From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Apr 20 13:34:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21436 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:34:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA12698 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:00:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:00:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199804201800.NAA12698@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #722 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, April 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 722 In this digest: IN> Re: IN- Geas Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions IN> Superiors on the Edge IN> Re: IN- Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions IN> Kronos-Fluff response Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge IN> Re: IN- Orphans among Angels? re: IN> Orphan Angels Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge IN> Starting up an In Nomine page Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> The Last Times Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: re: IN> Orphan Angels Re: IN> Jordi Alert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:14:39 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Geas >> Ummm... the plural of GEAS is actually GEASA >> And no anal retentive is NOT a hyphenated word.... >> sorry, had to share. > >We know, and it's been bantered about on and off for the last month. But >my grass roots movement to get Proper Plurals of Foreign Words in In >Nomine (in this case, Gaelic) is sort of running into a wall. > >It's my second misspelled word in canon so far. I prefer Geases. "es" is the typical suffix for a plural in English. Of course, it would be "Geasoj" in esperanto :-) Interestingly, and completely off-topic, plurals don't exist in Cantonese. That is to say, the singular and the plural for any word in Cantonese is the same word, much like "sheep" or "cannon" in English. Perhaps that's why "Ketchup" has no plural :-) (Interestingly, the dictionary I have lists the root language of Ketchup as "Chinese", which is a bit like saying that the root language of Geas is "Anglo-European" :-) SurturZ Habbalite of Factions, Angel of Constructive Criticism. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:20:39 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions >At 14:23 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite >>thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil >>deeds. > >What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded Habbalah. >You'd think there would be at least as many as there are bright lilim... > > There are such. that's called the Choir of Elohim, although I'm sure that they'd take such a classification as an inversion. The Haballah section in the APG lays the scenario that works for me. Being a Haballah is a condition of delusion by definition. So it's not really accurate to call Elohim non-deluded Haballah, but rather the latter as either warped Elohim, or warped copies of Elohim, (for Hellborn Habbalah, although in my world there really are no such thing. As I see that the vast majority of Habbalites date from the Fall and have a lower attrition rate, as most are quite enthuisastically spending the eons Punishing the human sinners who've wound up in Hell. (i.e. the Drudge explanation.) Their numbers are supplemented by the occasional Fallen Elohim. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:12:45 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: IN> Superiors on the Edge > >I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck >in their ways and unable to redeem or fall > >Craw-Wurm Dominic would disagree. He's pretty convinced of the possiblity in Gabriel's case, and for all he know, Eli at the very least seems to have one foot down already. One thing I'm fairly sure of is that one way or another, Outcast and Renegade Superiors don't stay that way for very long, once the Game or Judgement have their innings. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:24:26 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions >At 14:23 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite >>thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil >>deeds. > >What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded Habbalah. >You'd think there would be at least as many as there are bright lilim... The bit in H&H which said that there are hordes of Habbalah in Hell punishing sinful human souls cleared up a lot of questions for me. I would imagine that most Habbalah don't believe in free will. That would be the easiest way of justifying their existence as part of God's plan. Poor things. I feel sorry for them :-) SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:27:15 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: IN> Kronos-Fluff response >On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> At 10:24 PM -0300 4/16/98, Marcelo Soares wrote: >> >> >Those are the ones I foundm I couldn't find anything on Kronos, >> >> For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. >> What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... > >Umm... that was Cronos, not Kronos (also not to be confused with Chronos, >which is something else entirely...) > That's right, Kronos was that thousand foot metallic monster sent from space to suck up Earth's energies in black and white. (Although I was never able to figure out just HOW he moved since his legs only went straight up and down:) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:29:48 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? At 05:37 PM -0400 04/17/1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 2:06 AM -0700 4/17/98, Sean McCarthy wrote: >>The IPG reveals that if your Prince dies, you keep your attunements >>and distinctions unless your new Prince takes them away. > >>3) What if they're just...not around? (Malakite of Purity) > >Probably. > > > In the IPG, one of the "famous" Demons listed was an OutCast something >of Uriel who Fell when Uriel was called upstairs. So except for certain >special dispensations, it would seem that Uriel's attunements were yanked >upstairs along with him. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:35:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > > > > >I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck > >in their ways and unable to redeem or fall > > > >Craw-Wurm > > Dominic would disagree. He's pretty convinced of the possiblity in > Gabriel's case, and for all he know, Eli at the very least seems to have > one foot down already. > > One thing I'm fairly sure of is that one way or another, Outcast and > Renegade Superiors don't stay that way for very long, once the Game or > Judgement have their innings. Mmm... exactly what do you mean by an Outcast Archangel? Who cast him out? (And why would he have a more difficult time avoiding Dominic than an Outcast Angel would?) Likewise with Renegade Demon Princes; who did they rebel against, and why would they have more trouble dealing with the Game than normal Renegades would? - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:46:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > >At 14:23 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite > >>thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil > >>deeds. > > > >What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded Habbalah. > >You'd think there would be at least as many as there are bright lilim... > > There are such. that's called the Choir of Elohim, although I'm sure that > they'd take such a classification as an inversion. The Haballah section in > the APG lays the scenario that works for me. Being a Haballah is a > condition of delusion by definition. So it's not really accurate to call > Elohim non-deluded Haballah, but rather the latter as either warped Elohim, > or warped copies of Elohim, (for Hellborn Habbalah, although in my world > there really are no such thing. As I see that the vast majority of > Habbalites date from the Fall and have a lower attrition rate, as most are > quite enthuisastically spending the eons Punishing the human sinners > who've wound up in Hell. (i.e. the Drudge explanation.) Their numbers are > supplemented by the occasional Fallen Elohim. Mmm... I don't know about that; it's quite possible that a Habbalite could get a Divine Intervention on his Emptiness resonance, realize that he's a demon and that his actions have been evil, and be too afraid of getting cooked in a Redemption to ask to be taken back by Heaven. I believe that this is the idea behind Beth's Gray Habbalites. (Of course, this is just one way that a Habbalite might decide to go straight without actually Redeeming...) - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:48:55 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge >On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > >> >> > >> >I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck >> >in their ways and unable to redeem or fall >> > >> >Craw-Wurm >> >> Dominic would disagree. He's pretty convinced of the possiblity in >> Gabriel's case, and for all he know, Eli at the very least seems to have >> one foot down already. >> >> One thing I'm fairly sure of is that one way or another, Outcast and >> Renegade Superiors don't stay that way for very long, once the Game or >> Judgement have their innings. > >Mmm... exactly what do you mean by an Outcast Archangel? Who cast him >out? (And why would he have a more difficult time avoiding Dominic than an >Outcast Angel would?) Likewise with Renegade Demon Princes; who did they >rebel against, and why would they have more trouble dealing with the Game >than normal Renegades would? > Too answer your second question first, ArchAngels and Princes tend to be a LOT more noticeable in the corporeal realm than ordinarly celestials, and a Discordant ArchAngel might as well scribe a bullseye on their celestial forms if they remained in Heaven. As to who would cast them out? The Seraphim Council for one, if for example Eli were tried and condemmed in absentia. The other possiblity that comes to mind would be a Divine Intervention. The other possiblity is that an Archangel might become so discordant that its presence would ring clamor in Heaven and that they would be forced to flee. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions - ---Frank Lazar wrote: > > >At 14:23 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the Habbalite > >>thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by doing evil > >>deeds. > > > >What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded Habbalah. > >You'd think there would be at least as many as there are bright lilim... > > > > >(for Hellborn Habbalah, although in my world > there really are no such thing. As I see that the vast majority of > Habbalites date from the Fall and have a lower attrition rate, as most are > quite enthuisastically spending the eons Punishing the human sinners > who've wound up in Hell. (i.e. the Drudge explanation.) Their numbers are > supplemented by the occasional Fallen Elohim. > > Unless A Habbalites is making them, and telling them they're angels, eh? That's the only way I see Hellborn Habblah coming into existence. Nahtaivel Cherub of Destiny, Angel of Watching _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge - ---Dataweaver wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > > > > > > > > >I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck > > >in their ways and unable to redeem or fall > > > > > > > Dominic would disagree. He's pretty convinced of the possiblity in > > Gabriel's case, and for all he know, Eli at the very least seems to have > > one foot down already. > > > > One thing I'm fairly sure of is that one way or another, Outcast and > > Renegade Superiors don't stay that way for very long, once the Game or > > Judgement have their innings. > > Mmm... exactly what do you mean by an Outcast Archangel? Who cast him > out? (And why would he have a more difficult time avoiding Dominic than an > Outcast Angel would?) Likewise with Renegade Demon Princes; who did they > rebel against, and why would they have more trouble dealing with the Game > than normal Renegades would? > Outcast Archangels would have to be cast out by God, I wager--but he's not 'getting involved', except in the most extreme of cases, I think. As for renegade Demon Princes, they rebelled against Lucifer, of course. How they would have more trouble with the Judgement and the Game, I have no idea..power levels, maybe? Nahtaivel Cherub of Destiny, Angel of Watching _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:18:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Graveyard Greg wrote: > > >>I prefer the 'secret agent' approach. Due to the delusion, the > > >>Habbalite thinks that he was put in Hell by God to test others, by > > >>doing evil deeds. > > > > > >What I don't see is why there don't seem to be /any/ non-deluded > > >Habbalah. You'd think there would be at least as many as there are > > >bright lilim... > > > > > > > >(for Hellborn Habbalah, although in my world > > there really are no such thing. As I see that the vast majority of > > Habbalites date from the Fall and have a lower attrition rate, as > > most are quite enthuisastically spending the eons Punishing the human > > sinners who've wound up in Hell. (i.e. the Drudge explanation.) > > Their numbers are supplemented by the occasional Fallen Elohim. > > Unless A Habbalites is making them, and telling them they're angels, > eh? That's the only way I see Hellborn Habblah coming into existence. IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon becoming Habbalites. - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:19:47 -0400 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions > Unless A Habbalites is making them, and telling them they're angels, > eh? That's the only way I see Hellborn Habblah coming into existence. > > Nahtaivel > Cherub of Destiny, Angel of Watching Id say it was pretty intrinsic in Habbalah nature. Its not as if they just 'think' there still working for God. They know, deep down in the very bottom of their souls, that they are still working for god. Its just an intrinsic part of being Habbalah. - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \|/// Zzzzzzzzzzzz Brandon Lance Quina (- -) ICQ Number: 6809944 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:45:10 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions At 21:18 19/04/98 -0500, you wrote: > >IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become >Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe >themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon >becoming Habbalites. > Or else they don't and are happy to be doing Gods work as /demons/ -- I think that was my point. After all, how superior could you feel if you knew that you had deliberately chosen damnation so that others might choose redemption? It was just a thought :) I do agree that it wuld be sensible not to inform the unenlightened Habbalah of this though; after all, they are doing God's work too! God evidently sent them the delusion to shield the more weak-minded ones -- so the Habbalah who don't think they are angels can feel superior about that too. jo - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:56:08 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge In a message dated 4/19/98 8:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, fmlazar@cyber- wizard.com writes: << Eli at the very least seems to have one foot down already. >> On the contary in my cronicles he is the second most powerful AA (next to yves), the holiest Angel in existance, and does infact further the word of god better than any other AA that is involved in heavenly politics. And resently I have been toying with Ideas conecting him to the holy grail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:44:48 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Orphans among Angels? SPOILER FOR NO DINERO AHEAD!!! >>>3) What if they're just...not around? (Malakite of Purity) >> >>Probably. >> >> In the IPG, one of the "famous" Demons listed was an OutCast something >>of Uriel who Fell when Uriel was called upstairs. So except for certain >>special dispensations, it would seem that Uriel's attunements were yanked >>upstairs along with him. Tancred has a Purity attunement, does he not? SurturZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:46:52 +0100 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: re: IN> Orphan Angels - ---David Streeter wrote: > >> In the IPG, one of the "famous" Demons listed was an OutCast > something > >>of Uriel who Fell when Uriel was called upstairs. So except for > certain > >>special dispensations, it would seem that Uriel's attunements were > yanked > >>upstairs along with him. > > > [Canon angel] has a Purity attunement, does he not? I suspect that when an angel falls, it automatically loses all of its angelic attunements. Although demons of fire with Smite could be amusing ;) Demons of drugs with transubstantiation? Or any balseraph at all with Divine Logic. Probably a bad idea. jo "Conscious is when you are aware of something, and conscience is when you wish you weren't." Anon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:38:33 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > At 21:18 19/04/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become > >Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe > >themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon > >becoming Habbalites. > > > > Or else they don't and are happy to be doing Gods work as /demons/ -- I > think that was my point. After all, how superior could you feel if you knew > that you had deliberately chosen damnation so that others might choose > redemption? It was just a thought :) Reminds me of the pro-lifers shooting abortion doctors... ;) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:45:40 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Dataweaver wrote: > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > > > > > > > > >I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck > > >in their ways and unable to redeem or fall > > > > > >Craw-Wurm > > > > Dominic would disagree. He's pretty convinced of the possiblity in > > Gabriel's case, and for all he know, Eli at the very least seems to have > > one foot down already. > > > > One thing I'm fairly sure of is that one way or another, Outcast and > > Renegade Superiors don't stay that way for very long, once the Game or > > Judgement have their innings. > > Mmm... exactly what do you mean by an Outcast Archangel? Who cast him > out? (And why would he have a more difficult time avoiding Dominic than an > Outcast Angel would?) Likewise with Renegade Demon Princes; who did they > rebel against, and why would they have more trouble dealing with the Game > than normal Renegades would? I don't remember the exact details, but what about that Shedite who found a way to possess multiple vessels in the Middle Ages? The one all the AA:s and DP:s (except Valefor, of course:) fought together? Was he a renegade, or did he just become too powerful? Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:47:23 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Heretic103 wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/98 8:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, fmlazar@cyber- > wizard.com writes: > > << Eli at the very least seems to have > one foot down already. >> > > On the contary in my cronicles he is the second most powerful AA (next to > yves), the holiest Angel in existance, and does infact further the word of god > better than any other AA that is involved in heavenly politics. And resently > I have been toying with Ideas conecting him to the holy grail. Remeber that the first thing God did was to create. Think about it. :) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:55:42 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Graveyard Greg wrote: > Outcast Archangels would have to be cast out by God, I wager--but he's > not 'getting involved', except in the most extreme of cases, I think. > > As for renegade Demon Princes, they rebelled against Lucifer, of course. > > How they would have more trouble with the Judgement and the Game, I > have no idea..power levels, maybe? Outcast Angels are not Outcast by any individual except themselves and their very nature. The term Outcast just fits well with the all the biblical analogies there are in the game. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions - ---Dataweaver wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Graveyard Greg wrote: > > > Unless A Habbalite is making them, and telling them they're angels, > > eh? That's the only way I see Hellborn Habblah coming into existence. > > IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become > Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe > themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon > becoming Habbalites. > I must've missed that part...thanks! :) Nahtaivel ICQ: 11363516...Look for Leviathann _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions - ---Jo Hart wrote: > > At 21:18 19/04/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become > >Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe > >themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon > >becoming Habbalites. > > > > Or else they don't and are happy to be doing Gods work as /demons/ - -- I > think that was my point. After all, how superior could you feel if you knew > that you had deliberately chosen damnation so that others might choose > redemption? It was just a thought :) > > I do agree that it wuld be sensible not to inform the unenlightened > Habbalah of this though; after all, they are doing God's work too! God > evidently sent them the delusion to shield the more weak-minded ones - -- so > the Habbalah who don't think they are angels can feel superior about that too. > > > jo I really can't see it, but ya never know...Ringers in Hell, serving Heaven? Sounds just as improbable as Lucifer becoming Redeemed, but would be cool if it happened! As in the story of Dark Victory, yes? Leviathann Djinn of Lust, Demon of Pain, and Brother to Nahtaivel _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge - ---Heretic103 wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/98 8:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, fmlazar@cyber- > wizard.com writes: > > > On the contary in my cronicles he is the second most powerful AA (next to > yves), the holiest Angel in existance, and does infact further the word of god > better than any other AA that is involved in heavenly politics. And resently > I have been toying with Ideas conecting him to the holy grail. > Cool! When can we see yer ideas? Leviathann and Nahtaivel One is Fallen, the other Watches _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge - ---Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Dataweaver wrote: > > > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > I don't remember the exact details, but what about that Shedite who found > a way to possess multiple vessels in the Middle Ages? The one all the AA:s > and DP:s (except Valefor, of course:) fought together? Was he a renegade, > or did he just become too powerful? > > Anders Gabrielsson No, Legion just became WAY too powerful...Saminga helped him with a ritual, which thankfully Saminga has forgotten! Nahtaivel _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge - ---Andrew Frades wrote: > > Graveyard Greg wrote: > > > Outcast Archangels would have to be cast out by God, I wager--but he's > > not 'getting involved', except in the most extreme of cases, I think. > > > > As for renegade Demon Princes, they rebelled against Lucifer, of course. > > > > How they would have more trouble with the Judgement and the Game, I > > have no idea..power levels, maybe? > > Outcast Angels are not Outcast by any individual except themselves and > their very nature. The term Outcast just fits well with the all the > biblical analogies there are in the game. > > Andrew > I conceed to the better wisdom.. ;) Nahtaivel and Leviathann _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: IN> Starting up an In Nomine page I am going to finally be working on an In Nomine page..if any of you have songs, relics, and other resources, and you would like to share, please send them to me! They would be greatly appreciated... Graveyard Greg www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/3337 (my page for Deadlands, just to assure that I can make a webpage! ;) ) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:16:27 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? It's true that "chronos" and "kronos" are two different words in Greek, but it's also true that they sound very similar, and the pun has been in use a long time, helped by the major event in Kronos' myth, where he eats the infant Olympians (except Zeus). Make the pun and you have Time devouring his children, a gloomy metaphor that appealed to early Greek thinkers. So, yes, it's a pun or a misunderstanding, but one so old, it's a piece of classical literature in it's own right. "Baal," "Beelzebub," "Moloch," and (I think) "Asmodeus" are also god-names that have been given to demons, or based on god-named, this time from the paganisms that competed directly with the Israelites. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:23:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert One of my characters is an ophanim of Jordi, Main vessel is a wise cracking cockatiel who gets rather anoyed if you call him a parrot. incidently if anyone can thing of any decent jokes to do with parrots that an npc of kobal can use to insult this servitor it would be most apreciated Starsurfer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert > incidently if anyone can thing of any decent jokes to do with parrots > that an npc of kobal can use to insult this servitor it would be most > apreciated Have you already used the words "Tastes like chicken"? - -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:34:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > Too answer your second question first, ArchAngels and Princes tend to be > a LOT more noticeable in the corporeal realm than ordinarly celestials, Hm.... Eli seems to have no problems being unfindable. I don't think an Archangel's presence makes noise in the Sympony, though his arrival makes a nice *boom*. Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:35:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: [Eli] > Remeber that the first thing God did was to create. Think about it. :) Isn't his name one of those for God? One of the other players in a game I was in suggested that Eli was God and the reason that human beings were so important to Heaven is that God is a Mercurian. Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:21:23 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Last Times Simon Hailes wrote: > Just a thought, like the idea about desperate demons on the > run from Terminator-esque Angels in a shattered Post-Apocalyptic > world thing. A staging detail: Yes, it's a Post-Apocalyptic world, but a literal one, not a mundane day-after-the-bomb-went-off setting. That means that it is busily turning into a utopia. The Messianic Kingdom has come. (This works equally well for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. They are all expecting the messiah.) It might also make sense, in such a setting, that angels, saints, and Soldiers of God could move and act openly. ("Look, mommy, a seraph!" "Wave to the nice angel, dear.") Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 13:25 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions >IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become >Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe >themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon >becoming Habbalites. That may be *why* they become Habbalites: "I'm really *very* important, doing an important job that no one else understands" is exactly the kind of ego-justification I can see an imp coming up with. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 13:18 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? >I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck >in their ways and unable to redeem or fall I don't think so, since some of them *did* fall in the original Fall. Besides, the game is more interesting if both are possible, even if *very* rare.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 13:43 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge >I don't remember the exact details, but what about that Shedite who found >a way to possess multiple vessels in the Middle Ages? Legion. > Was he a renegade, >or did he just become too powerful? Yes to both, I think. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 13:42 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: re: IN> Orphan Angels >I suspect that when an angel falls, it automatically loses all of its >angelic attunements. I'm pretty sure this is outright stated in canon. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:47:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert >have you already used the words "Tastes like chicken"? >-Rob not quite, but a heavy metal band tried to eat him in a "Rock star eat my hamster" type stunt ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #722 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.