From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Nov 20 14:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29503 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:06:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA25948 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:02:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:02:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200011202002.OAA25948@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1930 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1930 In this digest: IN> Re: Difficulty getting something to gel IN> Zadkiel Seed IN> A little Something for the Holidays... Re: IN> Zadkiel Seed Re: IN> Cain Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor Re: IN> Re: Cain Re: IN> Re: Cain Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. IN> Plot Seed: Uh-oh... Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Re:IN> Plot Seed: Uh-oh... Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor Re: IN> A Servitor with No Real Economic Content Re: IN> The Angel of Communism (not a writeup) Re: IN> A little Something for the Holidays... Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Re: IN> The Angel of Sacrifice Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Re: IN> Zadkiel Seed Re: IN> Re: Cain Re: Abracadabra (was Re: IN> Selflessness vs. Selfishness) Re: IN> Re: Cain IN> The Gremlin of Misplaced Car Keys Re: IN> Re: Cain (Spoilers for "Midnight Nation") RE: IN> Re: Cain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:16:21 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Difficulty getting something to gel > Hey, has anyone done an Angel of Hymns/Sacred Music > yet? Archangel? I'm sure 400 other people will have posted this already (damn digests!) but . . . Song? At least, that would have been the obvious Superior, but your angel could have be reassigned when Song was Outcast with the rest of the Grigori. Or, if you don't want to deal with that, I'd suggest something strange like Lithroy, cus what are hymns for but _revealing_ the spirit of God. You could almost argue that Sacred Music is humanity's subconcious desire to hear or express the Symphony. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Zadkiel Seed The Archangel of Protection's in a mood to be proactive, this one time. There's a particularly annoying Calabite of Dark Humor out there who's been a moderate-to-serious annoyance for just a little bit too long: his last escapade (involving half a ton of bananas, a removed detour sign and a tour bus full of nuns) was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a lucky thing that some of her Servitors were there to prevent fatalities: best not to let it happen again. Now, this demon (Ferigblug by name), led his pursuers a merry chase before they were able to kill his vessel, but Zadkiel's got word that he's gotten out of Trauma. The Archangel sees no reason why he should get off so lucky this time. The Word is "terminate with extreme messiness" - and if the method of termination involves a banana or two, well, payback's a ... unpleasant-but-sometimes-deservedly-so sensation. Unfortunately, Ferigblug's not _quite_ nasty and powerful enough to get formal attention from Laurence's Order of the Eternal Sword, but Larry's let her have a couple of trackers anyway. Good training for the newbies. They'll certainly _act_ as if they're backed up by the rest of the Order, and they'll be wearing their special "Hi, I'm going to be soul-killing _somebody_ today. Are you somebody?" Order-sashes, so prudent demons will back off, whistling innocently. Between them and the Servitors of Protection, this shouldn't be too difficult. That's actually the real problem. Ferigblug hasn't been happy in his work, lately, and his last Prank was _also_ the straw that broke the camel's back. Screaming, banana-covered nuns weren't nearly as funny as he thought it'd be. In fact, they weren't funny at all. When Trauma hit, he took the opportunity to work out some things, and emerged with the realization that he was, frankly, an immature bastard who was working for a seriously disturbed master. Going Renegade was the next obvious step. Incidentally, he's now sporting the Selfless Discord (which is clashing horribly with his Angry one), so he's slightly confused most of the time. However, Ferigblug is sincerely seeking Redemption, and will have just contacted a random bunch of angels (wonder who?) and convinced them of his sincerity, just before the Sword-kiddies and banana-toting Shielders show up. It sounds kinda funny (well, it's supposed to), but Ferigblug's pursuers are kind of worked up by the time they catch up to him. The Swordies are going to be self-important, homicidal (but not too homicidal: they're all pretty new at this), and all proteges of a bunch of higher-ranked angels that you don't particularly want to annoy. They're also very attached to their (borrowed) swords. Hope nobody accidentally breaks a priceless artifact... The Shielders will be a bit more rational, but then they were the ones who had to miracle away a half ton of bananas, calm a bunch of hysterical nuns, and rotate twelve bus tires. _Someone's_ going to have to get tropical fruit lethally shoved up an orifice or two, or they won't feel any closure. Generally, this should end up with a couple of car chases, several scenes where the pentitent demon snarls for forgiveness, and, if you play it right, a nice little pie fight in a bakery (note that a little bit of Essence does wonders for improving something's velocity). Of course, if you can get a Superior on the phone, this problem will get shut down pretty fast. A shame that they're all in an emergency Council meeting, huh? ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:42:59 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> A little Something for the Holidays... I've been hearing more then a few bad things about the new "Grinch" movie... and quite frankly, I felt this was necessary... The Grinch Ethereal Soldier of the Wind Forces: Corporeal 4: Strength 9, Agility 7 Ethereal 3: Intelligence 7, Precision 5 Celestial 3: Will 6, Perception 6 Vessel: None yet. Skills: Climbing/2, Dodge/2, Emote/1, Fighting/1, Lying/1 Attunements: Passage (Wishes he was good enough to write this in Rhyme) He's a Mean One, and he's ticked off... Beyond the Vale of Dreams, within the Marches, there is a land called Seussland, where the lovable characters created by Dr Seuss dwell. Here, under the watchful eye of Servitors of Children and Dreams, The Cat in the Hat is neighbors with Daisy-Head Maisy and Horton the Elephant, Green Eggs and Ham is a special in the restaurants, and Mulberry Street is the main street of Whoville... ...and Whoville is precisly where this story begins, or more precisly in the mountain looming over Whoville, where The Grinch lives in relative solitude above the city below. Not that he's a misanthropic hermit anymore, mind you. He just likes his quiet time, in between visits to Whoville and daily tea with the Cat in the Hat. (they like to discuss Classical poetry). He's actually been pretty darned mellow since the end of his book, living in peace with the Whovillians. He just wants to live in peace and stay at home, and enjoy the upcoming Christmas, now his favorite Holiday... ...Or at least, that's he wanted until very recently, when he felt the tug and pull of Essence shifting within him, and he recognized the feeling instantly; In the Corporeal Realm, someone had made an adaptation of his story, shifting some elements. The first and last time this had happened, it wasn't all that unpleasent, and the only major change he'd suffered was gaining a rather deep and sophisticated voice, which he felt made him sound much better. ...But this time, he knew the change was not for the better... He could feel himself wanting to make stupid lines and toilet jokes, and other things not very Seuss-like... Something had gone horribly wrong with his story... He went to one of the Servitor of Dreams who watched over Seussland, and he was told of the horrible knews: his story had been grabbed by the Media, and twisted all out of whack, his character now played by Jim Carrey, who was more or less the opposite of Boris Karloff, the original Grinch actor... This made the Grinch angry. VERY angry. He demanded to know who he had to talk to to get this stopped.... ...And as Luck would have it, a Mercurian of the Wind was currently visiting that Servitor of Dreams (an old friend), and heard the Grinch's complaints. The Windy immediatly saw a chance to do some recruiting for his Archangel, and took the Ethereal aside. He told The Grinch about how Commercialized and Glitterized Christmas had become, thanks to Media and Gluttonny, and reminded the Seuss character that it was exactly that kind of Glitter that had made him dislike Christmas in the first place. The Grinch could only agree, and grew Livid at the horrible stories the Angel told him: Riots in Toy Stores, cheap TV gimmicks with a Christmas theme, even arguments on the very political correctness of the Christmas Holiday itself! Clearly, something had to be done... And that's what the Angel had in mind... He had more then a few contacts, and proposed The Grinch a plan, which he then proposed to his Archangel: With Heaven's The Grinch would Steal Christmas in Real Life as he had done in the book, which would force the people to look at the Holiday season as more then a marketing scheme or a cheap festival. At least, that's the general intention. How it might turn out... that's another thing entirely. Well, that's as much of the idea as I could think of... Any comments? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:53:01 -0800 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel Seed Our spies report that on 07:18 PM 11/19/00 -0800, Maurice Lane said: >However, >Ferigblug is sincerely seeking Redemption, and will >have just contacted a random bunch of angels (wonder >who?) and convinced them of his sincerity, just before >the Sword-kiddies and banana-toting Shielders show up. Excellent seed. However, you have made "Sword-kiddies" come to life in my mind and I'm scared. B0bb13l says "Ph34r my 1337 Fiery Sword! s0uL k1LLz0r u!" Anyone else worried? Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:27:33 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Cain Nice job, Moe. Just some minor comments: >Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 6 Agility: 10 >Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence:10 Precision: 10 >Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Shouldn't he have Toughness by now? And/or some equivalent of the Angry discord? >Skills: Dodge/3, Emote/6, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Lore >of the War/6, Lore of Relics/6, Lore of the Lost/6), >Languages (Just about all of them/3), Ranged Weapon/1 >(pistol), Savoir-Faire/1, Small Weapon/1 (knife) Don't forget Small Weapon/6 (rock). And why are all his Songs at level 1? >In Dark campaigns, however, he's a bum. Go to the >darkest corner of the darkest city on Earth, and there >Cain will be, futilely attempting to drink (or drug) >himself to death. Getting information will be easier >to arrange (bring a good supply of any drug), but >Cain's a malicious bastard on this setting, so be >prepared to get information that's misleading and >incomplete (although he's usually too cowardly to lie >outright). He'd still be a jealous, hateful bastard. Albeit a vegetarian one. I notice that Cain is older than most Celestials, including the entire choir of the Grigori (whom he'd likely have met). Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:45:55 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor At 4:16 PM -0800 11/18/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:07:09 -0500 >From: Whistling in the Dark >[Snip] >>Ow. Ow. Ow. >>Don't DO that! >>:) >>Moe >YES!I broke Moe! I broke Moe! Yay!- -- Naah, I'm still here. Deep hurting, but still here. I'm also imagining a female David (what _is_ the feminine version of the name, anyway?), which is making me chortle. Sort of Gaiaish, in that special way that ends up with evildoers having their entrails wrapped around a tree. :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Well, nobody wants to let _Novalis_ do any of that stuff... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:34:49 -0500From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain > Actually, since it *is* so tempting to steal a bit >from Gaiman, you might make the IN Cain not just >knowledgeable, but a self-appointed keeper of secrets >and mysteries, considering it his "Word". He'd be >considerably less depressed in this version, and >willing to deal with anyone... if you can find him. >The keeper is the biggest mystery of all. Neat variation. I had to resist mightily the temptation to rip Gaiman off completely (I left in the "Lucifer says no touch, so no touch", because it fit): luckily, elements of poverty kept me from ever buying Sandman, so I was able to stay strong. Hmmm... I actually _do_ have a job now, come to think of it. And, seeing as I can't actually buy any _new_ IN products (except for the calendar, and I fully expect to get at least three of those for Christmas), why, there's room in the budget... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:49:35 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:51:14 -0800 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain > Oh! And there, perhaps he died in the >Purity Crusade or (maybe better) was just >threatened? Perhaps that is why Uriel was recalled. >I find that to be an interesting idea. Imagine if >the Seraphim Council members not only couldn't >determine which of the common reasons for Uriel's >recall were valid, but indeed none of those common >theories were even close >to the real reason... _Nasty_. I like. Good rumor to have spreaded around. If I ever do a seed based on him, I'd like to use that (as well as the wandering Marches thing, obviously). :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:27:21 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:06:06 -0600From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. At 3:18 PM -0800 11/19/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >>And, if not, anyone got a good Superior suggestion >>for that one? Creationer IST the Sword or Fire >>works, of course, but I want something more >>esoteric. :) > Try using a Kyriotate of Animals. (But, for some >reason, maybe I'm channeling Obeath; AKA Hitherby.) Err... that may be a bit _too_ esoteric, unless bees happen to sing hymns that I don't know about. Care to explain? :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:03:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:37:14 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. >Faith or the Sword are my immediate thoughts. Destiny >would have an outside chance. Creation I don't >actually think is all that obvious, for a Word like >this one. It works, but I don't think it has a lock. Oh, I agree, which is why I didn't want to use Creation unless nothing else made sense. Faith or the Sword may be a little too sectarian, though (not in theory, but in actual practice). Hmm. Maybe Stone? Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:45:39 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Hey, has anyone done an Angel of Hymns/Sacred Music yet? And, if not, anyone got a good Superior suggestion for that one? Creationer IST the Sword or Fire works, of course, but I want something more esoteric. :) <<< Isn't there an Archangel of Song out there somewhere? She may be banished but she's still an Archangel and I could see her doing something to tweak the Council's nose, like promoting her own Word-Bound in spite of their ban on her. Otherwise, I might suggest Dreams, Destiny, or Faith. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:04:55 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. At 9:27 PM -0800 11/19/00, Maurice Lane wrote: [Use a Kyriotate of Animals] > Err... that may be a bit _too_ esoteric, unless bees to sing hymns that I > don't know about. Care to explain? :) Well, you wanted _Esoteric_. You obviously wanted something _creative_, without having to resort to the usual Creationer angel in service to someone else. As to why I'd pick a Kyriotate of Animals? Well, for some reason it just makes the most sense to me. I mean, there's obviously Songs in the animal world. A kyriotate is best suited at dealing with a whole chorus. Therefore, it just made the most sense. [Besides, as I said, I was prolly thinking of Hitherby from Fiat Justica, who went out of her/its way to create a hymn to inspire a 'thug' to see the true glory of Heaven. It made perfect sense for Hitherby to do it, so I think it would be interesting. . .] Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:57:16 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: IN> Plot Seed: Uh-oh... Remnants. Every celestial knows of Remnants: 'fallen' celestials, denied awareness of _any_ Symphony, condemned to a miserable existence on Earth. Most try to forget. A few try to help. But _this_ one may be a problem. Y'see, Remnants still cause disturbance in the Symphony. They're still alien to the Corporeal Symphony. Everybody knows this. It's just that... well, nobody told this one... Maybe some background... - --- He first showed up over a century ago, killing a Shedite of Fire. A particularly nasty one by all accounts, but still... Hell wrote it off as 'one of those things'. Or got paranoid. This time, the paranoid ones were right. Near the end of the First World War, he showed up _again_, and dissipated an Ethereal of War (an Ethereal created by the trauma and hurt of the soldiers and casualties in WW1). If Heaven noticed at the time, they were content to let him be; he was fighting for them, but obviously he didn't want to make contact. Hell noticed, though - Nightmares and the War had had _plans_ for that Ethereal... They checked. They compared records. They learned of Hell's earlier encounter. And they learned that this celestial (or ethereal; have to keep the possibilities open) first, didn't have a Role, and secondly... _wasn't causing disturbance_. He'd killed the Shedite's human soldier. Not a _note_ of disturbance. He'd caused massive collateral damage. Again, not a note of disturbance. But he _had_ to be a celestial. Who else could go thirty years without aging...? Which was when Hell started checking its records of Saints and undead, trying to find one that _fit_... The end of the Second World War. He pops up again, this time aiding the escape of a number of Ethereal refugees, caught in the middle of the war... ...and tried to escape himself. He couldn't. Nightmares was... intrigued. Saminga (or his lackeys, to be more precise) had been through his (admittedly incomplete) records of undead. Nope. Nothing that matched the description they had. Was it possible... ...they had an amnesiac Saint on their hands? Hell stepped up the effort. If Heaven wasn't going to bother, then... ...Heaven noticed. And started checking their records of Saints and undead. (This sounds like an unified effort. It wasn't. More... a 'pet project' for a few celestials on both sides. The demons had Nightmares' backing, however...) 1951. He crossed paths with... a particularly _apocalyptic_ sect of Gamesters, a sect that... focused... on playing the Great Game. The manipulation of entire countries. Without celestial intervention. And, like any Gamester, they had focused on the Game to the exclusion of all else. But... they'd got bored with it. And called for an Endgame. Victory occured with the annihilation of one side or the other. The fact that this would bring about Armageddon was seen as 'incidental'. All quite illegal, of course. Asmodeus was *quite* clear about that afterwards. But... he defeated them. And three Gamesters were soul-killed. The _surviving_ Gamester reported that... ...she'd met this celestial before. A few times, now her Dread Lord asked. No, she hadn't noticed the lack of disturbance, now he asked... Asmodeus checked his records. Learned of Nightmares' and Fire's encounter with this... Saint... And started getting suspicious. His servant had reported truth (he'd made *quite* certain of that). Yet, if that was the case... ...how was this celestial able to act without so much as rippling the Symphony? Shortly afterwards, Heaven found out, too. Went through the same motions as Hell... ...and came to the same conclusion. It was about _then_ both sides realised they had a problem on their hands. - --- Now... ...there's a small and minor cult which claims that Cain still walks the Earth, and prepares for the End of Days (which handily ignores several pieces of evidence, but when has _that_ ever stopped a good cult?) ...and Heaven and Hell are faced with a mystery. A Remnant who seems to break all the rules. Who can act in the Symphony, hurt the humans, even kill them, without a Role, without a single note of disturbance. Without even so much as an artifact to mask it. The Remnant's just shown up again. He seems to be waiting for something. Guess who gets called in to investigate? - --- (Background _is_ a bit too complex. Adapted it straight from source. Sorry.about that... Hope it's interesting, though...) Imran ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:17:33 -0600 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. Maurice Lane wrote: > > Hey, has anyone done an Angel of Hymns/Sacred Music > yet? I haven't seen it. > And, if not, anyone got a good Superior suggestion for > that one? Creationer IST the Sword or Fire works, of > course, but I want something more esoteric. :) Song. Matt Trent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:36:19 -0500 From: Ben Pollack Subject: Re:IN> Plot Seed: Uh-oh... Original message from: "I. Inayat" >Y'see, Remnants still cause disturbance in the Symphony. They're still alien >to the Corporeal Symphony. As per CPG, though, this ain't so. Remnants only disturb the Symphony with 'conscious Essence expenditures' (p. 93). Presumably, then, a Remnant who is using only raw physical force could smear a human without so much as a note of disturbance. I didn't read far enough to determine if this made your plot seed unworkable, but I'll do so now. :) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:36:30 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor [snip entrails-around-tree thing] > Morgan (SAW) > Kyriotate of Destiny > Petitioner for the Word of Well, nobody wants to let > _Novalis_ do any of that stuff... We've already got two female Archangels for handling violence. If you want restrained-yet-does-whatever-necessary type violence, there's Zadkiel. If you want SMITE-SMITE-SMITE-DIE-YOU-ABOMINATION! type violence, there's Gabby. *g* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:32:51 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: An Affair of Honor Maurice Lane wrote: > I'm also imagining a female David (what _is_ the > feminine version of the name, anyway?), which is > making me chortle. Oddly enough, I'm having a harder time envisioning a feminine vessel for David than I do for Michael. Michael is easy: think Joan of Arc (who had visions of Michael, by the way). David? Um... Brunhilda? Gaea in her cranky, un-Novalis-like aspect? By the way, the only feminine form of "David" that I know is "Davida." Earl (Davidine? Davette? ...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:40:34 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> A Servitor with No Real Economic Content Fun character. Chalk up another one for Moe. Of course, as a matter of surival, this particular balseraph can't afford to delude himself very much, so he'll be a balseraph that almost never uses his band resonnance. For that matter, knowing the TRUTH of what's going on in the "asylum" would be very helpful. And he isn't all that nasty to begin with. And he probably has a better than average chance of getting to his Heart, if he ever decided to run for it. So you probably already see that I'm building up to "Sparky Defects" as an adventure seed. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:20:25 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Communism (not a writeup) I would expect the Angel of Communism got its start back in Classical antiquity, with the first formations of religious communities. If Worded, it probably got its Word during the Middle Ages, when monasteries -- each a communist community embedded in a larger feudalist/capitalist community -- were a powerful movement. Undoubtedly, it has had a very up-and-down time of it, the last 150 years, and is now trying to re-group. It may still get Word-support from socialist movements and features in non-communist nations, and it probably looks with nostalgic fondness on the few surviving religious communist societies, left over from the great flowering of social experimentation in early 19th-century America. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:36:20 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> A little Something for the Holidays... Just as a general observation, Christmas affords a good look at mythology in action. I've read, in Gilbert Murray's "Greek Religion," that many myth figures _arose_ from the holiday that seems to be dedicated to them. (I find this unsatisfactory -- why did they have a holiday in the first place? -- but it seems to be part of the cycle.) Thus, you start with a Mardi-Gras-like festival of wine and Dionysios crops up to personify it. Likewise, you have Christmas, and Santa crops up to personify it, latching on to a historical saint for a few starting details, thorougly ignoring the original theological purpose of the festival, and rapidly acquiring features from all quarters. You get the reindeer from some leftover bits of Norse myth. You get the sneaking placement of gifts from the original Saint Nicholas legend, as do the stockings. It all gets hammered together in one very popular poem. Next, the poem acts as a nucleus around which more features accumulate. Santa acquires his own realm -- the Norh Pole -- and a shadowy consort, Mrs. Claus, and a retinue of retainers, the elves. Then we begin to spin off subsidiary figures. Rudolf the Red-Nose Reindeer was the first major one, I think. The Grinch appears to be the most recent. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:30:52 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. From: "Maurice Lane" > Hey, has anyone done an Angel of Hymns/Sacred Music > yet? > > And, if not, anyone got a good Superior suggestion for > that one? Creationer IST the Sword or Fire works, of > course, but I want something more esoteric. :) Creation IST Faith. Gotta be. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:33:59 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Sacrifice From: "Charles E Smith" > > Constance > Kyriotate Master of Protection > Angel of Sacrifice If I ever get another IN game running, consider this one so UTTERLY stolen! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:42:09 -0700 From: "paris" Subject: Re: IN> Difficulty getting something to gel. > > And, if not, anyone got a good Superior suggestion for > > that one? Creationer IST the Sword or Fire works, of > > course, but I want something more esoteric. :) > > Creation IST Faith. Gotta be. :) Faith IST Creation drifting back to Faith. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:57:58 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel Seed From: "Sean McCarthy" > Our spies report that on 07:18 PM 11/19/00 -0800, Maurice Lane said: > > >who?) and convinced them of his sincerity, just before > >the Sword-kiddies and banana-toting Shielders show up. > > Excellent seed. However, you have made "Sword-kiddies" come to life in my > mind and I'm scared. > > Anyone else worried? At the thought of a bunch of X-Babies type Sword servitors? Who wouldn't be? ;) Super-Deformed In Nomine? *shiver* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:12:29 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain From: "Maurice Lane" > > _Nasty_. I like. Good rumor to have spreaded around. > If I ever do a seed based on him, I'd like to use that > (as well as the wandering Marches thing, obviously). This dovetails nicely with an idea I had recntly, after reading the latest issue of "Midnight Nation" (the latest comic title by the same guy who created Babylon 5.) I'll put spoiler space in for those who are reading it, but haven't gotten to issue #3 yet... One of the characters in the book is Lazarus. Not as in "named after," but the actual Lazarus from the bible. He tells the main character that after Jesus raised him from the dead, he was told "Wait for me, until I come for you again." Lazarus has spent the past 2000 or so years wandering the Earth, and whenever someone tries to kill him, an angel with a flaming sword appears to protect him, killing any of Lazarus' attackers who don't have the good sense to run away. I don't have the time to write up Lazarus or his guardian(s) at the moment, but I would be interested in what superior the group would feel was best for the angel in charge of Lazarus' defense. I was thinking Malakite of Purity IST Protection, but am open to other ideas. Your thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:13:56 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: Abracadabra (was Re: IN> Selflessness vs. Selfishness) Jason F. McBrayer wrote: > Presumably the law of conservation of mass-energy is a special > case of the law of conservation of mass-energy-essence (or mass- > energy-disturbance), which Jean considers humans insufficiently > advanced to have access to. I wouldn't bother to make the conservation law that absolute. In classical physics, energy conservation is only a consequence of all (known, natural) force fields having a given degree and kind of symmetry. In quantum mechanics, energy conservation gets compromised by the famous Uncertainty Principle. In general relativity, it gets compromised in other ways, whenever you can't fully map a region of space in intertial frames. So it probably looks pretty ... parochial, quaint, local ... from the scientific viewpoint Jean enjoys from having been allowed to peek at the answers at the back of the Book of Nature. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:18:54 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain I'd make the angel a cherub, since its function is to guard. As for the Archangel, Yves, Destiny springs first to mind, since it's sort of enforcing a prophecy. Zadkiel, Protection is also a natural. Azrael, Death, makes a kind of backward sense. The implied validation of Christian theology further implies changes to the setting, like those outlined in the GM's Guide, in the section on world religions. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:43:10 NZDT From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> The Gremlin of Misplaced Car Keys This guy makes it all worth while I feel. Larson Gremlin of Dark Humour The Gremlin of Misplaced Car Keys Corp Forces: 2 Str: 1 Agi: 7 Ethereal Forces: 2 Int: 3 Pre: 5 Celestial Forces: 1 Will: 1 Per: 3 Vessal/1 - Whatever Kobal sees fit at the time Skills: Pickpocketing/2, Escape/2, Hiding/2, Knowledge(hiding places for keys)/2 Songs: Ethereal Form/2, Ethereal Motion/2 Attunements: The Gremlin of Misplaced Car Keys As the Gremlin of Misplaced Car Keys, Larson can sense at what point making car keys vanish would really upset the victim. He can also expend 2 Essence to "Swipe" car keys that are left unattended. History: Larson was your average Gremlin, he wasn't called Larson then. Kicked about and spat upon by pretty much everyone out there. Given the really crummy jobs that Demons just didn't want to do. After spending 300 years washing out the toilets in Haagenti's restaurants, cleaning the rooms in the bordello and acting as a prop up for a roulette table in Shal Mari he decided that enough was enough. Larson packed up his affairs (a marble and a sock) and headed out into The Marches. The demons at the gates of Hades didn't even give him a second look, although they did plant a hoof in his rear end for posterity! Larson wandered Beleth's side of The Marches for a time, peering into the nightmares of mortals and watching them agonise over little things. The lost car keys, the broken ornament, the stain on the rug. In the back of his little mind a spark of distain formed for these animals. Up until now, Larson had thought that humans were just the other kind of entity in Hell. Now he began to realise the reason they were there - because they were to pathetic to keep working on earth. He put down his marble and sat with his sock on his tail to watch the nightmares unfold. Each time a Dreamscape would float by with one of these dreams he would shake with laughter and try to get inside the Dreamscape in order to make the nightmare worse. He couldn't of course, but he did attract the attention of someone. Lucifer just happened, either for interest or boredom, to be watching this little wretch enjoying himself in the realm of Nightmares. He swooped down on leather wings and landed beside the Gremlin who was still quiverring with laughter. Larson ignored the Balseraph for a while until Lucifer spoke. "Little one, what are you doing out here?" Larson looked upon Lucifer and didn't get a chance to respond, for his little Gremlin heart gave up on him as he saw the First of the Fallen. Lucifer reached down and stopped the Gremlin from expiring. "I usually grant requests to those I meet in person. So what is it that I can do for you?" Larson swallowed hard and looked again at the dreamscape. "I wanna keep you in business boss. Look at these things, if they can get all bent out of shape over the small stuff, just imagine what chaos we could cause with a real disaster!" Lucifer chuckled darkly. "Sometimes, a huge disaster causes them to band together and fight for a cause. They become unified and strengthened. These small incidents cause far more devastation than you could imagine." Lucifer placed him on the ground and began to leave. "Go ahead and make them suffer Larson. Go ahead and make them pay." With a whoosh he was gone and Larson, finally knew his own name.... and his purpose. Through and through. Kobal, who received the Wordbound Gremlin by proxy, still hasn't stopped laughing. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:52:54 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cain (Spoilers for "Midnight Nation") From: "Earl Wajenberg" > I'd make the angel a cherub, since its function is to guard. > As for the Archangel, Yves, Destiny springs first to mind, since > it's sort of enforcing a prophecy. Zadkiel, Protection is also > a natural. Azrael, Death, makes a kind of backward sense. > > The implied validation of Christian theology further implies > changes to the setting, like those outlined in the GM's Guide, > in the section on world religions. I like the idea of Destiny a LOT. Thank you for the suggestion! And it doesn't necessarily have validate Christian theology as much as you might think, because Lazaruus mentions that he was told "Wait for me until I return" just before the Last Supper. There's any number of ways a GM could run with how this could play out. :::) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:50:10 -0600 From: Christopher Gerkey Subject: RE: IN> Re: Cain > From: Prodigal [mailto:prodigal@ticnet.com] > > I'll put spoiler space in for those who are reading it, but > haven't gotten > to issue #3 yet... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the characters in the book is Lazarus. Not as in > "named after," but > the actual Lazarus from the bible. He tells the main > character that after > Jesus raised him from the dead, he was told "Wait for me, > until I come for > you again." Lazarus has spent the past 2000 or so years > wandering the Earth, > and whenever someone tries to kill him, an angel with a flaming sword > appears to protect him, killing any of Lazarus' attackers who > don't have the > good sense to run away. Interesting. The main villain from Bill Willingham's "Elementals" comic was Lazarus-unable-to-die as well. Although he probably could have eaten an angel with a flaming sword for breakfast. ^_^ Topher ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1930 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.