From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 6 22:51:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21268 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:51:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA22728 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:57:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:57:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200104070357.WAA22728@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2142 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2142 In this digest: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie Re: IN> Rules Question - artifacts Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." IN> Re: Hell Money Re: IN> Re: Qing-ming Re: IN> The Angel of Passion Re: IN> Superior Redemptions IN> Waah Re: IN> April 4, 2001 (ML) IN> A curious what if.... Re: IN> April 4, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> I need a Word... Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." Re: IN> A curious what if.... Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> Waah. Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> Questions from a newbie Re: IN> Questions from a newbie Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) IN> Flavor NPC, Part I IN> Flavor NPC, Part II (Vignette) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:10:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie At 11:06 PM -0400 4/5/01, William J. Keith wrote: >>It's really DM option whether or not to charge for a new vessel (although >>certainly if it's a better one it should be earned). Basically, the default is character points (or character point _debt_) so that people don't go wasting vessels. Malakanaries excepted, of course. It's not _wasting_ vessels for them. O:> >(p. 15, G:IN) Referring to Rites that a Word-Bound below Superior level may >give out: "...but any time that Rite is used, the energy is taken from *his >own* Essence!" (All emphasis in the original text.) Simpler than the IN mess. O:> (IIRC, the justification that we got worked out as: the Essence comes back a moment later, from the Superior, but if the Superior shuts off the flow (as for Renegades/Outcasts)... Ooop. And it does give the person a way to harm a Word.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:21:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Rules Question - artifacts At 6:35 AM -0700 4/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >I need a clarification on a point of canon. The Liber >Reliquarium states, in one place, that Servitors of >Creation and/or Lightning have a bonus in the creation >of artifacts: however, a later section suggests that >this bonus is available to _servants_ of same (a >somewhat broader definition). Hm. "Servant" is a common synonym for "Servitor," because repeating "Servitor" umptyzillion times gets hectic. I am inclined to state, unless someone can convince me otherwise with a _really_ good logical reason, that it means those who are _bound_ to the Word, feeling its essence (not Essence) within them, in tune with the concepts and attitudes that the Word symbolizes. >My question: would a Saint of either be able to >acquire these bonuses? And, if it's normally only >available to Servitors, would the possession of an >angelic Force* (and the equivalent Choir Attunement) >provide a close enough link to permit the Saint to >acquire this bonus? Having the Force and Choir Attunement (or MAYBE a Servitor Attunement) would certainly give a slightly lenient GM due cause to allow the bonus, yes. I'd be more comfortable seeing it on a Saint (whose nature has been altered slightly from its stay in Heaven) than on the average Soldier. I'd rather not see such a creature in canon, but it's soooooo rare that one can easily say, "Gee, no one you talk to knows what would happen." O:> For humans, I'd be tempted to halve the bonuses (to a min of +1), since they aren't resonating to a concept the way that a celestial Servitor would. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:23:26 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) At 7:25 AM -0700 4/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >Well, now you know why Tartarus only has decaf >available in the coffee makers.[...] Moe... What's in _your_ coffee?? - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:23:52 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) - --On Friday, April 6, 2001 1:23 PM -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 7:25 AM -0700 4/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > >> Well, now you know why Tartarus only has decaf >> available in the coffee makers.[...] > > Moe... What's in _your_ coffee?? > Better questions. 1. Since I don't have my LC at work, can anyone remind me if there's a corporeal song that removes poisons from a target? 2. Could the Song be modified to only affect caffeene? 3. Could it be bound into a relic? 4. Is there a good reason a Jeanite wouldn't carry one just because servitors of Technology make interesting noises when you point it at them, or would this be needlessly cruel? 5. Now picture an Etheral Song of Decaf. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Only a Bright Lillim can change the Sanka into the water of life?" "Yes. Although many Malakim have tried to make the Rich French Roast." "They tried, and failed?" "They tried...and died.") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:42:25 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." > >Well, now you know why Tartarus only has decaf > >available in the coffee makers.[...] > > Moe... What's in _your_ coffee?? > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/3261.html OB IN; See, what happened was a Servitor Lightning wasn't watching where she was going, and ran headlong into a Servitor of Flowers, causing much spilling and sloshing of both of their beverages. "Hey, you got Coffee in my Mate!" "Hey, you got Mate in my Coffee!" And behold, inspiration met cross-polination. - -Daiv Technical Writer in service to Coffee. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:54:32 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Hell Money >> hell money (neat stuff, that) > > Okay, it's a _tad_ off-topic (unless you count this research for > ethereals! Yeah, that's the ticket...) Hey, they started it! I was just trying to inspire them. > but what _is_ hell money? Besides > what Mammonite banks hand out in the celestial realm, of course. Hell money is a kind of currency that can be bought around certain special holidays in China, most of Asia, and Asian markets throughout the Western world. It comes in massive denominations, like bills in the millions and 100 millions of "dollars." All the money is usually stamped with the official seal of the "Celestial Bank of Heaven" or something like that. During Qing-ming or other special occasions (the anniversary of the ancestor's death or certain other religious holidays), you burn the hell money, often at a temple or in front of the ancestor's grave. The idea, then, is that this money travels down to hell (where they must have insane inflation rates, considering the amount of money sent) where it can be used by the departed souls, often in bribing their demon captors to make their torments a little less harsh. It's pretty easy to see how this would work in In Nomine. The hell money would simply serve as a way for the living to send little bits of essence to family members in Heaven or Hell. In Hell, the damned souls could then donate the essence to their Demon Prince (instead of being tortured for their daily amount) or save it up for a little vacation in Shal-Mari. In Heaven, the souls could just take it as a sign of good will and pass it on to be used for the divine cause. Just what emisarries would be involved in moving all this essence around, though, is up in the air. Maybe there are servitors of Mammon and Marc who are in charge of hell money and distributing the essence (though Greed's demons, of course, would be skimming off the top). Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:10:51 -0700 From: "Marcus Evenstar" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Qing-ming The Archangel Beth asked > Okay, it's a _tad_ off-topic (unless you count this research for ethereals! > Yeah, that's the ticket...), but what _is_ hell money?... Something that's easily found in 'paper shops' throughout Chinese settled areas. Current versions look much like US currency, printed in red & black ink. The issuing authority is the Bank of Hell, the portrait is one of the Celestial Judges and the denominations are usually quite large. When burned with proper ceremony, the funds are made available to ancestors to help with the Celestial Bureaucracy. This money is the simplest thing that you get in the shop. They also make cell-phones, computers, vehicles, houses, etc. Whether or not such things actually have an Ethereal counterpart is left to the discretion of the GM. (If you're playing Wraith, it works but it's subject to the Jade Emperor's taxes.) If I ever got any proof that it worked, my will would include a massive conflagration so I could open an Ethereal used-book store. Marcus "Taking It With Me" Evenstar - -- | RPG Chair - Dragonflight XXI | www.dragonflight.org | | MIB 2404 - Seattle Cell Leader | [Site undeveloped] | "You can't kill a man for trying to save the human race from Nutrasweet, Pokemon, and Governor George W. Bush." - Dr. Krigstein [The Authority] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:51 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Passion Moe wrote: > BTW, would someone else _please_ do a blackwing Novalis? I > shudder to think that mine will become the default, or > something, due to an utter lack of competition. :) Well, yours has this way of burning itself into the synapses we'd use for rolling our own, you see... Honestly, it's definitive. The first piece of In Nomine material I ever took SAN damage off. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:51 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Superior Redemptions "Bevan Thomas" > It's kind of funny you've mentioned Lilith. Since she embraces both the > good and the bad of her word, she deals extensively with certain > angels, and she had a certain amount of justification for going with > Lucifer, Lilith is definetely the least evil of the demon princes, and > so I think the one most likely to redeem. The question may well be "Redeem? From what?" From her point of view, there's no fundamental change to be made; she's herself, not damned, and still in possession of her soul. Sure, if there were major political changes, she could switch to operating out of Heaven instead of Hell. However, her intention to do that would likely precipitate Armageddon, on the simple grounds that the Princes know she knows a lot about them and their organisations. If she were to tell Heaven what she knows, there's a distinct possibility that Heaven would be able to roll up Hell's forces without major risk. So she'd have to leave /very/ cleverly, without Lucifer or Kronos realising what was going on - otherwise they'd just kill her. And once they realised what had happened, Armageddon would start about three seconds later, on the grounds that they'd just get weaker if they waited. Of course, they could just trust her to ask too high a price, but they'd rather trust pigs to fly. Overall, this sounds like a joke Kobal would like... - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk Damn, left my cellphone on my other vessel! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:58:11 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Waah Funny! I like this guy! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:11:46 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> April 4, 2001 (ML) Wow. Moe, the only "salt" this needs is backroom development into a full-fledged campaign. It's a major operation from both sides, with hooks for just about every celestial a character could play. (Anybody cares to GM a weekend IRC game for this, I'm in.) William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:11:14 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> A curious what if.... This is a curious one but effectively I had the idea of this.... Cosmic Paradigm Shifts Almost every angel *HATES* cosmic paradigm shifts. Alot of demons absolutely love them. Ethereals and humans frankly usually don't notice. Cosmic paradigm shifts are rare events in the Symphony which result in the Apocolyptical "God changes his mind about something". Now when God changes his mind it's no use running for cover and depending on how high your forces is or whether God has for whatever ineffable reason decided to let you keep your memory, you often don't notice them happening. Still usually everybody gets a subtle feeling something is up. Some cosmic paradigm shifts of note include the Copernicus shift; this shift occured when for whatever reason after Gallieo wrote his work God decided that it would be really cool if the Earth DID revolve around the Sun and not the other way around. Gabriel, Eli, and Jean may still be recovering from the headache that one gave them. Other reputed Cosmic paradigm shifts include the mysterious eliminating of most of Heaven's Archangels and many of Hell's demon princes and subtle shifting of their words (Saminga from the Prince of Vampires to the Prince of Death), the eradication of Atlantis and several other civilizations such as Arthur's camelot, and of course you all have heard the ethereals whining that God doesn't cause Cosmic paradigm shifts just whatever does caused him to be top dog in the Symphony. Mad angels are occasionally the result of these shifts and Blandine's asylum is full of servitors who were once great archangels. Adventure Hook * The players wake up as either Angels or Demons having passed out from a party/meditated for a few hours to go meet with their Superior...only to find that Heaven is full of Redeemed Demon Princes and all of Hell has fallen. God's testing the war out it seems and with Lucifer as Commander in Chief of the Host and Laurence leader of the Armies of Hell, whatcha gonna do? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 4, 2001 (PK) - --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > Jrazelich > Calabite Knight of the Winged Chariot Heh heh... nice one, Rev. There are some demons who are gonna be real annoyed at this. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > the newest secret society in Hell is dedicated to > the acquisition, distribution and consumption of > coffee.* ??? College students are the newest secret society in Hell? };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:35:29 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> I need a Word... > >a), is evocative of the Word of Publicity Stunts, but > > > >b), won't cause a Seraph's brain to explode out of his > >skull. Sophism. Named for our very own Princess Sophie. Please excuse the British humour.... (Would a Seraph believe a reporter in disguise, if he were sufficiently sincere?) Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) - --- Marc Bowden wrote: > 1. Since I don't have my LC at work, can anyone remind me if > there's a corporeal song that removes poisons from a target? Purity, I believe. > > 2. Could the Song be modified to only affect caffeene? With the Song research rules, almost certainly. > 3. Could it be bound into a relic? Absolutely. > 4. Is there a good reason a Jeanite wouldn't carry one just > because servitors of Technology make interesting noises when > you point it at them, or would this be needlessly cruel? ??? > 5. Now picture an Etheral Song of Decaf. I think you're sick, Marc. > ("Only a Bright Lillim can change the Sanka into the water of > life?" > "Yes. Although many Malakim have tried to make the Rich > French Roast." Now I know you're sick. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." - --- daiv@cruzio.com wrote: > And behold, inspiration met cross-polination. [groan] Please, make it stop! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A curious what if.... - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Some cosmic paradigm shifts of note include the Copernicus > shift; this shift > occured when for whatever reason after Gallieo wrote his work > God decided > that it would be really cool if the Earth DID revolve around > the Sun and not the other way around. For some reason, I think the writers of INS/MV would get a kick out of this. But you left out the most recent CPS (I love acronymns) -- the changing of the beginning of the millenium from 2001 to 2000! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:37:44 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) > > the newest secret society in Hell is dedicated to > > the acquisition, distribution and consumption of > > coffee.* > > ??? College students are the newest secret society in Hell? };> Nah. You have read the news about the American Stock market (espcially the Dot Coms) going straight to hell? They meant literally. All those geeks who sold their souls for a peice of the next big thing found out that its time to collect. - -Daiv Tech Writer in Service to Coffee. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 2001 22:08:06 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Waah. On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:51 Charles Glasgow wrote: >From: "Maurice Lane" >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:42 PM >[snip] >> I mean, what does it take to get rid of one ethereal? >> Doesn't anybody care? Really, sometimes the universe >> seems to go out of its way to be totally inconsiderate >> of everyone's feelings... >> >> Sorry. >You. Must. Die. NOW. You. Hideous. Mind. Twisting. Incredibly. >Sadistic. Bastard!!! > he will. go ahead and kill him. he'll just come back, though. 'cuz nobody listens to you. me neither.... ;) -=|horsefly|=- "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." --Voltaire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:11:30 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) > > --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > the newest secret society in Hell is dedicated to > > the acquisition, distribution and consumption of > > coffee.* > > ??? College students are the newest secret society in Hell? };> College students, nothing. I mean, why are the Vaputech employees so *stupid*? Just ship a bit over to Baal's territory, and you'll get all the coffee ya need... ... provided you can *take* it. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:58:47 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Glasgow To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Walton" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:55 PM >Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." >(No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) > > >> >> --- Maurice Lane wrote: >> > the newest secret society in Hell is dedicated to >> > the acquisition, distribution and consumption of >> > coffee.* >> >> ??? College students are the newest secret society in Hell? };> > >College students, nothing. > >I mean, why are the Vaputech employees so *stupid*? Just ship a bit over >to Baal's territory, and you'll get all the coffee ya need... > >... provided you can *take* it. *eg* Couldn't they just trade weapons for it? I mean, sounds like standard Army procedure for the guys in Supply to stock up on the stuff they don't need, then trade it for the stuff they do want. Or, they could just redeem. I hear Jean's come up with remarkable Essence-based Caffeinated drinks, Including Sparka-Cola, the Original Jolt, and Coffee so Potent, it's been known to substitute for engine fuel. In fact, Lightning Reliquaries that aren't made as generators tend to be shaped as Coffee-Makers... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:32:12 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie >>It's really DM option whether or not to charge for a new vessel (although >>certainly if it's a better one it should be earned). > >'S a good point. I mean, the principle's there, but unless it was thorough >incompetence or it happens frequently (and for Malakim, even this one's >lenient), I can see a "discount" or a simple replacement, especially if the >player missed game due to Trauma or the death on a particular mission was >deemed rather likely. ("Ah, Yakznoth, I see you're out of Trauma. Yes, >the suicide bomb did its job effectively. Here, have a Vessel.") Of course, a Superior who expects you to die in advance might switch your vessel for the occasion (better to trash a Vessel 1 with no Role than that nice Vessel 3 with Role 4 it took all that time to set up). Roles admittedly can be the real kicker; a Superior can wave their hands and make a vessel, but Role-building takes real time and energy to do. The Superior might be much more forgiving if your death did not ruin any Role you possessed; they just slap you in a similar-looking vessel with an apology for being "suddenly absent due to a death in the family" (your own death should earn you time off :)) and you're back in business hopefully. >>Do Rites take Essence away from the giver? According to the GM's Guide it >>draws on the Essence of the Word-Bound's Superior, unless you're an >>Outcast/Renegade (pg. 27). Still, she would have to trust you since misuse >>of her Rite could harm her Word, which she would probably fear worse than a >>little Essence loss. > >(p. 15, G:IN) Referring to Rites that a Word-Bound below Superior level may >give out: "...but any time that Rite is used, the energy is taken from *his >own* Essence!" (All emphasis in the original text.) Oh, OK, this must be a GURPSism; the basic IN rules let the Essence be generated from the Superior (since technically enforcing your Word is also improving his/hers as well). Personally I think that's a stupid GURPS change; makes it pointless for any Word-bound to ever give his Rite out. And how does HE get Essence from doing it then? How often is a Word-bound PC handing out his Rite really a problem to groups anyway? I thought Word-bound tended to be rare in games anyway, much less those freely tossing their Rites out. Besides, if you've made it that far I figure it's the same as all those high level D&D characters who earn castles and such; you earned it, you might as well enjoy the benefits (besides, 1 extra Essence per day for doing an certain action is nice, but I think a tad easier to compensate for than that castle-ownership problem anyway). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:53:52 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Questions from a newbie >Oh, OK, this must be a GURPSism; the basic IN rules let the Essence be >generated from the Superior (since technically enforcing your Word is also >improving his/hers as well). Personally I think that's a stupid GURPS >change; makes it pointless for any Word-bound to ever give his Rite out. >And how does HE get Essence from doing it then? I think a Rite strengthens the Word in the Symphony, and the giver of the Rite figures that the lost Essence is worth the gain in strength later. Maybe if you're Word-Bound to the concept, you feel the effects (specifically the associated Essence) instantly when you do it, whereas when someone else does it, it takes time for the Essence to diffuse through the Symphony back to you(and maybe doesn't make it at all, going instead to Word-strengthening). When you're Word-Bound to a concept of Superior level, it's not noticeable. *shrug* It makes sense to me, but then it was my first. ;^) Among the other advantages in the "package," I'd let a Word-Bound have an extra Essence cache anyway, which refills at a rate related to the strength of their Word. But then, I've also been known to give Word-Bound a dissonance condition related to their Word, too. ;^) >Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:57:22 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) >>> Well, now you know why Tartarus only has decaf >>> available in the coffee makers.[...] >> >> Moe... What's in _your_ coffee?? >> > > Better questions. > > 1. Since I don't have my LC at work, can anyone remind me if there's > a corporeal song that removes poisons from a target? As somebody else noted, the Song of Purity might work, although that depends how you define poison. Then again, it says you cannot remove "impurities" that are an integral part of the target, so those with a little blood in their caffeine-stream might be immune :). > 2. Could the Song be modified to only affect caffeine? Probably a virtuoso could do so with time and inclination (Purity is a Faith secret Song; maybe some Mormon Faith Servitor came up with the variant (aren't some Mormons at least against consuming caffeine?)). > 3. Could it be bound into a relic? > > 4. Is there a good reason a Jeanite wouldn't carry one just because > servitors of Technology make interesting noises when you point it > at them, or would this be needlessly cruel? Well, an Elohite would probably find it too cruel (Habbalah might be willing to "punish those weaklings with their feeble craving", but I doubt any of them would survive the process :)). Of course, this assumes Jeanites don't make interesting noises when you point one at THEM, which might be assuming too much about their own caffeine consumption :). > 5. Now picture an Etheral Song of Decaf. Like opposing Legion, there are some things Heaven and Hell can make implicit agreements about; never EVER doing this would probably be one of them :). Come to think of it, this might be the way Kobal sparks Armageddon... >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation >("Only a Bright Lillim can change the Sanka into the water of life?" > "Yes. Although many Malakim have tried to make the Rich French > Roast." > "They tried, and failed?" > "They tried...and died.") And then grumbled about it for days afterwards... - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I I ignored point balance for this one, as the guy's only there anyway to answer a specific question. Vignette in part II. :) Moe Jason Saint of Creation Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 10 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 10 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Jason is one of those rare humans that have received an angelic Force. Charisma +1 Skills: Armoury (Hand weapons/6, Armor/6), Artistry (Sculpture/6, Woodworking/6), Blacksmith/6, Enchantment/6, Knowledge (physiology/3, weapons/6), Languages (Lots/3), Large Weapon (axe/6, rapier/3, sword/3), Savoir-Faire/3, Small Weapon/3 (knife), Tactics/2 Armoury (Precision) Default -3 - This skill is used to make and repair weapons and/or armor. The user must specialize: several categories include hand weapons, armor, bows and arrows, guns and heavy weapons. Blacksmith (higher of Strength or Precision) Default - -3 - This skill is used for repairing or making simple metal tools or objects by hand. If the user also has Artistry (sculpture), he or she may attempt to make decorative work at the same time. Songs: Artifacts (All/6), Fire (Corporeal/6, Ethereal/2, Celestial/2), Light (Celestial/3), Might (Corporeal/6, Ethereal/3, Celestial/3), Shields (All/3) and a bunch of others. Attunements: Blessed, Mercurian of Creation, Seraphim of Creation, Elohite of Creation, Transubstantiation, Proficiency (Axe) The numbers above are just a futile attempt to quantify this Saint. Simpler by far to just accept that he's the best weapon maker on Heaven's side. Yes, that includes the Host: while, technically, there could be an angel out there with more raw power, nobody's ever been able to create finer weapons than Jason. Well, except for Laurence and Eli, but the Archangel of a Sword is a specialist and the Archangel of Creation isn't around at the moment. Jason just has the touch when it comes to steel. Of course, he's had lots of practice. Jason was the first smith that ever managed to make an sword out of iron, a very long time ago, and he's refined his art ever since. By now, Michael can't conceive of getting anyone else to craft his axes - and he's not the only angel - or Archangel - that uses Jason's services. The Saint is an excellent enchanter as well (as befits someone who spent three hundred years polishing his art under the direct supervision of Eli), which means that he always has a backlog of orders. The Saint is constantly creating artifacts (luckily, that's his favorite thing in the world to do). The Saint is currently stationed in North America, where he can usually be found involved in various historical re-enactment activities (it's perfect cover). There used to be a stereotype that smiths were large, surly people with hearts of gold. Jason manages to be large (in fact, he can loom if he's not careful), and has the heart of gold part down pat, but surly is beyond him completely. He's a likeable fellow, but anyone that wants to be good friends with him will have to become resigned to the fact that Jason lives, breathes, eats and sleeps metalworking. It's his reason for existence, his favorite activity and his favored form of artistic expression. Those that share his passion will find him quite companionable. Lastly, it should be noted of course that Michael and Laurence have him discreetly, yet thoroughly guarded. The point may just be moot: Baal knows where Michael gets his weapons, of course, and has no intention of letting his old friend and adversary be at any material disadvantage when the two finally face off. Baal wants his victory to be clear. If that means keeping the rest of Hell away from Michael's pet weapon smith, so be it: Michael extends to Baal the same consideration, for precisely the same reason. Besides, there _is_ such a thing as professional courtesy. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Flavor NPC, Part II (Vignette) Why? Because I felt like it, and because Janet needs to finish that Tether she's been working on, and this might spur her on a little. :) Morgan Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Who's the Third Guy? He's wearing Italian Renn garb, knew the Medicis, and pays for things by handing over a bank account number on a business card. Do the math. :) The three men strolled between the two long rows of tents, idly taking in the sight of what looked like hundreds of people braving the August sun to shop. "And in hideously inappropriate clothing, too." murmured the oldest man. There was a chuckle in his voice. "Not that either of you are much better." He turned to his younger companion. "What possessed you to don chain mail, of all things?" The youngster flushed. "You said medieval garb. This is medieval garb." His hand idly traced the red silk cross on his tabard. "In fact, yours isn't - I don't remember any examples of cotton T-tunics and blue jeans back then." The third man laughed aloud. "He has a point." The older man shrugged. "It's comfortable, fits in with the scene and completely unnoticeable. Unlike you: there are three duchesses and a peer trailing behind you, trying to figure out the best way to waylay you and get you to reveal your source for ermine." The third man laughed again. "They know their history, then. I'll have you know that this is an exact replica of Lorenzo the Magnificent's court clothes." "Sure. For February." The older man saw the discreet sign in front of one pavilion. "Ah. Here we are." The three ducked through the entrance and entered the pavilion. Even the third man could recognize the quality of the weapons on display: the other two unconsciously straightened, their eyes alight. The older man inhaled, taking in the smell of steel and oil like it was perfume. "He just keeps getting better with age..." "I certainly hope so," came a voice from the back of the pavilion. Its owner (a white-haired but vigorous man) followed. "Otherwise, what's the point?" The proprietor's eyes twinkled as he made a respectful bow. "Good to see you again, milord. And you too, milord." The youngster looked up from a particularly fine claymore and smiled. The proprietor turned to the third man. "And to you as well, noble stranger..." The older man smiled. "He's..." a quick look left and right at the other customers "... a colleague. A business associate." The proprietor nodded and bowed to the third man. "I see. You do my shop honor with your presence." He turned back to the older man. "I see that you received my message about your new toy." "Yes. I presume that you have it here?" "But of course." The proprietor reached beneath the main table of weapons and brought up a long box. "You would not believe the offers I've gotten for it already. One fellow even offered to wrestle you for it." This brought a smile to the older man's face. "Yes, I thought it was funny, too. I think that you'd like him, actually: he's got the right attitude for your line of work. I have his name and where he's camping around here somewhere..." The box was finally opened: the proprietor drew back the cover with a flourish. "Does it suit, milord?" The older man thought that it suited indeed. The smith had outdone himself, as always: the battle-axe seemed to glow even in the dimness of the pavilion. Its new owner skillfully tested the balance, suddenly snapping it into a blur of silver fire as it moved in his hands. The proprietor cleared his throat. "There are people around, milord." The older man grinned. "Just checking your work. Not that I need to: this will do perfectly, as always." "I'm glad that you like it. Fully guaranteed, of course. Now, I was able to get a good deal on the wood, so some of the retainer is due back to you..." The older man shrugged. "Keep it." The smith frowned. "Fine: keep it for the next time I need an axe ... or, wait." He turned to the third man. "Care for anything?" "Weapons aren't usually my style..." The smith chimed in at this point. "All the more reason for you to have one, then. Keeps people guessing." At the hesitation of his quarry, the smith pressed in for the kill. "Besides, without one you're not fully dressed around here. May I see your dominant arm?" Bemused, the third man extended his left hand. "Of course. Hmm... with your musculature, Italian rapier for you, I think. I have just the thing..." The smith rushed back to the private part of the pavilion. The third man looked at his older companion, who snickered. "You might as well ... and he is the best. Anywhere." The smith returned with a beautifully crafted rapier. "Try this, milord." The third man grasped the rapier gingerly - then flowed into a classic stance not seen in centuries. He held the position for a moment, then straightened. "This brings back memories. I'll take it." The proprietor frowned. "Oh, no, milord. That's just a loaner until I can craft you a proper weapon." The older man's eyes narrowed. "Just how much of the retainer did you manage to save?" The fencer interrupted him. "Don't worry about it: I'll cover the cost." Carefully putting down the rapier, he pulled out a pen and wrote swiftly on a business card. "This account should have enough to cover materials and labor." The smith bowed. "Of course, milord. I'll need to examine you more carefully, the better to create a proper weapon. Do you have a free hour?" The older man smiled. "Go ahead: the kid and I have to go see a man about an axe anyway. We'll catch up with you later." He turned to the knight. "Coming, milord?" "In a moment." The knight lifted up the claymore that he was examining: a few people looked around curiously at the sudden quiet hum that filled the room. "This one, good smith. This is ... a particularly fine weapon. I hope that you're planning to match it to someone worthy of it?" The smith bowed low. "Seeing as it's you that's asking... of course." As the two men turned to leave, the smith cleared his throat. "One other thing, milord: I was wondering if you could do me a favor." The older man raised an eyebrow. "If it's within my ability to do so." "Oh, it should be. One of your colleagues ordered something from me a while back, and I've just finished it. If you could pass it along to her..." The smith reached again underneath his table and pulled out a bag. "Spade, rake and pruning hook, suitable for garden use and made to her specific instructions. Always a pleasure to do blacksmith work for such a pretty lady, don't you agree?" The older man winced, ever so slightly, but took the bag anyway. As they left the pavilion, the knight idly mused, "I wonder whether he thought that you should agree about the blacksmith work, or whether you should agree that the order's recipient was pretty?" The older man scowled. "Oh, look. Dream-catchers. Didn't you need to pick one of those up?" The knight shut his mouth with an audible click. "Just checking." ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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