From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 17 19:17:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29095 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:17:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA03946 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:15:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:15:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199804180015.TAA03946@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #719 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 719 In this digest: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Djinn (Very Dark!) IN> Geas Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? IN> Orphans among Angels? Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Geas Re: IN> Waycool poem! Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions IN> Big Dummy's Guide... Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? Re: IN> Jordi Alert IN> The Renegade's Bible IN> The Renegade's Bible Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> The Renegade's Bible Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> IPG IN> Habbalah and their wacky delusions Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> Habbalah and their wacky delusions Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> Geas Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:45:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Marcelo Soares wrote: > Hello guys! > > I was just brownsing through my books last night and I found "The secret > lore of magic" by Idres Shah - yeah, I have weid things here - and I stump > over a part of it called "The book of spirits" and "the demon catalog" those > bring some descriptions of some demons, and to my surprise I found almost > all the names in the In Nomine Rulebook in it. Here are a few samples: - -snip- > Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, Lilith or > Nybbas. Lilith, for obvious reasons... - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:31:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 3:23 PM -0500 4/16/98, Dataweaver wrote: > >On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, John Karakash - LUCENT ASCC wrote: > >> Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> > At 9:00 PM -0500 4/14/98, Dataweaver wrote: > >> > >and I was very surprised that nothing > >> > >to the effect of Gray Lilim were even hinted at. Ohterwise, > >> > >though, a very solid book. > >> > > >> > Well, if you can find me something to *cut*... We only got > >> > about 6 pages per Band, after all. (I already had to chainsaw that > >> > section a few times...) > [...] > >I had, however, been under the mistaken impression that Gray Lilim were > >unique, and thus would warrant special attention in the definitive writeup > >of the Lilim; it simply never occurred to me that other Bands would also > >have Grays (and I _still_ have great difficulty picturing a Gray > >Shedite...). > > Well, when I thought about it... A Gray Habbalite. He backlashed > Emptiness, but he thinks he's more useful ('objectively'?) with > the ability to punish demons. Then I went further... There's a certain sort of logic to that one - a demon who is on the side of good, and is under the delusion that he's an angel. Aside from the Lilim, the Band that I was least appointed with (since I wasn't disappointed with any of them) was the Haballah; I had been looking forward to more of an explanation of how their delusion works - how do they justify the fact that they are working alongside the forces of Hell against the forces of Heaven, considering that they're angels? - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:56:04 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert In a message dated 4/13/98 2:00:39 PM Central Daylight Time, tomtimb@ionet.net writes: << Speaking of which, does this message from you mean that you are now back and ready to receive messages and moves for the game, or are you on a borrowed computer? >> Sorry I have never play Dawn do you have me mistaken for someone else? I have been on this for about 3 months. Heretic Demon Prince of Heresy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:03:43 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert In a message dated 4/13/98 1:59:35 PM Central Daylight Time, jrooney@moose.uvm.edu writes: << But really it is quite fun to play Jordittes. It gives the GMs the willeys. >> I find them troubling in the same way I am trouble by TWoD's gangrel, I personally find it hard to reasonably justify them in cities and I find that they are the first to be picked by powergamers, but this is not all gamers. And I have been toying with a story involving a lost temple or something out in the jungle and that would almost require servitors of jordi. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:46:55 +0900 From: Simon Hailes Subject: Re: IN> Djinn (Very Dark!) At 08:12 AM 16/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Okay, here's how I see the Djinn. Please note that it is as non-canon as >it can get.< > >Actually, your description is pretty close to canonical Djinn. > >>Warning: This post is very dark. I plumbed some very nasty depths of my >mind to write this, and it disturbs me when I realize that this came from >my head. It will offend some people. This is good, since we're talking >about demons, who by their very nature aren't supposed to be nice people. >You Have Been Warned.< > >Gee, I guess I'm a real sicko -- I thought your description was pretty >tame. ;) > >- >Actually the Djinn you described seemed very much like George Costanza with homicidal tendencies, in fact, the Djinn you described would fit in well with todays male! Simon, who thinks Demons are just people like you and me so leave them alone! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:24:28 EDT From: Lstrequiem Subject: IN> Geas Ummm... the plural of GEAS is actually GEASA And no anal retentive is NOT a hyphenated word.... sorry, had to share. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:12:56 -0400 From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Dataweaver wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Marcelo Soares wrote: > > > Hello guys! > > > > I was just brownsing through my books last night and I found "The secret > > lore of magic" by Idres Shah - yeah, I have weid things here - and I stump > > over a part of it called "The book of spirits" and "the demon catalog" those > > bring some descriptions of some demons, and to my surprise I found almost > > all the names in the In Nomine Rulebook in it. Here are a few samples: > > -snip- > > > Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, Lilith or > > Nybbas. > > Lilith, for obvious reasons... > And Nybbas because he's still relatively new. I think Kronos may have been added by the creation team as a counter-balance to Yves. The name "kronos" is a *bit* incongruous with it's Greek base (while most of the others seem to be from Hebrew). - -- Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://wwp.mirabilis.com/7789233/ UIN: 7789233 http://www.accessdenied.net/cgi-bin/main.cgi?userid=326&newuser=profile MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:06:18 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: IN> Orphans among Angels? The IPG reveals that if your Prince dies, you keep your attunements and distinctions unless your new Prince takes them away. 1) Is this true for angels as well? (Seraph of The Waters) 2) What if your AA Fell, rather than died? (Cherub of Light) 3) What if they're just...not around? (Malakite of Purity) Distinctions probably fall into the same category. But I think the question, "What if your Superior Falls/Redeems?" is one that should be examined. Sure...it probably will only happen once if ever in a game, but that one time it might really matter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:53:55 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Dataweaver wrote: > Aside from the Lilim, the Band that I was least appointed with (since I > wasn't disappointed with any of them) was the Haballah; I had been > looking forward to more of an explanation of how their delusion works - > how do they justify the fact that they are working alongside the forces of > Hell against the forces of Heaven, considering that they're angels? I've thought they considered themselves the -only- "real" angels - the Hosts of Heaven are not God's true servants in their eyes. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:14:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Geas > Ummm... the plural of GEAS is actually GEASA > And no anal retentive is NOT a hyphenated word.... > sorry, had to share. We know, and it's been bantered about on and off for the last month. But my grass roots movement to get Proper Plurals of Foreign Words in In Nomine (in this case, Gaelic) is sort of running into a wall. It's my second misspelled word in canon so far. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:29:57 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Waycool poem! Here's a cautionary song for (or *from*) servitors of the Game: (To the tune of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town." And I take "Asmodai" to be a sort of nickname for the Game's DP) You better watch out, you better not cry, You better not scream; I'm telling you why: Asmodai is coming to town. He's making a list, checking it twice, Gonna find out who's practicing vice. Asmodai is coming to town. He knows if you've been sinning, He knows if you're in grace, He knows if you've been bad or good, So be bad for safety's sake. You better watch out, you better not cry, You better not scream; I'm telling you why: Asmodai is coming to town. - --- Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 11:55 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> IPG >> Bright Lilim are great, even if there were no attunements for them like >> i thought there would be. > >I think that's because Bright Lilim don't get Choir Attunements in the >canon version. It would also have burned a bunch of space that was a *very* scare resource. Choir Attunements are "standard" things, and Bright Lilim are hardly "standard" creatures -- in fact, they don't really constitute a "Choir".... Most AAs have probably had only 1 or 2 at most in all of history. So any such attunements are pretty much made up as needed on a case-by-case basis. There is a set (non-canon) that Elizabeth and I made up a long time ago, they should be in the INC somewhere. >Lessee... Things That Were Left Out Of IPG (Due to lack of space, I >assume): > >1. Bright Lilim choir attunements >2. Gray Lilim (and other Gray Bands; I'm definitely looking forward to > these...) Both of the above suffered from lack of space, I think. >3. The fertility Song. May have been an oversight. However, *all* the Songs are being collected in the Songbook, it will be there. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 12:03 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions >> Well, when I thought about it... A Gray Habbalite. He backlashed >> Emptiness, but he thinks he's more useful ('objectively'?) with >> the ability to punish demons. Then I went further... > >There's a certain sort of logic to that one - a demon who is on the side >of good, and is under the delusion that he's an angel. Actually, the way we figured it, it's a demon who knows he's a demon, but is on the side of good. Basically, he thinks that he can do more good with Habbalite abilities than Elohite ones. ("Heaven has plenty of Elohim, but how many Habbalah do they have?") Yes, he's still deluded, but he's swapped the delusion that he's an angel for the delusion that he's more beneficial as a demon. At least, most Archangels wouldn't want a Habbalite in their service, no matter how motivated.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:18:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> Big Dummy's Guide... Hey - So it's friday, and instead of working like a fiend I'm busy playing with the web. Of course, I check out my links, and I find the Big Dummy's Guide to Philosophy, Theology or Ethics at: http://www.teleport.com/~oro/bdintro.html It's not really for Big Dummy's, but more for the Technically Inclined who didn't bother to take the requisite 30 credits of pure philosophy in college like some others. *clear throat* It's handy, and easy to read, and certainly entertaining. I highly recommend the Seven Deadly Arguments section. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 12:17 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? >The IPG reveals that if your Prince dies, you keep your attunements >and distinctions unless your new Prince takes them away. > >1) Is this true for angels as well? (Seraph of The Waters) I believe it's intended to work the same way for both sides -- the mechanics of Words are pretty much the same for both angels and demons. >2) What if your AA Fell, rather than died? (Cherub of Light) > >3) What if they're just...not around? (Malakite of Purity) I would say both the above cases are similar. I.e., you are connected to the Word, not the person. However, rites *don't* work, if I recall the last canon decision right -- they require active participation of the Superior to give you the Essence. >Distinctions probably fall into the same category. But I think the >question, "What if your Superior Falls/Redeems?" is one that should be >examined. Sure...it probably will only happen once if ever in a game, >but that one time it might really matter. I would say it's simply similar to death -- the Superior no longer has the Word you are connected to. If another person was given the same Word (on your side), you would probably find yourself connected to them at that point. As far as I know, that hasn't happened in canon yet, or at least been seen to happen in canon. Which doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but of the few "lost" Superiors we know of, none has been mentioned as directly replaced. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:43:03 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert >In a message dated 4/13/98 1:59:35 PM Central Daylight Time, >jrooney@moose.uvm.edu writes: > ><< But really it is quite fun to play Jordittes. It gives the GMs the >willeys. > >> >I find them troubling in the same way I am trouble by TWoD's gangrel, I >personally find it hard to reasonably justify them in cities and I find that >they are the first to be picked by powergamers, but this is not all gamers. >And I have been toying with a story involving a lost temple or something out >in the jungle and that would almost require servitors of jordi. I have trouble seeing your point about servitors of Jordi being hard to justify being in the city. I live in a large city, and I could see the servitors of Jordi hard at work were I to start painting everything in the colors of IN. First of all, just take the ubiquitous city animals: cats, rats, dogs, pigeons, crows, etc. A servant of Jordi could use a similar form and blend into the landscape. Perfect for anyone focussing more on scouting or infiltration. Your buddy, Bob the cherub, wants his attuned watched, but can't find a way into the building. I bet a servitor of Jordi with a small vessel could slip right in. Second, there are unusual animals in the city. In South America, there is a man who raises tigers. He is one of the few men in the world licensed to do so privately. He takes his tigers everywhere; the bank, the butcher shop, for walks. So far, no dead, curious. However, as human cities sprawl, we tend to start invading the natural habitat of the animals that lived around the city. These animals start to forage amongst the city, and we only stop them if they are predatory. In my city, we have "problems" with cougars and coyotes. An interesting side note to this, the city has put out traps for the coyotes, and have only caught one or two. The rest of the traps, when occupied, have domesticated dogs. Just an odd little fact there. Third, while I'm sure that it is not Jordi's first choice for a vessel, human lobbyists for animal rights/protection are a necessary part of his operation. I think of the "puppy mills" that have been shut down, that one dog who chased sheep and was going to be executed; and I see human vessels saving the day. Sure, they could be other types of people. No affiliation at all to Jordi, but I think that Jordi would want his hands a little deeper in the pot. I don't think that Jordi has anything against cities. He's probably against the distruction of animal habitats, but the city houses animals as well. I'm pretty certain that I'll never see a rhino vessel running down the street, but that doesn't mean that there are others. Armand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:50:30 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> The Renegade's Bible Finally... an online copy of the book they couldn't ban! The infamous 'bible' tells you everything you need to knwo to get your career as a renegade off to a jumpstart. Tips on breaking your heart, how to minimise disturbance, dealing with common mental and physical afflictions, conducting a one-demon crusade against the powers that be and living to gloat about it afterwards, anecdotes from successful(?) renegades ... read it and weep (or something). jo (Incidentally the author of this document is commonly assumed to be long dead, so it is presumably no longer in copyright. Information wants to be free!) - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:51:16 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> The Renegade's Bible (Wow, I am dumb today. http://www.btinternet.com/~jhart/IN_renegade.html) - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:52:57 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert At 21:43 16/04/98 -0800, you wrote: > that one >dog who chased sheep and was going to be executed; *cough* Dogs who worry sheep /deserve/ to be put down. So do their pwners. jo - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:11:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: cd skogsberg Subject: Re: IN> The Renegade's Bible On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Jo Hart wrote: [trimtrimtrim] > gloat about it afterwards, anecdotes from successful(?) renegades ... read > it and weep (or something). Errrr, not to spoil the fun or anything, but where can one find this document? cd - -- d97skog@dtek.chalmers.se | cd skogsberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:23:20 -0400 From: eswhanu@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil deeds. This holds especially when on Earth, as the person can muck up humans and feel good for sorting out the weak from the strong. "And how stupid the demons are! I tell them I'm an angel and they just nod their heads and 'yes' me to death. Sure, angels come after me, but I'm under such deep cover they couldn't know my true purpose. Besides, angels can be weak too, so perhaps they need to be tested..." Brian Ward On Fri, 17 Apr 98 12:03 EDT Walter Milliken writes: >>> Well, when I thought about it... A Gray Habbalite. He backlashed >>> Emptiness, but he thinks he's more useful ('objectively'?) with >>> the ability to punish demons. Then I went further... >> >>There's a certain sort of logic to that one - a demon who is on the >side >>of good, and is under the delusion that he's an angel. > >Actually, the way we figured it, it's a demon who knows he's a demon, >but is on the side of good. Basically, he thinks that he can do more >good with Habbalite abilities than Elohite ones. ("Heaven has plenty >of >Elohim, but how many Habbalah do they have?") > >Yes, he's still deluded, but he's swapped the delusion that he's an >angel for the delusion that he's more beneficial as a demon. At >least, >most Archangels wouldn't want a Habbalite in their service, no matter >how motivated.... > > >---Walter > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> IPG > Choir Attunements are "standard" things, and Bright Lilim are hardly > "standard" creatures -- in fact, they don't really constitute a > "Choir".... Most AAs have probably had only 1 or 2 at most in all of > history. So any such attunements are pretty much made up as needed on a > case-by-case basis. There is a set (non-canon) that Elizabeth and I > made up a long time ago, they should be in the INC somewhere. The INC is a powerful resource! Use it! Love it! Make me love you, HTML your own stuff before submitting! The Bright Lilim attunements are at: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/rules.html Click on Bright Lilim Choir Attunements. Zingo, insta rules. - - Em, going WACKY. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:24:41 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions At 14:23 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite >thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil >deeds. What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded Habbalah. You'd think there would be at least as many as there are bright lilim... jo - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> IPG On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Chris Crowe wrote: > i just picked up the IPG too. Grrrrrrr.....still hasn't hit my store yet. > Bright Lilim are great, even if there were no attunements for them like > i thought there would be. Check out http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/rules.html -> - -> #BrightLilimChoirAttunements Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Habbalah and their wacky delusions On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 eswhanu@juno.com wrote: > I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite > thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil > deeds. This holds especially when on Earth, as the person can muck up > humans and feel good for sorting out the weak from the strong. Habbalah are definitely weird. Even weirder is the emptiness thing; some people have a hard time understanding it. My Habbalite player was reading emptiness the other night and was confused. "Wait...you mean if I get an intervention, I just redeem? Does that mean that we ARE the most divine band or something? I don't get it." My answer: "No, you don't 'just redeem'. You do, however, lose the capacity for self-delusion. All of a sudden, you realize the TRUTH. You realize 'Oh my god...I'm a DEMON. Where did all these scars come from? Why didn't I notice them before?' and you remember EVERYTHING that you've done as a demon, and realize (for the first time) that you were truly, truly EVIL, while you thought you were being good. Your whole world just got ripped away as the wool is pulled from your eyes. And that's why the most common response in this situation is to beg God for mercy and redeem yourself before you slip back into delusional insanity. The second most common response is to kill yourself. As a PC, I'd never force you into a certain path, but you'd have to roleplay something REALLY GOOD if it wasn't something along those lines." (Here's the kicker, BTW...) He nods and says, "I gotcha now. That's kind of cool, in a way." Picks up the dice to use his emptiness on a person (he was reading it, hence he asked about it; he was about to empty some guy), nonchalantly says, "See you in Heaven! Heh..." and rolls a DIVINE INTERVENTION. The house was full of players and the GM running around, yelling in amazement (many of them yelling, "Why did you have to say that? Why? What's wrong with 'See you in Hell'? Huh? Tell me that!")...:-) I asked him what was going on now and he asked for some time to think (in game)...so his Habbalite started quietly and slowly following the others in the back of the group, thinking. The demons were at Disneyworld, trying to spread a little evil. As they split up, the player gets an idea. His Habbalite goes celestial underneath the enchanted castle and rises to the VERY top before going corporeal and hanging onto the top spire for 'dear life'. By the time security can get up there, about 10,000 people are watching him...security asks what he wants, and he tells them, "I want to speak to an angel." He got one. The Seraph of Children (in the vessel of Jacob Hanson, head of security) clears everyone out. The Habbalite decides that he wants to redeem, lets Jacob (and therefore the other 10-11 angels in the park) know exactly where most of the demons are (he didn't know where EVERYONE was, but damn near), and the angels proceed to first make sure the demons are demons, and then converge for an attack as the Habbalite describes their best weaknesses and normal attacks. The party BARELY managed to get back to Hell alive. Savvergeti, Habbalite of Malphas, is now Savriel, Elohim of Yves. It always makes me proud to see a player willing to sacrifice a character he loves in the name of good roleplaying. I gave him a ton of experience to help build his new character (Impudite of Gluttony); he earned it. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:59:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? At 10:24 PM -0300 4/16/98, Marcelo Soares wrote: >Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... >Sure, there are somethings odd, like Andrealphus the Prince >of Lust teaching Math... so what do you have to say about it? How else to you know how many sextoys to bring along to the orgy, if you can't do Math? >Do you know if the IN Creation team has made >some research on such subjects to come up with the names and attunements of >each Archangel or Demon Prince? Some research, yes. (Of course, there are *gobs* of different sources, so don't expect something to *necessarily* conform to the Dictionary that you personally poseess.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:39:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IPG At 7:42 PM -0500 4/16/98, Dataweaver wrote: >On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Chris Crowe wrote: >> Bright Lilim are great, even if there were no attunements for them like >> i thought there would be. > >I think that's because Bright Lilim don't get Choir Attunements in the >canon version. They may have the attunements in one of the next cycle books, along with All You Every Wanted To Know About Geases But Didn't Want To Pay To Ask Lilith About. If there's space. They're rare, it doesn't happen often, the PCs won't know what they are... >Lessee... Things That Were Left Out Of IPG (Due to lack of space, I >assume): LACK OF SPACE, yes. Notice that, despite the *masterful* placement of art, the IPG is really art-light. (Would you believe we originally got *4* pages for the Bands?) That's why the Fertility Song got cut, too, I am sure. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:56:51 +0100 (BST) From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: IN> Habbalah and their wacky delusions Okay, I have to say this one: There's a new Caliah (Habbalite of the War) up. Http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~maya/nomine/caliah7.html In which some old characters turn up again, and Caliah gets a few of those insights into precisely why an angel is running round Hell with scars, and some Bad Things Happen. Well, from some people's viewpoints. Opinions welcome. - --- Maya, Elohite of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? > > For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. > What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... The backstroke. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:09:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 10:24 PM -0300 4/16/98, Marcelo Soares wrote: > > >Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, > > For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. > What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... Umm... that was Cronos, not Kronos (also not to be confused with Chronos, which is something else entirely...) - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:27:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Geas At 2:24 AM -0400 4/17/98, Lstrequiem wrote: >Ummm... the plural of GEAS is actually GEASA The plural of Geas is difficult to come up with -- it's being translated from a language that's written in runic or something, for Bast's sake... I think someone decided that Geasanna was actually the correct plural. In the tradition of Americanization, IN uses Geases as the plural because that's what American English does to words. Abuses them. Mangles them. Attempts to enforce its own non-standard standardizations. But you get your Essence for the Rite. Now don't argue with your Demon Princess. - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:37:59 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? At 2:06 AM -0700 4/17/98, Sean McCarthy wrote: >The IPG reveals that if your Prince dies, you keep your attunements >and distinctions unless your new Prince takes them away. > >1) Is this true for angels as well? (Seraph of The Waters) Probably. >2) What if your AA Fell, rather than died? (Cherub of Light) Are you and the Seraphim Council going to *chance* keeping boons from one who later Fell? For the reverse, if, say, Baal has a change of heart, do you think the Game is going to let you run around with something from a *traitor*? >3) What if they're just...not around? (Malakite of Purity) Probably. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:46:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions At 8:24 PM +0100 4/17/98, Jo Hart wrote: >At 14:23 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite >>thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil >>deeds. > >What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded Habbalah. >You'd think there would be at least as many as there are bright lilim... They're not stupid enough to mouth off to their 'choirmates' that they're really demons. Habbalah police their own. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:35:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? At 4:09 PM -0500 4/17/98, Dataweaver wrote: >On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> At 10:24 PM -0300 4/16/98, Marcelo Soares wrote: >> >> >Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, >> >> For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. >> What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... > >Umm... that was Cronos, not Kronos (also not to be confused with Chronos, >which is something else entirely...) Cronos is pronounced, according to my mythology book, as... kro'nus (long-mark over the o). Same sound. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:56:29 EDT From: JFZeigler Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? In a message dated 98-04-17 17:16:57 EDT, you write: << Umm... that was Cronos, not Kronos (also not to be confused with Chronos, which is something else entirely...) >> You transliterate the way you want, and we'll transliterate the way we want. . . - ---------- Jon F. Zeigler: Mathematician, freelance writer, amateur historian, science fiction fan, occasional scribbler of bad poetry JFZeigler@aol.com "Never speak for others. You can get in enough trouble speaking for yourself." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:55:46 -0700 From: Bart Hammerly Subject: Re: IN> IPG Are there any release dates on Fall of the Malakim and the Songbook. Please please please (who me, eager?)! Walter Milliken wrote: > >> Bright Lilim are great, even if there were no attunements for them like > >> i thought there would be. > > > >I think that's because Bright Lilim don't get Choir Attunements in the > >canon version. > > It would also have burned a bunch of space that was a *very* scare > resource. > > Choir Attunements are "standard" things, and Bright Lilim are hardly > "standard" creatures -- in fact, they don't really constitute a > "Choir".... Most AAs have probably had only 1 or 2 at most in all of > history. So any such attunements are pretty much made up as needed on a > case-by-case basis. There is a set (non-canon) that Elizabeth and I > made up a long time ago, they should be in the INC somewhere. > > >Lessee... Things That Were Left Out Of IPG (Due to lack of space, I > >assume): > > > >1. Bright Lilim choir attunements > >2. Gray Lilim (and other Gray Bands; I'm definitely looking forward to > > these...) > > Both of the above suffered from lack of space, I think. > > >3. The fertility Song. > > May have been an oversight. However, *all* the Songs are being > collected in the Songbook, it will be there. > > ---Walter - -- Bart Hammerly H: 526-0607 "Time is the fire in which we burn." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:00:49 -0700 From: Bart Hammerly Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Sorry, I'm afraid you're wrong. Cronos (aka Cronus, Kronos, Kronus, Chronos, Saturn) has/had many names, being the father of the Gods, and the God of Time. Naturally, the God of Time knows the future, and being evil, is concerned only with Fate. Ergo, Kronos becomes the Prince of Fate. Makes sense if you think about it. Dataweaver wrote: > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > At 10:24 PM -0300 4/16/98, Marcelo Soares wrote: > > > > >Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, > > > > For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. > > What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... > > Umm... that was Cronos, not Kronos (also not to be confused with Chronos, > which is something else entirely...) > > ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- > Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists > GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, > FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have > Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. > submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" - -- Bart Hammerly H: 526-0607 "Time is the fire in which we burn." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #719 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.