From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Nov 22 18:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA31790 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:00:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA28162 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:52:00 -0600 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:52:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199811222352.RAA28162@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1021 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, November 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1021 In this digest: Re: IN> Human Remnants/ghosts IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. Re: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. IN> Balseraphim (Was: RE Balseraphim & Lilim) Re: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. Re: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:33:46 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> Human Remnants/ghosts At 10:09 PM +0000 11/21/98, CA Smith wrote: >>>- the human equivalent of a Remnant (though frankly there is >>>generally not enough trauma attached to the tales of such haunts) >>Interesting, but I'm not sure how the human would lose his corporeal forces >>without dying. Perhaps it's the effect of certain celestial weapons or an >>extremely nasty variant of a combination Entropy/Time song (with the aid of >>demonic intervention) A human can lose his Corporeal Forces if a Demon decides to attack him Celestially in the Marches, and the human doesn't managed to flee, wake up, or defend himself successfully. > What about the use of the celestial song of light by a celestial in > celestail form, that does celestial damage does it not? > Chris Smith No, Cel Light only does Soul Damage if the /target/ is in Celestial form. It's one of the few ways you can strip Forces without opening yourself up to counterattack, which is probably why it has such a hideous Essence cost. - -- Nana Yaw Ofori nofori@pop3.utoledo.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:41:28 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. Hrmn... This is something I ran into this weekend while trying to salavage the shattered remains of a LARP that went bust. Can a Balseraph convince a Lilim (On a successful Resonance roll, where the target has obviously failed her Will roll to resist), that she owe's them a favor? Is it that hideously easy for a Balseraph to rack up a lot of Geas that the Lilim must fulfill? Cannon answers might be helpful, even though I wound up letting the Balseraph pretend that the Lilim owed them a Geas equal to the check digit of the Resonance roll (which happened to be a 1). - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centuryinter.net # Balseraph Marquis of Fate, Demon of Delusions of Granduer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:09:04 -0600 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. Shadowstar wrote: > Hrmn... > > This is something I ran into this weekend while trying to salavage the > shattered remains of a LARP that went bust. > > Can a Balseraph convince a Lilim (On a successful Resonance roll, where > the target has obviously failed her Will roll to resist), that she owe's > them a favor? > > Is it that hideously easy for a Balseraph to rack up a lot of Geas that > the Lilim must fulfill? Actually, no it is _not_ that easy. Their reputation as Liars precedes them, and I personally think it would be smart to test almost everything a Balseraph told me. As soon as a Lil tests the bonds of the Geas, it is going to feel the lack of bite, the lack of dissonance from breaking/resisting a Geas it owed. At that point, the game is up for the Balseraph, especially if the Lil decides to take it personally and calls in markers from/goes in debt to her sisters in order to teach the Balseraph a lesson in who _not_ to scam. This is of course, IMHO, and you may, if you so desire, ignore it or use it as the starting point for another decision of your own. But note the element of danger to the Bal -- if the Lil does test the Geas and find out about the deception, the Bal will end up eating dissonance if he can't reconcile this with his private world fairly fast, say almost instantly. 0:> ttfn, tom timberlake, cadre Cherub of Heaven ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:36:17 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: IN> Balseraphim (Was: RE Balseraphim & Lilim) We're not liars... <> ...Just missunderstood. - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centuryinter.net # Balseraph Marquis of Fate, Demon of Delusions of Granduer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:07:00 -0500 From: Perestroika Subject: Re: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. Take into account, though, that the Lilim would probably (if the Balseraph is doing his job) have no idea that the Balseraph is, in fact, a Balseraph. A Calabite walking up and saying, "Don't you owe me a favor?" isn't going to arouse much suspicion, especially if the Balseraph's Resonance roll is successful ("Why yes, I believe I do, let me pick up that tab for you".. at least for a number of minutes equal to the check digit. ;) Of course, when the Calabite makes a hurried exit, and the Lilim doesn't feel the obligatory rush of freedom (however minute) from having paid off a geas, said Lilim is a) not going to be terribly happy, and b) knows that something's terribly wrong with that Calabite. Sorry if this isn't terribly coherent; I'm not entirely on my feet yet. :) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:50:17 -0600 From: "James Bearse" Subject: Re: IN> Balseraphim and Lilim. > Take into account, though, that the Lilim would probably (if the > Balseraph is doing his job) have no idea that the Balseraph is, in fact, > a Balseraph. A Calabite walking up and saying, "Don't you owe me a > favor?" isn't going to arouse much suspicion, especially if the > Balseraph's Resonance roll is successful ("Why yes, I believe I do, let > me pick up that tab for you".. at least for a number of minutes equal to > the check digit. ;) Of course, when the Calabite makes a hurried exit, > and the Lilim doesn't feel the obligatory rush of freedom (however > minute) from having paid off a geas, said Lilim is a) not going to be > terribly happy, and b) knows that something's terribly wrong with that > Calabite. Why shouldn't the Lilim feel the effects of the geas? After all, if the Balseraph's resonance is successful (not likely against a Lilim, though), she's not just being convinced, really - the Symphony is being modified by the strength of the Liar's Will. So she'd probably think she did feel the "obligatory rush of freedom" as long as the resonance is still affecting her. Savage Wombat jim-and-brandy@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1021 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.