From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun May 21 18:21:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14919 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:21:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA23847 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:20:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:20:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200005212320.SAA23847@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1638 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, May 21 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1638 In this digest: Re: IN> Some Advice Please IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1635 IN> Humans with Words Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1635 Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1635 IN> Words Re: IN> Some Advice Please Re: IN> Words Re: IN> Humans with Words Re: IN> Words IN> Archangel Christopher IN> The Circus of the Damned...or not Re: IN> Words IN> some more gibberings... Re: IN> some more gibberings... Re: IN> some more gibberings... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:07:17 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> Some Advice Please >3) has any one tred to run a game that started in the 'dark ages' then >brought it forward by a few centuries each installment? if so coud you tell >me what superiors were more prominent as the ages went through. the ages im >looking at are Dark Ages, Renesaince, Elizabethan, Wild West, Georgean, WW1, A friend of ours was doing that. I think the group sort of ground to a halt when people moved home etc. which was a pity. He started out in biblical times and was intending to run through to the end of the world. I'm running an 'occasional' sort of campaign (a vaguely linked set of scenarios, mostly run a Conventions) which started in 1492 and is scheduled to go through to the end of the world. That's done under a whole load of different systems though, not just In Nomine and tends to hit on dates that are significant for the general 'theme', rather than worrying too much about the centuries that pass between scenarios. As far as Superiors go, you can hunt through all the source books for info. on the relative prominence of Superiors over the centuries if you want to stick to canon and work from there. The problem with that is, sometimes you have to make something up because it's not in canon. If that 'something' gets to be prominent in your campaign and canon later comes along and contradicts it, you're stuck with something hopelessly non-canonical. That doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I can see that it might bother some people (like a new player in the group who thinks s/he knows the system better than the GM). My tendency is to try to go along with obvious bits of canon (like not having Haagenti or Uriel appear in Elizabethan times) and then research my human history. If you consider there was a factor that seriously affected the course of History, then it was probably someone's word (The Demon of the Black Death springs to mind as an example) and that celestial was presumably pretty prominent at that period. Those Celestials don't necessarily have to be Archangels or Demon Princes, both Heaven and Hell have heirarchies beneath that, after all. Possibly Bulbo, the demon of Black Death was a servitor of Saminga, possibly serving under whoever the Demon of Disease was at that time. More generally, I'm not too keen on the proliferation of Superiors. Possibly this is a subset of my unkeeness for high powered PCs in general. I think we all tend to ignore the 'intermediate' levels of Celestial heirarchies. Why do PCs tend to serve Superiors directly? Why not play a Celestial who serves a Wordbound, who serves someone bound to a more generic Word who answers directly to a Superior? I think this increases the opportunity for political intriguing without constantly running into violations of canon (whether current or future). Hilary Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:40:00 -0400 From: Mary Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1635 >Ahem. Two celestials can share a Word. Humans don't get to unless your >GM is going to think about the canon implications and make the break >deliberately. (It's something that I'd consider campaign-moving >enough that I strongly suggest not doing it on a whim. It should be >a campaign _focus_.) Alright, I'm a little slow. What are the (possibly grevious) canon implications of a human getting a word? I thought it would just be generally annoying if they died in about 50 yrs, and that could be solved by judicious use of the corporeal song entropy. It also has little bearing on immediate game play. My Moon-based Death Ray Panics the people of Earth. Mock my theories now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:50:22 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Humans with Words Mary wrote: > Alright, I'm a little slow. What are the (possibly grevious) canon > implications of a human getting a word? None. The ONLY human to get a Word, ever, is Lilith, and no one knows how that was done. She's certainly not entirely human now, if she ever was. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:06:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1635 At 8:40 AM -0400 5/21/00, Mary wrote: >>Ahem. Two celestials can share a Word. Humans don't get to unless your >>GM is going to think about the canon implications and make the break >>deliberately. (It's something that I'd consider campaign-moving >>enough that I strongly suggest not doing it on a whim. It should be >>a campaign _focus_.) > >Alright, I'm a little slow. What are the (possibly grevious) canon >implications of a human getting a word? I thought it would just be >generally annoying if they died in about 50 yrs, and that could be solved >by judicious use of the corporeal song entropy. It also has little bearing >on immediate game play. bewcause of what changes it makes to the human soul --b generally, humans are too -complex_ to be bound to a single overpowerring theme (or note, for little words) in the symphony. - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:29:10 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1635 > Alright, I'm a little slow. What are the (possibly grevious) canon > implications of a human getting a word? I thought it would just be > generally annoying if they died in about 50 yrs, and that could be solved > by judicious use of the corporeal song entropy. It also has little bearing > on immediate game play. The Canon implication is this: If a Human gets a Word.... you're not playing Canon anymore. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:42:11 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Words >Depends on what Word Lucifer really gave him in the celestial tongue. >Remember that whatever English word we use to represent a celestial word >doesn't necessarily have the same connotations. Words are more specific >(though they can be phrased to encompass a broad area, and Lucifer in >particular is likely to give some twisted Words with unexpected >applications). True enough on this matter but very few demons I suspect are truly trapped in dead end words....unless the Nasty Lord of Darkness is thinking of offing the poor sot in some terribly embarrasing way (The Demon of "ABC's Friday Night lineup" just as some Malakim take over producing) and...even I find it hard to believe Old Scratch is that bored. >So the Demon of Excrement (who might variously call himself in English >the Demon of Crap, the Demon of Poo, or the Demon of S***) might have a >Word that translates in Helltongue as "Fecal Matter," which means he's >pretty much stuck backing up sewers. OTOH, if Lucifer gave him a Word >that means, in Helltongue, "Filthy Excretions," then he might well be >able to apply his Word in a broader manner than just scatalogically.. True enough on that end. Still I reiterate no word is total dead end and the man with fecal matter has a bright (or dark future) ahead of him in his service to Kobal no doubt. His guest appearence indeed on Dogma was the talk of Hell for weeks...even if Andre still didn't invite him to any parties (you'd think meeting Salma Hayek would have done that for the guy). In any case I see Heaven as giving words based on concepts they believe will remain fairly universal and exploitable for time to come. With unfortunately "sweeping fads" occasionally leaving them in the dust (an angel of the Bushido or Chivalry....) while lucifer gives words that cause the subject no ammount of pain but usually end up paying big time off ("Sex on Film", "Tax trouble", "Unidentified Flying Objects", etc) in the 17th century for instance. Plus I'm not sure but I believe words can be upgraded by Serpahs expanding it but I can't believe anyone ever conciously tries to change their word...given that's what they are...or will become at least. >Furfur *asked* for "Rock and Roll," but the Word he actually got was >"Hardcore." Apologies there...I swear I'm so out of the loop I might as well be one of Jordi's folk. Let us pray extensive search through the catalogs and online ordering brings me up to date. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:22:43 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Some Advice Please At 1:07 PM +0100 5/21/00, Omentide wrote: >More generally, I'm not too keen on the proliferation of Superiors. >Possibly this is a subset of my unkeeness for high powered PCs in >general. I think we all tend to ignore the 'intermediate' levels of >Celestial heirarchies. Why do PCs tend to serve Superiors directly? >Why not play a Celestial who serves a Wordbound, who serves someone >bound to a more generic Word who answers directly to a Superior? I >think this increases the opportunity for political intriguing >without constantly running into violations of canon (whether current >or future). The "basic game format" is that the PCs are among the Superior's favored Servitors, and therefore take orders directly from the Superior. The implication is they're on the fast track, so that as their Forces increase they're also likely to get Distinction and maybe be considered for a Word. They don't tend to be the Celestials who get assigned to develop Roles, or sit in one place for three centuries doing not much of anything, or end up as one of the cogs in the overall organizations. That being said, I tend to use celestial middle-management in my games, with the Top Level being involved only when necessary. (Laurence being *busy,* you see.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:28:42 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Words At 2:42 PM -0400 5/21/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > >Depends on what Word Lucifer really gave him in the celestial tongue. > >Remember that whatever English word we use to represent a celestial word > >doesn't necessarily have the same connotations. Words are more specific > >(though they can be phrased to encompass a broad area, and Lucifer in > >particular is likely to give some twisted Words with unexpected > >applications). > >True enough on this matter but very few demons I suspect are truly trapped >in dead end words....unless the Nasty Lord of Darkness is thinking of offing >the poor sot in some terribly embarrasing way (The Demon of "ABC's Friday >Night lineup" just as some Malakim take over producing) and...even I find it >hard to believe Old Scratch is that bored. Actually, there's a campaign seed thought. Take Lucifer Morningstar from the latter half of Neil Gaiman's Sandman -- one who's supremely bored with the whole affair, and who gives up having anything to do with it. Drop him on Earth (piano playing optional). Have your Demons who want Words forced to seek him out, keep from being destroyed, and make their cases. And then deal with the Words he gives them. It's certainly a thought. (Or, for that matter, play the Doormen, bartenders, bouncers, waitresses et al in his nightclub, all of whom don't know why they were selected. Watch the fun as Princes, Dukes of Hell and the Infernal Elite desperately try to get him come back. *Thrill* to Michael coming and heckling the Morningstar from the front row, only to have Lucifer look at the PCs and say "throw that riff-raff out, would you?" Enjoy the action packed lifestyle of 9 Force Demons put by raw Fate at the head of the Celestial Hierarchy!) - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Humans with Words - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Mary wrote: > > Alright, I'm a little slow. What are the (possibly grevious) canon > > implications of a human getting a word? > > None. The ONLY human to get a Word, ever, is Lilith, and no one knows > how that was done. She's certainly not entirely human now, if she > ever > was. One minor point of inaccuracy here; two entities know how Lilith got her Word -- Lucifer and Lilith. But since neither one is talking... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all of its students." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Words > Plus I'm not sure but I believe words can be upgraded by Serpahs > expanding > it but I can't believe anyone ever conciously tries to change their > word... Change, no. Expand, most definitely. Broadening the range of concepts that a Word embodies is a common practice of the Word-bound -- it's one of the most effective tactics for Word Battles. Thus, Fleurity causes Novalis no end of grief by promoting the recreational use of medicinal plants. In the same vein, Belial's focus on the destructive aspects of fire is a large contributing factor in Gabriel's madness. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all of its students." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:04:37 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Archangel Christopher Hey unfortuantely I have a slight problem in locating Night Music and have a pressing need (A ofalim of Eli seeks another patron) for the attunements thereof for such of the Archangel Christopher of Children if you could share the info thanke. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:28:29 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Circus of the Damned...or not This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC349.FADBC900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hehehe quite an interesting little conudrum there. >A while ago i asked if any one could write up a 'humourous' thing based = on >what the superiors would do at the circus for the day. Well, no one = sent >one to me so i'm doing it instead. Yeah might be interesting how these folk react to *ANYTHING*.... (What position would the Superiors hold if they worked in an office) >At the Circus=20 Alittle carnival added to make it more interesting (blame Yves for = finding the best in the world) >Blandine: Wanders around, looks at all the animals and notes that some >dreams of a dayout for the kids is in order. Blandine also sends some Malakim to beat up the clowns for giving some = kids nightmares I think too. >David: Chats to the 'carnies' and makes sure that their rights are = looked >after and that they all stick together. He would also check that the = Demons >didn't mess with the bigtop. I'm not so sure...he may make things difficult for some individaul = performances. >Dominic: Would stay in Heaven, to busy with paperwork of fallen angels = to >bother with such frivolities like the circus. Well I'm fairly sure Yves is making him come...in this time no doubt = he'll wander around and ask if the circus people are overcharging, if = they're Christian and if so what denomination, not to mention ask if = they've commited any nefarious deeds....amusing himself accordingly if = not. >Eli: Is actually the ringmaster, and the popcorn seller, the stage = magician >and a clown. Not to mention he just gave the old mechanic the most killer idea for a = new type of ride outside, commented on how to make swirling cotton candy = with several flavors, pointed out that a new type of feed will really = help out those animals, plus inspired some kids to become = artists/performers doing it. >Gabriel: Sits, watches, waits, leaves, mutters to herself. Heaven help any poor carney who sits nearby hoping to comfort the lonely = attractive lady *flamming sounds* >Janus: Helps the 'carnies' when they go in to town, helps them set up = the >tents, helps with the chores, but is gone before the main opening = night. Pretty much. >Jean: Balks at the lack of technical stuff, and then sits back to watch = the >show. Eventually she wanders over to the wiring and tries to improve on what = Eli inspired...eventually taking over the prodject and working on it. >Jordi: Checks that all the animals are well cared for, if they're not.. = then >a little possesion of a cleaner is in order. "Come my animal friends when the revolution comes the HUMANS will be the = slaves." "Hey! Get away from that Zebra!" "ACK! The oppressors! I will return for you!" >Laurence: looks on confused, not understanding why the clowns are = fighting >eachother but only using pies and confetti. He eventually punches out one of the poor guys thinking he's terrorizing = alittle kid. >Marc: Makes sure that the opening night is well publicised and then = makes >sure that all the wages are upto date, fixes the books, orders some = popcorn, >sits back watches the show, knowing that all the stuff is sorted out. Then his broker calls on a cellphone to say Kobal caused the stock = market to crash using an eleven year old's computer virus. Ends up = outside talking all night. >Michael: Takes comfort knowing that Dominic is upstairs, fretting over >paperwork, keeps one eye on the princes over the otherside of the tent, >makes sure that his strike teams are in place ready for a sneak attack = on >the princes... Actually I see him at the games.... "Yep...that elephant is mine...a symbol of my superiority over = Lawren...I mean my own weaknesses." Eventually wins everything. >Novalis: Buys some popcorn from the familier guy at the vending stand, = has a >great time. Flirts all day the flirt. >Yves: Eats some of Novalises popcorn, and enjoys the clowns. Sadly he knows how all their acts are going to end. Some more: Christopher: Wanders about until a clown scares him and Lawrence punches = him out. Khalid: Followers Dominic and talks to the carnies who meet his = approval. >Andrealphus: Buys some popcorn, and sets a shedim or two on he animals = so >they embarass the humans. Flirts with the carnies. >Asmodeus: Is to busy on the phone with Dominic comparing notes to = bother >with the circus. "I'm just one of the gang tonight guys." >Baal: Sets some of the 'carnies' up for crimes, inciting the local = towns to >rout out the evil of carnies. Pretty much. >Beleth: Avoids blandine, but places doubts and fears in to all the = visitors >dreams about escaped animals.. I say he dresses up as a clown to scare children indeed....perhaps = inviting them into his funhouse of horrors....he has the best haunted = houses truly. However he ends up trying to scare Christopher and Lawrence punches him = out. >Belial: Is to busy in the local towns burning places down to bother = with the >circus. Hmmmmmm....flammable tents.....big crowds....gee.... >Haagenti: Ignores the rings, and stays by the candyfloss and hotdog and >popcorn stands. MMmmm Elephants. >Kobal: is strangely absent from the ring seats, but is wearing a big = rednose >in the ring, using the clowns as the butts of his special brand of = humour. Frankly I see him passing himself off as two indifferent = Muslim/Christian clowns who are buddies just to get Khalid and Dominic = in a fight... then of course the hotfoots engauge. All the while making prank phone calls about stock market crashes to = Marc and Nybblas >Kronos: Sets the RSPCA/Animal protection Legue against the Ringmaster = and >watches as the circus is closed down knowing that it will never give = joy >again. Sadly he already knows how all the acts are going to go.... >Malphas: Watches as all the others try to ruin the circus in their own = way >and mutters 'ameturs'. He did however tell Beleth to go scare one particular kid.... >Nybbas: has a 'chopper and news team reaedy for the animal breakout = story >that will happen any time soon.... His cellphone kept ringing the entire show. Apparently Katie Couric died = in a bus accident arranged by Marc... >Saminga: Ignores the circus, it has little to do with him, but he does = give >the trapeze guy a haert attack, just for good measure. Mostly I see him annoyed he kept getting offers to join the Freak show. >Valefor: Borrows the takings of the night as well as some of the cars = that >were left 'unlocked' in the park. Eli generously helped him with his magic act...unfortunately Valefor = then discovered he'd been robbed. >Vapula: ponders a self errecting tent idea and starts to rush back to = hell, >to get the blue prints drawn up... Spots Jean's working on Eli's carnival work and instantally runs to the = designing board to get his own rickety version pattented first... >Ok, its not humourous, but it gives me an idea for an adventure or = three.... True. me too - -Charlie - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC349.FADBC900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hehehe quite an interesting little conudrum there.

>A while ago i asked if any one could write up a 'humourous' = thing=20 based on
>what the superiors would do at the circus for the = day. =20 Well, no one sent
>one to me so i'm doing it = instead.
 
Yeah might be interesting how these folk react to = *ANYTHING*....
 
(What position would the Superiors hold if they worked in an = office)
 
>At the Circus
 
Alittle carnival added to make it more interesting (blame Yves for = finding=20 the best in the world)

>Blandine: Wanders around, looks at all the animals and = notes that=20 some
>dreams of a dayout for the kids is in order.
 
Blandine also sends some Malakim to beat up the clowns for giving = some kids=20 nightmares I think too.
 
>David: Chats to the 'carnies' and makes sure that their rights = are=20 looked
>after and that they all stick together.  He would = also check=20 that the Demons
>didn't mess with the bigtop. 
 
I'm not so sure...he may = make things=20 difficult for some individaul performances.

>Dominic: Would stay in Heaven, to busy with paperwork of = fallen=20 angels to
>bother with such frivolities like the = circus. 
 
Well I'm fairly sure Yves is making him = come...in this=20 time no doubt he'll wander around and ask if the circus people are = overcharging,=20 if they're Christian and if so what denomination, not to mention ask if = they've=20 commited any nefarious deeds....amusing himself accordingly if = not.

>Eli: Is actually the ringmaster, and the popcorn seller, = the stage=20 magician
>and a clown. 
 
Not to mention he just = gave the old=20 mechanic the most killer idea for a new type of ride outside, commented = on how=20 to make swirling cotton candy with several flavors, pointed out that a = new type=20 of feed will really help out those animals, plus inspired some kids to = become=20 artists/performers doing it.

>Gabriel: Sits, watches, waits, leaves, mutters to=20 herself. 
 
Heaven help any poor carney who sits nearby hoping to comfort the = lonely=20 attractive lady *flamming sounds*

>Janus: Helps the 'carnies' when they go in to town, helps = them set=20 up the
>tents, helps with the chores, but is gone before the main = opening=20 night. 
 
Pretty much.

>Jean: Balks at the lack of technical stuff, and then sits = back to=20 watch the
>show. 
 
Eventually she wanders over to = the wiring=20 and tries to improve on what Eli inspired...eventually taking over the = prodject=20 and working on it. 

>Jordi: Checks that all the animals are well cared for, if = they're=20 not.. then
>a little possesion of a cleaner is in = order. 
 
"Come my animal friends when the revolution comes the HUMANS = will be=20 the slaves."

"Hey! Get away from that = Zebra!" 
 
"ACK! The oppressors! I will return for you!"

>Laurence: looks on confused, not understanding why the = clowns are=20 fighting
>eachother but only using pies and confetti. 
 
He eventually punches out one = of the poor=20 guys thinking he's terrorizing alittle kid. 

>Marc: Makes sure that the opening night is well publicised = and then=20 makes
>sure that all the wages are upto date, fixes the books, = orders some=20 popcorn,
>sits back watches the show, knowing that all the stuff = is sorted=20 out. 
 
Then his broker calls on a = cellphone to=20 say Kobal caused the stock market to crash using an eleven year old's = computer=20 virus. Ends up outside talking all night.

>Michael: Takes comfort knowing that Dominic is upstairs, = fretting=20 over
>paperwork, keeps one eye on the princes over the otherside = of the=20 tent,
>makes sure that his strike teams are in place ready for a = sneak=20 attack on
>the princes... 
 
Actually I see him at the=20 games.... 
"Yep...that elephant is mine...a symbol of my superiority = over=20 Lawren...I mean my own weaknesses."
Eventually wins=20 everything. 

>Novalis: Buys some popcorn from the familier guy at the = vending=20 stand, has a
>great time. 
 
Flirts all day the = flirt.

>Yves: Eats some of Novalises popcorn, and enjoys the=20 clowns. 
 
Sadly he knows how all their acts are going to end.
 
Some more:

Christopher: Wanders about until a clown scares him and = Lawrence=20 punches him out. 
 
Khalid: Followers Dominic and talks to the carnies who meet his=20 approval.

>Andrealphus: Buys some popcorn, and sets a shedim or two on = he=20 animals so
>they embarass the humans. 
 
Flirts with the = carnies.

>Asmodeus: Is to busy on the phone with Dominic comparing = notes to=20 bother
>with the circus. 
 
<scribbles notes on lack of evil behavior amongst those demons = enjoying=20 themselves>

"I'm just one of the gang tonight=20 guys."

<scribble scribble> 

>Baal: Sets some of the 'carnies' up for crimes, inciting = the local=20 towns to
>rout out the evil of carnies. 
 
Pretty = much. 

>Beleth: Avoids blandine, but places doubts and fears in to = all the=20 visitors
>dreams about escaped animals.. 
 
I say he dresses up as a clown to scare children indeed....perhaps = inviting=20 them into his funhouse of horrors....he has the best haunted houses = truly.
 
However he ends up trying to scare Christopher and Lawrence punches = him=20 out.

>Belial: Is to busy in the local towns burning places down = to bother=20 with the
>circus. 
 
Hmmmmmm....flammable tents.....big crowds....gee....

>Haagenti: Ignores the rings, and stays by the candyfloss = and hotdog=20 and
>popcorn stands. 
 
MMmmm = Elephants.

>Kobal: is strangely absent from the ring seats, but is = wearing a=20 big rednose
>in the ring, using the clowns as the butts of his = special=20 brand of humour. 
 
Frankly I see him passing himself off as two indifferent = Muslim/Christian=20 clowns who are buddies just to get Khalid and Dominic in a = fight...
 
then of course the hotfoots engauge.
 
All the while making prank phone calls about stock market crashes = to Marc=20 and Nybblas

>Kronos: Sets the RSPCA/Animal protection Legue against = the =20 Ringmaster and
>watches as the circus is closed down knowing that = it will=20 never give joy
>again. 
 
Sadly he already knows how all the acts are going to go....

>Malphas: Watches as all the others try to ruin the circus = in their=20 own way
>and mutters 'ameturs'. 
 
He did however tell Beleth = to go scare=20 one particular kid....

>Nybbas: has a 'chopper and news team reaedy for the animal = breakout=20 story
>that will happen any time soon.... 
 
His cellphone kept ringing = the entire=20 show. Apparently Katie Couric died in a bus accident arranged by=20 Marc...

>Saminga: Ignores the circus, it has little to do with him, = but he=20 does give
>the trapeze guy a haert attack, just for good=20 measure. 
 
Mostly I see him annoyed he kept getting offers to join the Freak=20 show.

>Valefor: Borrows the takings of the night as well as some = of the=20 cars that
>were left 'unlocked' in the park. 
 
Eli generously helped him with his magic act...unfortunately = Valefor then=20 discovered he'd been robbed.

>Vapula: ponders a self errecting tent idea and starts to = rush back=20 to hell,
>to get the blue prints drawn up... 
 
Spots Jean's working on = Eli's carnival=20 work and instantally runs to the designing board to get his own rickety = version=20 pattented first...

>Ok, its not humourous, but it gives me an idea for an = adventure or=20 three....
 
True.
 
me too
 
-Charlie
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BFC349.FADBC900-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:45:05 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Words Michael Walton wrote: > Change, no. Expand, most definitely. Broadening the range of > concepts that a Word embodies is a common practice of the Word-bound -- > it's one of the most effective tactics for Word Battles. Thus, > Fleurity causes Novalis no end of grief by promoting the recreational > use of medicinal plants. In the same vein, Belial's focus on the > destructive aspects of fire is a large contributing factor in > Gabriel's madness. Well... I agree, but I'd take those two examples with a grain of salt, since Gabriel's Word includes the destructive aspects of fire, and Novalis' includes the recreational use of various herbs. (IME, Heaven's words tend to be quite a bit broader than Hell's) The difference, of course, is that Belial believes in needless, constant, destruction, and Fleurity would just as soon see a human take far too much medicinal herb (or whatever ^_^) and stumble out into the street to hug the trees, passersby, lamposts and moving cars. There's a certain degree common interest, though (although there's no love lost in the case of Belial and Gabriel). For instance (to use an example from Superiors 1, I believe) both the Angel and Demon of Cities benefit from expanding urban centers, but the Demon works to make them smelly, unpleasant crime-centers (or possibly shiny, steel and chrome crime centers...), whereas the Angel works to make 'em nice places to live. Changing a word's focus happens occaisionally as well, I believe. The Demon of Spam is a special case, of course, but I'm pretty sure there've been a few instances of a major change in focus in a word (the only one that comes to mind immediately is the Angel of Dragon Slaying on jo's page, which isn't canon, but I'm sure there're others). Okay. I'm done rambling. Presumably there's some sort of overall point to this post. - -Ryan "My body's no-body's body but mine." -Grins, Shedite of Malphas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:48:04 +0100 From: "mink" Subject: IN> some more gibberings... Talk about Inspiration from strange places.. i was in my kitchen and suddenly the thought of Buffy ((not quite but nearly a WW franchise?!?)) came in to mind. I got to thinking, which is a hazardous hobby i ness with once in a while. 1) Is buffy a Malakite who got a role so high that she is now convinced that she is the cute girl who must destroy evil? Or has Nybaas got in on the act and corrupted some poor lil girl in to being a hell sworn soldier and a tv starlet? Or has Michael and Laurence got together with Eli and made the tv series?? does anyone else have a theory on this? 2) i was reading through some digest's the other day and folks keep mentioning the fact that demons only get 7 forces to start with. What gives???? i mean, id that for npc's or players as well? do the demons get free vessels or roles or other stuff like that? why do they have start with 7 instead of 9 forces???? 3) (its not In Nomine..)) what is the pc game of MESSIAH like? i need honets reviews please, i found a great game called 'afterlife' in the shop the other day, woo fun... sim heaven/hell. not too bad... could have been much better though. aree there many other games like these two on the market? i dont like sports games and all i have in the way of good stuff in the mecha based games, oh and a few other war sims.... thanks for thiose that replyed to my other stuff. };-)~ Colgarothialmes, Demon of Damnation, Shedite with a curious streak ]-;{ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:25:53 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> some more gibberings... >Talk about Inspiration from strange places.. i was in my kitchen and >suddenly the thought of Buffy ((not quite but nearly a WW franchise?!?)) *laugh* The running joke at our house is that, somewhere in the bowels of Mutant Enemy productions, there's a stack of gaming books marked with sticky notes. The Guide to the Technocracy, for example, has a big one saying "USE THIS NOW!" >came in to mind. >I got to thinking, which is a hazardous hobby i ness with once in a while. >1) Is buffy a Malakite who got a role so high that she is now convinced >that she is the cute girl who must destroy evil? Probably not. :) >Or has Nybaas got in on the act and corrupted some poor lil girl in to being >a hell sworn soldier and a tv starlet? No, no, no. He's responsible for the *other* TV show. The one that follows it. The one that suggests that some vampires and demons are okay guys, and it's those horrible humans - like lawyers - that are the true evil that must be purged from the world. At least, he's mostly responsible. Kobal was the one who named it - something about irony. >Or has Michael and Laurence got together with Eli and made the tv series?? Eli doesn't "do" t.v. :) But... I can see Michael and Laurence being torn on the issue. Kicking demon butt? Good. Having a supporting character who dabbles in Ethereal rites and sorcery? Bad. Jason, who think's Anya's a Remnant * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:27:01 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> some more gibberings... At 11:48 PM +0100 05/21/00, mink wrote: > 1) [Buffy: tVS] She's just a regular human, with 6-7 Forces. Not everything you see is necessarely supernatural. > 2) [7 Force demons] PC's start off at 9 Forces, period. However, demons _do_ fledge at 7 Forces, unlike their Heavenly counterparts who fledge at 9. This does mean there are 7 Force infernal NPC's out there, somewhere. . . > 3) [W]hat is the pc game of MESSIAH like? Dunno. Never played it, nor heard of it. > [I] found a great game called 'afterlife' SimHeaven (as its likened to be called). It's a GREAT product. We're not quite sure what Jasper is, but Aria is annoyingly a Mercurian of Flowers to a 'T'. The only other thing I can _mebbe_ recommend is SMAC (Sid Meiyer's Alpha Centauri). If there was a far more diabolical product, inspired by a Shedite of Fate, I would't know nor dream of it. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1638 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.