From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Nov 9 23:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11025 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:31:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA22585 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:30:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:30:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200011100530.XAA22585@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1916 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1916 In this digest: Re: IN> In Nomine animals. Re: IN> In Nomine animals. Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation Re: IN> In Nomine animals. Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) IN> You know... IN> The TAO of Kronos (was Animals and Kronos's destiny) Re: IN> You know... IN> The Shadow over In Nomine-mouth (was Vapula seed) Re:IN> Vapula seed Re: IN> Animals playing with their food (having already eaten their toys) IN> Message for EDG IN> Too much time on my hands. Re: IN> Baka!! Re: IN> Too much time on my hands. Re: IN> Too much time on my hands. Re: IN> A Contender for Sloth Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) Re: IN> In Nomine animals. Re: IN> Baka!! Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) Re: IN> You know... Re: IN> Baka!! Re: IN> The TAO of Kronos (was Animals and Kronos's destiny) Re: IN> Balakite Thought ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:13:58 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine animals. At 7:51 PM +0000 11/9/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: >> >>No. We are saying that animals don't have the capacity for conceptual >>reasoning. Which is why no animal has yet competed on Iron Chef. > >Uhhh... I thought they didn't participate on Iron Chef because they >didn't have opposible thumbs. Excpet for monkeys, they don't >participate because of the Fire issues . . . That's what you have the *assistants* for. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:37:41 GMT From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine animals. >>>No. We are saying that animals don't have the capacity for conceptual >>>reasoning. Which is why no animal has yet competed on Iron Chef. >> >>Uhhh... I thought they didn't participate on Iron Chef because they >>didn't have opposible thumbs. Excpet for monkeys, they don't >>participate because of the Fire issues . . . > >That's what you have the *assistants* for. D'oh! How could I be so blind?! We've got relievers running all over the place. - -Perry, KFC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:10:38 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation At 5:38 PM +0000 11/9/00, Laurent wrote: >> Transub doesn't create alive life, anyway, IIRC. >wow! I've got to write this one down... what, you mean like, dead life?? >hehehe... just kidding. I'm still a bit confused, though, and I didn't find >anything on Transub on the INC. You can make a fish with Transub (iirc), but it's not a _living_ fish with a spirit. It's a nice fresh fish ready to be fillet'ed or divvied up with a few dozen of your closest friends. Especially if you transub up some more fish. If you leave this new fish lying around, it will quickly become inhabited by opportunistic bacteria and whatnot and soon become a very stinky fish, as fish left lying around are wont to do. >What about this one: the angel can use the statue as a live body (if not a >vessel), but keeps on decomposing because of theory 2. He must use at least one >Transub a day (depending on attunment duration) to regenerate his body, etc. >That would make the character even more interesting... I wouldn't do it that way -- once it's made into organic material, it's organic, and I don't think I'd be inclined to let someone keep the thing from rotting by the "I turn rotting flesh into healthy flesh!" trick. Not for long, anyway. I mean, if you want the guy to be constantly Essence-broke, that might be perfectly reasonable... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 15:56:12 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine animals. Earl Wajenberg wrote: > There's a delicate distinction here between awareness and > SELF-awareness. Yes. When I say "self-aware," I mean the ability to distinguish oneself from one's thoughts. A human baby is not self-aware. (Indeed, I don't think most people become self-aware until age 6-8 at the earliest.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:02:09 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) Casca wrote: Interesting. Personally, I would have given her to Khalid, since Exorcism seems to fall naturally underFaith, and Faith is traditionally at odds with the occult. No, Judaism and Islam don't have much of a tradition of exorcism (though they do have quite a few occult traditions). Christianity moreso and less so, respectively, but Exorcism would most likely fall into Dominic or Laurence's bailiwick. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: "There's no gravity, the world just sucks." Subject: IN> You know... Somewhere there's a demon of Dark Humor getting some serious kudos for this whole Election thing. Let's see what we've got. The fate of the free world may well rest on the humble state of Florida, where the election may well be won or lost on two factors - 1) The "West Palm Beach Nazis", where badly-structured ballots (which may well turn out to have been illegal to be structured that way in the first place) seem to have resulted in thousands of people accidentally voting for Buchanan. One local there was quoted as saying, "Y'know, I *really* don't think we have three thousand Nazis in West Palm Beach." 2) The amazing recount. The recount is adding in all the votes where ballots were improperly marked, not badly enough to disqualify them from being valid, but improperly enough that the computers couldn't read 'em. In other words, we're adding in all the incompetants now. Bush has picked up about 500 incompetant votes, while Gore has achieved 2000 incompetant votes - Democrats are nearly 4 times more incompetant than Republicans! But this isn't nearly enough incompetance - you see, to win, the Democrats have to be *five* times as incompetant as Republicans. Possibly six, if they want a safe margin. Never before has a potential great leader had followers who were not quite incompetant *enough*... Not to mention all the people who fell all over each other congratulating Bush for winning, then frantically trying to retract it, and finally just going off to the pub to have a drink. If this was a work of fiction, we'd never believe it was possible. It would have made a great demonic campaign, though. - --JT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:01:22 -0800 From: tcp@zoomnet.net Subject: IN> The TAO of Kronos (was Animals and Kronos's destiny) David my simple opinion is that animals are self aware to an extent and the idea they arn't is simple rationalization without any benifit of logic or evidence. The idea they do not reason, do not learn, do not feel pain or do not have the potential to trust/hate is an insult to every animal lover and the man who created the animals. My opinion is also something Jordi will suddenly inhabit a bunch of street dogs and tear me to pierces for. Animals can go to Hell. Admittadly I do not believe Kronos (pardon my Infernal) gives a damn about the fates of animals really in the Symphony on a one to one basis. Kronos is concerned with those with GREAT Fates such as Hitler, Mao, Sadamn Hussein, Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, King Edward Longshanks, J.R. Rockefeller, and Vladimir Tepes. Kronos is the embodiment of the Symphony lucifer has created around himself just as Yves is the same for God. Thus Kronos isn't about creating a stable/self aware/symphony but dancing about and saying "Look at me, Look at me, I'm corrupting your silly bear humans in ways you'll never can replicate...wheeeee!" Thus why Kronos is a Balseraph and Yves is no Celestial. Kronos is a reflection of Lucifer (FNORD me beth) or that of all demons and evil spirits...(still enforcing one's will on the Symphony). However you can make a dog mean....you can beat it, abuse it, starve it until it HATES and you can look into it's eyes and know it will take you out. I doubt there are many cows in Hell but I believe there are animals. Maybe one peon servitor of Kronos whom he looks down upon (maybe a sucession of dozens) who have the word of "Animal Attacks" or "Animal Evil". The reason animals though under Jordi do not include humans is because of Religeon, the attempt to understand God rather than acceptance of the Symphony around them. Why Jordi can't be the Archangel of Angels either. Jordi volentarily gave it up as part of his word as per Michael's advice....and probably still regrets it. Also I wouldn't suggest Jordi's Savannah is devoid of humans either...one wonders how many mortals so consumed with the rat race and trying to understand reality...forsake their humanity to dwell in animal like forms. As for Kronos and Yves... Do they have a fate and destiny? In my game they do as it revolves around Yves about to meet his Fate...specifically to lose hope that Heaven's gordian knot of servitude to God can be unraveled. Kronos secretly helps the players in one of the more curious scenes of the campaign stating. "I cannot exist without Yves." Kronos's destiny might well be to dissolve and acknowledge that he himself has no purpose and that fate brings no solace but is merely a delay of destiny. Or he might be remade and/or become one with Yves...revealing that Kronos in his darkness was showing people the pits of their souls all the time to bring them forward. Who knows. - -Charlie God likely - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:32:34 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> You know... You know, that looks awfully like a post-and-run, despite the token Dark Humor comment. Either be good (let's not get into an incompetancy political flame, SHALL WE?) and don't do this -- or do it RIGHT. Set up the adventure seed. A close election. One faction wants to make sure that their candidate (who may or may not be a knowing pawn) gets in, while another wants theirs. Add in Janus and/or Kobal. Cause Mayhem. C'mon, let's see you strut your stuff. - --Beth, List Admin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:24:18 -0800 From: tcp@zoomnet.net Subject: IN> The Shadow over In Nomine-mouth (was Vapula seed) Hey I was just thinking about this last night dude! I was wondering... How do I convert H.P. Lovecraft's Shadow to In Nomine and it struck me it was very easily converted but I thought I'd add my own twist to the work here. A Town of Horrors Few people realize that Vapula's experiments are not exclusively assigned to Hell despite the best efforts of the other princes to convince him that "Hell has the best working conditions". The Town of Horrors is thus the result of Vapula taking some initiative (when does he not) and creating a sight B to develop one of his most ambitious experiments yet, the final eradication of the human soul which can achieve a destiny. The Nephilim were always an intriguing thing to Vapula and he sought they out with great fervor but it took centuries to find even one of the Grigori...and when he did even all his tortures could not pry free the secret of creating the marvelous beasts....thus he reverse engineered from Creationers, Children of the Grigori, and even bargained with beleth. But in the End he had the Song of Creation. The town he chose was small, out of the way, Middle America probably or any number of other places which sprung around some industry that chucked out. Servitors who weren't favored or were disgraced were offered the chance with some of his labratory "engineers" to join together in the working. His instructions were clear to set themselves up as the Sheriff, the Town Pediatrician, and the local Spiritual leader while getting other similar roles vital to the community....and then he instructed his allies and servitors something quite pleasant... "Breed" Midnight rapes ordered to be forgotton, Songs of Attraction, Nightmares and things done that are best not spoken of caused the first generation to be a bit "odd" but everyone tried to make it seem normal. "Celestial Children" who appeared Normal Vapula's instructors ordered to breed much more and the song of fruitation caused this to do much well....and interbreeding do the servitors became quite common. A number of Hellsworn have emerged in the home as the Parish priest (passed down from vessel to vessel) have made little impact for the side of heaven and the horrors allowed bizzare beliefs to fester...especially when your mom and brotehrs are monsters. Insanity seems common but everytime someone thinks about leaving, they just forget about it.... or can't. More than half the town now is either hellsworn, Nephilim, Gorgon, or a child of such. 90% or more of the town has demonic blood inside of their spirits and Vapula is about ready to intiate the next stage of his plan even as his doctors examine their eggs, sperm, and fetally grow new "oddities" below. The question is of course now not if Heaven will find it (a divine...or infernal intervention will have SOMEONE'S car break down in the area) But what will the Superior's opinions be on the town when the demons are destroyed? - -Charlie - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:13:28 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Vapula seed On Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:49:14 Maurice Lane wrote: >It isn't easy to be the only sane one in the asylum. [snip] you call this *sane?* AAAIIIIEEEE!!! Moe's done it again! fabulous job, you psycho ;) -=|horsefly|=- Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Animals playing with their food (having already eaten their toys) - --- David Edelstein wrote: > The reason humans survive shark attacks is that humans taste > horrible.> We are so inedible that even sharks won't eat us. They > take a bite, go> 'yuck' and then spit the morsel out. > > You know, several people have said this, and it's certainly an > interesting theory, but how do we KNOW what humans taste like to > sharks? I mean, did someone do a taste test? Consider three factors: * Many shark attacks involve surfers, and the going theory is that a surfer looks just like a seal from below. * A shark's instinct is probably to bite into the body to prevent the prey from escaping. * When a shark bites into the body of what only looks like a seal, he gets a big mouthful of surfboard. I have no idea what humans taste like to sharks, but I'm pretty sure that fiberglass (or whatever they make surfboards out of) tastes awful. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:36:57 GMT From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Message for EDG If you have sent me any correspondence since October 22, 2000, I have not received it although I have responded to you twice since then. If you are reading this message, please confirm that your e-mail address is still EDG@sjgames.com. Thank you, Janet Anderson dorigen@hotmail.com (Excuse this, everyone, but I can't reach him by e-mail and I think either his messages or mine are getting lost in the Black Hole of Calcutta.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Too much time on my hands. Or maybe I need a more challenging job. I dunno. Anyway, this one will really require http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/superiors/Galahad.htm to be read first, in order for the below to make sense. Sorry about the lack of a backlink. Actually, it probably isn't going to make much sense, anyway. I couldn't WAIT to get home and finish this one up. Hope the rest of you like reading it as much as I liked writing it. :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Why _him_? Why did I do this one? Because I _Can_. Bwahh-hah-hah-hah-hahhhh! ;) Gojira Ethereal Page of Duty (No, really.) Corporeal Forces: 6 Strength: 12 Agility: 12 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 10 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 12 Perception: 8 Vessel: Gojira doesn’t visit the corporeal plane often. When he does, he usually just grabs any spare vessel handy. Skills: Dodge/1, Emote/3, Fighting/6, Knowledge/6 (Ethereal pantheons), Language (English/1, Japanese/3), Large Weapon/1 (train), Savoir-Faire/3, Tactics/3, Throwing/3 Songs: Dreams (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3, Celestial/1), Entropy (Ethereal/3), Might (Corporeal/3), Motion (Ethereal/3, Celestial/3), Numinous Corpus: Acid/3, Shields (All/2), Tongues (Ethereal/3) Attunements: Ethereal of Virtue, Ofanite of Virtue, Shield, Sword, Page of Duty It would seem that the Archangel Galahad has a sense of humor, after all. Or possibly just a very open mind: either way, Galahad's appreciation of this most unlikely of Servitors just doesn't jibe well with his reputation as a stuffed shirt. Gojira was part of the first wave of ethereals to answer Galahad's call for Servitors, and what a motley bunch they were, indeed. Refugees and minor personages from a hundred pantheons gathered at the gates of Heaven to enlist... and right there, in the middle, was an 80-foot lizard. Sitting in the lotus position. At first Galahad thought that was an affectation, but as he got closer, he saw that the ethereal seemed as taut as a bowstring. Gojira was obviously fighting for physical control: his very form seemed to flicker. The Archangel of Virtue recognized the condition all too well. Human perceptions of Gojira had shifted, and the ethereal was desperately attempting to fight off the change. That was enough for Galahad: there was no way that he could refuse the offered fealty of an entity resolutely struggling against the same corruption that once threatened him. He stabilized and inducted Gojira on the spot, and has never regretted it since. The new Servitor of Virtue proved to have a knack at recruitment and liaison work in the Marches: as any kid could have told you, Gojira's _not_ as dumb as he looks. In fact, it's looking like he might be soon able to engineer an open break between Hell and the August Prosperity Collective. His mere status is powerful propaganda. Generally, Gojira is well-liked by his new colleagues. There's very little guile in him, and it's all saved for Heaven's foes. Like many ethereals created in the modern era, Gojira has a perspective on humanity that celestials find useful - and he's thrilled to get asked for his input. Nobody ever asked him for his opinion before. And, of course, the kids just love him. He likes taking a shift at welcoming the blessed to Heaven: the sight of Godzilla, with a halo, has caused more than one blessed soul to collapse with laughter before they even get past the Pearly Gates. It should be noted that Gojira is only an 80-foot guy in a lizard suit on the ethereal or celestial planes. He doesn't often go corporeal, and when he does, any human vessel will do. It makes it easier to get into the video stores. Most of his work is in the Marches, anyway. He spends a lot of time doing favors for Blandine and Christopher there, with Galahad's full permission. It's amazing how fast Servitors of Nightmares will clear the area when an 80-foot lizard with radioactive breath pops in. However... Gojira has made something clear. There will be a Final Battle, someday, and when it does, he wants to be able to use the vessel he's having specially made up (financed by Marc's organization, of course, on reasonable terms). Michael agreed right away: Laurence took a little more persuasion, but even the General of the Host is capable of irony. So, when that day comes, the Gorilla-Whale will rise from the sea and level a city, just like all of his watchers secretly dreamed of seeing. No, _not_ Tokyo: the Japanese have always shown proper respect. Gojira wants Hollywood. Gojira wants Hollywood so badly that his claws twitch. Turn _him_ into a parthenogenetic, egg-laying 80-foot gecko, will they? He'll show them parthenogenetic. He'll parthenogenetic them into the Pacific Ocean, see if he doesn't... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:13:13 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Baka!! Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:23:49 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: IN> Baka!! >(The idea popped into my head. I can't apologise >enough... >This is my first writeup. Hope I didn't get things >too wrong.) >Iggy >Kyriotate of Creation IST to Dreams >Angel of Anime >Numinous Corpus (eyes/1), OK, this is precisely the kind of touch I like to see in writeups.* :) Moe *Seriously, I liked it. It made me laugh. It was goofy in the good way. Well done. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:14:21 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Too much time on my hands. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: IN> Too much time on my hands. > Gojira has made something clear. There will be a > Final Battle, someday, and when it does, he wants to > be able to use the vessel he's having specially made > up (financed by Marc's organization, of course, on > reasonable terms). Michael agreed right away: > Laurence took a little more persuasion, but even the > General of the Host is capable of irony. So, when > that day comes, the Gorilla-Whale will rise from the > sea and level a city, just like all of his watchers > secretly dreamed of seeing. No, _not_ Tokyo: the > Japanese have always shown proper respect. Gojira > wants Hollywood. Gojira wants Hollywood so badly that > his claws twitch. > Turn _him_ into a parthenogenetic, egg-laying 80-foot > gecko, will they? He'll show them parthenogenetic. > He'll parthenogenetic them into the Pacific Ocean, see > if he doesn't... You. Are. A. GENIUS. A GENIUS, I say! Moe -- I... I... God damn this stupid limited clumsy English language, it doesn't have the proper words!!! *applause* *applause* *APPLAUSE* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:13:43 -0800 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Too much time on my hands. Maurice Lane wrote: > Gojira > Ethereal Page of Duty This would be worth one of them laughter points on Pyramid (in fact, take one anyways if you want). I like. He should have a plush toy vessel, though. Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A Contender for Sloth Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:24:57 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN> A Contender for Sloth >While I was trying to put off doing my Psychology >paper, I came up with this contender for the ancient >Word of Sloth. What do you all think? >Thanks to Moe, Alex Liddell, and EDG for the >knowledge of how to write up a proper IN character, >even if I am only guessing some things like the >Songs (borrowed mostly from the write-up of redeemed >Mariel). :) >- ----------------------------------------- >Axtar >Djinn Baron of Fate >Demon of Stasis >Corporeal: 4- Strength: 15, Agility: 1 >Ethereal: 3- Intelligence: 11, Precision: 1 >Celestial: 6-Will: 16, Perception: 8 >Word Forces: 13 You know, I was about to try to find a polite way to point out that the max on characteristics is 12... until I got the joke. _Subtle_. All in all, interesting. I'm reminded of Ralph, DP of Apathy (found on the INC), but only slightly. So, what's this guy's Fate, anyway? :) Moe PS When the (bleep) did I become an example of "how to write up a proper IN character"? Is there a certificate? I want a certificate, darn it... ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Hatiphas > Seraph Warder Mistress of Law > Angel of Exorcism Once again, a triumph. I don't know how you do it, Moe. Beth, y'all need to hire this guy! 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine animals. - --- David Edelstein wrote: > James Walker wrote: > > Are people arguing that animals are not self-aware? > > Yes. > > > If So - then no, they cannot feel pain, suffer, or anything else. > > Incorrect. Self-awareness is not a requirement for having nerve > endings. Sounds like the difference of opinion here is the definition of self awareness. Animals are clearly aware of themselves as individuals -- they have feelings and motivations, as anyone who has ever owned a dog or cat can attest. What they lack is that level of abstract reasoning ability that allows humans to come up with stuff like, "I think, therefore I am." Animals are, and some of them think, but none of them think about thinking -- at least as far as we know. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Baka!! - --- "I. Inayat" wrote: > Iggy > Kyriotate of Creation IST to Dreams > Angel of Anime This is good stuff for a first effort. I really like the background on this character. I look forward to seeing more of your work. By the way, what does "baka" mean? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation - --- Laurent wrote: > > Transub doesn't create alive life, anyway, IIRC. > wow! I've got to write this one down... what, you mean like, dead > life?? > hehehe... just kidding. I'm still a bit confused, though, and I > didn't find > anything on Transub on the INC. As I understand it, Transubstantiation can create organic matter but not living things -- the latter function is the province of the Song of Life. Thus, Creationers can turn water into wine and can even produce loaves and fishes out of dust in the air, but they can't make living, breathing animals and plants. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:05:57 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:34:39 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Burn! Burn, foul minion of Evil! BURN! (Heretical) At 9:33 PM -0800 11/8/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >>Skills: Alchemy/1*, Dodge/5, Emote/4, Enchantment/1*, >[...] >>Items marked with a * are skills Hatiphas has no >>intention of ever, ever using again. >What's wrong with Enchantment? A recovering alcoholic doesn't dare drink beer, just because he or she always used to mostly drink scotch, and Hatiphas feels about as comfortable about playing with the mild stuff associated with sorcery. The only reason that she still has any skill at all was to help her recognize the various equipment and materials used in various rituals. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:06:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> You know... At 5:32 PM -0500 11/9/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >and teethes on her hands and WHINES> > >You know, that looks awfully like a post-and-run, despite the token >Dark Humor comment. Either be good (let's not get into an incompetancy >political flame, SHALL WE?) and don't do this -- or do it RIGHT. I don't think it's possible to look at this election in political terms, and certainly not in offensive terms. IN terms can work really well. However, I disagree with one of JT's central tenets. This isn't Dark Humor. Nor is it the Media. Dark Humor and the Media may have helped, but they're not behind it. This is the Game, pure and simple. Think of it. Right now, one candidate may win the electoral vote while the other wins the popular. Right there, there's the Game. Further, the ballots that were tossed in West Palm Beach were over a violation of the rules. The questionable ballots and potential disenfranchisment may not be legally actionable because all the rules were followed. The entire spirit of Democracy, the entire spirit of representation of the people by the people, has been subverted into a huge game -- where the rules clearly show massive problems that no one wanted or intended, but because the stakes are so high, no one can even do the thing any schoolyard gang knows to do when things aren't fair -- give up and try again, or play something else. Most importantly, those stakes themselves -- the presidency of the United States -- becomes nothing more than a prize to win, a banner to wave, bragging rights. There remains no mandate, no expression of the people's will... only the cynical Game, and no one's winning. No one on Earth, at least. See, Asmodeus needs to run external operations every now and again, just to remind the others that the Game is more than just some kind of security force. The Game is the obverse of the War, both fought by the same people, but where the War is passionate, deeply concerned about continuing the eternal struggle, the Game is nothing but ruminations on the theme of the contest, and no one can possibly win. The Game just is. As JT said, irregularities are being found left, right and center. All because people who tried to follow the spirit of the rules got caught up in the nitpicky details. This isn't a Republican or Democratic slam -- this is the process itself becoming more important than the spirit of the process, transcending politics in the name of politics itself. Nybbas is involved because it's a great -- humongous -- story, and getting tons of airplay and press. But he's pissed. He doesn't like having to retract on the air. It smells of accountability. Still, there's a lot of milage here, and it's slowing the Internet down something fierce as people cling to websites, looking for counties to be counted and gaps to close, seeing nothing new and getting nothing done, just like the country itself! Malphas is shocked and incredibly happy. The country is literally split down the middle, with almost exactly half the country voting one way, the other half voting the other, literally dividing themselves over -- astoundingly enough -- the Center. The Far Left Candidate drained the Center Left candidate's vote base enough to make it possible for the Center Right candidate to be elected. And factions and special interests all converge on a few little counties in a single state, and now everyone's beginning to take hard lines and cast blame, with everyone who has a political stake accusing everyone else of "politicizing" what is, in fact, a political process..... Lilith is just smiling. Who do you think swapped that full ballot box out for a box of supplies, anyhow? Let Freedom Ring, baby. Kobal *is* having a grand old time, loving every second and underscoring the sheerly ridiculous elements of all of this. And he's making up a spec script for a movie that will star John Travolta, Dennis Leary, Janine Garofalo and Ben Stiller as the hip young precinct worker. Nybbas loves it -- he's thinking Oscar. For set design, but what the Hell. And Haagenti? Haagenti loves this. While everyone's protesting in the State Capital, they're not at home to keep him from eating all their food. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:10:08 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Baka!! At 7:41 PM -0800 11/9/00, Michael Walton wrote: >--- "I. Inayat" wrote: >> Iggy >> Kyriotate of Creation IST to Dreams >> Angel of Anime > > This is good stuff for a first effort. I really like the background >on this character. I look forward to seeing more of your work. > By the way, what does "baka" mean? "Fool." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:34:57 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The TAO of Kronos (was Animals and Kronos's destiny) > David my simple opinion is that animals are self aware to an > extent and the idea they arn't is simple rationalization without > any benifit of logic or evidence. One could just as well say the opposite; there's certainly no evidence that most animals ARE self-aware. (I agree with Earl that the case for the great apes and possibly dolphins and a few others is somewhat stronger.) > The idea they do not reason, do not learn, do not feel pain or > do not have the potential to trust/hate is an insult to every > animal lover and the man who created the animals. I didn't say they don't reason, learn, feel pain, or feel trust/hate. I said they're not self-aware. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:38:02 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Balakite Thought At 8:12 AM -0800 11/08/00, Maurice Lane wrote: > ... and it's a nasty one. Leave [the] first two oaths as is. "You know, it's insane enough that it just might work!" > "Suffer not an evil to live, if it is my choice" [...] > Of course, this makes his Balakim quivering, tortured souls, desperately > hoping that Kronos will choose to release them on someone, anyone, soon... "This is different from the average Balseraph of Fate, how?" Honestly, the Liars of Kronos are the ones who must suffer their every moment of existance with the True Symphony playing as a subtle undertone to their own personal cachophony. To be within inches of the thing you most desire, yet unable to truly touch it, can be the worst sort of torture for the weak of will. About the only thing that keeps most of them from unravelling into their componant Forces is the ineffible power Kronos wields. His Serpents have long been pillars in Hell's society, and their daily affirmation of Fate furthers the dark master's plans. > but we knew he was a nasty piece of work anyway, right? Representing everything that is not Yves, Kronos is the doubt, rejection and uncertainity. However without his efforts, free-will could not fluorish. The ability to chose, is what elevates mankind above all others. It is also what drags them further into the pit than even the hideous Shedim of Cruelty. This is why Fate and Destiny are stalemating themselves on God's behalf. This is why the future cannot, must not, be revealed. Perhaps God wants humanity to replace him one day. . . > "Never surrender or allow myself to be captured by the forces of Lucifer." "He is above all that. He is an Angel serving his duty before God. He knows his place, even in the depths of Hell. He is not Hell's -slave-. He is its -master-, and there is nothing that can stop him. . ." . o (Short of Michael, but even then. . .) The Balakite would be serving Hell, and would never be truly surrendering to it. Some may even delude themselves into believing they are the secret rulers. All of this further's Kronos word, and expands his power. He smiles, that damnable smile of his, and you know that it pleases him. > Best of all, with the right other two oaths, it's kinda hard to tell from > their honor/dishonor levels whether they're Balakim! Same could be said of some Servitors of the War. Still, that pesky Check Digit of 6 will reveal the true nature of the Balseraph to any Malakim that resonate him. Though, some exceptions can be made based on upon the whims of the Games Operation Director (speak not his/her name). > No doubt I'm about to be proved wrong. :) Nah. Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinions, _wrong_ as they may be. . . };;;> At 7:23 PM +0000 11/08/00, prodigal@ticnet.com wrote: [...Balakite sneaking into Heaven...] > Time for me to read up on the Celestial Song of Form... Songs of Concealment, specifically the Celestial Song. Alas, it's only available to certain Princes (Asmodeus?, Janus? & Valefor). Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1916 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.