From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri May 19 09:18:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07190 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:18:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA28675 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:16:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:16:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200005191416.JAA28675@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1633 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, May 19 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1633 In this digest: Re: Fwd: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice IN> Eli the Muse? Re: IN> Eli vs. Jean, and Archangels as Muses Re: IN> In Nomine Dice Re: IN> Eli vs. Jean, and Archangels as Muses IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> Eli vs. Jean, and Archangels as Muses IN> Age and Words IN> How many angels ya figure their are? Re: IN> In Nomine Dice Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> Age and Words IN> The Last Temptation of Yves Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement RE: IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> In Nomine Dice Re: IN> In Nomine Dice Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement RE: IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> Age and Words Re: IN> In Nomine Dice Re: IN> Age and Words Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement Re: IN> Age and Words Re: IN> In Nomine Dice IN> [ADMIN] Getting rid of MIME/HTML (fwd) Re: IN> In Nomine Dice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:44:21 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice >(Gotta s-u-b-scribe to the poster's list first...) We did. Something must have gone wrong, will try again. Sorry, Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:35:26 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Eli the Muse? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFC0E7.120D40A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well if you don't mind someone stepping into the debate new here...my = take on it is that Jean and Eli both advocate a great deal of = creation....but they are hardly the only ones. Theoretically everyone from Lawrence to Novalis could inspire invention = that would advocate their words but it's only that Jean and Eli are = likely best at it. Musing I've discovered is a great part of everyone's work in "word = work"... The way I play Eli, the fellow mostly hangs around pool halls, rock = concerts, bars, parks, etc just as people walk by who are at a point in = their life that they are lacking inspiration or drive to put something = into place. This includes everything from the flush toilet to Mozart's = great operas to architecture. Indeed I play Eli as constantly working by "hanging out" amongst the = humans to create and it doesn't matter exactly what people are creating = (though for the most part he doesn't get in labratories etc too much-he = prefers to deal with scientists and such in a relaxed enviornment like a = pub). Too busy to "hang" with his buds in heaven....(kinda clueless how = unpopular he is...or is he?) Everyone from Jean to Novalis to Michael (who discovered Eli hanging = around the Manhatten Prodject composing music around the scientist's = apartments) has had their prodjects "interferred with" by Eli. In my = game I think that's one of people's big sticking points with the man. Eli doesn't really care as long as he's creating stuff to help = mankind...he never helps create stuff that's evil (the Prodject excluded = and his darkest music comes from that time) and never really asks = permisson of his fellow Archangels to interfere in their prodjects. He = also leaves after people are mused when their down...Yves is to see it = safely utilized and Dominic is to test crash it....at least according to = the Big E. Everyone else is to put it in it's "proper place" Thus I see archangels Jean as constantly working through her angels of = Computers (who has assistants in angels of Software, Hardware, Net = Acess, Disk Drives etc) to improve their system until on occasion Eli's = "muse" walks in with something that renders fiber optic cable and her = entire prodjected product line for 100 years (I see J as an = overachiever) obselete and sets everyone a grumbling. Thoughts? - -Charlemagne - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFC0E7.120D40A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well if you don't mind someone stepping into = the debate=20 new here...my take on it is that Jean and Eli both advocate a great deal = of=20 creation....but they are hardly the only ones.
 
Theoretically everyone from Lawrence to = Novalis could=20 inspire invention that would advocate their words but it's only that = Jean and=20 Eli are likely best at it.
 
Musing I've discovered is a great part of everyone's work in = "word=20 work"...
 
The way I play Eli, the fellow mostly hangs around pool halls, rock = concerts, bars, parks, etc just as people walk by who are at a point in = their=20 life that they are lacking inspiration or drive to put something into=20 place.  This includes everything from the flush toilet to Mozart's = great=20 operas to architecture.
 
Indeed I play Eli as constantly working by "hanging out" = amongst=20 the humans to create and it doesn't matter exactly what people are = creating=20 (though for the most part he doesn't get in labratories etc too much-he = prefers=20 to deal with scientists and such in a relaxed enviornment like a = pub).  Too=20 busy to "hang" with his buds in heaven....(kinda clueless how=20 unpopular he is...or is he?)
 
Everyone from Jean to Novalis to Michael (who discovered Eli = hanging around=20 the Manhatten Prodject composing music around the scientist's = apartments) has=20 had their prodjects "interferred with" by Eli.  In my = game I=20 think that's one of people's big sticking points with the man.
 
Eli doesn't really care as long as he's creating stuff to help = mankind...he=20 never helps create stuff that's evil (the Prodject excluded and his = darkest=20 music comes from that time) and never really asks permisson of his = fellow=20 Archangels to interfere in their prodjects.  He also leaves after = people=20 are mused when their down...Yves is to see it safely utilized and = Dominic is to=20 test crash it....at least according to the Big E. Everyone else is to = put it in=20 it's "proper place"
 
Thus I see archangels Jean as constantly working through her angels = of=20 Computers (who has assistants in angels of Software, Hardware, Net = Acess, Disk=20 Drives etc) to improve their system until on occasion Eli's = "muse"=20 walks in with something that renders fiber optic cable and her entire = prodjected=20 product line for 100 years (I see J as an overachiever) = obselete=20 and sets everyone a grumbling.
 
Thoughts? 
 
-Charlemagne
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFC0E7.120D40A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:38:16 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Eli vs. Jean, and Archangels as Muses At 12:24 -0400 5/18/00, Jo Hart wrote: >And I think Jean's bolts from the blue usually come to people who have spent >some time studying and thinking about their problem. Or are at least willing to think about things. > This is like where you >spend a few days worrying over some work, and then one morning you suddenly >realise what the answer is. I suspect he likes people to have made some kind >of effort first ;) Or afterward -- I can see him working through serendipitous results, as well. Only those who are willing to put aside their prejudices and see the real truths of the Symphony, or something like that.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:05:40 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice >I know my players would get all tingly to actually be able to roll MALAKITE >DICE! YEAH! Malakim dice, Malakite die. Dice is plural . Or maybe we should just kill all the Malakim. Seriously I like the idea of In Nomine dice. Equally I tend to do scenarios (especially for conventions) where the players do not always know the bands, or choirs of the other characters so some more generic In Nomine dice might also be a good idea. Another idea. Superiors dice. Laurence dice, Andreaplhus dice, Gabriel dice etc, in funky colours and symbols. Ashley, Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Eli vs. Jean, and Archangels as Muses - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > I had the impression that > technological creativity was still part of Jean's Word, while > Eli's was more artistic creativity (which overlapped some with > Blandine's Word). > > In short, I saw four of the Archangels as "muses," with the > following roles -- > > Eli: artistic creativity, how to achieve an emotive result > Jean: technical creativity, how to achieve a technical result > Blandine: aspiration, goals to aim for > Gabriel: insight, sudden realization > > Was I off-base? Not at all. Invention is, in fact, part of Jean's Word. However, Eli embodies Creation -- *all* Creation. Of necessity, his Word overlaps several others (the interaction between children and creativity guarantees that Eli and Christopher will relate to each other). In this case, I was merely pointing out the relationship between technological progress and the emergence of new art forms. Rock music, "gentlemen's magazines" and CGI are all examples of art forms that were helped by or exist because of the invention of new technologies (the electric guitar, the airbrush and the computer, respectively). When you add science-fictional gadgets and exponential advancement of technology to the mix, the result is a proliferation of new forms of artistic expression that would make Da Vinci's head spin. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all of its students." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:43:07 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Gabrielle's judgement This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFC0F0.869D4100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool thanks for the info. I can't wait for Superiors three to come out as it has info on Gabrielle = and Yves for my campaign. Plus one of my angels is appropriately = enamoured of the fire lady (she has such...nice wings)....he's a bit of = a nut. However a question does bother me that no doubt has come up extremely = much before? Can't Dominic as a Seraph just tell if Gabrielle is lying = through her teeth? Or is she refusing the trial completely and reacting = with suitable um.....anger? Plus it possible that Yves doesn't actually know? I mean he is Destiny = and all but maybe the Big G bypassed him on those issues to talk to G = personally? - -Charlemagne - ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFC0F0.869D4100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool thanks for the info.
 
I can't wait for Superiors three to come out = as it has=20 info on Gabrielle and Yves for my campaign. Plus one of my angels is=20 appropriately enamoured of the fire lady (she has such...nice = wings)....he's a=20 bit of a nut.
 
However a question does bother me that no = doubt has=20 come up extremely much before? Can't Dominic as a Seraph just tell if = Gabrielle=20 is lying through her teeth? Or is she refusing the trial completely and = reacting=20 with suitable um.....anger?
 
Plus it possible that Yves doesn't actually = know? I=20 mean he is Destiny and all but maybe the Big G bypassed him on those = issues to=20 talk to G personally?
 
-Charlemagne
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFC0F0.869D4100-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Eli vs. Jean, and Archangels as Muses - --- Jo Hart wrote: > > I never thought of Eli of being a muse at all. His purview is the > actual > creative process, which is what happens _after_ someone has had an > inspiration and decided to do something about it. He's also > indiscriminate > -- it doesn't matter to him whether someone is creating Great Art, or > just > making a stew for supper, as long as they are putting some of > themselves > into it. No argument there, but one thing to add; Eli, like all Archangels, promotes his Word (he just does it differently than most). For that reason, he is more likely to support a creative endeavor than simple drudge work. This means that Eli would be more interested in a truly inspired cook than a trite poet. > Contrast with Blandine who is a bit of a snob, and is much > more > interested in great artists and dreamers than with the mundane. This I do have a bit of a problem with. While Blandine reserves her greatest effort for those great artists and dreamers, she is one of the most populist Archangels -- everybody dreams, after all, and she sees to it that all of the faithful receive some benefit from her service. > > And I think Jean's bolts from the blue usually come to people who > have spent > some time studying and thinking about their problem. This is like > where you > spend a few days worrying over some work, and then one morning you > suddenly > realise what the answer is. I suspect he likes people to have made > some kind > of effort first ;) D'accord. Jean was probably the one who gave Edison the phrase about "inspiration" and "perspiration." ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all of its students." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:55:16 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Age and Words This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BFC0F2.3992BDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of curiousity how old do you allow your players to begin as = angels.....this is pointful because one of my players wish to begin as = an angel born in the 12th century, another in the 1960s, and another as = one of the angels directly of the fall but who keeps forgetting his = powers.... Which brings me to my next question-do you allow players to begin with = words?=20 I'm not talking anything like Wrath, Crime, or other rather large open = ended but many characters are built on direct concepts I've = seen...including one who wants to begin as the angel of wide eyed = children and forgetfulness which they roleplay well. Thoughts? - -Charlemagne - ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BFC0F2.3992BDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Out of curiousity how old do you allow your = players to=20 begin as angels.....this is pointful because one of my players wish to = begin as=20 an angel born in the 12th century, another in the 1960s, and another as = one of=20 the angels directly of the fall but who keeps forgetting his=20 powers....
 
Which brings me to my next question-do you = allow=20 players to begin with words?
 
I'm not talking anything like Wrath, Crime, = or other=20 rather large open ended but many characters are built on direct concepts = I've=20 seen...including one who wants to begin as the angel of wide eyed = children and=20 forgetfulness which they roleplay well.
 
Thoughts?
 
-Charlemagne
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BFC0F2.3992BDC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:57:24 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How many angels ya figure their are? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFC0F2.85E291A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just out of curiousity.... In Heaven, Hell, and on Earth what do you think the total are of = superiors/minions/like? Just a thought there. - -Charlemagne - ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFC0F2.85E291A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just out of=20 curiousity.... 
 
In Heaven, Hell, and on Earth = what do you=20 think the total are of superiors/minions/like? 
 
Just a thought = there. 
 
-Charlemagne 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFC0F2.85E291A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:55:21 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice On the Malakim dice: Malakite symbol replacing the 1. A chain sundered in two replacing the 6. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:03:54 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement At 5:43 PM -0400 5/18/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > >However a question does bother me that no doubt has come up >extremely much before? Can't Dominic as a Seraph just tell if >Gabrielle is lying through her teeth? Or is she refusing the trial >completely and reacting with suitable um.....anger? The issue is somewhat ineffable, and all Superiors are cloaked in a certain ineffability, so Dominic can't Ping for Truth very easily. >Plus it possible that Yves doesn't actually know? I mean he is >Destiny and all but maybe the Big G bypassed him on those issues to >talk to G personally? Yves actually gave Gabriel the text of the Qu'ran to dictate. The problem is, the text Mohammad released isn't the same. Which means there are four possibilities: 1. God interceded with Gabriel in prophecy, causing her to change the text. 2. God interceded with Mohammad in prophecy, causing him to change the text. 3. Lucifer made Mohammad a false prophet, causing him to change the text. 4. Gabriel decided to just up and change the text. Point 3 has been largely (if not entirely) ruled out. Point 2 isn't particularly likely, since Mohammad himself claimed to have writ what Gabriel said verbatim. This leaves 1 and 4. The likelyhood is that Yves *does* know. He would have had a copy of the 'final version' of the Qu'ran in the Library, even when he gave the original version to Gabriel. It's reasonable to expect he'd expect the changes to take place. It might have been part of the Destiny of the Muslims that they take place -- God moving directly through Gabriel, rather than an Archangel's pet project going forward. In the same way that the Question of Jesus seems to be seperate from the Archangels, so is the Question of the Qu'ran, and Yves likely knows the truth of both. But he won't. Tell. Anyone. Michael makes *so* much sense to me, sometimes... - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:10:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Age and Words At 5:55 PM -0400 5/18/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Out of curiousity how old do you allow your players to begin as >angels.....this is pointful because one of my players wish to begin >as an angel born in the 12th century, another in the 1960s, and >another as one of the angels directly of the fall but who keeps >forgetting his powers.... > It's not a huge problem, actually. The one born in the 12th Century has likely been out of the promotion track a bit. I'd be tempted to make that character a bit skill heavy, even. The one in the 60's is simple. And the one from the Fall has clearly gone through Celestial Combat at some point and lost a good number of the Forces he built up. A couple of Celestial Forces being gone is good justification for why he's lost some Songs and Attunements. A few missing Ethereal Forces explains his problems with memory. It's not at all a bad character concept. >Which brings me to my next question-do you allow players to begin with words? > Not usually, no. I wouldn't recommend it except for people really experienced with the system. >...many characters are built on direct concepts I've >seen...including one who wants to begin as the angel of wide eyed >children and forgetfulness which they roleplay well. > Were it my game, I'd recommend that those characters be *seeking* the Word of Wide Eyed Children and Forgetfulness, and have worked very hard to orient towards them. Then, part of their overall goals can be receiving those Words, after they've built up a few more Forces and favor with their Superiors. This can lead to a few Quests to test worth and the like, with the Word being awarded after a good deal of effort and the proof that the characters are worthy of those Words. Just food for thought. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> The Last Temptation of Yves Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:29:54 -0400From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Last Temptation of Yves >Hey folks I'm doing a chronical for In Nomine based >around the Archangel of Destiny's possible >corruption. >I was curious if I could get some comments from >everyone on this precept and see if anyone had any >idea for what kinduv direction the campaign should >take, Archangels reactions to all this/Demon Princes >too, etc. >All in all I think it's quite cool. >- -Charlemagne It's certainly ... audacious. First off, your players can just forget getting any help from AAs (except maybe Mike): they'll be too busy running around in circles screaming. The DPs won't be too much better: they'll be looking over at Kronos, wondering if he'll combine with Yves/be locked into a fraticidal power struggle/Redeem/blow up. You could justify some under the cover help from just about anybody on Hell's side: paranoids tend to distrust gifts that are too good to be true, and if there's ever been a DP who wasn't paranoid, he should be on display as a tourist attraction. Most of them would be real leery of this mess. Other than that, it's not something that I'd do, but if you make it work, more power to you. Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Not On MY Watch, Buddy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:53:23 -0500 From: "Michael Neal" Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement > At 5:43 PM -0400 5/18/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > > > >However a question does bother me that no doubt has come up > >extremely much before? Can't Dominic as a Seraph just tell if > >Gabrielle is lying through her teeth? Or is she refusing the trial > >completely and reacting with suitable um.....anger? > > The issue is somewhat ineffable, and all Superiors are cloaked in a > certain ineffability, so Dominic can't Ping for Truth very easily As I've said before, this is one of those things that really, really needs to make it into the core book come 2nd Edition. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:12:58 -0400 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement > 1. God interceded with Gabriel in prophecy, causing her to change the text. > 2. God interceded with Mohammad in prophecy, causing him to change the text. > 3. Lucifer made Mohammad a false prophet, causing him to change the text. > 4. Gabriel decided to just up and change the text. There's always: 5. Mohammed had a poor memory for details. ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:54:43 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Gabrielle's judgement EDG wrote: > There's always: > 5. Mohammed had a poor memory for details. Don't forget, Dominic called Gabriel for heresy when he compared Mohammed's version to Yves'. There's no proof that Yves gave Gabriel the complete original. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:46:22 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement At 11:12 PM -0400 5/18/00, EDG wrote: > > 1. God interceded with Gabriel in prophecy, causing her to change the >text. > > 2. God interceded with Mohammad in prophecy, causing him to change the >text. > > 3. Lucifer made Mohammad a false prophet, causing him to change the text. > > 4. Gabriel decided to just up and change the text. > >There's always: >5. Mohammed had a poor memory for details. 6. "Oh man, I was up all night studying, an' eating pizza. I think I *screwed* the recollection of the Pillars. I hope God grades this on a curve..." - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice > I thought that at first, too; but wouldn't that conflict with > the Lilim/Bright Lilim dice? P'raps, but canon states that Brights are *extremely* rare... I'd use the Mercurian dice for a Bright. JM.02 ===== ** Lead Playtester for Storyteller: The Colon ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice > Superiors dice. Laurence dice, Andrealphus dice, Gabriel > dice etc, in funky colours and symbols. Nah. Larry's are too sharp, Andre's too sticky, Gabby's have a tendancy to burst into flame, David's are too heavy, etc. :) ===== ** Lead Playtester for Storyteller: The Colon ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement > Yves would have had a copy of the 'final version' of the > Qu'ran in the Library, even when he gave the original > version to Gabriel. Question: In canon, which version does Khalid believe? ===== ** Lead Playtester for Storyteller: The Colon ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:47:00 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: RE: IN> Gabrielle's judgement - --On Thu, May 18, 2000 1:54 PM +1000 Leath Sheales wrote: > EDG wrote: > >> There's always: >> 5. Mohammed had a poor memory for details. > > Don't forget, Dominic called Gabriel for heresy when he compared > Mohammed's version to Yves'. There's no proof that Yves gave > Gabriel the complete original. > > Leath. > ...which should immediately make the hairs on the back of your neck shoot straight up as you wonder why he didn't... Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:50:23 +0100 (BST) From: Warsinger Subject: Re: IN> Age and Words On Thu, 18 May 2000, Charles Phipps wrote: > Out of curiousity how old do you allow your players to begin as angels.....this is pointful because one of my players wish to begin as an angel born in the 12th century, another in the 1960s, and another as one of the angels directly of the fall but who keeps forgetting his powers.... I've always been in favour of older Celestials, particularly since there isn't that much of a direct connection between age and power. Looking round the various groups I've played in that seems to be quite common, only one person was playing a young angel that I remember - his Malakim had been created about 2 mins before the campaign began :) If I was GMing, then anything up to and including Per-Fall is fine, as long as they don't expect to gain extra points for it. > > Which brings me to my next question-do you allow players to begin with words? > Nope. Even small Words are a bad idea really. That said I've asked to begin play with a Word *blush* (Dragons, in case anyone wondering). Generally better to earn it in play, because that way you appreciate how much of a difference it makes. I would consider it for an experienced player, prefererably one who had been playing in the game up to now, but was changing characters. Warsinger Cute and fluffy....(with claws) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:02:45 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice - --On Fri, May 19, 2000 1:16 AM -0700 "O. S. Kerr" wrote: >> Superiors dice. Laurence dice, Andrealphus dice, Gabriel >> dice etc, in funky colours and symbols. > > Nah. Larry's are too sharp, Andre's too sticky, Gabby's have a > tendancy to burst into flame, David's are too heavy, etc. > > "Gabriel's dice are TOO HOT....Blandine's dice are TOO COLD...but Dominck's dice are JUST RIGHT..." Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:09:31 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Age and Words - --On Fri, May 19, 2000 12:50 PM +0100 Warsinger wrote: > > I've always been in favour of older Celestials, particularly since > there isn't that much of a direct connection between age and power. > Looking round the various groups I've played in that seems to be > quite common, only one person was playing a young angel that I > remember - his Malakim had been created about 2 mins before the > campaign began :) If I was GMing, then anything up to and > including Per-Fall is fine, as long as they don't expect to gain > extra points for it. > I'd be very interested to know how a factory-fresh Malakim ended up dirtside. (I have this terrible image of a 4-year-old with a cardboard sword running around screaming "HAI-KEEBA!"...) >> >> Which brings me to my next question-do you allow players to begin >> with words? >> > > Nope. Even small Words are a bad idea really. That said I've > asked to begin play with a Word *blush* (Dragons, in case anyone > wondering). Generally better to earn it in play, because that way > you appreciate how much of a difference it makes. I would consider > it for an experienced player, prefererably one who had been playing > in the game up to now, but was changing characters. > Figurative Dragons, or the literal ones? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation "In college, I was into, you know, Dungeons and Dragons." "Yeah, I've seen a few." "...I think he means the game." - Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:34:49 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielle's judgement At 1:19 AM -0700 5/19/00, O. S. Kerr wrote: > > Yves would have had a copy of the 'final version' of the > > Qu'ran in the Library, even when he gave the original > > version to Gabriel. > >Question: In canon, which version does Khalid believe? Gabriel was directly inspired by God, and made divine changes. Khalid is *solidly* behind Gabriel. As I recall, this is a huge part of Khalid's writeup and a part of Gabriel's in Sup3. I haven't looked at the playtest files for a while though (I'm just looking forward to getting my hands on a copy of that beautiful cover-- er, book. I mean book.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:35:07 -0400 From: John Karakash Subject: Re: IN> Age and Words Marc Bowden wrote: > Figurative Dragons, or the literal ones? A Word is what you make of it. =) Probably figurative, but You Never Know. - -- +============================================= + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook + Code mangler for EMC CLARiiON + mib2300 +============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:06:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice At 9:05 PM +0100 5/18/00, Omentide wrote: >>I know my players would get all tingly to actually be able to roll MALAKITE >>DICE! YEAH! > >Malakim dice, Malakite die. Dice is plural . Or maybe we should >just kill all the Malakim. Malakite dice -- would you say Mercurians dice? - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:27:45 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Getting rid of MIME/HTML (fwd) >From: "Prodigal" >Subject: IN> Getting rid of MIME/HTML >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:05:57 -0500 > >From: Elizabeth McCoy >> >>Microsoft emailers and browser/emailers are particularly prone to sending >>stuff in MIME or HTML. There are at least _two_ preference toggles you >>have to turn off to get plain text. > >It's actually a little easier than that, with Outlook Express at least. > >In the Options window, there's an option to reply to messages in the format >that they were sent in, which takes care of it, IF you are replying to a >plain text message. > >If you're replying to a message in HTML or posting one that is not a reply, >just click Format, and choose Plain Text. It's what I do, to make sure I >don't violate the spirit of the list (or since this is about IN, would that >be "the celestial ofthe list" instead?) > >> However, that is a small price to pay to >> avoid having the Djinn Princess of List Admin feed your toes to her >Shedim.) > >Not to mention good sense. ;) > >Azzur, Malakim of the Sword >In Service to Protection >Whose Oaths include "I will not post HTML messages to the list." > - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:22:02 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Dice >>Malakim dice, Malakite die. Dice is plural . Or maybe we should >>just kill all the Malakim. > >Malakite dice -- would you say Mercurians dice? Well, no. They can't - it's taboo, except for demons. They can dice them. Cherubim dice, though, and so do Malakim. Very finely, as I'm told. "Malakite die," though, is number three on the list of "Things a Calabite Might Say." Jason, feeling the power of the 25,000 Pyramid. * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1633 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.