From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Nov 29 11:00:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17535 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:00:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA00059 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:59:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:59:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200011291659.KAA00059@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1948 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1948 In this digest: Re: IN> Dr. Who Re: IN> In Nomine World of Darkness part 2 Re: IN> Good Omens In IN Re: RE : IN> Montreal Info Re: IN> Dr. Who IN> Need more Tethers and advice (was Need a Kronos Tether) IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef Re: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef Re: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef Re: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef Re: IN> Good Omens In IN Re: IN> Lil' the queen o' hell... IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated Re: RE IN> LIL Seed Re: IN> Whose Who in Heaven and Hell (Whomur) Re: RE IN> LIL Seed Re: IN> Superiors 5 Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated IN> LIL: SEED REVISED IN> Canon NSA Headquarters is a Vapulan tether IN> Re: canon NSA Headquarters is Vapulan tether Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:56:43 +0000 From: Pak Chan Subject: Re: IN> Dr. Who At 12:39 28/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Dash it all! I forgot the Sonic Screwdriver! > >Anyway I prefer the 12 vessels and trauma to the Song of Regeneration truly >but you did an excellent job with both aspects of Dr. Who's character. Thanks. I just thought that since there was the possibility of more than 12 vessels, it would be neater to just let the laws of probability take care of it... >As for the Doctor having a Song of Fruitation, I wanted to acknowledge he >had a granddaughter but that may just be the old fashioned "Superior helping >two young lovebirds", the Doctor adopting some poor child who had a child >(maybe a time lord herself), or simply the GrandDaughter aspect being the >adoption work of it better to be socially less noticible than daughter when >your in your 70s in appearence (and your without a wife). I'd forgotten about that. However, I don't really see Susan as being his real granddaughter, more like an orphan he took in, a theory I seem to remember the Dr. Who books backing up. >Also given the fact at some point he MIGHT HAVE a romance with a female and >a child then send her back you never know. Scary! Romana, Romana, where art thou Romana... (With apologies to William Shakespeare.) >-Charlemagne Pak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:56:03 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine World of Darkness part 2 >I also hereby declare that we should all endevour to create the largest >silliest conversion as possible, combining as many RPGs as we can think of >until we have Abberent/Nightbane/Robotech/Star Wars/Nobilis/Teenagers From >Outer Space/HOL/WOD/Heroes Unlimited/Shadowrun/Sailor Moon/Macho Women With >Guns/Demon City Shinjuku/Street Fighter/Trinity/Brave New World/etc/In >Nomine. The more inconsistencies the better, contradictions are >marvellous, >multiple versions of the same class...more fun I say. In a world where >angels and demons walk amongst us, the nightbane have awakened to help the >Mecha Pilots ward off the infiltrating Zentradii and take part in the world >warriors tournament.... Where gold dragons become soldier Villians & Vigilantes, carbon plague is running rampant, Wastems are the only source of food and Laurence's Jedi are ready to combat the Green Things from Outer Space? Sweet!! - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:12:48 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Good Omens In IN >I'm assuming a goodly number here have read it, and >don't need the plot explained. >Here are my thoughts. > >Aziriphale sounds like a Mercurian, maybe, mostly due >to his sympathy with humanity. According to the book, >he's technically a Principality, but none of the IN >Choirs have that term attached. You'll pardon me for not having read Good Omens in many years but . . . Yes, actually, the Principalities would be the Mercurians, so far as I can tell. He could also be a >Kyriotate, given that display of possession he did >after he lost his physical form, and before Adam gave >him a body again. But Kyriotates can't have permanent >Vessles, and Aziriphale obviously did, for a long >time. definito >Dunno which AA would be his Superior, though. Eli >seems to fit best, given both Aziriphale's ability to >create stuff, and the fact that Eli would sympathize >with Aziriphale's love of the world. I dunno enough >about the mechanics to say how you would simulate his >powers. beats me, I'd need to read Good Omens again >Crowley's Band is very hard to pin down. I can think >of two that really fit: Lilim, Cabalite, and Shedite. >I could see Lilim, cause Crowley seems to be primarily >engaged in temptation, convincing humans to Do Bad >Stuff. OTOH, nothing he does could translate to laying >a Geas on anyone. Cabalite I can see cause of the way >he seems to enjoy spreading chaos and confusion. >"Tying up every cellular phone in Central London" >seems a very good example of making things break down. >But, he's really very neat and tidy personally. >Doesn't like broken things. Look at how he treats his >Bently. Finally, I can see Shedite, again cause he >corrupts people. But, he doesn't do the possession >thing. Then clearly not a Shedite. Impudite perhaps? Does he ever kill a human? He clearly has a Vessle, one he sticks to, and >isn't just possessing a random human. So, Crowley >doesn't really fit into any Band really well. In any >case, I'd say he's right on the border of Redeeming, >as he seems pretty darn pleasant. Impudites are pretty darn pleasant . . . charming, in fact. And he's definitely >a Renegade during the time leading up to Armageddon. >Although he seems to have been taken back into the >fold afterwards. >Crowley's Superior is also tricky. I'd say Kobal, just >cause Crowley's sense of humor seems to mimic Kobal's. >Except for the willingness to cause bodily harm, of >course... But the willingness to do bodily harm might be explained by his Impudite nature . . . >As to other characters: Adam seems like he could be a >Superior on his own. But he doesn't seem to be either >an Archangle or a Demon Prince, given that he refused >both Heaven and Hell. A Lord of The Earth, perhaps? >Heck, he might even be a being on the same level as >Lucifer, since he certainly seemed able to defeat Lucy >when he was showing up. As to what his Word would be: >probably Humanity. As Crowley said "a Human >incarnate." Perhaps an incarnation of God, just as Christ was (noncanon). - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:12:56 -0500 From: Michel =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9langer?= Subject: Re: RE : IN> Montreal Info > Angelic Tether : > Laurence : "Oratoire St-Joseph". It's a big cathedral on the > side of Royal-Mount The Oratoire is a nice place, built by Frère André Bessette (1845-1936), a healer and holy man. It is the site of many miraculous healing, and there is a display of dozens of crutches and canes left there by those who where healed. André could be used as a Saint if you need one. He's described at the Catholic Online Saint site at http://www.catholic.org/saints/stsindex.html Also on display at the Oratoire, the preserved heart of Frère André that is kept as a relic. Since the heart was stolen and later recovered, it can serve as a small Tether to Valefor. The Notre-Dame Basilica is another possible Tether of Lawrence. Located in old Montreal, it is one of the most beautiful and famous churches in Canada. The couple of fires that it suffered over the centuries could be considered as attacks by Belial to destroy it. There might be others. Montreal is renowned the large number of churches, and was nicknamed the City of One Thousand Steeples. > Novalis : "Jardin Botanique". A really big garden, neighbor of > the Olympic Stadium Also, the garden was created by a monk who could have been a soldier of Novalis. (Incidentally, Pierre Bourque, the current mayor of Montreal is a former director of the Garden.). There are several other large parks on the Island, the most notable being on Mont-Royal. Also the room at Hotel Reine Elisabeth where John Lennon staged his 1969 bed-in. "Give peace a chance" was recorded there. > Jordi : "Biodome". A little zoo in a building. The building > is separate in 4 sections each one of them represent a different > ecosystem (From tropical to antartic) Interesting thing, it's also a > neighbor of the olympic stadium. (In my game these 2 tethers work very > hard together) > Dominic : Big surprise, i put his tether in the "Palais de > Justice" :) Other angelic Tethers Blandine: the Cirque du Soleil headquarters, where the troops new productions are designed and prepared. Jean or David: Notre-Dame island, built by human engineers to host the 1967 international exhibition. Tons of earth and rock from the subway excavation where used to build the artificial island. Actually, Michael: the site of the battle of Châteauguay, South of Montreal, where Canadian troops turned back an invading American army during the War of 1812. Yves: While there are several good large library, I would choose the small library specializing in medieval studies. It's located inside a Dominican monastery. (I haven't been there in years, there was a very special atmosphere in that place) > Demonic Tether > Belial : At the east of the city their is a lot of gaz refinery. > Furfur : "Foufoune Electrique" it's an underground bar. (A > really good one !! ) > Kobal : If you want you can put one in the olympic stadium. So > many problem to build, the roof's saga, etc... finally the Big 'O' is a > real bad joke. 25 years after and the goverment have not finish paying > it. The Big O is a major Tether to Kobal. It's been a bad joke from the beginning, with massive corruption problems during it's construction, it was not ready for the opening ceremonies of the '76 games, it was only completed nearly a decade latter with the arrival of the retractable kevlar roof. A big ORANGE roof. Then stadium started to come apart and the roof had to be changed… And there is this whole Expos fiasco… Other demonic sites Malphas: the golf course/native burial ground that started the Oka indian crisis in 1990 makes a nice Tether. Beleth or Vapula could have one at Douglas Hospital, Quebec's largest psychiatric hospital. It can pretty spooky place, with several old pavilions linked together by dark underground passages. It is also the site of the largest brain tissue storage facility in Canada. Another Vapulan Tether: the Université de Montréal labs where the British equivalent of the Manhattan project was conducted during WWII. Haagenti: the really huge grain elevators in the port. Mammon: the Montreal Casino is the obvious choice. Kronos: The Montreal Municipal archives, located in massive vaults in the basement of City Hall (actually they start there and spread under the gardens that surround the building). Nybbas: The CBC / SRC tower, a whole neighborhood was destroyed to build the headquarters of Canada's national broadcasting company. Saminga: The classrooms where the infamous École Polytechnique Massacre took place. (That one is on the campus of the Université de Montréal). Alaemon could have a Tether on the site of the Indian village of Hochelaga. The secret thing here is that while we know it existed from the journals of explorer Jacques Cartier, it's exact location is unknown, it could be anywhere on the Island. The fate of it's inhabitants, who vanished from the region between 1536 and 1608 is also unknown. (I use the basement of a downtown skyscraper for the Tether). Other stuff White Wolf did a Montreal by Night for VtM that might be of interest to you. Hope this helps :) Michel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:04:43 +0000 From: Pak Chan Subject: Re: IN> Dr. Who At 07:36 28/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >--On Tuesday, November 28, 2000 10:16 AM +0000 Pak Chan > wrote: > >>>Songs: * Song of Attraction (Corporeal 1/, Ethereal 4/, Celestial >>>3/), Song of Charm (Corporeal 1, Ethereal 2/, Celestial 4/), Song >>>of Fruitation >> >>Not sure why he would have the Song of Fruitation...I don't >>remember him fathering anyone? > > You're thinking of the song of *fruition*. Err, yes. That would be the beastie. Haven't played or run a game of IN in such a long time... > The Corporeal Song of >*Fruitation* produces a number of bowls of a certain breakfast cereal, to >a maximum of the song's level times the check digit. > > Try not to think about the Ethereal version. I dare you. OK. I, err, hmmmm. We're talking a song that makes nutty songs go through your head incessantly, aren't we? Nutty, advertising jingles that you JUST CAN'T GET RID OF!!! Aaarrrgghhh! >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation >("Follow your nose.") Pak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:18:53 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: IN> Need more Tethers and advice (was Need a Kronos Tether) David Streeter wrote: > I had cause to create a Kronos Tether recently. hmmm... any maps or NPCs I could steal from you? > Centrelink is an Australian Government organisation > that is supposed to help the unemployed find work Oh, that type of place. I would need something a bit more... hem... Time related, really. Mary wrote: >>> As a member of the Museum of Natural History, I would like to propose that its either a Tether for Destiny or Creation. The Rose Center is wonderful, very creative and visually stimulating..and they have jazz every week or so. <<< Fair enough, I wouldn't mind a Tether for Creation in my game, so I'll go for it. Oh, by the way, I'd also need a Tether for Greed. A pretty big corporative building. High security would be a plus. Any ideas? And as for the Judgement Tether, what's the most important law court in New York? Would anybody have a Judgement Triad I can borrow? Last thing: my bad guy will be a Captain of Greed, and he'll have many demons working for him. I'm not sure how to roleplay a powerful Servitor of Mammon in charge with a kidnapping. He'll be facing the players at some point, and I don't know what types of powers he should use. Any advice is much appreciated. Thanks, Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:16:50 -0000 From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef Righty ho, i'm gonna have to respond to this one. But 1st a question, is Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef a real person? as in a real relegious icon. If so then i'm proly gonna get taken off from the list for saying this, but well, i think that i i do then you will be too. I'm not to hot on the worlds currenyt relegious leaders, hence my previous question, but if the Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef is a real person i think this is one of the most stupeed things ever entered on to the list, i read it's title, and stopped there. Sorry this is a game. Do Not Include Real folks who will no doubt find out out and call some kinda jyhad on you. Your multiple post's in the last few days have got my goat, like it did several others who responed in kind. Yes this is totally off topic and i appologise if offends folks, but i just got narked. All apologies also if it isnt a real person, but from the intro of your mail it seemed as it was based on a real person. *hands beth a bunch o flowers incase it was totally uncalled for but a few other folks might resp[ond like this* Nick Sands www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber icq: 60645575 _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:57:09 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef This is NOT to the Best of my knowlege a Real person. I could be wrong he could exist, SOMEWHERE, but if he does I have not klew. For the sake of the Question the Answer is NO. Bradley Paranial _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:57:33 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef This is NOT to the Best of my knowlege a Real person. I could be wrong he could exist, SOMEWHERE, but if he does I have not klew. For the sake of the Question the Answer is NO. Bradley Paranial _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:32:51 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> RE: Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef nick sands wrote: > But 1st a question, is Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef a real person? as in a real> relegious icon. Well, you should probably answer your own question before flinging accusations. An Internet search doesn't show a "Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef," though it does show several similar names involved in the Zionist movement, so Ariel Ben Yosef is probably a composite of real people. >>>Sorry this is a game. Do Not Include Real folks who will no doubt find out out and call some kinda jyhad on you.<<< Even if there is a real Rabbi Ariel Ben Yosef in the Zionist movement, I hardly think very many Zionists read In Nomine-l and are likely to hunt down adolescents who write them up as demons. I didn't think the write-up was particularly offensive; just very dull and predictable. ("Elohite goes nuts because of the Holocaust, becomes a Zionist Habbalite. Yawn.") - -David (actually, I'm more offended by a lack of spelling, punctuation and grammar) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:34:33 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Pedersen Subject: Re: IN> Good Omens In IN - --- Perry Lloyd wrote: [snip] > >Aziriphale sounds like a Mercurian, maybe, mostly > due > >to his sympathy with humanity. According to the > book, > >he's technically a Principality, but none of the IN > >Choirs have that term attached. > > You'll pardon me for not having read Good Omens in > many years but . . . > > Yes, actually, the Principalities would be the > Mercurians, so far as I can > tell. Ah, I see. Thanks. [snip] > >Crowley's Band is very hard to pin down. I can > think > >of two that really fit: Lilim, Cabalite, and > Shedite. > >I could see Lilim, cause Crowley seems to be > primarily > >engaged in temptation, convincing humans to Do Bad > >Stuff. OTOH, nothing he does could translate to > laying > >a Geas on anyone. Cabalite I can see cause of the > way > >he seems to enjoy spreading chaos and confusion. > >"Tying up every cellular phone in Central London" > >seems a very good example of making things break > down. > >But, he's really very neat and tidy personally. > >Doesn't like broken things. Look at how he treats > his > >Bently. Finally, I can see Shedite, again cause he > >corrupts people. But, he doesn't do the possession > >thing. > > Then clearly not a Shedite. Impudite perhaps? Does > he ever kill a human? Actually, no. In fact, he goes out of his way _not_ to, at one point. > He clearly has a Vessle, one he sticks to, and > >isn't just possessing a random human. So, Crowley > >doesn't really fit into any Band really well. In > any > >case, I'd say he's right on the border of > Redeeming, > >as he seems pretty darn pleasant. > > Impudites are pretty darn pleasant . . . charming, > in fact. I dunno... I don't think Crowley was actually _charming_. He was more pleasant as in "Doesn't like doing really bad stuff to people." > And he's definitely > >a Renegade during the time leading up to > Armageddon. > >Although he seems to have been taken back into the > >fold afterwards. > >Crowley's Superior is also tricky. I'd say Kobal, > just > >cause Crowley's sense of humor seems to mimic > Kobal's. > >Except for the willingness to cause bodily harm, of > >course... > > But the willingness to do bodily harm might be > explained by his Impudite > nature . . . Oops... Meant that _Kobal_ was willing to do bodily harm, _Crowley_ wasn't. > >As to other characters: Adam seems like he could be > a > >Superior on his own. But he doesn't seem to be > either > >an Archangle or a Demon Prince, given that he > refused > >both Heaven and Hell. A Lord of The Earth, perhaps? > >Heck, he might even be a being on the same level as > >Lucifer, since he certainly seemed able to defeat > Lucy > >when he was showing up. As to what his Word would > be: > >probably Humanity. As Crowley said "a Human > >incarnate." > > Perhaps an incarnation of God, just as Christ was > (noncanon). Eh. I don't think so. Adam was portrayed as an independent being, with his own powers. Course, he might have been God, and just not known it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:53:26 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Lil' the queen o' hell... At 11:28 PM -0600 11/28/00, Robert Behrman wrote: > >P.S.: I joined the list 3 days ago, and this is my first post, so if people >resolved this conflict before I got near it please tell me. This all grew out of a discussion on what would happen if Lucifer died. I took one of the scenarios and ran with it. If you check the digest logs for the past couple of weeks, you should find it without too much trouble. The justification for the effect goes back to *why* Lucifer can grant infernal Words. The reason is CDaU, but one theory is that as the First, most powerful Balseraph, Lucifer is literally resonating the Symphony itself, convincing it that the Word-bound has his Word. If that or something similar *is* true, then following the destruction of Lucifer's personal Symphony, it makes sense that the changed he imposed on the Symphony are slowly being corrected. It just happens to be killing the Word-bound demons. >P.P.S.: The only people I could imagine being fundamental to the existence >of Heaven or Hell are Kronos and Yves. I agree (though Kronos appeared *in* Hell quite late). You'll note Kronos was unaffected by Lucifer's death, and appears instrumental in Lilith gaining the ability to grant Words. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:59:36 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated There seems to be some interest in this, so: Background: The Myers-Briggs system of personality classification was developed by a mother-daughter team of Jungian psychoanalysts, based on Jung's own classifications. It gives a four-letter code to each of sixteen possible personality types. Very, VERY briefly, the code works as follows: First letter: I (Introvert) or E (Extrovert) Introverts find social contact to be an effort, even when pleasant. Extroverts find isolation to be an effort, even when pleasant. Second letter: S (Sensible) or N (iNtuitive) S-types are more interested in the immediate and concrete. N-types are more interested in ideas, fantasies, and abstractions. Third letter: F (Feeling) or T (Thinking) F-types are more interested in emotions and personal considerations, T-types in logic and practicality. Fourth letter: J (Judging) or P (Processing) J-types want to reach goals, making decisions. P-types want to do stuff, and keep on doing. The Kiersey-Bates refinement groups the sixteen Myers-Briggs types into four groups of four, which match to the old medieval classification of people by "humours": xSxJ types are "Melancholics," whose main motivation is duty (or, for devils, let's say "goals"). xSxP types are "Sanguines," whose main motivation is action. Melancholics tend to regard Sanguines as irresponsible. Sanguines tend to regard Melancholics as stuffy. xNTx types are "Phlegmatics," whose main motivation is understanding. xNFx types are "Cholerics," whose main motivation is emotion. Phlegmatics tend to regard Cholerics as witless. Cholerics tend to regard Phlegmatics as heartless. Now for the actual In Nomine content. Here are my impressions of the characters of the Superiors, for folks to wrangle over and dispute: Blandine: INFJ - introverted, dutiful, centered on feeling (choleric) David: ESTJ - extroverted, rationalistic, centered on duty (melancholic) Dominic: ISTJ - introverted, rationalistic, centered on duty (melancholic) Eli: ESFP - extroverted, romantic, centered on action (sanguine) Gabriel: INFJ - introverted, dutiful, centered on feeling (choleric) ... oh, and nuts Janus: ESFP - extroverted, romantic, centered on action (sanguine) Jean: INTJ - introverted, dutiful, centered on understanding (phlegmatic) Jordi: INFP - introverted, restless, centered on feeling (choleric) Laurence: ESFJ - extroverted, romantic, centered on duty (melancholic) Marc: ESTP - extroverted, rationalistic, centered on action (sanguine) Michael: ESTP - extroverted, rationalistic, centered on action (sanguine) Novalis: ENFP - extroverted, restless, centered on feeling (choleric) Yves: XXXX Andrealphus: ENFP - extroverted, restless, centered on feeling (choleric) Asmodeus: ISTJ - introverted, rationalistic, centered on goals (melancholic) Baal: - introverted, rationalistic, centered on goals (melancholic) Beleth: INFJ - introverted, dutiful, centered on feeling (choleric) Belial: ESFP - extroverted, romantic, centered on action (sanguine) Haagenti: ESFP - extroverted, romantic, centered on action (sanguine) Kobal: ENFP - extroverted, restless, centered on feeling (choleric) Kronos: ISTJ - introverted, rationalistic, centered on goals (melancholic) Lilith: ESTP - extroverted, rationalistic, centered on action (sanguine) Malphas: ISTJ - introverted, rationalistic, centered on goals (melancholic) Nybbas: ESTP - extroverted, rationalistic, centered on action (sanguine) Saminga: ISFJ - introverted, romantic, centered on goals (melancholic) Valefor: ESTP - extroverted, rationalistic, centered on action (sanguine) Vapula: INTP - introverted, restless, centered on understanding (phlegmatic) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:03:55 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: RE IN> LIL Seed At 10:16 PM -0800 11/28/00, Bevan Thomas wrote: >How about Nybbas? He doesn't hate mankind, he thinks they're boffo, baby! >And Kobal loves humanity too, after all, they are the ultimate punchline to >the ultimate joke. > >I would think these princes would defect to Lilith. The situation isn't quite that simple. Remember, the Lilithian Princes didn't throw their lot in with Lilith -- they were recruited. It's possible that both Kobal and Nybbas made overtures that have been ignored to date. Also, Kobal and Nybbas might not like the loss of autonomy that joining Lilith entails. Lucifer was Lord of Hell but extremely hands off in his dealings *with* Hell. Lilith is keeping a tight rein on her Princes. Remember that these are the early days of the reign. Developments with Kobal, Nybbas and the others will be coming, though perhaps not the way things are expected. >And due to her subteler take on the war, I think Lilith would welcome >the two who are probably the most subtle of all the demon princes. I don't find Nybbas particularly subtle. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:30:54 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Whose Who in Heaven and Hell (Whomur) It seems to me that a Dalek that died ina war-zone might hardly notice the difference when it arrived in Hell. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: RE IN> LIL Seed Azrael/Demigouge wrote: > > While it's pretty certain Lucifer is dead (or a Remnant, which is > > much the same thing), you have to assume half the Horde is just > > *waiting* for his return. > > He is the Messiah, He is the Messiah, the Second Coming and so > forth...only not. > Actually an infernal..."Christianity"... could be kinda fun. It is also a traditional sign of the End of Days. (At least in the dispensationalist tradition -- a minority school of Christian thought about the End Times, which gets an inordinate amount of attention because it is so detailed and colorful.) The Beast, from the book of Revelation, is supposed to suffer a mortal wound but come back, causing the world to wonder and to worship it. Lots of people, and all dispensationalists, identify the Beast with the Antichrist and claim that the Antichrist will stage an infernal resurrection, ushering in the climax of his career, just before the Christ, the Saints, and the Host squash him. Earl ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 08:04:10 -0800 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Superiors 5 On Tue, 28 November 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > No, drowning me with requests for one over the other will not help. > The scheduling is completely out of my hands. When the call comes > down for S5 to be worked on, the choice will depend, somewhat, on > which authors are doing what, and who I want them doing, and stuff like > that. Who *should* we drown with requests, in the hopes that it will be scheduled sooner? Or is demand completely irrelevant to scheduling in this case? - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:14:58 -0800 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated Well done. That is interesting, yet also somewhat disturbing. Why is it that half my friends and I got the same result from that testing (years back...) yet only one superior got the same result? And that one is VAPULA? (And we're all computer geeks,...come to think of it.) *sigh* INTPs of the world, unite! Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:07:01 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> LIL: SEED REVISED Ok, I can see the response to my Seed were mixed. But after careful deliberation, I've thought about revising my idea some more, re-writing it along these lines... And so, as Lillith gathered her new Princes around here, she was rather pleased with the idea that Armageddon would be denied, both to the Warrior Princes and to Heaven. Given time, she was sure she would corrupt all of the Symphony to her way of thinking, and thus have power over all. Even now, Nybbas was practically begging for the Lillithian word of Medias, and rumor had it that Kobal himself was considering asking her the word of Comedy. Soon, only the old guard of Baal, Belial and Saminga would be left to oppose her. ...The fact that Haagenti seemed to delay joining her side was annoying, but she could care less about the glorified Imp, but the fact that not even Aleamon seemed to know what Malphas was up to was aggrevating. Still, she was confident that as long as things remained on track, soon she would be undeposable. That's when the only thing more powerful then Destiny or Fate, Murphy's Law, came into play... The four Luciferian Princes who still opposed Lillith were in in Baal's domain of Gehenna. Baal was checking his files and battle maps, considering his tactical options, Haagenti was stuffing himself with MREs, Belial was amusing himself as best he could, burning Soul Grubs, and Saminga had gone out of the castle, to walk amongst the dead in the battlefield... Just as Baal was starting to feel the dissonance of having his own self-assurances of eventual victory crumble under him, suddenly the doors of the room were flung open. All eyes turned to the door, where two cloaked forms where. Baal immediatly recognized one as Saminga, dressed in his black Reaper robes, but he had no idea who the other form, draped in white, concealing robes was. None of his senses could penetrate the robe, which immediatly aroused his suspicions. As he reached for his sword, he growled to the stranger. "Give me one good reason I shouldn't tear you apart..." The White shade simply walked slowly into the room, apparantly taking in the three Princes it contained. "Would you rather Lillith won this feud between you?" This time, it was Belial's turn to arise, his hands now engulfed with red flames, as he sided with Baal before this stranger. "What's it to you who wins or loses?" "it doesn't really matter to me... But you might be interested in knowing that I can give you the means to do what you wish to do..." All three Princes went wide eyed in disbelief, as Saminga stepped forward beside the Stranger. "It's true... I've felt what he can do... He touched me, and for a second, I longer felt my word weakening... In fact, I could feel it getting stronger by the second..." Haagenti, now standing with the other two Princes, joined them in using his own Attunments to probe Saminga's form, and saw, with them, that Saminga's word forces were no longer decaying. Baal lowered his sword a second, then clenched his teeth and raised it again. "Hold on... What's the catch here?" "No catch... I'm simply giving you the means to bring about Armageddon... I would think you would be glad..." "Are you after the throne of hell too?" "My only concern is in restoring the balance of Power... Lillith would deny the Symphony the resolution of Armageddon. ...This can not be allowed. Only the four of you will be given what I am here to bring... " Suddenly, Baal looked at his companions in downfall: Fire, Gluttony, Death, and him, The War... and grinned. "So be it... I accept what you offer." "Good... Haagenti, come forth." The fat Prince, a bit suspicious, nonetheless walked to the stranger, who took a pair of balances out of his robe, and handed it to the Calabite. "A Measure of Wheat for a Penny, and Three Measures of Barley for a Penny, and touch not the Oil and the Wine." And as Haagenti grabbed the balance, he felt his hunger surge again... like a burning, a knawing in the pit of his stomach, and he growled as he felt his power grow... he knew that soon, he would devour again, and the thought of eating the world out of house and home made him grin, licking his teeth. As Haagenti stepped back, the stranger turned to Baal, waving him forward. The Prince of War kneeled before the white robed shade, who took a great sword out of his robe and handed it to him, saying: "And power is given to you that kneel hereon, to take peace from the Earth, and that they should kill one another." And as Baal took the sword and rose, holding it before him, he smiled as he felt the Truth of War shining before him... Soon, he would teach all mankind the beauty of War... the final War... And as Baal stepped back, Belial knew it was his turn to step forward, kneeling before the stranger, who took a bow and quiver, and a crown out of his robe, placed the crown on Belial's brow, and handed him the bow. "Be you Flame or Plague or more, you will go forth conquering, and to conquer..." And as Belial took the bow and quiver, he knew that he had changed most of all. No longer did the need to merely burn things fill his heart. ...Now, only the need to conquer his enemies drove his Soul. And finally, as Belial stood with the others, the stranger turned back to Saminga, and touched his shoulder again. And Saminga could feel his word surge again... he could feel the inevitable decay of reality all around him, and he knew that soon, he would be charged with the great task of leading his companions on the battlefield... Lillith was holding court, when suddenly she, and all of Hell, could feel a surging of Forces coming from Gehenna... She immediatly went to the walls of her castle, and saw in the distance, moving towards her castle, an army of demons marching towards her. As Kronos and her other Princes joined her to watch, Lillith saw the four who lead the army, only half the size of her own army, but could not keep a chill from filling her spine. There were four Horsemen, one with a sword, one with a balance, one with a bow, and the fourth... Before she could say a thing, she heard Kronos speak sollemny: "...And I looked, and behold a pale horse; and his name was Death, and Hell followed with him." And suddenly, Lillith realized taking Hell was easier then keeping it was going to be ... And, on a distant hill, a white robed stranger looked at the up-coming battle, and grinned... Ok, this is just something I thought up early in the morning... But the fact that only those 4 Princes remained out of Lucifer's old guard, just kept screaming at me... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:43:45 -0800 From: "Glenn Brown" Subject: IN> Canon NSA Headquarters is a Vapulan tether Regarding the cellphone issue, page 110 of the Liber Canticorum and page 120 of Superiors 4 state that the NSA HQ is Vapulan. I agree Jean might be a more plausible candidate to run that tether, but that is what canon says. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:00:56 -0800 From: "Glenn Brown" Subject: IN> Re: canon NSA Headquarters is Vapulan tether Sorry. I'm so busy getting the correct page on which the NSA is discussed that I use the wrong book title. I mean, of course, that page 110 of the Liber Castellorum says the NAS HQ is Vapulan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:58:53 -0600 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated Excellent work, Earl. A very consise and easy to read sum-up of the Meyers-Briggs and the 4 Humours, too! And of course, now I'm tempted to take the test with the mind-set of all my In Nomine creations. As if I didn't have /enough/ to do. Thanks a lot. *grin* Me and Jean, INTJ's. Go Jean, go!