From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Apr 3 20:49:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13898 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:49:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA12938 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:56:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:56:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200104040156.UAA12938@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2136 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, April 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2136 In this digest: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Some Destiny and Fate Questions Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) IN> Re: Payback's a B___ Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game Re: IN> Some Destiny and Fate Questions Re: IN> Superior Word Victory IN> Habbalite of... Flowers? Re: IN> Some Destiny and Fate Questions Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) IN> Sojourns into Hell Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Sojourns into Hell Re: IN> Superior Word Victory IN> Angel of Recruiting Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Superior Word Victory ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:45:56 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory - --On Tuesday, April 3, 2001 10:16 -0400 Eric Bertish wrote: >> Malakim all reverted back. > > What about those who fledged as Malakim, like Laurence? > I'd say cherubs - the wrath of God turned aside to protection. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Marc Bowden wrote: > --On Tuesday, April 3, 2001 10:16 -0400 Eric Bertish > > >> Malakim all reverted back. > > > > What about those who fledged as Malakim, like Laurence? > > I'd say cherubs - the wrath of God turned aside to protection. I'd instead say "Whatever Choir is appropriate". I always saw Laurence as a Seraph/Malakite, myself. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. -- Sony Vaio-PC Haiku ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:10:16 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory - -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Pee Kitty To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory > > >On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Marc Bowden wrote: > >> --On Tuesday, April 3, 2001 10:16 -0400 Eric Bertish >> >> >> Malakim all reverted back. >> > >> > What about those who fledged as Malakim, like Laurence? >> >> I'd say cherubs - the wrath of God turned aside to protection. > >I'd instead say "Whatever Choir is appropriate". I always saw Laurence as >a Seraph/Malakite, myself. Speaking of poor Laurence, he's got to be the most depressed with the way the War turned out. He didn't get to lead Heaven's armies into the final battle, his word and his Servitors are now more or less meaningless (Except as a collectible item), he has to get used to being a Seraph rather then the Malakite he's always been, and worst of all, the Archangel he fell in love with, Blandine, has gotten back with her old lover, making the chances of him someday wooing the Archangel of Dreams nil. Why, it's almost as if God had something against him... It's almost enough to make him want to fall... And somewhere in Hell, the remains of Kronos stir... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 2001 15:13:09 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Some Destiny and Fate Questions On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:51:30 -0700 Kish wrote: [binary Destiny & Fate] >It also gives at least one example of a Destiny and Fate which were mutually >exclusive--Hitler's. He could have acheived neither, but not both. i disagree: had Hitler conquered all of Europe, achieved his Third Reich, and *have been content,* he could have gone on to become an architect/artist/whatever he was aspiring to be back in Austria before he gave up in dejected despair. in that case, he would have fulfilled his Fate, but he would have gone on to achieve his Destiny as well. my question there is: does the Destiny he might have hypothetically achieved make up for the Fate he achieved? do Destinies and Fates *always* balance, to the point where reincarnation takes place every time the subject has completed both, or does one sometimes outweigh the other? -=|horsefly|=- "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." --Voltaire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:55:33 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > I'd instead say "Whatever Choir is appropriate". I always saw Laurence as > a Seraph/Malakite, myself. With a change of Word to reflect the sea change in choir, as well. Laurence Seraph archangel of Honor "The honor of the world lies in the truth of the words those on it speak." Hmmm, has a certain ring to it... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:17:51 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Moe wrote: <> Anybody else ever read "Villains by Neccessity" by Eve Forward? It describes a fantasy world where things have turned out like this. Of course, the main characters are the few remaining villains who go on a quest to bring evil back into the world. Something that would make a perfect campaign. The PCs are moderately powerful hold-out demons who try to bring evil back. Given that the War faction is rusty and many Archangels are busy with other things, there's a lot of things that they could do before Heaven got serious (or competent) about stopping them. By then, they could have succeeded in their goal. Besides, I can see Kobal sliding up to Novalis in the Glade, giving her a wedgie (they have to be bloomers, as someone else on the list mentioned), going "Fooled you, too!" and then dropping to Hell, as everything goes back to the way it was. Except Beleth's always been a Djinn. Her hate of humanity is to show that she doesn't care about Blandine. Didn't you know? Sam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:40:46 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Samovar3@aol.com wrote: > The PCs are moderately powerful hold-out demons who try to bring evil back... Led by bits of Malphas. Cheers, Ryan, who will occaisionally acknowledge the existence of other Superiors, but isn't too happy about them ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Man, you weren't kidding about blindingly bright, were you? I love Kobal's line, though. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:43:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) At 11:08 AM -0800 3/23/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >*Never cared much for Marion Zimmer Bradley, I'm afraid. Hey, be nice! She accepted my first published work for her 7th _Sword & Sorceress_ anthology! But I have a feeling that while I adore-adore-adore some of her books, her better talents were as an editor. So I hereby nominate her as a Saint of Archives. O:> (Yes, yes, I'm slogging through things I skipped over earlier. So ignore me. O:> ) (reads further. long pause.) Please someone, tell me that putting Andre Norton on the list is wrong... [Side note: I've always known that she was female. For the longest time, I thought "Andre" was a female name.] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:30:14 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Payback's a B___ > Adri was originally one of the >> few Mercurians who served the Angel of Vengeance when "Vengeance" was >> still a Word that fell under Dominic's >jurisdiction (currently, >> Gabriel herself embodies most of the Word and there is no actual "Angel >> of Vengeance"). > > Peliel, Malakite Colonel of the Sword and Angel of Righteous Vengeance. > Superiors 1, p. 74. (Also mentioned in APG and Revelations 1). Yeah, just pull a quote from the one In Nomine book I don't have (simply because the cover makes Michael look like he should be on a romance novel) :) Fine :) Adri can be a fallen servitor of Peliel. Maybe she just wasn't quite 'righteous' enough for Laurence. Kobal could even stick her up as a way for Hell to twist revenge into something dark, nasty, and ironic. In our own world, 'Payback' could even be an up and coming Word, close to being able to take out much earlier incarnations of vengeance. And, like all Impudites of Dark Humor, Adri gets essence for every stunt she pulls, so she is definately racking it up. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:34:27 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > (reads further. long pause.) Please someone, tell me that putting > Andre Norton on the list is wrong... [Side note: I've always known > that she was female. For the longest time, I thought "Andre" was a > female name.] I *think* it's still wrong. Last I heard, she was still with us. Check out www.andre-norton.org, where there is a biographical note dated October 21, 2000, with a little comment on the top by Ms. Norton herself. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:40:54 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) >I *think* it's still wrong. Last I heard, she was still with us. >Check out www.andre-norton.org, where there is a biographical >note dated October 21, 2000, with a little comment on the top >by Ms. Norton herself. > >Earl Andre Norton, immortalized forever as the first person to write a novel based on a role-playing. "We've alway been under seige. The 'Real World' keep shoving us into cornors - -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:47:36 -0500 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game Disclaimer: As fun as it might be to get totaly plastered please drink responsably, and don't drink and drive okay. Well I am asuming y'all know what a drinking game is so here we go: Everytime in a Game that: A Habbalite insists that he's an angel: 2 drinks A Seraph encounters a paticulary mundane flasehood in mortal society and goes totaly balistic: 1 Drink A servitor of Flowers approaches a demon about Redemption: 1 Drink - - It is clear he ain't intrested: 2 Drinks - - Novalite gets away with losing Body Hits: 3 Drinks - - It was a Calabite: CTWFB* *Chug the Whole *Expletive* bottle Have more but I think I'll let others add if so inclined. Drinking and RPing do they Mix? Brad _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:47:48 -0500 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game Disclaimer: As fun as it might be to get totaly plastered please drink responsably, and don't drink and drive okay. Well I am asuming y'all know what a drinking game is so here we go: Everytime in a Game that: A Habbalite insists that he's an angel: 2 drinks A Seraph encounters a paticulary mundane flasehood in mortal society and goes totaly balistic: 1 Drink A servitor of Flowers approaches a demon about Redemption: 1 Drink - - It is clear he ain't intrested: 2 Drinks - - Novalite gets away with losing Body Hits: 3 Drinks - - It was a Calabite: CTWFB* *Chug the Whole *Expletive* bottle Have more but I think I'll let others add if so inclined. Drinking and RPing do they Mix? Brad _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:24:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Some Destiny and Fate Questions At 3:13 PM +0000 4/3/01, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > my question there is: does the Destiny he might have hypothetically >achieved make up for the Fate he achieved? do Destinies and Fates *always* >balance, to the point where reincarnation takes place every time the subject >has completed both, or does one sometimes outweigh the other? Since the concept behind fate/destiny tends to be "the extremes that the person _can_ achieve," I see no reason why destiny and fate should have to be "equal," certainly in the short term. (In the long term, maybe they always are _exactly_ equal; but then, that's so far into ineffable territory that you can't be sure of finding your way back with a map and an Ofanite on a leash.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Pedersen Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Hey, remember that thing Charlemagne (I think) > suggested about what the world would look like if > one > Superior won, more or less? > > Well, this is what I came up with in that line. > > More or less. :) > > Anyway, it's blindingly Bright, [snip] Lord, yes, it was. And in a really good way, too. Thanks, Moe, you just improved my day a _lot_. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:02:22 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Habbalite of... Flowers? When Elohim Fall, they maintain the belief that they're angels. When *some* Elohim Fall, it's only logical that some of them attempt to maintain their service to "their Archangel." Of course, the first service any Archangel would demand of the new Habbalite is that they Redeem. Which is foolish, of course -- God so clearly wants the angel in his new state. Doubtless their brethren of the higher Choir follow this logic to a resonable conclusion and simply take service with an appropriate Demon Prince. This is fine, since naturally the ends will always justify a Habbalite's divinely-inspired means. Nevertheless, these particular Habbalah must persevere, even if it requires subterfuge, and serve the Archangel they are drawn to, regardless of whether the poor limited angel can actually make them Hearts or not. At first, the pretense is simple. Simply avoid Heaven and maintain your coporeal duties. Even when Judgment comes around with a Seraph, Elohite or Malakite, the Habbalah can clearly state that they're still angels faithfully serving their Archangel, feel no particular guilt over their recent actions, and have acted honorably in line with their own codes. Of course, those nastily perceptive ones can worm out the Truth anyway, which is bothersome. So they take flight, and present themselves to another portion of their Archangel's organization, and eventually they get caught there too. What to do, what to do? How can they continue to serve and yet keep their secret... ! Enter Alaemon. He has a number of these Habbalah, which are even loosely organized as a group whose name in Helltongue translates as "They Who Choose to Serve in Secret." When one of them approaches his organization, or is found by them, he offers them exactly what they wish. Through his demons' expertise at keeping secrets, they can funnel orders and directives through filters from the angelic hierarchy to the Habbalah, so that they may serve their Archangel yet. In reality, of course, the Habbalite is pumped for any intelligence knowledge he has, and this is added to Alaemon's own data, whereupon a team is sent to establish a supposed "deep cover operative" with a local group of the Archangel's Servitors, if at all possible. A Balseraph represents himself as a contact for a deep cover agent, presents the necessary signs for his organization, and gets backed up by such manipulation as can be provided by Shedim, Habbalah, or Impudites. With any luck, the local agents believe what's going on and Alaemon gets another stream of data for as long as he can maintain the subterfuge. One happy Habbalah joins his service, it's trivially easy to switch orders coming through the "contact" when he wants the Habbalite to do something, and if the deception ever breaks, then by this time his agents should have plenty of material around to keep the Habbalite working for the Conspiracy. Asmodeus is a little peeved that Habbalah are occasionally assigned to clearly Heavenly missions, but Kronos calms him. First, they're *Habbalah*; the means by which they do their jobs often turn the mission to a long-term gain for Hell anyway; and second, if you think long-term, the whole setup is so unstable that eventually the Habbalite is working for Hell openly anyway. Really, it's a win-win situation. William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:12:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Some Destiny and Fate Questions Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > but then, that's so far into ineffable > territory that you can't be sure of finding your way back with a map > and an Ofanite on a leash. Now THERE'S an interesting mental image. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:13:19 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) >Please someone, tell me that putting Andre >Norton on the list is wrong... [Side note: I've always known that she >was female. For the longest time, I thought "Andre" was a female name.] She's very old, in her nineties. I haven't heard, but it may be right. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:21:15 -0400 From: TJ Howell Subject: IN> Sojourns into Hell So I'm writing this scenario, and I want to do something different. I want some angels go into hell and retrieve a stolen relic. Has anybody done a "into Hell" scenario before and care to give some tips? Some ideas I had to handle logistics were - having a Lilim guide (working off a particulary nasty Geas), having a relic that allowed the angels to disguise their true forms (experimental, of course), and allowing angels (pregens) to know the Demonic tongue (they get dissonance, of course, if they lie with it, but that's what the Lilim's for, right?). Also, how do folks handle appearances in Hell. The books seem to indicate that demonic forms (as shown in the main rulebook) are what demons appear as, but much of the artwork shows the variety one normally associates with Demons. TJ Howell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:55:58 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory I'm not convinced that Malakim who changed at the Fall would have to change back at all. The idea of their continuing as "angels of Honor," like the fledged Malakim, is much better. And I definitely don't think Malakim as a choir would turn into Cherubim or Seraphim. And if, at the time of the War's end, there were still relievers, they would probably continue to fledge into Malakim in the same percentage as before. Janet Anderson (And besides, if there were no Malakim after the war, think of the disappointment of all those Bright Lilim.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:58:39 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory - -----Original Message----- From: Samovar3@aol.com To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory >Moe wrote: > ><Everybody's happy, back where they belong, the Higher >Heavens are accessible again. Lots of entities >thought dead and gone forever are - well, back. Uriel >is in the process of apologizing to every unicorn and >dragon that he ever slaughtered. Blandine and Beleth >rebuilt their Tower, then promptly locked the door >behind them and took the phone off the hook for >several hundred years. Michael has been asleep with a >huge grin on his face for nearly that long. The >Malakim all reverted back. The Grigori have returned, >none the worse for their exile. In short, it's no >place that anyone would want to run a game in, but >nobody involved is complaining. > >It's all good.>> > >Anybody else ever read "Villains by Neccessity" by Eve Forward? It describes a fantasy world where things have turned out like this. Of course, the main characters are the few remaining villains who go on a quest to bring evil back into the world. > >Something that would make a perfect campaign. > >The PCs are moderately powerful hold-out demons who try to bring evil back. Given that the War faction is rusty and many Archangels are busy with other things, there's a lot of things that they could do before Heaven got serious (or competent) about stopping them. By then, they could have succeeded in their goal. Which leads me to my own post, which I've been thinking up all afternoon. Better be warned, though. Just as Moe's post was Bright, mine's rather Dark... Novalis had brought peace back to the Cosmos. All the Demons in Hell had redeemed and gone back to Heaven. All was right with the Symphony. At least, that was the theory. As Laurence stood in his office, most of his military paraphanelia already loaded up in boxes, he began to ponder a world at Peace, and his place in it. And what he pondered didn't feel quite right to him. Unlike Michael and David, he was young. Too young to remember a Heaven not at war with Hell. A Heaven which had no need of warriors. He had never known a Heaven which had no place for Malakites. He took a good long look at his body, the body of a Golden winged Seraph, which he had gained at the end of the war. It didn't feel the same, dispite Uriel's assurance that he would get used to it. He missed his black wings. This body just felt... Fragile. Weak. Wrong. Wrong. That was the only word that kept coming to mind to Laurence. This... Victory had come without a war, without a battle, without even a sword being drawn... He had done absolutely nothing during that parody of Armageddon that had been the redemption of Lucifer. Laurence frowned at that memory. Why? Why hadn't God sent him in to fight? Wasn't he the Sword of God? Wasn't he meant to fight Evil in God's name? Why hadn't he been given the chance to fight? Couldn't he at least have been given something brave to do? Not that his fellow Archangels really cared... Novalis had tried to encourage Laurence to take up other activities, but even an Archangel can only take so many Macrame and Bonzai tending lessons. Michael had tried to get him interested in sports, but his Heart wasn't really in it. And Blandine... He loved Blandine, he really did. And, perhaps, maybe he would've one day had the chance to woo her. But Beleth came back. She, who had walked right out of Heaven in the first place, stomping on Blandine's Heart in the process, she who was unworthy of The Lady of Dream's attentions, had just crawled back to Heaven, begging for mercy, and was simply given it! He, who was ready to die for Blandine, didn't even get so much as a smile from Blandine, and suddenly Blandine was ready to love Beleth without question again? It was just WRONG, dammit... it was as if God was punishing him for something... But when had Laurence done anything to earn punishment? Had he not comitted his life to the Holy War? Had he not been ready to Die for God? Had he not been Heaven's most honorable warrior, it's shining Paladin? Didn't he deserve SOMETHING for his unwavering loyalty to God? As Laurence turned towards the mirror, he looked at his Golden wings again, and glared at them. He missed his glossy black wings. These golden feathers were so... pretentious. he closed his eyes and wondered why God hadn't let him keep his malakite wings, at least. Then he looked again, and saw his golden feathers fall, deep black feathers remaining underneath them. The former Malakite blinked once, then twice, and folded up his wings to look and touch them directly, and he saw it was true; his wings were shedding their Golden feathers, midnight black feathers growining in their place. Could it be..? Yes... God had only changed his outward appearance, but he could not change his true nature... Malakite he had always been, and Malakite he would always be! But wait... If there was now Peace, why would Malakites remain? Unless... He was the one who was meant to continue the War... For a good moment, Laurence looked at his reflection in the mirror, then turned to look at his heart... The Disturbance that accompanied the shattering of a Heart was something Heaven had not heard since the Fall itself. And as it echoed throughout Heaven, all within felt terror in their souls at the implication. Michael, Lucifer and Novalis had been the first to arrive at the Halls of Worship, followed by Blandine, Beleth and the other Archangels... They had arrived just in time to see Laurence step out, obviously changed... Laurence was in armor, but where once his armor was a mix of platinum white and bright gold, his new armor was dull black and rust red. Vulture-like wings flowed behind him like a dark cape, and his hands clutched around a dark, jagged sword like claws around a snake. His long, matted hair hung down his face like a cowl, and from behind it his eyes burned a bright red. He looked at the gathered Archangels, and spoke out with a dark voice, saying "Step Aside..." For a solid minute, all of Heaven stood still, silently, until finally Novalis was the first to speak with a broken voice, her eyes filled with tears of fear and sadness; "Laurence... What... what have you done?" Laurence stared at her with eyes filled with contempt, and spat out, "I did the only thing I could still do... God has rejected me... I was his Sword, his Knight... And he tossed me out like mere garbage as soon as I was uneeded!" He opened his wings, flinging black feathers all over the place, which burned as soon as they touched the ground of Heaven. "...So be It! If God wants me not, I want no part of God anymore!" Michael finally got over the shock and stepped forward, pushing the stunned Novalis behind him in a protective reflex, before turning to Laurence, his old pupil. "Laurence... I know you don't mean what you're saying... Kid... You're lying to yourself..." He fought back the tears as he understood what was happening to the young Superior. "...It doesn't have to be this way... You know we can find a place for you amongst us..." Before Laurence could reply to his former mentor, Lucifer was the third to step forward, arms extended. "Laurence... Listen to me... I know what you're going through... I know better then most... Don't do this to yourself." Laurence simply growled and swung his blade in front of him, forcing Michael and Lucfier to back off. "Don't you DARE touch me, either of you! You know Nothing of what I'm going through!" He pointed his blade at Michael and growled at the Firstborn, "Your word encompasses Victory, of any kinds! You know nothing of what I'm going through!" He then turned to Lucifer, still pointing the blade accusingly. "And you... Lightbringer... I was made to FIGHT you, not stand alongside you..." Laurence then clutched his blade and closed his eyes, sighing softly before saying "I was made to be God's Knight... And a Knight I shall remain!" He then opened his eyes again and looked at all the Host gathered before them, and added. "If I am not to be Galahad, I shall be Mordred, then! And I shall dedicate myself to the fall of Heaven's Camelot!" Uriel finally stepped forward, and called out. "Laurence! How dare you say such a thing!? What of your vows!?" Laurence spat in the direction of he who was like a father to him, and snarled "My Vows? I have had no vows since I became a bloody Seraph! I am no longer bound by any Oaths... But if you insist, I shall make some NEW vows!" He pointed his blade at Uriel and called out "I Vow not to Rest until I have tainted the Purity of God, and brought Corruption back into the Symphony!" He then turned to Lucifer, still pointing his blade, calling out. "I Vow to Quell the Light of Heaven, and to condemn the Symphony to Eternal Blackness!" He then pointed his blade to Michael, and called out: "I Vow Never to Surrender to Heaven until my Forces have been scattered to the furthest corners of the Symphony!" He finally pointed his blade to Novalis, smirking as he finally added "I Vow Never to Redeem, nor to suffer the Redemption of Others, no matter the Reason." Laurence finally turned to look at Blandine, cradled in Beleth's arms, but lowered his blade, not adding anything more, before turning back to the collective Host. "The War WILL start again. Even if I'm Hell's only warrior, I shall not rest until I've vanquished all of Heaven... " He raised his sword and struck the floor underneath him, shattering it to reveal the scorched Pits of Hell underneath. As he and the other Celestials hovered over the black pit, Laurence dove down into it, yelling "SO VOWS THE PRINCE OF BLADES!!" As she saw Laurence plunge down into Hell, away from God, Novalis could only fall on her knees and start crying... and soon, all of Heaven joined her in sadness... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:10:19 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory From: "Rolland Therrien" > > The Disturbance that accompanied the shattering of a Heart was something > Heaven had not heard since the Fall itself. And as it echoed throughout > Heaven, all within felt terror in their souls at the implication. I woul dhave had Laurence's Cathedral shatter also, but that's just because it makes the mental pictures even more disturbing. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:51:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sojourns into Hell At 5:21 PM -0400 4/3/01, TJ Howell wrote: >Also, how do folks handle appearances in Hell. The books seem to >indicate >that demonic forms (as shown in the main rulebook) are what demons >appear as, but >much of the artwork shows the variety one normally associates with >Demons. Go by the text, for the most part; some of the artists... Well, let's say that they hear, "Angels and demons" and draw... things that do not necessarily have any bearing on what the artists-guide I once wrote has to say on the matter. However, you can justify a lot of the discrepancies with the three Ds: Discord. Demonlings. Djinn. (And the occasional Minor Choir Which Has Not Been Detailed But The GM Has Made Up Stats For.) The other method, natch, is to explain that what you "see" in Hell (or Heaven, for that matter) is not necessarily "seen" in the way that corporeal eyes can view things. A Balseraph, for example, may choose to manifest the appearance of its vessel when doing something that it thinks hands will be good for. It is now simultaneously a six-eyed snake with batwings, AND whatever its vessel looks like. Angels are more pure about this, and the double-image is pure in both forms (though the human form often does have the wings); demons are entirely likely to mix and match (with their fractured, broken self-images, you see) so that a Balseraph might not bother with the legs of its human seeming and look rather naga- like. And then there's the image of "I'm Going To Hell," the Lilim of Gambling Debts and prizewinning race horse. Ever see a green, horned horse with bracelets? Combine to your heart's content. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:40:04 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory - -----Original Message----- From: Janet Anderson To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory >I'm not convinced that Malakim who changed at the Fall would have to change >back at all. The idea of their continuing as "angels of Honor," like the >fledged Malakim, is much better. If Malakim remained after the War, then Laurence might feel a bit more comfortable with the way the War Ended. He'd still be himself, after all. >Janet Anderson >(And besides, if there were no Malakim after the war, think of the >disappointment of all those Bright Lilim.) Ok, just to prove to you all I'm not entirely dark and depressive, Here's a cute little idea: Beleth, instead of becoming the Angel of Holy Fear again, becomes the Angel of Facing Fears, of Courage. Beleth, Angel of Courage, reunites with Blandine, Archangel of Dreams. They decide to reignite the old flame, and spend a few days alone in their Tower... ...Then Blandine start talking about that handsome young Malakite who's been after her for the past century or so, and Beleth, now admiring courage, agrees he is kinda hunky... Next thing you know, Laurence gets called into the Tower for a proposition, and sees Blandine and Beleth sitting on their couch... A few days later, He's suddenly feeling a lot better about this new Peaceful Future... - -Exit the LoneWolf (Enjoy the mental Image...) ^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:19:34 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: IN> Angel of Recruiting Ahrionel has served the word of War for a long time, even by Celestial standards. True, he was fledged as a Cherub almost two centuries after the Fall, but he's gained a great deal of experience in that time. He doesn't quite know how he first began to be able to sense 6 forces in a human to whom he had attuned. Servants of Destiny deny any involvement. He simply discovered once that he could. Once Michael realized that Yves wasn't messing with one of his servants, he was pleased. Michael knows the value of human servants, especially Soldiers. "Ahrie" was teamed up with two other angels of War (Raniel, an Ofanite, and Lanus, a Malakite) and sent to prowl earth in search of recruits. He learned fairly quickly -after a few headaches- not to simply attune and break, but to watch for signs that someone might have that extra spark. He also began to learn the Songs of Healing after nearly losing a Soldier to a mundane illness.*** His count is over 100 now, he either does not remember or will not admit to an exact number. Michael was impressed enough to grant him the Word of Recruiting* just over a century ago. In modern times he tends to work alone, although he has several Soldiers and even the occasional young angel to assist in his worldwide search. Over the centuries, some of his finds have later fledged into Saints, Relievers, and even grafted to dying angels to become Angels themselves.** Ahrionel, Angel of Recruiting Cherub of War, Master of Valor Forces: Corp: 5 Eth: 5 Cel: 5 Str: 11 Ag: 9 Int: 9 Pre: 11 Will: 10 Per: 10 Songs: Charm (Corp.) 6 Entropy (Cel) 4 Harmony (Cel) 4 Healing (Corp) 3, (Eth) 2, (Cel) 2 Numinous Corpus: Holy Water 4 Shields (Corp) 5 Tongues (Corp) 4, (Cel) 3 Skills: Dodge 5 Driving 2 Fighting (boxing) 5 Ranged weapon: medium crossbow 4 Ranged weapon: pistol 3 Small weapon: dagger 4 Tactics 3 Attunements: Cherub of War, Elohite of War, Howl, Precision: med. crossbow Special Rites: Bring a Soldier to full awareness of the Symphony and the War, and convince them to join Heaven's forces (of their own free will) : 3 Essence * I can't quite decide, after 13 hours of work, but "Recruitment" may also be appropriate. Shameless plugs: ** http://home.earthlink.net/~aekilgore/Ainel.html ***http://home.earthlink.net/~aekilgore/finnel.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:48:12 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory I dunno. I know that angels do not have marriage, and do not need to stick to one spouse, but since Laurence is a Catholic, a romantic, and sees things in terms of black and white, I think that he would not react well to a threesome. >From: "Rolland Therrien" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:40:04 -0400 > >Next thing you know, Laurence gets called into the Tower for a proposition, >and sees Blandine and Beleth sitting on their couch... > >A few days later, He's suddenly feeling a lot better about this new >Peaceful _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:48:16 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory I dunno. I know that angels do not have marriage, and do not need to stick to one spouse, but since Laurence is a Catholic, a romantic, and sees things in terms of black and white, I think that he would not react well to a threesome. >From: "Rolland Therrien" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:40:04 -0400 > >Next thing you know, Laurence gets called into the Tower for a proposition, >and sees Blandine and Beleth sitting on their couch... > >A few days later, He's suddenly feeling a lot better about this new >Peaceful _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2136 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.