From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun May 28 02:24:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA08082 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 02:24:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id CAA17152 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 2000 02:20:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:20:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200005280720.CAA17152@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1646 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, May 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1646 In this digest: IN> Angels of places IN> The Limbo bar and grill IN> Power of Archangels IN> Campaign stories Re: IN> Some Advice Please Re: IN> Six ideas for Yahweh Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> Angels of places Re: IN> Six ideas for Yahweh Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> Angels of places Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art IN> Love amongst the Superiors Re: IN> Love amongst the Superiors Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> Angels of places Re: IN> Re: Celestial physics expertize required... Re: IN> Mythic creatures and Angels Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Re: IN> Angels of places Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art IN> Ahem... Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:48:31 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Angels of places > Several literary works including the Bible refer to angels of various >cities and places. For example, the Bible refers to the demon prince of >Egypt in the book of Daniel. What I am trying to get up and running in my >game is a system for such a geographic organization. I will treat it in a >way like with tethers. The celestials word is the place or area. Of course >this would allow the celestial to later expand his word (from Atlanta to >Georgia for example) but it might also limit then if the area becomes >deserted. What do you guys think? I find it unlikely that the Seraphim Council would actually grant an Angel the word of Atlanta, GA, Disneyworld, or the like. We are talking about beings who can effectively live a few billion years here. While a angel might believe "Rome will stand forever" or "the British Empire shall never have the sun set upon it" or even something more religeous as "Israel is the promised land." they are unlikely to grant such direct mortal things words. The council is more foresighted than that. The *concept* of a Promised Land and an angel of it (guiding those poor Mormons duped by a balseraph...or aiding his buddy Mornoni...or Moroni himself) to Salt Lake City after serving as a pillar of fire to those Nice Israelis...I wonder what happened to them...oooooo I better lead them back there (he's an Olphalim-can you tell?) is good because it's not a physical thing like a city. This sounds more like an assignment from an angel-Jordi asks you to look after Yellowstone for the next 10,000 years. Catch my drift? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:05:18 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Limbo bar and grill >(Or, in other words, Hell. If you happen to be a vegetarian and don't >drink... Well, maybe they have dice. Ought to be able to get a fine >game going with some dice.) No offense I don't think Appalyon was ever that fond of Jordi or Novalis. David and he usually get a kick out of each other as they argue over whether or not it's better to see how much you can drink or how much you refrain from drinking. (Eh...stone) >("Okay, here's what we're gonna do. First, everyone figure out how much >Essence they had... We'll assign Forces from that. You, blackwings over >there! C'mere and help me reconstruct the Malakite resonance check digit >able. Yeah, yeah, God doesn't play dice with the universe. Well, _I_ >do. You want in or not?") Well the Archangel of Role-Playing Games (he achieved his Archangel Status just long enough for Dominic to order his death) is upstairs in one of the old pool halls, but the beefy big angels and demons are mean to him. The Demon Prince of Roleplaying-Games (his situation remarkably like the Archangels except Furfur gave him a wedgie before Haagenti ate him on Asmodeus's orders) runs an opposing game. They like to rules lawyer each other alot when they play together. Slot machines and video games are available on various levels. Impudites and Mercurians can usually be found around the Love Tester that Appalyon stole from Andre after he found out that the Trojan war he started wasn't the First Trumpet. He's still looking for it. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:30:06 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Power of Archangels >Actually, IMC Michael *is* assumed to be disgustingly powerful. He's >played as an ancient force that is at least in Lucifer's league >himself -- and ready for a rematch whenever the First Balseraph wants >to be smacked down again. David is the closest Archangel to Michael's >overall power level, and Gabriel is next, quite a ways down the line >(the constant Word-Battle with Belial has taken its toll on her). Interesting in my campaign I run the power level of the Celestial Realms something along these lines. Yves (duh-he frankly takes credit for most of the Old Testament versions of God in my campaign) I Michael (powerful and awesome indeed he is weakened by a wound from Lucifer that will never heal-nor heal until he gives up his hatred for his former commander) I Gabrielle (She's tougher than she looks but hers is a roll less suited to battle and strength but more subtle comtemplation-perhaps she's been sitting on her pillow of fire a bit TOO MUCH however) (Raphael used to be equal to Gabrielle but I'm deciding his fate-even if he's just watching the Sun ever since Lucifer tried to snuff it) I Eli-He is who he is. I David-"The Fisher King" (Celestial of Oceans in my game)-Lawrence-(he's tougher than he looks)Jordi I Novalis-Jean-Khalid-Dominic (his is more influence)-Janus-Blandine I Marc I Christopher. >The Demon Princes are less powerful by far, as battle between them >has kept them down, and Lucifer has made sure no one can challenge >him. The most powerful of them is Baal, and Michael accords him that >respect and the respect a true warrior has earned -- though when the >Final Battle comes, Michael knows Baal won't be that much of a >problem in and of himself. It's if Baal weakens Michael enough that >*Lucifer* can win that concerns Michael mostly... Interesting take on the battle....very interesting indeed though I don't accord the Golden Calf very much respect. In my campaign one of the most famous incidents in Celestial history was when Michael defeated Baal and nearly destroyed him as a Celestial spirit in a battle that was later so celebrated the "Cult of Michael" (Mithras) became a rival for Christianity (IMC the reason behind Dominic's trying Michael). In my game Lucifer (unpleasant fellow he is) I Lilith and Kronos (at his side constantly-Lilith is his lover no doubt and that's why she's there no more...right? The Princes chuckle), Beelzebub (IMC-Flies-whatever the hell that means) I Asmodeus, Malphas (Asmodeus has a slight edge on him), Deliah (IMC Hate) I Belial, Andre, Baal (Baal has a edge on these two and Andrew more than Belial) I Beleth, Haagenti (Mmmm Nightmares is a concern of hers now), Kobal (maliciousness and sadism is a power not usually underdone by him), Mesphito (IMC-Trickery), Saminga (Saminga would spit if he knew that Kobal was just behind him and he was this low on the totem pole) I Valephor (business has been bad lately No 1#) I Nybblas, Vapula, Fleurity (the third lags way behind but is getting kids gloves from these guys) I Furfur (Hmmm gee who saw this?) Elder evils like Mazog, the Leviathan, Dagon the Demon Prince of Fish, and etc don't really have much to do with Hell's politics but are nasty cusses nonethless. Just chilling back til Armageddon mostly. >None of which has huge impact with my players, save that when Michael >shows up (which has happened once) his Word and his presence tend to >cow most mere Immortals something fierce. No doubt. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:30:17 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Campaign stories >This does tie into my FotM scenario. IMG the Malakim never undergo this >adventure, but the actions of one Malakite (one of the chief PCs) are >severely dragging down the choir as a whole. The torching of LA leads into >the first trumpet, leading into Armageddon (I'll be changing the events of >each other trumpet as well). The Fall of the Malakim was one of the adventures that I really felt was more or less a cop-out. The idea of a completely fallen Malakim is truly terrifying to behold and one I was anxiously looking forward too (if all the good in them was turned to Evil-a slight variant on Dante's words when he beheld Lucifer for the first time). Though I never saw Gabrielle on a low this massively violent it's a very interesting display of her powers and one that I'll have to bear in mind for future instances. >Gabriel will recover some of her sanity, but it will be replaced with Divine >Vengeance, making her much scarier and more deadly (and a lot less >forgiving). Now I imagine is not a good time to ask her out? >When confronted by Dominic for her trial she will stare at him before saying "Here is the truth of what I am" >and lowering all her symphonic shields. The Truth of God's plans for Gabriel will burn into Dominic's being >with Divine might, destroying some of his eyes permanently. This is about THEE most awesome image I can imagine to Gabrielle and Dominic's conflict, thank you very much. Mind if I borrow it for my campaign? >After this scene (which most of Heaven will witness) Dominic will fall to >the ground weeping. Gabriel turns and walks away to her volcano, and >nothing will be said of her trial ever again. Interestigly enough, she and >Dominic will become Associated after this point. Cool. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:16:33 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Some Advice Please From: Leath Sheales > Liam wrote: > > jean is > > a minor AA, pretty much jean's sidekick; > > Jean is his own sidekick?!? I thought he was Elohite, not Kyriotate ;) > oops... mind you, he is pretty good at multi-tasking :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Six ideas for Yahweh On Fri, 26 May 2000, John Karakash wrote: > Heh. An amusing thought here... Let's consider what > _could have_ been the power source that catapulted JAEG (just > another ethereal god) into the heights that He now occupies? > [Assume that pre-history memory fiddling or whatever has been > done so that the result looks like the canonical IN universe.] > > 1) There _is_ an almighty Creator . . . but it's not Yahweh. > Y'see, he found the Creator sleeping and has managed to trap > it/tap into its powers. Fun storyline: what if the Creator > begins to wake up? For an almost perfect take on this, see the first Marvel Secret Wars series. The Beholder (The Creator) summons a bunch of good guys and bad guys for his little experiment, to his universe. Dr. Doom (Yahweh) takes advantage of a distraction to get close and analyze his power. For the rest of the saga, he works on figuring out how to trap that power and use it himself - Doom, being a gadgeteer supreme comes up with a device to do it. He steals a ton of power from the others, confronts the Beholder, and reveals his special little power-suckin' device at the very end of the fight. Presto! Doom's the new God in these parts. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:05:57 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Her painted work sells at conventions, oft for obscene amounts in > auction. Leggy Babes With Attitude and Big Tits, right? I've seen her work (my brother is a fan), and I'm not impressed. Everybody who ever took an art class can draw pin-up girls that will sell at a convention. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:09:35 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Angels of places Charles Phipps wrote: > I find it unlikely that the Seraphim Council would actually grant an Angel> the word of Atlanta, GA, Disneyworld, or the like. I do have a non-canonical Archangel of Cities and Demon of Cities on my web-page, and they do nominate Word-bound Servitors with the Words of individual cities. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:13:56 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Six ideas for Yahweh "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > For an almost perfect take on this, see the first Marvel Secret Wars > series. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:29:57 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art >>Her painted work sells at conventions, oft for obscene amounts in auction. (Natch, her painted work is displayed on the website, so you can see her quality when she takes her _time_ at it. I don't always find her style to my tastes, but am usually amused by her "liquid armor" effect on some of her Leggy Babes With Attitude.)<< Since folk are choosing to express opinions on Ruth's artwork... The stuff she takes time with is marvelous. I browsed through the website last night - I didn't particularly care for the Magic stuff. But we've got one of her handcolored prints, and, after last night's jaunt in cyberspace, will probably be acquiring a couple more. Art is very much a matter of taste. Ki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:48:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art At 10:05 AM -0500 5/27/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> Her painted work sells at conventions, oft for obscene amounts in >> auction. > >Leggy Babes With Attitude and Big Tits, right? I've seen her work (my >brother is a fan), and I'm not impressed. Everybody who ever took an art >class can draw pin-up girls that will sell at a convention. I like her griffins, myself. (And some of the armor designs.) Though she does seem to get more interest than a lot of the other Leggy Babes In Armor art. (I prefer Nene Thomas' take on that style; I own no Ruth Thompson art that isn't in a GURPS book, far as I know.) I take it no one wants me to suggest to the art director that they should try to get an IN cover from her? O:> - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. But now with a computer desk! Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:25:18 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of places > I find it unlikely that the Seraphim Council would actually grant an Angel > the word of Atlanta, GA, Disneyworld, or the like. We are talking about > beings who can effectively live a few billion years here. While a angel > might believe "Rome will stand forever" or "the British Empire shall never > have the sun set upon it" or even something more religeous as "Israel is the > promised land." they are unlikely to grant such direct mortal things words. The Council grants Tether Words... they don't last forever. I don't think any Angel or Demon believes that any county is a permenant fixture I can certainly see countries and cities as having an Angel or Demon looking after them. Said celestial would then be devoted to making sure that thier AO moves more in tune with Heaven or Hell... The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:35:02 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art >>Everybody who ever took an art class can draw pin-up girls that will sell at a convention.<< Amazing. I've now found a new line of work, just from one art class. Gosh. That'd be great. 'Cept for one problem. I must have taken the wrong art class. Ki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:44:36 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) > >> But it doesn't have NOTHING to do with In Nomine. Neither would > Buddha, Jesus, the Ying/Yang, or other relgious symbols and people.<< > > All religious symbols can be worked into the game if the GM so chooses. > That doesn't mean they make good representations for IN specific dice. I have an idea! Why don't we use the Star of David? It has six points, doesn't have the upside-down/right-side-up problem, and has been viewed as a "evil/satanic" symbol for hundreds of years by good Christians all over the place seeing as how how it is one of the major symbols of the "Christ-killer's" I would say that the biggest problem with using a pentegram is that: 1: No matter what we think of the matter, there is a minority of gamers who are pagan and would probably be offended to see the use of thier major religious symbol equated with evil. And judging from the content of the list I would say that the percentage of pagan players of IN against say Champions( or whatever other flavor of RPG you choose) is probably higher. So SJG would be pissing off a portion (possibly larger than normal) of an already small market. 2: Not that IN needs any help with this matter but the Christian Fundies out there would just love to have another reason to point at the evil, satanic, etc *dice* that SJG sells and now people are using these *dice* (a game of chance and thus evil remember) to determine what evil acts they are going to perfom blah, blah, blah... IN has enough problems in the marketplace as it is, lets not make it any harder shall we? The Other David ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 2000 10:58:31 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art On Sat, 27 May 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > I take it no one wants me to suggest to the art director that they > should try to get an IN cover from her? O:> Actually, I do. Her pieces "Invictus" and "Vox Fini" are perfect for IN. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:55:41 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Love amongst the Superiors An interesting question for all you folks out there is how the various Superiors view love for themselves, their minions (with mortals and angels)....it just keeps bugging me for a reason I just can't shake for some reason. Maybe it's making In Nomine too close to "Days of our Celestial Existence" but I really am interested in this angle for my campaign. We know Eli approves of Love in all forms and a Angel falling in love with a demon is cool with him as long as he gently steers her towards the light (he'd add a "dude" in there somewhere too). I also see him as a having a few romances (mortal and immortal) if he turns out not to be God (it's a big question in my campaign) Novalis no doubt feels much the same way save with a little more dissaproval in case a vessel should happen to leave a mortal pregnant (safe sex is her motto) or vice versa. Novalis likely has been cuddling up to Jean for a while and I wouldn't doubt if they had a romance..or David..or basically anyone in heaven at some point. Andre well...as one guesses I sincerely doubt he cares one way or another what his followers do with their sex lives....it is his nature after all. However likely he would be very disturbed by any followers who truly fall in love and would personally get out the flamming sword to kill the little whore/bast***. No doubt his/her romances (if one can call them that) are passe in Hell. For a good time call Andre if you will though I don't doubt he/she is beyond personally taking up a very choice seduction be it of someone either totally pure or very dangerous (Asmodeus for instance). He/she is probably still looking to sleep with Lucifer. Lilith all in all cares not what her Lilim do as long as their happy and profitable (the former is optional). I've kinda always pictured her as Lucifer's consort so I don't know if she's actually sleeping around all that much in Heaven or in Hell as depicted in myth. (she was the enemy of young mothers and friend of young men after all)... Otherwise I'm clueless to the rest of the Superiors in In Nomine truth be told as I haven't had the chance to really get a feel for their characters yet.....I'd really appreciate some ideas for the rest of the Superiors if anyone can spare the time please...thanks. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:08:05 -0400 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> Love amongst the Superiors It's probably been done a couple thousand times, so I'll dispense with the comments I had (to avoid the wrath of the Princess) and just correct a misconception: > Novalis no doubt feels much the same way save with a little more dissaproval > in case a vessel should happen to leave a mortal pregnant (safe sex is her > motto) or vice versa. As a general rule, vessels can't get pregnant, or get anything /else/ pregnant (they're sterile). If you're wearing a vessel, and you get pregnant or impregnate someone, it probably means that the three guys in black suits standing in front of you will have Judgment IDs. (The Song of Fruition is, again as a rule, a no-no.) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:48:53 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art At 11:35 AM -0500 5/27/00, Kiara S. Legner wrote: > >>Everybody who ever took an art >class can draw pin-up girls that will sell at a convention.<< > >Amazing. I've now found a new line of work, just from one art class. > >Gosh. That'd be great. > >'Cept for one problem. I must have taken the wrong art class. Me too. Damn it -- I'm at a convention and I'm using what my art class taught me, but no one's buying my "pin up girl-alien who has metamorphesised herself into a somewhat poorly drawn chair with a bowl of fruit on it." Well, there's two more days before the auction... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:58:14 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art From: mink > Hey y'all, once more this lil shedite needs your help... > I'd like to set up an In Nomine LRP game, i've run lrps before but i cant > find any rules for lrp I.N. so if any bodt han point me in the right > direction to a freindly html with the rules i'd be mucho happyo. whereabouts in the UK? i'd be tempted to travel afield if it meant i got to smite some scummy demons in the flesh :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:57:14 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art At 12:48 PM -0400 5/27/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 10:05 AM -0500 5/27/00, David Edelstein wrote: > >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Her painted work sells at conventions, oft for obscene amounts in > >> auction. > > > >Leggy Babes With Attitude and Big Tits, right? I've seen her work (my > >brother is a fan), and I'm not impressed. Everybody who ever took an art > >class can draw pin-up girls that will sell at a convention. > >I like her griffins, myself. (And some of the armor designs.) Though >she does seem to get more interest than a lot of the other Leggy Babes >In Armor art. (I prefer Nene Thomas' take on that style; I own no >Ruth Thompson art that isn't in a GURPS book, far as I know.) Nene Thomas is good, though her loose clothing tends to have almost impossible numbers of "draping folds" on them, to the result that her pictures tend to have 'Elven noble in armor and a cloak he wadded up under his bed for six weeks then threw on without so much as a tumble-dry cycle' characters being squired by 'beautiful and wise maids wearing gowns they unfortunately had to wring out by hand for six hours, then put on.' Jennifer O'Meara did me a lovely Malakite commission, though. Beautiful wingspan. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:05:51 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art From: Patrick O'Duffy > I wrote some IN LARP rules a few years ago, which you can find here: > http://www.rpg.net/larp/in-larp.html > not bad, and i like the disturbance rules, but something struck me as a bit weird "These rules de-emphasize combat, since live-action fights aren't that interesting." ey? people trying to chop each other's heads off with swords might not be everyone's cup of tea, but i wouldn't exactly call it uninteresting IMHO, of course liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:05:54 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Angels of places From: Charles Phipps > I find it unlikely that the Seraphim Council would actually grant an Angel > the word of Atlanta, GA, Disneyworld, or the like. i don't see why not, if the angel is persuasive enough. there seem to be lots of words kicking around in canon of minor fads and the like that probably won't last more than a few decades. if these are allowed i don't see why a city, with a potential lifespan of millennia, wouldn't be liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:11:36 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial physics expertize required... From: Walter Milliken > I'd limit it to the things the "man on the street" would think of as "rock" > or strongly related to that concept (such as glass), but not necessarily > track what a scientist would call a "mineral". I think that boils down > pretty much to "inorganic materials not including water" i'd go farther than that. "anything not rocky" would pretty much do it for me. the attunement isn't some kind of pseudoscientific "phasing" power that only works on minerals, it's a miracle. miracles don't have to be logical. it doesn't matter if glass or ice are minerals as far as scientists are concerned, it's whether they fir in with david's word of stone that's important liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:12:50 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Mythic creatures and Angels From: Charles Phipps > I'm wondering what would happen if an angel during Uriel's crusade against > the Ethereals decided to hide some unicorns? one of the characters in my campaign was actually up to these sort of hijinks. pesky menunim... liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:13:31 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine From: David Edelstein > I'm still working on In Nomine/Nobilis. > get on with it or i'll set my Cossets on you liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:13:01 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Angels of places At 1:48 AM -0400 5/27/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > > >I find it unlikely that the Seraphim Council would actually grant an Angel >the word of Atlanta, GA, Disneyworld, or the like. We are talking about >beings who can effectively live a few billion years here. While a angel >might believe "Rome will stand forever" or "the British Empire shall never >have the sun set upon it" or even something more religeous as "Israel is the >promised land." they are unlikely to grant such direct mortal things words. I disagree. The War is not fought in Heaven, it is fought on Earth, for the minds and souls of humanity. The Words granted must be the ones that will give the greatest advantage in the greatest way. While that *does* mean universal concepts, it also means establishing beachheads, and seizing concepts to reinforce selflessness. So yes, I can see Angels having the Words of important places. After all, by that rationale, the Seraphim Council wouldn't ever make an Angel a Seneschal, because all places go to dust in the end. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:54:37 -0700 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art Liam Astley wrote: > not bad, and i like the disturbance rules, but something struck me as a bit > weird > > "These rules de-emphasize combat, since live-action fights aren't that > interesting." > > ey? people trying to chop each other's heads off with swords might not be > everyone's cup of tea, but i wouldn't exactly call it uninteresting I think action scenes in tabletop games are great - I love them. I also think two guys standing in a room saying "we're fighting!" is dull. Take out the physical elements of live combat, and all you have is some (rather boring) words. And you _have_ to take out the physical elements, or else people will get hurt. I'm (slowly) doing up some live ShadowRun rules for a friend. That's a game where combat is very common - and again, I'm stripping it right down and de-emphasizing action, becaue it just doesn't work in a live context. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia Stop being so fucking happy! It makes me want to puke twenty years of cigarette tar directly into your mouth! - Spider Jerusalem, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #21 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:14:30 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art "Kiara S. Legner" wrote: > 'Cept for one problem. I must have taken the wrong art class. It's not hard. Just trace a Playboy centerfold. Then paint ears and a tail on her, and call her a furry. Heh. - -David (people actually pay money for that...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:19:37 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) David Rodemaker wrote: > I have an idea! Why don't we use the Star of David? It has six points, > doesn't have the upside-down/right-side-up problem, and has been viewed as a > "evil/satanic" symbol for hundreds of years by good Christians all over the > place seeing as how how it is one of the major symbols of the > "Christ-killer's" The difference being that the Star of David has never *actually* been used in occult rituals. (Except maybe Kabbalah; I don't know much about that.) Mistaken they may be, but the pentagram IS a traditional symbol used by Satanists and would-be demonologists. It makes sense that demons and sorcerers in IN would use it. Of course that doesn't mean it actually has any power. And I agree with Kiara that it would be silly to paint it on some IN dice gratuitously. > 1: No matter what we think of the matter, there is a minority of gamers who > are pagan and would probably be offended to see the use of thier major > religious symbol equated with evil. So what? A minority of gamers are Christians who would probably be offended to see Jesus Christ used as a gaming character (particularly the way he's used in the original INS/MV game). You've punched one of my hotbuttons. If we're going wail and gnash our teeth over offending certain religions, let's be equally inoffensive to everyone (and thus utterly bland), shall we? It always seems odd to me that the complaints from Christians regarding IN have been infrequent and mild, but pagans seem to think their religion should be treated with special regard. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:41:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) At 8:19 PM -0500 5/27/00, David Edelstein wrote: >David Rodemaker wrote: > > I have an idea! Why don't we use the Star of David? It has six points, > > doesn't have the upside-down/right-side-up problem, and has been >viewed as a > > "evil/satanic" symbol for hundreds of years by good Christians all over the > > place seeing as how how it is one of the major symbols of the > > "Christ-killer's" > >The difference being that the Star of David has never *actually* been >used in occult rituals. (Except maybe Kabbalah; I don't know much about >that.) Actually, the Seal of Soloman has been used in many occult rituals, including rituals of the Golden Dawn in the nineteenth century and other hermetic rituals. The Seal is especially effective as a barrier to Demons in rituals when summoning and controlling them. And, as I'm sure you know, the Seal of Soloman's centerpiece is the Star of David. I won't even get *into* the Knights Templar.... Needless to say, I think the Star of David has a *fine* tradition in occult rituals. However, I don't think it particularly needs to be on a die, either. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:06:37 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art >>It's not hard. Just trace a Playboy centerfold. Then paint ears and a tail on her, and call her a furry. Heh. - -David (people actually pay money for that...)<< They *do*??? Hm... Maybe I've found a new source of income after all... Lessee. Where can I trace the wings from to make it an In Nomine centerfold? Ki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:22:38 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art At 10:06 PM -0500 5/27/00, Kiara S. Legner wrote: > >Lessee. Where can I trace the wings from to make it an In Nomine >centerfold? > >Ki Try the Victoria's Secret "angels" advertisements.... (Why do I feel like I've just contributed to the forces of darkness...) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:14:01 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art > "Kiara S. Legner" wrote: > > 'Cept for one problem. I must have taken the wrong art class. > > It's not hard. Just trace a Playboy centerfold. Then paint ears and a > tail on her, and call her a furry. Heh. > > -David (people actually pay money for that...) What's wrong with Playboy centerfolds? Add a pair of wings and you have a great Lilim (or Impudite of Lust... Or possibly Impudite of Technology with all that silicone) The Other David ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 2000 21:32:20 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art On Sat, 27 May 2000, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >Lessee. Where can I trace the wings from to make it an In Nomine > >centerfold? > > Try the Victoria's Secret "angels" advertisements.... I've actually gone into a VS and asked the store manager if I could buy their wing display when they finished their promotion. I received some VERY strange looks... To answer the inevitable follow-up question: yes, it was my intent to attach it to a harness to use as a halloween costume. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:44:40 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> LRP in England + Hot Fresh Art >I've actually gone into a VS and asked the store manager if I could buy >their wing >display when they finished their promotion. I received some VERY strange >looks... I just wanted the sign that said, "Angel? Devil? Be Both." Figured it'd be useful for IN demoing. Jason * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:46:05 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Ahem... http://sluggy.com/stuff/highlite.html Finally, some respect from the Net Gods on high. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:19:40 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Pentagrams (was: In Nomine Dice) >Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:19:37 -0500 > >David Rodemaker wrote: > > I have an idea! Why don't we use the Star of David? It has six points, 8 points :) jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1646 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.