From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Jan 15 23:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA27318 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:11:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA28582 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:08:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:08:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200001160508.XAA28582@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1495 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, January 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1495 In this digest: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? IN> Shards Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? IN> Fallen/Outcast Gabriel Re: IN> Fallen/Outcast Gabriel Re: IN> Shards IN> Angelic titles Re: IN> Angelic titles Re: IN> Shards IN> Y2K Magical Disney Offer IN> Discover Hidden Secrets About Your Neighbors IN> Request for ideas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:34:28 -0600 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? > Frankly, I'd be terrified. The demons that would scare me the most would > be Shedim and Habbalah. The idea that something can control my actions, > cause me to harm my loved ones, and destroy my life, and there's not > much at all I can do to prevent it, would be beyond my ability to cope > with, I think. Bingo!! You want to talk about trying to become a Soldier of God? Sign me up, protect the kids and the other loved ones. (I'll lie for God, I'll cheat for God, I'll even kill for God.... You know the drill) Hmmm... what a great idea for a couple of NPC's... David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:33:09 -0600 From: Michael Mihallik Subject: IN> Shards - --------------45532859E7CB6F2829A7C203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The campaign idea detailed below is heretical, non-canonical, and the result of a collaberation between myself and Douglas Muir. I'm fishing for comments of all sorts. You've been warned. There was war in Heaven. Fully a third of the angels of Heaven sided with the Lightbringer, and their rebellion shook Creation. Michael prevailed over Lucifer his brother, and cast him down from the walls of heaven. Lucifer, the Light that once was, fell into the depths of Hell where God’s Symphony did not reach, and when Lucifer struck… he shattered. Lucifer was a Seraph, even during the Fall. He knew the Truth with every fiber of his being. The mystery of how Lucifer the favored Archangel could become Lucifer, Prince of Hell, remains unanswered. Here’s one take on the matter. Imagine Lucifer (before the Fall) as a prism, with the shining white light of Truth taken into him and refracted so as to wring greater beauty from it. This was how Lucifer was intended to be. As a Seraph and an Archangel, Lucifer explored the possibilities of the Symphony and showed his brethren new ways of looking at God’s creation. This ability to reveal to his brethren all of the colors and refractions of the Truth, unique to Lucifer, was at first a source of pride. Lucifer’s pride was not Truth, and the dissonance of that pride drove him to madness and rebellion. When Michael cast Lucifer down, the prism that was Lucifer shattered, and forces which had been part of Lucifer flew free from the metaphysical impact, creating a number of distinct “shards”. It is already known that Archangels can replicate angels of Choirs other than their own, and that Demon Princes have similar ability in creating demons of other Bands. Any Superior, according to canon, may utilize the resonance of a Choir or Band other than his own. Lucifer, maddened and glutted with new power, maintained his new nature by compartmentalizing those parts of his psyche that did not mesh with the being that he became in the moment of his Fall. Those fragments broke free as shards, each with a number of forces attached – sort of a spontaneous creation of new celestials. As ages passed, some of those fragments of his personality have gained form and more forces - the children of his thought, the (often distorted) pieces of his Truth. Each shard holds a fragment of the Truth that was Lucifer, or a fragment of his nascent madness. The Lucifer that God created (henceforth referred to as “Lucifer Prime”) is no more. The largest shard, a Balseraph, convinced himself that he was Lucifer, and with the amount of power that had flowed into Lucifer Prime during the rebellion, none of the new demons had the will or temerity to challenge. Besides, the rest of the rebels arrived in Hell somewhat later than Lucifer, who could create any story he wished and as a Balseraph believed it. One shard, which embodied the insubordination of Lucifer, became Uzal, the Balseraph Demon of Insubordination. Another shard, embodying the reverence of Lucifer for God over all, even in spite of God’s favor for Man, became Iblis the Djinn, who by Islamic tradition was damned when he refused to bow before Adam and betray the commandment that nothing be honored before Allah. Yet another shard, embodying the impulse which led Lucifer to test Eve with temptation during the Eden Experiment, became Samael of Hebrew tradition, a Habbalite, still testing the worthiness of humanity for Heaven and firmly convinced that he works in God’s service. The shard embodying the need of Lucifer to uncover and reveal the Truth eventually fledged into Litheroy, now the Seraph Archangel of Revelation. Perhaps one shard, holding fragments of outrage upwelling from Lucifer Prime’s consciousness, nursed its rage through the eons until eventually fledging as a Malakite, and so on… Only those shards that originally possessed (or later gained) forces in all three realms (Corporeal, Ethereal and Celestial) could be considered viable celestials. Other proto-shards, possessing forces in only one or two realms, might still exist somewhere but would most likely have dissolved into the Symphony. Still, there might be shadows in the Marches, each with a bit of disjointed wisdom, which never gained corporeal or celestial forces, and Remnants of Lucifer Prime may lurk somewhere on Earth. Shards are independent beings, with unique motivations and distinct personalities. Though they share a common origin, they will not conveniently fit back together like some celestial jigsaw puzzle, and most would heartily resist any efforts to do so. They do not merge into celestial amalgam beings when they come into contact with one another. Some ancient celestials who were around before the Fall might see a faint resemblance between a shard and their memory of Lucifer Prime, but it’s been a long time... Only a few celestials know or suspect the truth. The shards themselves would be largely ignorant of their origin, and have few solid avenues of inquiry, since Lucifer Prime (and presumably God) would be the only beings cognizant of this essential Truth. Yves certainly would have guessed, and by extension so might Kronos. Litheroy might have uncovered the truth of his creation, but it’s likely that the enigmatic Yves would have asked that he not reveal that fact for risk of adversely affecting the destinies of other beings or parts of the Symphony. Others may suspect but lack any facts. Certainly the Lucifer shard would maintain his first and greatest Lie by spreading misinformation about the shards, and crushing any who seriously grew close to the Truth. Story seeds: The PCs come into possession of an ancient relic – a crystalline statuette which depicts an angelic being. The mysterious artifact draws the unwanted attention of powerful forces, both infernal and divine, all bent on obtaining the relic at any cost. The relic is a pre-Fall depiction of Lucifer Prime, and is a central clue to unraveling the mystery of the shards. The Lucifer shard would certainly not wish such an artifact, which might reveal his biggest Lie, to continue existing… and other celestials would want to get their hands on it based upon their own suspicions. Those few who know of the shards have surmised that Lucifer Prime may only be restored to wholeness should all of his errant shards join in achieving the Destiny of the Lightbringer, or in sealing his Fate. Such an event would alter the course of the entire War for good or ill, but the angelic shards are not likely to favor Falling, and the demonic shards will be resistant to the idea of redeeming... even if they were let in on the truth. Still, the shards have quite a potential for individual power stemming from their origins, and both Heaven and Hell would be remiss to allow such power to fall into the hands of the opposition unchallenged. Litheroy may not be the only shard to rise to the rank of Archangel. The most ancient among the Archangels (and the first Princes among the Fallen) suspect there may be a resemblance between the First of the Fallen and Heaven’s general. These suspicions remain closely guarded secrets because these ancient Archangels fear that Laurence might falter if he were to learn his origins. Some might benefit if those suspicions were revealed at a crucial time, but there are many on both sides of the War who would keep those suspicions unspoken. - --------------45532859E7CB6F2829A7C203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The campaign idea detailed below is heretical, non-canonical, and the result of a collaberation between myself and Douglas Muir. I'm fishing for comments of all sorts. You've been warned.

There was war in Heaven.

Fully a third of the angels of Heaven sided with the Lightbringer, and their rebellion shook Creation. Michael prevailed over Lucifer his brother, and cast him down from the walls of heaven. Lucifer, the Light that once was, fell into the depths of Hell where God’s Symphony did not reach, and when Lucifer struck… he shattered.

Lucifer was a Seraph, even during the Fall. He knew the Truth with every fiber of his being. The mystery of how Lucifer the favored Archangel could become Lucifer, Prince of Hell, remains unanswered. Here’s one take on the matter.

Imagine Lucifer (before the Fall) as a prism, with the shining white light of Truth taken into him and refracted so as to wring greater beauty from it. This was how Lucifer was intended to be. As a Seraph and an Archangel, Lucifer explored the possibilities of the Symphony and showed his brethren new ways of looking at God’s creation. This ability to reveal to his brethren all of the colors and refractions of the Truth, unique to Lucifer, was at first a source of pride.

Lucifer’s pride was not Truth, and the dissonance of that pride drove him to madness and rebellion. When Michael cast Lucifer down, the prism that was Lucifer shattered, and forces which had been part of Lucifer flew free from the metaphysical impact, creating a number of distinct “shards”. It is already known that Archangels can replicate angels of Choirs other than their own, and that Demon Princes have similar ability in creating demons of other Bands. Any Superior, according to canon, may utilize the resonance of a Choir or Band other than his own. Lucifer, maddened and glutted with new power, maintained his new nature by compartmentalizing those parts of his psyche that did not mesh with the being that he became in the moment of his Fall. Those fragments broke free as shards, each with a number of forces attached – sort of a spontaneous creation of new celestials. As ages passed, some of those fragments of his personality have gained form and more forces - the children of his thought, the (often distorted) pieces of his Truth. Each shard holds a fragment of the Truth that was Lucifer, or a fragment of his nascent madness. The Lucifer that God created (henceforth referred to as “Lucifer Prime”) is no more. The largest shard, a Balseraph, convinced himself that he was Lucifer, and with the amount of power that had flowed into Lucifer Prime during the rebellion, none of the new demons had the will or temerity to challenge. Besides, the rest of the rebels arrived in Hell somewhat later than Lucifer, who could create any story he wished and as a Balseraph believed it.

One shard, which embodied the insubordination of Lucifer, became Uzal, the Balseraph Demon of Insubordination. Another shard, embodying the reverence of Lucifer for God over all, even in spite of God’s favor for Man, became Iblis the Djinn, who by Islamic tradition was damned when he refused to bow before Adam and betray the commandment that nothing be honored before Allah. Yet another shard, embodying the impulse which led Lucifer to test Eve with temptation during the Eden Experiment, became Samael of Hebrew tradition, a Habbalite, still testing the worthiness of humanity for Heaven and firmly convinced that he works in God’s service. The shard embodying the need of Lucifer to uncover and reveal the Truth eventually fledged into Litheroy, now the Seraph Archangel of Revelation. Perhaps one shard, holding fragments of outrage upwelling from Lucifer Prime’s consciousness, nursed its rage through the eons until eventually fledging as a Malakite, and so on…

Only those shards that originally possessed (or later gained) forces in all three realms (Corporeal, Ethereal and Celestial) could be considered viable celestials. Other proto-shards, possessing forces in only one or two realms, might still exist somewhere but would most likely have dissolved into the Symphony. Still, there might be shadows in the Marches, each with a bit of disjointed wisdom, which never gained corporeal or celestial forces, and Remnants of Lucifer Prime may lurk somewhere on Earth.

Shards are independent beings, with unique motivations and distinct personalities. Though they share a common origin, they will not conveniently fit back together like some celestial jigsaw puzzle, and most would heartily resist any efforts to do so. They do not merge into celestial amalgam beings when they come into contact with one another. Some ancient celestials who were around before the Fall might see a faint resemblance between a shard and their memory of Lucifer Prime, but it’s been a long time...

Only a few celestials know or suspect the truth. The shards themselves would be largely ignorant of their origin, and have few solid avenues of inquiry, since Lucifer Prime (and presumably God) would be the only beings cognizant of this essential Truth. Yves certainly would have guessed, and by extension so might Kronos. Litheroy might have uncovered the truth of his creation, but it’s likely that the enigmatic Yves would have asked that he not reveal that fact for risk of adversely affecting the destinies of other beings or parts of the Symphony. Others may suspect but lack any facts. Certainly the Lucifer shard would maintain his first and greatest Lie by spreading misinformation about the shards, and crushing any who seriously grew close to the Truth.

Story seeds:

The PCs come into possession of an ancient relic – a crystalline statuette which depicts an angelic being. The mysterious artifact draws the unwanted attention of powerful forces, both infernal and divine, all bent on obtaining the relic at any cost. The relic is a pre-Fall depiction of Lucifer Prime, and is a central clue to unraveling the mystery of the shards. The Lucifer shard would certainly not wish such an artifact, which might reveal his biggest Lie, to continue existing… and other celestials would want to get their hands on it based upon their own suspicions.

Those few who know of the shards have surmised that Lucifer Prime may only be restored to wholeness should all of his errant shards join in achieving the Destiny of the Lightbringer, or in sealing his Fate. Such an event would alter the course of the entire War for good or ill, but the angelic shards are not likely to favor Falling, and the demonic shards will be resistant to the idea of redeeming... even if they were let in on the truth. Still, the shards have quite a potential for individual power stemming from their origins, and both Heaven and Hell would be remiss to allow such power to fall into the hands of the opposition unchallenged.

Litheroy may not be the only shard to rise to the rank of Archangel. The most ancient among the Archangels (and the first Princes among the Fallen) suspect there may be a resemblance between the First of the Fallen and Heaven’s general. These suspicions remain closely guarded secrets because these ancient Archangels fear that Laurence might falter if he were to learn his origins. Some might benefit if those suspicions were revealed at a crucial time, but there are many on both sides of the War who would keep those suspicions unspoken. - --------------45532859E7CB6F2829A7C203-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:24:31 +0000 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? >All this talk about personal beliefs on the list has got me >wondering. What would you do if you found out beyond the shadow of a >doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual >TRUTH? Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop >one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and that the >entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? > Almost too frightening to comprehend. Imagine not only having to protect your friends, family, and loved ones from the denizens of Hell on earth, but also from *themselves*. How *do* souls in Heaven cope when they realise that those once close to them have gone to Hell? - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:20:28 -0500 From: nukenin@concentric.net Subject: IN> Fallen/Outcast Gabriel I recently saw a writeup of a Fallen Gabriel with the word of Wrath on the web (think it was on your page, David, but I'm not positive). I liked it a lot, and it made me wonder... What about a Fallen/Renegade Gabriel trying to bring on Armageddon herself? I could see her attempting to set the events in motion that would let her sound her trumpet (as per Revelations in the Bible). I was thinking this had the makings of an interesting "what if" campaign (starting after Armageddon), with the players eventually going back to try to prevent Gabriel's Fall or Armageddon. There's a story here at least, but I don't have the words to bring it out (and not NEARLY enough monkeys and IBMs to leave it to chance). Any stories/movies/campaigns like this out there? Monty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:38:43 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Fallen/Outcast Gabriel nukenin@concentric.net wrote: > I recently saw a writeup of a Fallen Gabriel with the word of Wrath on the> web (think it was on your page, David, but I'm not positive). Yup. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/Gabriel.htm. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:05:25 -0600 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Shards This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF5F40.0AE83900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like it. I don't think that I like L's shards becoming angels or = Archangels though... If I used this I would leave the shards as being = Remnants and Demons. With perhaps "L" being aware to some degree of the = truth of the nature and constantly looking for the rest of "his" being. = None of the Host know the truth but Litheroy and Yves and they really = want to keep the truth hidden because the shards still out there have a = huge potential for power and corruption *if* messed with. The campaign = could start as "L" has decided that the time has come to find the rest = of his being and reabsorb it/them. Servitors of Destiny and Revelation = are frantic as they realize this and the rest of the Host realizes that = something is very, very wrong... Demons are disappearing (being absorbed = back into "L") and "L" is walking the earth again... That would work real well with the "rule" that L is forbidden/unable = to enter the Corporeal realm until the End Times. Everyone is confused = beause Gabriel isn't blowing the Trump of Doom ( And won't start until = L/"L" reaches a certain critical mass and starts moving to fulfil the = prophecies to bring on Arm.) Great idea!!! David - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF5F40.0AE83900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like it. I don't think that I like = L's shards=20 becoming angels or Archangels though... If I used this I would leave = the=20 shards as being Remnants and Demons. With perhaps "L" being aware to = some=20 degree of the truth of the nature and constantly looking for the rest = of "his"=20 being. None of the Host know the truth but Litheroy and Yves and = they=20 really want to keep the truth hidden because the shards still out = there have a huge potential for power and corruption *if* messed = with.=20 The campaign could start as "L" has decided that the time has come=20 to find the rest of his being and reabsorb = it/them. Servitors of=20 Destiny and Revelation are frantic as they realize this and the rest = of the=20 Host realizes that something is very, very wrong... Demons are=20 disappearing (being absorbed back into "L") and "L" is walking = the earth=20 again...
 
That would work real well with the = "rule" that L=20 is forbidden/unable to enter the Corporeal realm until = the End=20 Times. Everyone is confused beause Gabriel isn't blowing the Trump of = Doom (=20 And won't start until L/"L"  reaches a certain critical mass and = starts=20 moving to fulfil the prophecies to bring on Arm.)
 
Great idea!!!
 
David
- ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF5F40.0AE83900-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:49:27 -0600 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: IN> Angelic titles Goofy question that I think I remember reading the answer to but can't find again... (And I have looked and looked...) How do angelic titles work in Canon? Is it Jack, Seraph of War, Master of Valor, Vassal of the Sword, Angel of Hand-Gernade's or is there some other order? Is it "Angel of Hand Gernades" or "Seraph of Hand Gernades"? I would think that you would list all of the Dist. if being really formal, and that there would be a semi-clear-cut official version (For when you present yourself to the Council or whatever) Thanks, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:49:10 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Angelic titles David Rodemaker wrote: > How do angelic titles work in Canon? It depends somewhat on the Superior; different Archangels have different conventions among their followers. The Superiors books go into detail on this. > Is it Jack, Seraph of War, Master of Valor, Vassal of the Sword, Angel of> Hand-Gernade's or is there some other order? I'd say except in very formal situations, an angel wouldn't use every one of his titles. "Jack, Master of Valor (and/or) Angel of Hand Grenades" would suffice, depending on whether he's stressing his Superior (and rank) or Word at the time. He'd probably only introduce himself as "Jack, Seraph Master of Valor" if it was important to identify his Choir. >>> Is it "Angel of Hand Gernades"> or "Seraph of Hand Gernades"?<<< The former -- or "Seraph Angel of Hand Grenades" if it's important to identify his Choir. "Seraph of Hand Grenades" implies that he is a Seraph Servitor of the Archangel of Hand Grenades. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:11:47 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: Re: IN> Shards I for one found the Shards idea to be very interesting, and perhaps I will use that adventure seed. Good thinking. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:32:38 -0700 From: resort@administration.faithweb.com Subject: IN> Y2K Magical Disney Offer 01/14/00 Jim Sander Director of On-Line Travel Programs Orlando Magical Vacation, Inc. Re: A Spectacular Disney/Orlando Magical Vacation!! 5 days / 4 nights in a luxury 1200 sf condo at Summerfield Condo Resort. This discounted corporate vacation is NOW only $299.00 per person or $598.88 per family, plus tax. Travel up to six people per package. Kids Stay Free!! CALL NOW...1 800 230 7135 Ext.61 Make your travel arrangements anytime over the next 12 months! Register TODAY and Receive Complimentary: 2 Adult 4 Day Disney Park Hopper Passes 2 Adult Casino Cruise Passes Continental Breakfast Daily Shuttle Service to Disney Also receive your choice of a 3 day / 2 night Getaway Bonus with Over 50 locations to choose from!! Maui, Hawaii! Cancun, Mexico!! Las Vegas, Nevada!!! This promotional price includes EVERYTHING!!! Don't forget to ask your Agent about the Discounted Rental Car with UNLIMITED Mileage. CALL NOW!!! 1 800 230 7135 Ext.61 "Have your credit card ready" Hours of operation are 9 AM to 9 PM, Mon - Fri. 10AM-2PM, Sat (eastern) We anticipate a large volume of calls so If signal's busy, keep trying. If you wish not to receive further messages, please forward mail with "delete" in the subject line. Thanks... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:50:25 -0800 From: samsill@ozbytes.net.au Subject: IN> Discover Hidden Secrets About Your Neighbors - ------=_NextPart_000_3C4A_00006BC1.00000FCD Content-Type: text/html; "THE INTERNET SPY AND YOU"

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 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:05:27 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Request for ideas Hello all, I'm stumped for an idea, and I wonder if someone could help me. I've got a PC Seraph of Revelation in my campaign. Both player and character are off to a great start -- she was part of an operation that led to the exposure, and subsequent destruction, of a Tether of Alaemon. Now her Archangel is pleased with her, but Alaemon is *most* annoyed. What I'd like to do is this: I want to have a servitor of Secrets sidle up to her and whisper a secret in her ear... one that, if revealed, would cause serious trouble for her and her friends. At a minimum, it should make them some powerful enemies and put them in danger; ideally, it should also cause something *bad* to happen, if revealed. For bonus points, it should be something that can cause her dissonance again and again. This seems like a suitable revenge, no? Problem is, I can't some up with something that fits. So I'm throwing it out to you-all. Two constraints. One, nothing too cosmic ("Dominic is really a Balseraph!"). These are beginning PCs and (mostly) newish players, so nothing too huge at this point, though it could be something with huge implications down the line. Two, it's a highish-contrast campaign -- angels are mostly pretty good, and demons bad. The ideal situation would be one where she has to seriously agonize over keeping/revealing the secret, and where she takes some serious lumps either way. A mean trick to play on a PC, perhaps, but she _has_ seriously annoyed a Prince, and I want the players to be aware that this sort of thing has conequences, and that there are *reasons* one should be cautious about blowing up someone's Tether. So. Any ideas? -- If you could just brainstorm and throw a bunch of 'em out, that would be great. Thanks in advance, Doug M. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1495 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.