently. The muscles are attached differently. I think you'll find most martial arts techniques were designed with a human-shaped (and sized) body in mind! ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:43:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Lilith and Freedom In article , Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 1:44 PM -0500 11/10/98, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > >Elizabeth McCoy, Line Editor and Author of the Lilith expanded Superior > >section in FotM. She's also the one who has (not terribly subtly) > >implied that Leslie Fish is one of Lilith's Vessels. > Did *NOT*! Actually, I was thinking Lilith was one of Fish's fans... > ("Those clever mortals! What *will* they do next!") Or that Fish was > a Soldier. Heh. I remember reading that section as "someone's trying not to imply that Leslie is Lilith, but they aren't succeeding." Actually, while I find Leslie a good start for understanding how Lilith might look at the world, she isn't nearly selfish enough for the job :-) (OK, so *now* I'm dead :-) > *sniff* Fish is as human as the next mortal in IN. Of course, one time in three the next mortal turns out to be an angel, a demon or Eli... - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:18:18 +0000 From: Peter Witney Subject: IN> Animal Power At 05:30 PM 11/11/98 -0600, J. Michael Neal wrote: >Okay. No thumbs, and limited to a cat-capable motions. Still, there's plenty >left. We've got four of the beasts in the house and they're made out of Silly >Putty. We've got one that actually can walk around vertically, though >admittedly only for a brief time. And I most certainly do not want to get >raked by one of them using a Kyrio's strength, short lever-arm or no. I concur. Having just been viciously assaulted by a juvenile terrorist of a cat (with a neat pattern of scratches down my arm to prove it), it is no great leap of imagination to see kitty literally rending people limb from limb. I suspect this is a favourite of Jordi's Cherubim. For further consideration on the power of Celestial animal vessels, I have a two inch purple bruise on my other arm, where a rabbit mistook my green shirt for a cabbage leaf. Pete "Never underestimate the power of a hamster" - The Odd Squad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:29:52 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > I think you'll find most martial arts techniques > were designed with a human-shaped (and sized) body in mind! ;) In our main campaign, which blends SF and fantasy, we have races of transgenic animals, including neo-cats and neo-dogs. They have their own martial arts -- nekodo ("the Way of the Cat") and inudo ("the Way of the Dog") -- which involve learning how best to, for instance, trip members of larger species, and where *exactly* to dig in claws or teeth for best effect, or to hit the ol' acupuncture meridian in totally non-therapeutic ways. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:00:43 -0500 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > > I think you'll find most martial arts techniques > > were designed with a human-shaped (and sized) body in mind! ;) > > In our main campaign, which blends SF and fantasy, we have > races of transgenic animals, including neo-cats and neo-dogs. > They have their own martial arts -- nekodo ("the Way of the Cat") > and inudo ("the Way of the Dog") -- which involve learning how > best to, for instance, trip members of larger species, and where > *exactly* to dig in claws or teeth for best effect, or to hit > the ol' acupuncture meridian in totally non-therapeutic ways. That's why I said 'most'. I've played in enough SF and cross-genre games to know that there are other body forms/martial arts style than what has been invented for humans. ;) IMO, though, races with significant natural weaponry would be less inclined to develop martial arts. Many techniques developed on earth was to compensate for the lack of weaponry, or to overcome the relatively non-dangerous human form. Along those same lines, though, in Phil Foglio's Gallimaufry (sp!) universe, every sentient species has invented ninjas suitable to their race... including uplifted earth cats and dogs! If you don't mind busting a gut laughing, I highly recommend his newly-completed 12 issue Buck Godot series that includes this concept. (You can find it in back issues, but it might be reprinted in a collected format. Worth the time, either way!) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:11:08 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! I second the recommendation for Foglio's "Buck Godot" books. Very funny. For an indirect link to In Nomine, he did the illustrations for "IOU" by our own Beth. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 98 13:08 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! >I second the recommendation for Foglio's "Buck Godot" books. >Very funny. For an indirect link to In Nomine, he did the >illustrations for "IOU" by our own Beth. Not so indirect -- we were fans of his (Buck Godot, What's New, and XXXenophile), and suggested him as the ideal illustrator for IOU. Incidentally, Phil had a co-artist on IOU (his wife, Kaja), and Elizabeth had a co-author.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:56:11 -0700 (MST) From: Jason Corley Subject: IN> More Stupid Combat House Rules After cruising through the various In Nomine sites and perusing the various house rules for combat (I'm about two weeks from re-awakening my LA game), I have to admit that I wasn't satisfied by any of them, and here's why: The main problems I had with combat in the first game were: A) A relatively wimpy person or Celestial can be corporeally killed in a - -laughably- easy manner, with only a couple of really serious check digits. B) A relatively tough person or Celestial -could not be corporeally killed or even seriously injured at all- with corporeal guns. I'm still thinking about what to do about A. I sort of like the 'compress Hits scale' idea that recently went up at the In Nomine collection, but haven't worked through it yet. Here's my solution for B: In ranged combat, if the attack roll is successful and the Dodge roll is successful, check digits are compared - but if the Dodge's check digit is higher, the person takes no damage. Successful burst or automatic fire reduces the Dodge check digit by 1. Damage is the Power of the gun minus the applicable armor of the target. All guns will get a Power rating. It's oversimplified, yes, and doesn't take into account being 'grazed' by bullets, but it seems to make more sense. For 'cinematic' Dodging, you can eliminate the 'burst or automatic' penalty to Dodge - as Feng Shui so nicely puts it: in the movies, automatic weapons are better only for the massive property damage they cause. Anyone spot any problems with this that I'm overlooking? Surely there must be one. Jason onwards ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:26:13 -0500 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Kyriotate of....DESTINY!!!! Walter Milliken wrote: Not so indirect -- we were fans of his (Buck Godot, What's New, and > XXXenophile), and suggested him as the ideal illustrator for IOU. Yup. There was no better choice, so I'm glad you got him! > Incidentally, Phil had a co-artist on IOU (his wife, Kaja), and > Elizabeth had a co-author.... > > ---Walter Yeah, there was some loser involved as well... can't remember his name though. =) =) =) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:02:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lilith and Freedom At 10:43 PM +0000 11/11/98, Rhodri James wrote: >In article , [...] >>>implied that Leslie Fish is one of Lilith's Vessels. > >> Did *NOT*! Actually, I was thinking Lilith was one of Fish's fans... >>("Those clever mortals! What *will* they do next!") Or that Fish was >>a Soldier. > >Heh. I remember reading that section as "someone's trying not to imply >that Leslie is Lilith, but they aren't succeeding." *sigh* Leslie in IN might count as a Soldier, but... *sigh* >Actually, while I >find Leslie a good start for understanding how Lilith might look at the >world, she isn't nearly selfish enough for the job :-) Actually, I'll agree. >(OK, so *now* I'm dead :-) (You are? Why?) >> *sniff* Fish is as human as the next mortal in IN. > >Of course, one time in three the next mortal turns out to be an angel, a >demon or Eli... One rather hopes that it's not *that* bad. Surely it's only one time in 10? O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:10:47 PST From: "Steve Marco" Subject: [none] Dear Everybody, What happens to a demon steps into an Angelic tether, do take damage? Thanks Steve Marco ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:24:04 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: At 3:10 PM -0800 11/12/98, Steve Marco wrote: >Dear Everybody, >What happens to a demon steps into an Angelic tether, do take damage? If in a vessel or host, no, not unless he has a Discord that causes this to be the case. (Some do.) Some demons believe that certain very holy angelic Tethers can do damage even in a vessel. Such as Notre Dame. If a demon is celestial, then yes, they take damage. The Tetherbook has more detail. It is forthcoming. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 98 18:35 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> Demons in Tethers >What happens to a demon steps into an Angelic tether, do take damage? Normally only if they're in celestial form. In a vessel, they're protected from the effects. It's possible that this might not be true for a specific Tether or two, but generally, an angelic Tether can only affect demons in celestial form. - ---Walter ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1013 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.