From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 6 11:44:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13135 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:44:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA27527 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:50:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:50:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200104061650.LAA27527@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2141 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2141 In this digest: IN> Re: Qing-ming Re: IN> Questions from a newbie IN> Waah. Re: IN> Waah. Re: IN> Thought Experiment Re: IN> Questions from a newbie Re: IN> Questions from a newbie IN> April 3, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game Re: IN> Waah. IN> Question on April 6, 2001... IN> April 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Questions from a newbie Re: IN> Question on April 6, 2001... Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game IN> Rules Question - artifacts Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game Re: IN> Rules Question - artifacts IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) IN> Fwd: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Cameron McCurry ] Re: IN> Questions from a newbie Re: IN> Re: Qing-ming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:51:59 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Qing-ming >> > Tomb Sweeping Day. It means something special to the Chinese. Don't >> > know what, and don't really care. >> >> Too bad, because I feel like telling you. ;) It's the day when they make >> a point of cleaning the tombs of their dead family members. Well, yeah, in the same way that Christmas is about the birth of Jesus (which, in popular culture, it isn't). If it's the same holiday that I'm thinking about, it's actually called Qing-ming, the "Clear and Bright" Festival and "Tomb Sweeping Day" is just a basic description of a part of it. It'd be like calling Christmas "Decorated Tree Day," basically. Qing-ming is a really, really ancient holy day that comes out of the millenia-old practice of ancestor veneration. All the family gathers together in the home town or native villiage and together they go up to the graves of their ancestors (not just a few generations back, either, but as far back as they have records). Besides just "sweeping" the graves, they make offerings of dumpings, wine, incense, hell money (neat stuff, that), and other things. It's also a holiday that's closely associated with ghosts and spirits (as one might expect), especially in places like Fengdu, the little city on the Yangtze river where the dead begin their journey to Hell. Like most Chinese holidays, Qing-ming crosses all religious lines. Buddhists, Taoists, atheists, agnostics, Communists, revolutionaries, and everyone else still has ancestors that they have to pay respects to. So basically, I was disappointed that none of y'all came up with a decent senario hook involving Chinese ghosts or Saints or Bodhisattvas or something like that. Come on, I mean _hell money_ in itself would make a good minor artifact of some sort. > Hate to tick off the Chinese. There's so damn MANY of them, after > all... :) And, more importantly ... they got nuke. Just adding a little maturity to this discussion ;) Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:16:10 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie >Okay, I should probably know these things but I wanna ask anyways =) Dunno about the first one, but: >2) What are the exact rules for creating a new vessel after one is >destroyed? Can you do it with just essence to recreate a vessel or do >you need to blow character points? If you're an Ethereal, you can use Essence from your special cache, the one that's used only for creating Vessels. If you're any other celestial, you have to blow the character points -- probably the game effect is "Well, you've done enough good for us to earn this Vessel, but there go your brownie points." The special case is Limbo, where any celestial can, and in fact must, make a Vessel just to escape. >3) What are the powers of those in the middle of the celestial chain of >command? For example, my character is being groomed to become the angel >of Women in Unarmed Combat. She works for the Angel of Women in combat >who works for Michael. Who do I get my rites from and Attunments from? >Michael, her or both? Both, presuming your character is Michaelite herself. Your character has access to Michael's Basic Rites, her Choir's Attunement for Michael, and any Servitor Attunements, other Rites, or War Choir Attunements Michael may care to hand out. Furthermore, the Angel of Women in Combat probably has a special Rite and a Word ability that she can hand out if she thinks your character has earned them. She'll be less likely to do so than Michael, however, since the Rite takes away Essence from *her*, and she has a lot less to spare than Michael. ;^) >-- >----------------| Michal Sampson |---------------- >\... | sampma03@wfu.edu | .../ > \..... | http://www.sampy.com | ...../ > \.....| |...../ Nice .sig art. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Waah. Hey, it's fluff. _I_ think that it makes a certain amount of sense: however, there is apparently a certain amount of emprical evidence that would suggest that I am, in fact, barking mad. To which I say, "Woof. Woof." :) Moe Idzknot-Fehr Ethereal God of Whines Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 4 Agility: 12 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 4 Perception: 12 Vessel: Whiney little git/6, Charisma -2 Skills: Dodge/6, Fighting/1, Knowledge (the Marches/1, the Tsayadim/1), Running/6 Songs: Dreams (All/1), Motion (Celestial/6), Tongues (Ethereal/6) I'm sorry. That isn't a typo. This sorry excuse for an ethereal is the god of Whining. I know that it's a bit hard to get one's head around the fact that humanity could be said to worship this miserable little specimen, but the facts have to be faced. Most humans have whined at least once in their lives. Many, many, many people do it all the time. Nobody actually likes whiners, so there's some question about why they do it. The answer is actually fairly simple: every whiner secretly believes that somewhere, out there, is something that's listening to their perfectly justified complaints about how the universe is being totally inconsiderate by not constantly rearranging itself to suit the whiner's every whim. This is where Idzknot-Fehr comes in. He does listen (considering that whining is a worship Rite to him, it's not too surprising). He listens constantly. Idzknot-Fehr can't shut off the continuous roar of 'prayers' to him, in fact. Nobody cares about that, of course: nobody understands that he never asked to be the God of Whines. Sure, it keeps him in Essence, especially these days, but it's just not worth it. But nobody wants to take the time to listen to his perfectly-justified complaints about how the universe is being totally inconsiderate... Sorry. Anyway, Idzknot-Fehr has precisely one thing going for him: he's effectively indestructible. This has been tested, in fact: when the Tsayadim took up residence in the Marches, he was one of the first ethereals that they targeted. They tracked him down and easily killed the ethereal. He came back. They killed him again. He came back again. They kept killing him, and he kept coming back (on one occasion, before they were quite finished killing them. Idzknot-Fehr complained about the resulting headache for ... actually, he's still complaining about it). Eventually, they got the point: the only way to get rid of the ethereal would be to get the human race to stop whining all the time. Good luck on that happening anytime soon. Besides, the obnoxious little twit was effectively harmless, provided that one could stop up one's ears to ignore his constant, endless whining... Well, the Tsayadim still kill him, from time to time, but only for good reasons (like, say, to test the edge of a new sword). They sort of find him useful, in fact: sometimes they need to send a message to a pantheon, and Idzknot-Fehr at least knows where all the major dreamscapes are. They don't have to take safety into consideration when sending him out, either: considering that the only messages that a Tsayadim would deign to send to an ethereal are all variations of "All your Tether now belong to us. Hahahahah!", this is a nice bonus. The odd thing is why Idzknot-Fehr goes along with it (he's very good at running away). Either he's the Platonic Ideal of Masochism, or he's hoping that someone will finally be able to permanently kill him, or (probably) both. Alas, nobody seems to have managed to get rid of him: considering the levels of power available in the three planes, and the fact that nobody likes this ethereal at all, surely somebody would be able to get rid of this pathetic bastard. I mean, what does it take to get rid of one ethereal? Doesn't anybody care? Really, sometimes the universe seems to go out of its way to be totally inconsiderate of everyone's feelings... Sorry. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:51:21 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Waah. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: IN> Waah. [snip] > I mean, what does it take to get rid of one ethereal? > Doesn't anybody care? Really, sometimes the universe > seems to go out of its way to be totally inconsiderate > of everyone's feelings... > > Sorry. You. Must. Die. NOW. You. Hideous. Mind. Twisting. Incredibly. Sadistic. Bastard!!! *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Thought Experiment Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:15:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Thought Experiment At 6:34 AM -0700 4/5/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >>What happens then? > >Fnord! > >[Well, I'd figure you basically have the counterpart >to Rex here, actually. Assuming you caught the Forces >while they still had enough Nybassness on them to >count, you've now got a child-clone, as like to >Nybbas as a Bright Lilim might be to Mom...] > >He'll probably look like dad. O:> (Examining other posts, most of which were pretty much variations on this theme, with a variable 'disaster for Heaven' setting) Hmm. I guess that the various aboves _are_ the most likely outcomes. Completely different than the answer I came up with on the train ride _home_ (the original scenario pretty much occupied my brain during my morning commute), though...* Moe *I sat there, trying to get some sleep, and my subconscious finally ambushed me with what _it_ had been working out all day. Essentially, my take on it would be that possibly the Symphony itself would get confused about which conglomeration of Forces was the Archangel, and which was the Demon Prince. Same essential flavor of Forces, similar power levels, and guaranteed massive Word-Friction, after all. So, assuming that outcome, you'd get two entities that were rapidly, independently and constantly shifting from one end of the Divine / Infernal spectrum to the other. Eventually, they'd intersect... Boom. But then, I like weird. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:16:53 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie >>Okay, I should probably know these things but I wanna ask anyways =) > >Dunno about the first one, but: > >>2) What are the exact rules for creating a new vessel after one is >>destroyed? Can you do it with just essence to recreate a vessel or do >>you need to blow character points? > >If you're an Ethereal, you can use Essence from your special cache, the one >that's used only for creating Vessels. If you're any other celestial, you >have to blow the character points -- probably the game effect is "Well, >you've done enough good for us to earn this Vessel, but there go your >brownie points." The special case is Limbo, where any celestial can, and >in fact must, make a Vessel just to escape. It's really DM option whether or not to charge for a new vessel (although certainly if it's a better one it should be earned). Superiors may not always appreciate having a Servitor lose a vessel, but unless they lost it through blatant incompetence they'll probably get a new one relatively quickly (if sacrificed for an important mission, almost certainly so). The Superior isn't getting much use out of them while they're moping around Heaven, after all. And it IS a war; the occasional loss is kind of par for the course, especially for Malakim. And in out-of-game terms, of course, it isn't much fun for a player to sit around because he can't afford a vessel right now. But of course, nothing says that the Superior might not need to make "cutbacks" in vessel allocation at the moment and can only offer a gerbil vessel (or sticks the Celestial with the Bound Discord to make sure they appreciate their new form a little better this time...). >>3) What are the powers of those in the middle of the celestial chain of >>command? For example, my character is being groomed to become the angel >>of Women in Unarmed Combat. She works for the Angel of Women in combat >>who works for Michael. Who do I get my rites from and Attunments from? >>Michael, her or both? > >Both, presuming your character is Michaelite herself. Your character has >access to Michael's Basic Rites, her Choir's Attunement for Michael, and >any Servitor Attunements, other Rites, or War Choir Attunements Michael may >care to hand out. Furthermore, the Angel of Women in Combat probably has a >special Rite and a Word ability that she can hand out if she thinks your >character has earned them. She'll be less likely to do so than Michael, >however, since the Rite takes away Essence from *her*, and she has a lot >less to spare than Michael. ;^) Do Rites take Essence away from the giver? According to the GM's Guide it draws on the Essence of the Word-Bound's Superior, unless you're an Outcast/Renegade (pg. 27). Still, she would have to trust you since misuse of her Rite could harm her Word, which she would probably fear worse than a little Essence loss. - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:06:12 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie >It's really DM option whether or not to charge for a new vessel (although >certainly if it's a better one it should be earned). 'S a good point. I mean, the principle's there, but unless it was thorough incompetence or it happens frequently (and for Malakim, even this one's lenient), I can see a "discount" or a simple replacement, especially if the player missed game due to Trauma or the death on a particular mission was deemed rather likely. ("Ah, Yakznoth, I see you're out of Trauma. Yes, the suicide bomb did its job effectively. Here, have a Vessel.") >Do Rites take Essence away from the giver? According to the GM's Guide it >draws on the Essence of the Word-Bound's Superior, unless you're an >Outcast/Renegade (pg. 27). Still, she would have to trust you since misuse >of her Rite could harm her Word, which she would probably fear worse than a >little Essence loss. (p. 15, G:IN) Referring to Rites that a Word-Bound below Superior level may give out: "...but any time that Rite is used, the energy is taken from *his own* Essence!" (All emphasis in the original text.) >-- >Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 3, 2001 (ML) Crikey, the Rev got there first: I had to come up with something else. No loss: I liked his version better, anyway. :) Moe Followers of Ma'at Every group has its rebels and conspirators: is it any surprise that Sorcerers are no exception? Hatiphas would very much like to root out the Followers of Ma'at, root and branch, but she's had little success. She's lucky that she can keep knowledge of the movement from being common knowledge. She's aided in this, amusingly enough, by the very nature of the Followers: they don't Summon demons. In fact, they avoid doing so like the plague. The central tenet of the Followers of Ma'at is that the traditional view of the Cacophony held by most Sorcerers is fundamentally flawed. Granted, this isn't precisely news to most celestials, but it is to Sorcerers: somehow, knowledge of the True nature of the Symphony has been acquired and institutionalized. This fact has the potential to be even worse than the Dozen actually existing, from Hell's point of view. The Circles that follow the teachings of Ma'at are somewhat more palatable than groups that do not. They still remain supremely egotistical (you can't be a Sorcerer without a strong sense of self), but they have a valuable sense of perspective that ordinary sorcerers lack. This makes them cautious, careful, and quietly terrified of attracting attention from celestials from either side. Followers of Ma'at do tend to work extensively with ethereals, however: the Heliopolitans in particular are carefully trading knowledge for Essence. Heaven knows little more about Followers of Ma'at than most of Hell does. Those that do know usually tend to not care much anyway. Whether or not this is a justifiable attitude to take has not yet been determined. Heaven would benefit from having less Hellsworn Sorcerers in existence: however, most angels would immediately point out that Heaven would benefit more from having no Sorcerers in existence at all. Mechanics Followers of Ma'at, having a clearer understanding of the Symphony, approach their Sorcery in a somewhat different manner. Their rituals emphasize the essential balance of the universe, thus giving them a bonus to removing those entities that are where they do not belong. Unfortunately, this same sense of balance actually hinders them when attempting to call or compel a demon: these Sorcerers subconsciously know that doing either is fundamentally stupid, which erodes their confidence and skills somewhat. Needless to say, no Follower of Ma'at has gotten the Sorcery Attunement via an Infernal Pact. Fates and Destinies are tricky issues for Followers of Ma'at. A Follower that goes to Hell (or Heaven, for that manner) is going to be a prime security risk. Many Circles handle the problem through the traditional hooded robes, cell system, and/or changing their meeting place every time _any_ of their number dies. Reincarnation is the ideal for these Sorcerers. Banish - Followers of Ma'at do not need the equivalent Summoning rituals to Banish demonlings or demons. However, Banishing demonlings requires Banishing/4, Banishing demons requires Banishing/6, and knowing the true name of a demon has no benefit. Command - Command Demonling is not available. Exorcism - All rituals will cost one less Essence than for normal Sorcerers, and a failure to Exorcise the subject will prevent the Follower from trying again for only CD days. Focus - not affected. Summon - Followers of Ma'at do not learn how to Summon demons of any type. Trying to use regular sorcerous Command Rituals will be at -2. Enchantment - Followers of Ma'at may add their Ethereal Forces to Alchemy and Enchantment rolls. They do not learn Necromancy. Will-Wars - Followers of Ma'at must make a successful Perception roll to enter a Will-War. As they do not normally Summon demons, they are only rarely compelled to enter into one with a demon, and are thus (if they enter a Will-War with a Diabolical) at -1 to rolls if their Summoning skill is below 3. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:46:35 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game >From: "Charles Phipps" >* Drink once if Marc appears in your game as anything but a consort of >lilith or as a background figure, drink twice if he acts like Donald trump, >chug if he admits it's easier to get a camel through an eye of a needle >than >for a rich man to enter heaven Oddly, this jibes nicely with a Trade organization I'm working on, called More Money Than God. Nag me about this if you haven't seen it in a week. >* Drink once if a new Superior is posted, twice if it's list related, chug >if it's Iolanthe Drink the whole case if it's an Archangel of Death retread. >* Drink once if Beth is complimented, twice if it's fawning, chug if >someone >is insulting or rude then kill them If servitors of Nitpicking start a Nitpick crusade that goes on and on and on and on and AIIIIEEEEEEE.... ...guzzle absinthe until sweet, sweet death claims you. >* Drink once if someone mentions the old superiors, twice if they do a >writeup or suggest SJG do them up Also known as the Perry Lloyd memorial rule. ;) - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:09:00 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Waah. From: "Maurice Lane" > > either: considering that the only messages that a > Tsayadim would deign to send to an ethereal are all > variations of "All your Tether now belong to us. > Hahahahah!", this is a nice bonus. It'd be closer to "All your Tether *are* belong to us," actually. You getting that wrong is just no... Well, you get the idea. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 03:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> Question on April 6, 2001... The INCalendar lists today as Founder's Day (Mormon). Every resource I run across on the web lists November 20 as Founder's Day. Any Mormons on the list? What's up? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 4, 2001 (ML) A fascinating religion, Islam. I must read up on it more. Not that I have that much free time, but still... This one needs a little salt (I say that a lot, you know), methinks. :) Moe Cleaning house is never fun, but sometimes desperately necessary. Khalid acknowledges that his time as a semi-Outcast was not, in the end, in the best interests of the Faithful. At least some of the divisions between Christian, Jew and Muslim are due to his former inability to work with his fellow Archangels (especially Laurence). However, that was then. This is now. Khalid is of the opinion that, at root, the problems plaguing the Middle East are due to the political and religious divisions that exist among the Faithful. The Archangel of Faith recognizes that resolving the differences between the Shi'ite and Sunni branches of Islam will be ... complex ... but that still doesn't necessarily preclude a political union of Arabic and Islamic nations - or at least a federation of independent states with real political clout. Once either is established, encouraging prosperity and stability would be much easier. There's even a precedent for incorporating fellow "Peoples of the Book" into the larger cultural framework, which would handily solve the problem of Israel (they're back, they're not planning to go anywhere, they've got nukes and their backs are to the wall. A peaceful resolution to the problem is clearly the optimal solution), if done correctly. Clearly, political unity is the optimal solution for everyone living in the region - but to do that, Khalid needs the Muslim equivalent of a Simon Bolivar. PC Servitors of Faith will find themselves delegated to find one. The proper candidate must be a pious Muslim, free of racial or religious prejudice, ethical, skilled at both political and religious discourse - and have that indefinable something that will cause humans to eagerly follow him (or her, although that might be trickier to pull off). Said paragon does not have to be indigenous to the region: Khalid can work around a candidate that comes from India or the United States or North Africa. Needless to say, they'll have their work cut out for them - especially when said work also entails discovering and neutralizing those who would build the wrong kind of union. They'll also be dealing with Khalid's dissonance requirements, of course: this is one case where simply appearing in front of the right candidate in a blaze of glory simply won't be an option. The candidate must freely choose to serve his co-religionists, without the crutch of Divine Will. Anything else could later doom the mission. However, the PCs (and they won't be the only ones on this quest) may draw on those from other Words. Servitors of Yves will be invaluable for locating those with this sort of Destiny (and crossing off the lists those who would be instead courting their Fates). Servitors of Gabriel (peace be unto him) can evaluate those who could Inspire nations. Servitors of Marc can advise on the political considerations. Really, building a nation requires help from all of Heaven's Words - especially when one considers that the eventual leader will need all sorts of able assistants. The image of true Muslims coming from all over the planet to help restore the Dar al-Salaam has the potential of being the most powerful media image of the 21st century. That brings us, of course, to those who would oppose this: while every Demon Prince could likewise be involved in shutting down this vision, the most likely opponents would be Factions and the War, for fairly obvious reasons. The Media might be a less overt enemy, but a subtler one. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 05:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Michal Sampson wrote: > Okay, I should probably know these things but I wanna ask anyways =) > > 1) An FAQ reads: > >What's the Power of hand-to-hand attacks in celestial combat? > >Zero. > Does that mean that celestial attacks don't suffer the -3 power that > coporeal attack do or that any attack drops to a zero power? I hope its > the first one =) The former, yes. Though there are very few *other* celestial attacks! The Celestial Song of Light is one, and then there's special relics. > 2) What are the exact rules for creating a new vessel after one is > destroyed? Can you do it with just essence to recreate a vessel or do > you need to blow character points? YOU cannot do anything (assuming you're a normal celestial). Your Superior must MAKE you one. Whether or not your GM decides to charge you character points for this vessel is usually related to how foolhardy you were in losing it. :) > 3) What are the powers of those in the middle of the celestial chain of > command? For example, my character is being groomed to become the angel > of Women in Unarmed Combat. She works for the Angel of Women in combat > who works for Michael. Who do I get my rites from and Attunments from? > Michael, her or both? She gets all of Michael's Rites, and Michael's Choir Attunement. She can purchase additional Attunements from Michael. She also *may* be granted Rites from the Angel of Women in Combat (bear in mind that those Rites come out of the AOWIC's *personal* Essence, so they'll be given out sparingly!), and she *may* be given a Servitor Attunement from the AOWIC - *if* she has any. Not all Word-Bound do. Hope this helped. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. -- Sony Vaio-PC Haiku ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:28:46 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Question on April 6, 2001... - --On Friday, April 6, 2001 3:23 AM -0400 "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > > The INCalendar lists today as Founder's Day (Mormon). Every > resource I run across on the web lists November 20 as Founder's Day. > > Any Mormons on the list? What's up? > May first thought was that it might mean William Booth's birthday, but isn't that the 10th? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Is Yom Hashoah on the calendar?") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:02:37 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game >>* Drink once if a new Superior is posted, twice if it's list related, chug >>if it's Iolanthe > >Drink the whole case if it's an Archangel of Death retread. I'll take that as a compliment :P if you havent seen it... http://eternalcity.freeservers.com/innomine.html - -FallenSeraph ^v^ ICQ - 110193631 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon and his angels fought, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:7-8 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Rules Question - artifacts I need a clarification on a point of canon. The Liber Reliquarium states, in one place, that Servitors of Creation and/or Lightning have a bonus in the creation of artifacts: however, a later section suggests that this bonus is available to _servants_ of same (a somewhat broader definition). My question: would a Saint of either be able to acquire these bonuses? And, if it's normally only available to Servitors, would the possession of an angelic Force* (and the equivalent Choir Attunement) provide a close enough link to permit the Saint to acquire this bonus? Mow *Yes, I know that such things are exceedingly rare in Heaven. It's appropriate for the NPC that I have in mind, though. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:59:24 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game >From: "Fallen Seraph" >>Drink the whole case if it's an Archangel of Death retread. > >I'll take that as a compliment :P I'm not singling anyone out for abuse; it just seems like *everyone* (myself included) has, at some point, devised an AA of Death or suitable variation thereof. Me, I think I've got a pretty cool twist on it, and as soon as it's finished I'm gonna try to sell it to Pyramid. - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:22:09 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Rules Question - artifacts >My question: would a Saint of either be able to >acquire these bonuses? I don't see why not, providing they have some kind of Servitor attunement to estabish a word-link. I wouldn't let Soldier get the bennie, though, just Saints. >And, if it's normally only >available to Servitors, would the possession of an >angelic Force* (and the equivalent Choir Attunement) >provide a close enough link to permit the Saint to >acquire this bonus? If not the first, then this should definitely do it. But then, I don't speak for canon. >Mow Doing yardwork, are we? ;) - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:02:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) >>*And they are big bucks, I've seen 'em. The bills >>are three feet long! >Making puns like that makes me think of male deer >(bucks, dontcha know) with bills like platypi. Well, now you know why Tartarus only has decaf available in the coffee makers. That was the _second_ thing Sparky did when he became Vapula's keeper (the first, of course, was to swear for 15 minutes straight). The things that the Prince of Technology came up with after his 85th cup of expresso (heated to 84 degrees Celsius and left to bubble and percolate for an average of two hours) were just too terrifyingly strange for words ... and that wasn't even considering what he'd come with _after_ lunch (when the serious coffee drinking began). Needless to say, most of Vapula's Servitors didn't take this real well (Tartarus isn't run on Essence: it runs on caffiene. The only things that _worked_ properly were the blipping coffee makers), which is why the newest secret society in Hell is dedicated to the acquisition, distribution and consumption of coffee.* True, secret societies are treasonous (more or less), but when called in, Asmodeus looked over the entire situation, shuffled some papers, cleared his throat once or twice, abruptly turned and walked away and pretended that he never was called in in the first place. Moe *"Secret society" is a misnomer, of course: 98.45% of Servitors of Technology belong to it, and the rest are desperately trying to find a pusher. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:47:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Cameron McCurry ] >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:24:52 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Cameron McCurry ] [If you thought you were subscribed... Well, some bouncing must have gone on. Check www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html .] >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:17:18 -0700 (PDT) >From: Cameron McCurry >Reply-To: cmccurry@earthlink.net >Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie > > >2) What are the exact rules for creating a new vessel >after one is destroyed? Can you do it with just >essence to recreate a vessel or do you need to blow >character points? > If you are in Limbo, you spend Essence. If you >are in Heaven or Hell, your Superior creates one (From >what I understand anyway). > >3) What are the powers of those in the middle of the >celestial chain of command? For example, my character >is being groomed to become the angel of Women in >Unarmed Combat. She works for the Angel of Women in >combat who works for Michael. Who do I get my rites >from and Attunments from? Michael, her or both? > That all depends. If your character is a servant >of the Angel of Women in Combat, then she can get the >Attunements, Rites, and Dissonance conditions of the >Angel of Combat as well as the Archangel of War. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:00:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie At 6:03 PM -0400 4/5/01, Michal Sampson wrote: >Okay, I should probably know these things but I wanna ask anyways =) > >1) An FAQ reads: >>What's the Power of hand-to-hand attacks in celestial combat? >>Zero. >Does that mean that celestial attacks don't suffer the -3 power that >coporeal attack do or that any attack drops to a zero power? I hope its >the first one =) I'd say the first one -- no penalties. (Watch out if you don't have lotsa Mind hits...) [On a side note, how many GMs remember that -3 to barehanded Fighting? How many remember to put the Power of the weapon into the equation?] >2) What are the exact rules for creating a new vessel after one is >destroyed? Can you do it with just essence to recreate a vessel or do >you need to blow character points? It depends. In the normal run of events, you wind up staring at your heart, in which case you need a Superior to give you a new one, which means character points. (There is some stuff in the GMG about vessels; pp. 9, 18-19.) If you are an ethereal, or in Limbo, you can make it with Essence alone. >3) What are the powers of those in the middle of the celestial chain of >command? For example, my character is being groomed to become the angel >of Women in Unarmed Combat. She works for the Angel of Women in combat >who works for Michael. Who do I get my rites from and Attunments from? >Michael, her or both? Another thing the GMG helps for: Words and whatnot. You are a Servitor of Michael, correct? Then you get your basic Choir Attunement and Rites from Michael. If you really help out the Angel of Women in Combat, she _may_ decide to reward you with one of her attunements or Rites, but you don't get those automatically. (If you want to start with them at character creation, you need to pay points!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:03:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Qing-ming At 6:51 PM -0400 4/5/01, Jonathan Walton wrote: >make offerings of dumpings, wine, incense, hell money (neat stuff, that), Okay, it's a _tad_ off-topic (unless you count this research for ethereals! Yeah, that's the ticket...), but what _is_ hell money? Besides what Mammonite banks hand out in the celestial realm, of course. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2141 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.