From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Nov 16 11:03:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA22734 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:03:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA03511 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:30:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:30:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199811161630.KAA03511@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1016 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1016 In this digest: IN> Re: IN- ADV:CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE Who's got the word SPAM? IN> DefCon 666 Re: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare Re: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare IN> Night Music/Final Trumpet Questions. Re: IN> Re: IN- ADV:CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE Who's got the word SPAM? IN> Matters of Skill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:35:35 -0500 From: John Irish Higgins Subject: IN> Re: IN- ADV:CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE Who's got the word SPAM? >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:30:41 EST >From: "Perry Lloyd" >>Well, which Prince has Spam underneath him? Nybbas, Vapula or Kobal? > >*sigh*, HELLO, Gluttony? The Consume Attunement? > >As for "Spamming", I'd say Nybbas. Spamming doesn't really *further* >technology, so Vappie's out. Kobal's has more class than "Spamming". >Nybbas seems perfect to me. *Maybe* Malphas... According to the Infernal Players Guide, pg. 92 (under Changing Words,) the Demon of Spam formerly served Haagenti, but now reports to Nybbas as the meaning of his word has changed. I strongly suspect that he originally gained his word during WWII, or that it was the result of Lucifer's sense of humor. -John Higgins (jdh@glblnet.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:56:25 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> DefCon 666 Okay, here i am, at my computer listening to an album called Seven Souls by Material (go buy!), and along comes a track called 'Soul Killer'. Now the music accompanies a spoken word skit by William Burroughs from, i believe, The Western Lands... 'Can any soul survive the searing fireball of an atomic blast? If human and animal souls are seen as electromagnetic force fields, such fields could be totally disprupted by a nuclear explosion. The mummy's nightmare; disintegration of souls, and this is precisely the ultrasecret and supersensitive function of the atomic bomb.' Got me thinking that did, about the nature of Armageddon! And they weren't happy thoughts, either! Basically, atomic bombs can disrupt Celestial Forces - ie they can destroy angels and demons totally - maybe even Superiors (heck why not!) at Ground Zero! (Sorry Belial!) So who would build such a device? Methinks a third party, humans? Well with a little help, from the Grigori. I have always seen them as fitting that role, and thereby allying themselves with humanity to see that we arent manipulated by either, hated, side. Of course this means that humans are just manipulated even more! So, the Final Battle becomes a horrific scene as NUclear Holocaust beckons, once the nature of the celestial forces around us is revealed. The only way ot seems to destory that threat (Heaven or Hell) is to nuke it, Mr President. "How in, in GOd's name can i authorise a first strike on Heaven?"the pen slipped from the tired grasp of the western worlds most powerful leader. "It's the only way, sir" The President turned to the Pope, the first time His Eminence had ever joined the Chiefs-of-Staff ona any occasion. He just shook his head. Everything he knew had been turned upside down in recent weeks. Was Hevaen worse than Hell. the cross around his neck now hung like an albatross. "Can we trust these, Grigori?" For the first time, the tall general at the back of the room spoke, his eyes narroed piercingly underlining his now broadcast thoughts. "War is a Game, sir; and we I intend for us to win it" The head of the catholic church shivered, like someone had walked on his grave... Just a thought - you can blame Bill Burroughs for this! ~g~ Marnie - "You have to be in Hell to see Heaven" ICQ 19005332 Hello to Querent and Dinah, again! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:10:20 +0000 From: Peter Witney Subject: Re: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare At 11:31 AM 11/15/98 +0000, jo wrote: >(Was considering doing Polonius (from Hamlet) next. The only thing I am >sure of is that he isn't an angel of trade, I mean "Neither a borrower nor >a lender be," -- what sort of good business sense is that??? :) ) It is a perfectly fair and honest form of business transaction: cash on delivery, money on the nail. Easy lines of credit are a relatively modern idea, so he could be with Trade,except 'trade is such a demeaning business in good society' :) How about Stone? "To thine own self be true"- standing on your own two feet. Polonius attempting to unify the court, but falling foul of his own assumptions and loyalties? Sounds a possibility, doesn't it? It may all seem a bit off topic, but a historical In Nomine set in the intrigues of a Shakepearean style background could be wonderful. Think. At the time, with less population in the world, there could be a greater concentration of celestials, especially in royal courts and capital cities, where most of Shakespeare's plays take place. Odd little spots of essence use would occur hourly, making small uses difficult to investigate. But with major disturbance of the symphony all too likely to attract attention, celestials would be forced to indulge in plots, low-level intellectual sniping and impersonation in order to succeed. Ever wonder why so many 'twins' seem to exist or why people don't seem to recognise old friends when they wear a dress? Could it be the Song of Form or a relic? Of course, even in these times, brute force might be required, so, to distract attention, a major battle might be stage-managed ("when shall we three meet again?") or a large scale disturbance caused (when demons and Soldiers slaughter Banquo's household). With its mystical, magical and super-natural elements, an In Nomine background would explain a lot about Shakespeare's plays, including the apparent deviations from the historical timeline. For amusing-don't worry about minor disturbance-impersonation, try something like the Comedy of Errors. After all, players *love* to find out that somebody's been wandering around pretending to be them and ruining their plans. Add in a Lilim gaining favours, a confused servitor of Trade and a Soldier nun of Revelation and the result... well, the result could be astonishing, either way. For a more serious piece, Hamlet and the 'Scottish play' are the most famous examples. Hamlet suffers from the attentions of a Habbalah in one play and in the other, a Shedim bounces between Lord and Lady Macbeth, while the witches of Kronos look on. Potential... Pete Peter Witney peter.witney@kobal.demon.co.uk Never underestimate the power of a hamster... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:03:09 -0700 (MST) From: Jason Corley Subject: Re: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare Re: Merchant of Venice Here's something from my Contract Law class I think you might enjoy: - ---------------------- SHYLOCK V. ANTONIO 8 VENICE REP. 381 (DUKE'S COURT, 1564) FACTS The facts of this case are simple and not in dispute. Bassanio, a young Venetian noble, wishes to woo Portia, a beautiful, wealthy and, as we will see, extremely clever young woman. Wooing then costs a lot more than it does now; Bassanio is broke. He approaches his friend Antonio, a wealthy merchant, and asks to borrow 1000 ducats. Alas, Antonio is temporarily out of funds, his vast wealth being tied up on several ships at sea. Shylock, a Jewish moneylender, is approached and eventually agrees to lend the money, without interest, if Antonio signs a bond promising a pound of flesh if the loan is not repaid when due. (There is a great deal of hostility between Christians and Jews at this time. One irritant, central to the case, is the Christian doctrine condemning charging interest.) Antonio's ships sink and the bond is forfeit. Meanwhile, Shylock's daughter elopes with a Christian (taking a great deal of Shylock's money with her), and Bassanio wins Portia. As was the custom at the time, Bassanio gets all of Portia's money; he can now repay Shylock but Shylock refuses, insisting upon his "pound of flesh". ISSUE Can the Court award the 'pound of flesh' to Shylock? What legal doctrines are helpful in evaluating this situation? Can Portia be subject to Rule 11 sanctions for impersonating a judge, and in what amount, since Bassanio now controls the household funds? - ------------ I think my Contracts prof is a really nutty Mercurian. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:56:12 -0500 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> Night Music/Final Trumpet Questions. Well, I've got a couple more questions, one having to do with Night Music, the other having to do with the Final Trumpet. First, the NM question... How does someone using the Song of Possession tell which of Three-B's dogs is trained to sniff drugs, and which one is trained to sniff bombs? The dog's mind will be of in the Marches, and unaccessible, won't it? And it would take a Kyriotate a Resonance use at -4 and a high check digit to remember the dog's training.... Well, without the Kyriotate of Yves, or Zadkiel attunements. Malakite of Jordi might work well too... I'm probably going to hate myself for asking this one, but it's going to plague me for the rest of all eternity if I don't... Is the look of the lowest mouth on Magog's body accidental, something the artist slipped through, or intentional? ===== ><{{"> =================================================== <"}}>< ====== Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Winslow, Habbalite Inspector of Technology, the Demon of Spaceflight. nofori@pop3.utoledo.edu | Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~maltesh maltesh@usa.net | In Nomine: http://members.tripod.com/~maltesh/T317 ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:11:15 -0600 From: Eeyore Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- ADV:CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE Who's got the word SPAM? John Irish Higgins wrote: > According to the Infernal Players Guide, pg. 92 (under Changing Words,) the > Demon of Spam formerly served Haagenti, but now reports to Nybbas as the > meaning of his word has changed. I strongly suspect that he originally > gained his word during WWII, or that it was the result of Lucifer's sense > of humor. This is one of the things that bugs me with Words. As I remember it, they are actually derivedfrom Celestial,and we only see their equivalents in human tongues. Somehow, I have ahard time seeing that the Word, "Low quality processed canned spiced ham," as being very similar to the Word, "Unsolicited Internet advertisement," in Celestial. In a case like "Hardcore" from NightMusic, it makes sense since some of the _concept_ behind the different uses of the Word in question. But cases where the similarity is purely idiomatic (and "spam" is not theonly example that's been used),I just don't see the alteration of the Word as making any sense. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Sean Borgstrom" Subject: IN> Matters of Skill An idea which occurred to me, regarding the IN dice resolution system: Decouple skill, talismans, and raw ability. When you roll your d666, you succeed if the first 2d6 are less than: The relevant characteristic; 6 + the relevant skill; 4 + the relevant talisman's level. If you succeed by two of these measures, double the CD; if you succeed by all three, triple it. If a skill's default penalty is -X, then the roll must beat 6 - X to get a skill-based success. ** Warning! This method, in general, makes competence and success more likely. This applies to the PCs, their enemies, and even to the lowly humans. (A mortal doctor with Medicine/6 never fails, although celestials can manage more spectacular successes.) Accordingly, failures should be worse! - Hitherby ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1016 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.