From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 27 23:47:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28364 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:47:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA31456 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:53:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:53:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200104280453.XAA31456@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2186 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2186 In this digest: A-Team In Nomine (was Re: IN> Come to think of it ...) Re: IN> Come to think of it ... Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) Fwd: Re: IN> Come to think of it ... IN> Fwd: In Nomine Q&A. IN> Fwd: New Discord: Surreal Re: IN> Kyrio of lightning problems (was ...) Re: IN> Kyriotates of Lightning (G:IN only) Re: IN> Fwd: New Discord: Surreal Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) Re: IN> A different Kyriotate of Lightning question Re: IN> Rules on Resisting Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II Re: IN> Kyrio of lightning problems (was ...) Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks Re: IN> Fwd: New Discord: Surreal Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:15:39 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: A-Team In Nomine (was Re: IN> Come to think of it ...) >*The A-Team: servants of Stone (they never actually >managed to hit the people they were shooting at, you >know), Doesn't matter. If you're Stone, you get dissonance just for *trying*... >or Flowers (what? They built an armored car >every episode and sprayed automatic weapons fire in >all directions at once, and _still_ nobody ever >died?)? The only person who got any essence rush out of that one was Dark Humor. *g* >You make the call... You made the mistake in assuming that they were *angels*, Moe... Of course, since they were fighting bad guys all the time, they're hardly serving demons, either. So what's left? *Renegades*! (And Outcasts.) I mean, let's see now... Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith -- Outcast Malakite of Destiny. Has his own rules which he never breaks, but outside of that... anything goes! Can always hear the Disturbance made by the (both demonic and angelic) agents pursuing them, and knows just when to get the heck out of dodge. Templeton "Faceman" Peck -- hard to call. His continual con jobs screams "Balseraph", his ability to be friends with everybody and his habits of "love 'em and leave 'em" screams "Impudite". Whatever he is, his former superior was Lust. B.A Baracus -- Renegade Djinn (surly, taciturn, huge, overly protective of his stuff -- yeah, he's a Djinn) of Technology. (Remember, he's also the group's mechanic and Gadgeteer). He went Renegade before Vapula was passing out palmtops, however. Has an Ethereal Discord -- Fear(flying)/6. "Howling Mad" Murdock -- He *said* he was a Renegade from Dark Humor... what he actually is, however, is a (non-outcast) Ofanite of the Wind, hanging with these guys to gently keep steering them in the right direction (and get little things done for Heaven that Heaven doesn't want anybody, least of all the actual doers, to know are being done for them). Uses all that time spent "in VA hospitals" to be reporting in to Janus, assuming Celestial form, and other such activities that would blow his cover. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:30:58 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Come to think of it ... From: "Maurice Lane" > > I _mean_ it. Look at the chains, for God's sake*... If you don't get help at Charter, Moe, please, get help. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:19:29 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) At 2:28 PM -0400 4/22/01, Matthew B. Gerber wrote: >On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Kish wrote: >Don't.... think about him. *Don't.* Don't think about the fact that to >get peo--Humans to stay tuned and pay attention, what you do must be new. Live TV. Survivor, that one where it was a bunch of people in a house, constantly being filmed, all those Reality Shows. Clearly Nybbas' reaction to realizing that anything scripted, no matter how derivative, still has fiction in it. Still has... something created. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:29:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Come to think of it ... >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:26:18 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Uncle Wolf ] [You were bouncing; time to re-s u b. --Beth] >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:20:45 -0500 >From: Uncle Wolf >Reply-To: tomtimb@ionet.net >Subject: Re: IN> Come to think of it ... > >Cameron McCurry wrote: >> >> >> >> > You know, the other guy's standing on a second story balcony with a high >> > power rifle. So 12 strength Malakite hurls Kyriotate of Stone (in garden >> > gnome form) at man with gun. >> >> You realize that I am now going to have nightmares about garden gnome based >> weaponry at this point? > >[snickers at the image] > >At this point, I think I would invoke the "if you weasel, it is dissonant" >rule -- if you got to stretch the rules to cover the situation, like a rules >lawyer, then it doesn't fly. But that is just my personal take on it -- YMMV. > >Tom Timberlake, >Cadre Cherub of Heaven >-- >"Have you ever heard Uncle Wolf cry to the Blue Corn Moon, > Or asked the smiling werejaguar why he grins?..." > -- me, with apologies to Disney Studios for the paraphrase > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:38:12 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: In Nomine Q&A. >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:01:31 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["John Higginbotham" ] [This Message Has Been Edited To Remove MIME. Don't make me do this again. And use double-returns for paragraph breaks. --Beth ] >From: "John Higginbotham" >Subject: In Nomine Q&A. >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:51:21 -0500 > Hello! First off, the standard gushing flattery: I've only been >involved with running an In Nomine campaign for a number of months now, >and in that time my regular World of Darkness campaign has stepped off >and retreated to the back burner while In Nomine swiftly took its place. > The game's atmosphere is that rich and enchanting and flexible, classic >Good-versus-Evil is always entertaining, and I applaud SJ Games for not >molding the game strictly around any sort of hard-nosed hidebound >Christian dogma. Keeping Jesus an enigma was a good move, and I like >Malchristos' theory that Kronos might very well be what's left of Jesus >post-Fall; imagine the implications! Hey, we even have the other gods >like Apollo and Thor running around, and even people who don't follow >the Abrahamic religions (like us Wiccans) have a chance of finding their >ways to Heaven. See? God is in all things, right? That's good >open-minded fare on your part. Novalis be with you! > So now I have five regular and semi-regular players playing through my >player-driven mixed-party campaign (with one Malakite of Destiny, one >Cherub of Creation, one Impudite of Dark Humor, one Soldier of Dark >Humor and one Mummy of the Media...Nybbas must have really sweet-talked >Saminga with THAT one.). I find that, rather than outright forcing the >players into any of the campaign ideas listed in the Infernal Player's >Guide (pg. 86-90), it's better to let the players find their own ways, >thus giving them an even greater sense of control and purpose in the >game. >The Cherub of Creation met the Soldier of Dark Humor in the >soon-to-be-a-Tether-as-soon-as-that-special-sha-BANG-happens comedy club >and the two have started on an in-game romance. The Mummy is secretly >trying to befriend the Soldier in order to get lots of information on >him...the better to have some hard numbers when it's time to rat the >Soldier out to the rival Mafia goons who are looking for him and score a >cool $50,000 from the Mob (also part of the Soldier's background story). > The Malakite just got done putting the screws to the Cherub after said >Cherub successfully invoked Archangel Eli while a suspected Seraph of >Judgement was lurking nearby, and now the two have formed a tenuous >alliance over a stigmata-plagued mortal and the Djinn who wishes to keep >her. The Impudite secretly wants to capture, kill, cook and devour "Mr. >Bojangles," the Mummy's obscenely-pampered pet chicken. The Impudite >also has come to suspect the Cherub of being an angel (after a scuffle >at the comedy club involving the stalking Djinn, the Infernal club >staff, the Cherub and her attuned stigmata girl) and seeks to unearth >more information on her and convert her to the Dark Side somehow, which >he had better do soon since she realizes that there's something "wrong" >about the comedy club--with which the Impudite and a few fellow >Kobalites have a indirect roles in fostering to Tetherhood--and will >likely try to bring the Impudite's plans to an early end once she >ferrets out the truth. >Plus, the Soldier has prompted his own patron to >dream little dreams of going to Heaven and becoming a Mercurian after >due Redemption, and the prying Impudite suspects the Soldier and his >demonic patron--also an Impudite--of getting ready to go Renegade and >jump the fence into Heaven; who knows what our player-driven villain has >in store for them? Muhuhahaha! > See? I already have a good number of plot threads and plot seeds, and >I've hardly lifted a finger! This isn't including the plots 100% of my >own design. This is just from the players alone! Free will rocks. >Just give the players a few juicy bits of information when they go >searching for it and let them do the rest. Not to toot my own >horn--okay, maybe just a little--but perhaps that suggestion should go >into the next printing of the Infernal Player's Guide. Muhuhahaha.... > But anyway, I've already come across a few questions in the course of >my In Nomine campaign, and I checked the Web site's Q&A section but >couldn't find the answers. I was hoping that the knowledgeable folks at >Steve Jackson Games could lend me an ear and a scrap of advice. > > 1) Since my campaign is a mixed party campaign, I find it more >logical and engrossing for the players if I run several plot threads at >once, to give the campaign depth. One of these plots involves the >Fallen angel Shihor, Djinn of Fire (from the Liber Servitorum, with a >few modifications to suit the campaign), whose latest fixation happens >to be a Stigmata-plagued angelic half-breed under the watch of one of >the player characters, the Cherub of Creation. My first question, to >let me know whether or not I goofed right of the bat, is this: Is it >possible for multiple Cherubim and/or Djinn to be attuned to the same >subject? > > 2) In the same vein, Shihor sent Anna (the half-breed) one of those >crazed "love" letters which stalkers are famous for...and the Cherub >found it. The letter is nicely penned and cutely illustrated but >harrowing in intent...enough of Shihor's personal work to make it >subject to the Cherub of Creation attunement. The Cherub has also >recently allied with the Malakite of Destiny, who in her >high-level-and-status Role works for a highly classified paramilitary >Government agency tasked with locating, investigating and (where >necessary) neutralizing any paranormal occurences or entities--which >includes celestials--and who has recently taken involvement with the >Shihor/Anna case. God forbid the agency should find out that there's >actually an angel in their ranks. But anyway, the Malakite would be >quite ready and willing to take down Shihor in order to spare Anna the >fate which would fell her if Shihor managed to get his hooks into her. >They've decided that a first-strike approach would be preferable, to >stop Shihor before he can corner her and brand her (something he >strongly hinted in his letter). But the Malakite cannot find Shihor on >her own; Shihor is much too furtive. The Cherub can easily find Shihor, >but this leads to my next question: Does the Cherubim of Creation >attunement actually invoke the Choir's resonance itself? In other >words, once the Cherub led the Malakite to Shihor, would she then be >obliged to protect the Djinn from her ally, the hostile Malakite? Or >could the Cherub lend the Malakite a hand with beating Shihor down and >sending him back to Hell? > > 3) (Addendum to #2) If the Cherubim of Creation attunement does >indeed protect Shihor, then if protecting Shihor allows him to >jeopardize Anna's destiny and well-being in the future, would the Cherub >gain dissonance for not neutralizing a perpetual threat to one of her >attuned (Anna, in this case) when she had the chance? Or would it only >apply every time Shihor made a move to "protect" Anna? Cherubim would >be wise not to attune themselves to subjects who might come into >conflict with each other.... > > 4) Djinn of Fire can, of course, brand their victims and thus >establish permanent attunements. Shihor will be trying his damnedest to >do just that, since the attunement he already has on Anna only lasts for >three more days; security guards rushed him before he could brand her >the last time he caught up with her. If he actually did manage to brand >her, could the Cherub also use the brand to track down Shihor? Could >any Cherub attuned to Anna follow the brand to the Djinn, or would that >only apply to Eli's Cherubim? > > 5) Celestial combat is tricky, but I have to ask this in case the >Malakite takes her skirmish with Shihor to another level. If a >celestial is stripped of all Corporeal Forces (no Remnant) and all >Celestial Forces (no Heart), leaving nothing but Ethereal Forces, what >becomes of the victim? Does the victim spend forever in this Limbo >which I've only heard about, or would he become a ghost or some other >type of ethereal spirit? > > 6) Another plot thread (about those Kobalites trying to engineer a >new Tether right in the heart of St. Louis) involves a homebrewed >Calabite of Dark Humor, whose trademark weapon is an artifact...a >gaudily decorated sledgehammer. Naturally, she has the skill "Large >Weapon/3 (sledgehammer)." But the proficiency rules on Large Weapon, >Small Weapon, Ranged Weapon and other combat-related skills are unclear. > If Beltheris (the Calabite) wanted to wield another large weapon--say, >a sword--would she use the same skill at the same level? Does the Large >Weapon skill work on ALL large weapons, with the parentheses merely >denoting a common use for the skill? Or would she have to resort to the >default, since she lacks "Large Weapon (sword)"? Could she learn the >same skill multiple times, each covering a different weapon? And could >she use her "sledgehammer" skill for any large weapon with the same use >and feel of a sledgehammer (like a battle axe)? > > That's it for now. Sorry if I got wordy-gurdy there, but I was afraid >of leaving any details out. Again, In Nomine is a great, captivating >game, it's obvious that a lot of time and effort and playtesting (and >Eli) went into its creation, and I hope to still be playing it 20, 30 or >even 40 years from now (provided I live that long, of course. Mortality >sucks.). Keep up the good work, and thank you for your time and help! > >--Ed Higginbotham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:39:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: New Discord: Surreal >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:23:46 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["David Streeter" ] [If you're wondering why you're bouncing, then check the listrules at www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html -- it explains it. --Beth] >From: "David Streeter" >Subject: New Discord: Surreal >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:09:59 +1000 > >I haven't been reading in_nomine-l much lately, so apologies if this discord >has already been done... > >Corporeal Discord: Surreal >-------------------------- >A celestial with the surreal discord betrays his nature much like the "Aura" >discord, but through his vessel obviously not belonging to the corporeal >world. The character might not cast a shadow, or not have a reflection, for >example. >Unlike other discords, the player chooses which one or more ways in which >their character does not interact with the corporeal world correctly (these >are called "surreal features"). Each feature increases the level of the >discord by one, with a maximum of six as usual. >The character suffers a reaction penalty of (corporeal forces + total >discord level) if any surreal features are noticed by an NPC. >SURREAL FEATURES: >* The character casts a shadow shaped like their celestial form, or casts no >shadow. >* The character's reflection is of their celestial form, or has no >reflection. >* Any recording or transmission of the character's voice (including >telephone calls etc) is always in celestial speech, no matter which language >the character originally spoke (or the character's voice simply records as >silence). >* Any videotape or photograph of the character appears as his celestial form >(or a vessel-sized bright light/dark patch). >* The area in a 1 metre radius around the character is always 5 degrees >celsius hotter or cooler than the ambient temperature. >* Animals always react negatively to the character (dogs will growl and >snap, cats will hiss, or may run away, etc). This feature can't be taken by >servitors of Jordi. >* Children under twelve years of age see the character's celestial form >instead of the character's vessel's form. > >Notes: >At GM option, Shedim and Kyriotates may stun humans with reflections or >images of their celestial form. "No Reflection" would be a favourite for >Vampires. Even if only one feature is noticed, the total discord level is >used to calculate reaction penalty. > >-SurturZ >Habbalite of Factions, Angel of Constructive Criticism >http://www.zipworld.com.au/~surturz > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:48:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio of lightning problems (was ...) At 9:39 PM -0400 4/26/01, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >I don't see what they could do with the underwear, personally... underwear >doesn't DO anything. I mean, the attunement doesn't let you possess >objects and suddenly make them walk around, as I read it. WEDGIE OF DOOM! Ahem. Before certain Numinous Corpus errata, our Kyrio of Lightning got into the clothing of various demons and used Acid on them, to amusing effect. (Mind, if they have Generator, they don't _need_ Acid... O:> ) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:55:45 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Lightning (G:IN only) At 7:12 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Dawson wrote: >At 07:06 PM 04/26/2001 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>Go to the Basic Set -- I _believe_ that Fright Check Will rolls _cap_ at >>13 or 14. >>But since the wording is somewhat iffy, you can evily twist it to say >>that. IIRC. ("Will 20? Yeah, well, you're still capped for Fright Checks.") > >"Any Will roll of 14 or over is an automatic failure." p. 93, second >paragraph under Will Rolls. >"A Fright Check is a special type of Will roll ..." p. 93, first paragraph >under Fright Checks. There is no information on Fright Checks not being >subject to the cap of 14. Hmmm.... This may be the Will-rolls-for-disads-cap-at-13, others-don't thing that Kromm was trying to explain. However, it's sufficiently confusing that you can use it against evil players who are being obnoxious with Kyrios of Lightning, and that's all to the good (I presume one could subscribe to the GURPSNet-l and ask around there; a Kromm ruling might be around.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:35:45 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: New Discord: Surreal I *like* the Surreal discord. One could add footprints to the list for the non-humanoid types - -- ophanim, kyriotates, and shedim don't leave any, seraphim and balseraphs leave sidewinder marks, djinn and cherubim leave footprints according to their celestial form. Malakim and Mercurians could occasionally molt stray wing feathers, despite their wings being unmanifest. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:34:59 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) At 2:19 PM -0400 4/27/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 2:28 PM -0400 4/22/01, Matthew B. Gerber wrote: >>On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Kish wrote: >>Don't.... think about him. *Don't.* Don't think about the fact that to >>get peo--Humans to stay tuned and pay attention, what you do must be new. > >Live TV. Survivor, that one where it was a bunch of people in a house, >constantly being filmed, all those Reality Shows. > >Clearly Nybbas' reaction to realizing that anything scripted, no matter >how derivative, still has fiction in it. Still has... something created. How sad it is that after everything... he finds that his beautiful shows are spawning cliches that form metaphors... he cackled with glee as "Voted off the Island" or "You *are* the Weakest Link -- g'bye!" (as said with such verve by one of his better Habbalah of the Media) spread through culture... until they started becoming fodder for poetry, for essays, for exploration... became a part of the cultural heritage, still became *something.* Uh-oh, that vein of his is throbbing again. Better send him to watch Fox for a while.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:16:45 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: "Elizabeth McCoy" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) > Uh-oh, that vein of his is throbbing again. Better send him to watch > Fox for a while.... UPN. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:44:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A different Kyriotate of Lightning question At 3:55 AM -0700 4/27/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >> So it would have to execute the programs to know what was there; if the >> GM allowed "reading" a CD-ROM or whatever, then the Kyrio would get... >> lots of 1s and 0s, which it might be able to translate. This still would >> be unlikely to defeat encryption. > >Um, there's an exception here, I believe. Those with the Kyriotates of Yves >attunement, as well as Kyriotates taking advantage of the expanded Resonance >check results in the APG pg 55 . . . (Those check digit tables are soooooooo nothing I would have allowed by if the book hadn't been at the printer's...) I don't think that Kyrios of Yves would get books or data, though -- they touch the soul's memories, and a book or disk has no soul. Those aren't _memories_, they're physical elements. Just because something's been written on your skin doesn't mean that you automatically know what it is without looking. (Which probably deals with those blasted tables, too.) So while a Kyrio in a book can flip its pages and "look" at them (from the vantage point of the neighboring page; it still needs light to see!), and one in a disk can examine itself carefully for the magnetic patterns, it's still looking at the physical, not gaining access to sapient memories. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:47:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Rules on Resisting At 6:51 PM +0800 4/27/01, James Lee wrote: > I am unable to find the section directly dealing with generic rules on >resisting attacks and such in the core rules book, yet I find references to >resisting throughout the book. I know that it is mostly on a case-by-case >basis, but there seems to be some basic procedure out there that perpetually >eludes me. Can someone please help me by giving me the official rules on >resisting? Thanks a lot! p. 39, The Contest, plus p. 66, Dodging vs. Resisting, plus some stuff regarding Songs. Note that Songs are elaborated on in the Liber Canticorum to make a better distinction between resisting (which requires a Contest, as per p. 39) and negation (which merely requires a successful roll on the victim's part, without necessarily beating the check digit). >Quite besides the point, what's with the flaming of White Wolf? Is there >some kind of rivalry between White Wolf and SJG fans? I happen to play >White Wolf games myself... Let's NOT go there unless it has In Nomine contest. Anyone wishing to discuss it can take it to email. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:49:11 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II At 10:41 PM -0500 4/26/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: >Dominic -- "... errr. Yes, that's right, you're about the only Archangel >that's friends with both of us simultaneously. Never mind, then. As I was (And Laurence. Poor Laurence.) (Only evil people would stick Laurence in at a showing of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.) (Poor Laurence.) - --Beth, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, arcangel@io.com 1 MMorganLP. Oooo! http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:49:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio of lightning problems (was ...) At 12:53 AM -0400 4/27/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: ["You can't dodge your underwear" --Bezek, Kyrio of Lightning, played by David Seiler] >Generator attunement. [...] >Haven't had it happen to me, yet, but that's only because the Kyrio I've got >didn't have enough points left to buy it after finishing out the rest of his >shopping list. Whew. >And while Numinous Corpus: Fangs, Horns, Acid, and Claws require the host to >already possess the relevant body part before Singing may commence, I don't >think NC: Barbs does. (And may Heaven be merciful upon the poor victims if >the Kyrio of Lightning somehow talks a Gabrielite into teaching him how to >sing NC: Flame...) A very good reason to rule that characters only get access to the Liber Canticorum with GM permission... Still, it's the GM's option whether to allow NC at all on objects; this is in the LCant and the GIN Kyrio of Lightning paragraph, IIRC... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:27:48 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) - -----Original Message----- From: Whistling in the Dark To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Cc: Elizabeth McCoy Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) >At 2:19 PM -0400 4/27/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>At 2:28 PM -0400 4/22/01, Matthew B. Gerber wrote: >>>On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Kish wrote: >>>Don't.... think about him. *Don't.* Don't think about the fact that to >>>get peo--Humans to stay tuned and pay attention, what you do must be new. >> >>Live TV. Survivor, that one where it was a bunch of people in a house, >>constantly being filmed, all those Reality Shows. >> >>Clearly Nybbas' reaction to realizing that anything scripted, no matter >>how derivative, still has fiction in it. Still has... something created. > >How sad it is that after everything... he finds that his beautiful >shows are spawning cliches that form metaphors... he cackled with >glee as "Voted off the Island" or "You *are* the Weakest Link -- >g'bye!" (as said with such verve by one of his better Habbalah of the >Media) spread through culture... until they started becoming fodder >for poetry, for essays, for exploration... became a part of the >cultural heritage, still became *something.* > >Uh-oh, that vein of his is throbbing again. Better send him to watch >Fox for a while.... Here you go, Nybbas... A little something for the pain: http://www.plif.com/archive/wc235.gif "News from 2012: The next generation of entertainment will be "Universal Television", in which anyone can watch anyone at any time. Finally made obsolete, the concept of art passes away." The Parking Lot is Full... A weekly peak into Kobal's mind... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:25 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II emccoy@nh.ultranet.com (Elizabeth McCoy) wrote: > (Only evil people would stick Laurence in at a showing of Monty Python > and the Holy Grail.) He'd get through it by watching the armour and equipment. Ironically enough, it's remarkably accurate on period detail - and period mud. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:25 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks cmccurry@earthlink.net (Cameron McCurry) wrote: > Bedeul > Seraph of Lightning > The Angel of Geeks > OK, the real Word he has is "Computer Operating System and Network > Maintenance." But let's face it; everyone calls people like that > "Geeks." Even other angels refer to him as a Geek. It's Sid! (Viz: a character from www.userfriendly.org, a web comic strip that isn't quite as weird as Sluggy Freelance, but has its moments. Like when great Cthulhu turns up demanding an XML training course...) - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:28:58 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: New Discord: Surreal *Way* cool. Y'know, this is one of those posts where I just wish I had something more to say, like neat ideas to add to the list of possible effects or something... but I don't. I just wanted to congratulate the writer. :^) William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:42:00 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... >Observers - and more importantly, the target >- will see what appears to be an sudden cloud of razor >sharp letters appear and pierce the target's very soul >(it's called an A-bomb because, for some reason, using >the letter A works better than any other letter). "F***in' A!" - -- Furfur. An unsolicited testimonial. * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:05:32 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... From: "Jason Schneiderman" > >Observers - and more importantly, the target > >- will see what appears to be an sudden cloud of razor > >sharp letters appear and pierce the target's very soul > >(it's called an A-bomb because, for some reason, using > >the letter A works better than any other letter). I got Jason's reply, but not the original message. Could someone please resend it to me? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:54:30 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:25 +0100 (BST) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) writes: > > He'd get through it by watching the armour and equipment. Ironically > enough, it's remarkably accurate on period detail - and period mud. "Must be an Archangel. 'asn't got shit all over 'im." - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:11:06 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks John Dallman spoke unto us: > > > It's Sid! Yep. I borrowed a little bit of him for this one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:39:58 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks > John Dallman spoke unto us: > > > > > > > It's Sid! > > Yep. I borrowed a little bit of him for this one. Which of course begs the question of how the rest of the UF cast fits into IN. Hey, it worked for Sluggy... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:34:54 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth McCoy" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II > (Only evil people would stick Laurence in at a showing of Monty Python and > the Holy Grail.) No, Evil is sticking Novalis in during a review of [fill in the blank with the most horridly offensive or just plain awful, not even with the redeeming feature of camp movie you can think of] (1) and watching her struggling *so* hard not to swear on Heaven-wide TV... - -- Chuckg (1) -- You know, stuff like "Highlander 2", "Batman & Robin", "Dungeons & Dragons", "Battlefield Earth"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:15:02 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Geeks > Just another thing that needed to be written... > Bedeul > Seraph of Lightning > The Angel of Geeks NOOOOO! I was to be the first! It was to be my idea! (Runs off, screaming with Discord and Dissonance, then falls) Phillip, Mercurian (?) of Eli, Angel (?) of Reinventing the Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... I'm going to Hell when I die, no doubt. ;) Moe Scene: A stage set of a balcony, with two chairs in the forefront. DOMINIC is sitting in the left chair, with a kitten on his lap. Behind him we can see a movie screen on the far wall. Dominic is currently speaking in what appears to be an ordinary cellular phone. Dominic: "... look, Kemuviel, just go ahead and take down the Tether. You-know-Who is distracting the Vidiot, so you'll have plenty of time to go in. Remember to leave the evidence - and use /plastic explosives this time/. Yes, yes, I know, it's a great new superpower that he gave you, and you want to have fun with it, but we want to make it at least *look* like the Traitors are engaging in a little behind-the-scenes political maneuvering, nu? "Why am I talking like this? Because you called me on an unsecured line, and this way nobody would ever believe that _I_ was the one you were talking to..." Voice Offscreen: "THIRTY SECONDS!" Dominic: "Have to run. We're live, tonight. Give 'em Hell... Yes, yes, it's redundant. Give it to them anyway." Dominic hangs up the phone, sits comfortably, and smoothly segues over to female form. Dominique: "Good evening, and welcome again to /Sitting in Judgement/, Heaven's very own movie review show. I'm your host, and if you don't know who I am, then many of your fellow-viewers no doubt deeply envy your naiveté. "Tonight we'll be reviewing a movie that's been out for a while - frankly, Nybbas has been even clumsier than usual lately - but I Know that all of you tune in to see two Archangels glaring at each other, anyway. However, my guest tonight gets along with everybody. I've been meaning to talk to him about that, actually... "But the Inquisition can wait until after the show. Soundman, turn on the applause machine so Marc can come in." MARC, shaking his head while wearing his trademark grin, comes in and sits in the other chair. Marc: "Dominique, you aren't supposed to tell them that, you know." Dominique (shrugging): "They already knew, I'm sure. Anyway, welcome to the show." Marc: "Glad to be here..." Dominique: "Small talk for thirty seconds." Marc: "...and that's just an instruction on the cue cards. It's not supposed to be said aloud." Dominique: "I know. I thought it was funnier this way." Marc: "Well, the cameraman thinks so, at least. What the heck: it's not like we have to worry about ratings. Ready to talk about Chicken Run?" Dominique: "Of course. Really, I thought that movie was thoroughly delightful. A clear moral allegory about the futility of evil, coupled with a strong subtext about how falsehood only causes trouble in the end. The animation was truly artistic, and amazingly detailed, considering the limitations of the medium. Some elements might be a little strong for corporeal children, but there was nothing really objectionable, even there. All in all, I'm amazed that the film was produced by Hollywood." Marc (sourly): "Of course you would be. After all, it wasn't a personal attack on you." Silence. Dominique: "Pardon me?" Marc (Leaning forward): "That film was one of Nybbas' subtler attacks on the Word of Trade. The entire movie was a barely disguised condemnation of the free enterprise system, not to mention a personal slur on me. We won't forget that in a hurry, let me tell you." Another silence. Dominique: "What a ... completely unexpected response. Please continue." Marc: "With pleasure. First of all, let's look at the scenario. We've got a bunch of chickens, trapped in a prison and forced to continuously sacrifice their future in exchange for survival. This is clearly intended to be a vicious parody of modern corporate life: that's insulting enough, but it gets worse. The main villain of the piece is an emotionally starved woman who decides to maximize her 'obscene' profits by converting all of her workers for short-term gain. This is satirical on so many levels: Mrs. Tweedy is clearly intended to evoke the stereotype of the modern female executive, and her evil plans are filled with exaggerated corporate slogans and imagery. Couple that with the cheap exploitation of the average human viewer's fear of corporate layoffs, and the heavy-handed metaphor of Machinery as Agent of Death, and you have a film that sends entirely the wrong message to impressionable children." Dominique (wonderingly): "You actually believe in the Truth of your words. Amazing. But doesn't the fact that the chickens were eventually saved through the use of machinery a refutation of the last point?" Marc: "Well, they had to escape somehow, and Lord knows they couldn't fly..." Dominique: "Indeed. And, now that I think about it, they got many needed parts from two capitalists themselves..." Marc (slightly angry): "What, you mean the rats? Those rats were the worst part! I could have just let the rest of it go, but those rats were the bloody straw that broke the bloody camel's back..." Dominique: "You've lost me, there. What was so wrong with Nick and Fetcher?" Marc: "Good Lord, Nikki, didn't you look at their faces? Whoever designed Nick took especial care to duplicate the face of my favorite vessel! Granted, Fetcher's face was a dead wringer for Mammon, but it was a deliberate slap in the face. Then they made them sneaky, oily, and as for that Infernal dance sequence... Jordi had to keep me from looking up the animation studio, then and there..." Dominique: "Wait a second. Jordi went to a movie?" Marc: "Well, I had a buy one, get one free ticket, so I had to take somebody." Dominique: "Still, it's a bit odd. Couldn't you have taken Jean along?" Marc: "He didn't want to see anything done with claymation. He thinks it's passe. Besides, he had already decided to watch Toy Story II again." Dominique: "What about Novalis?" Dominique holds up her hand. "Never mind: if you had taken her..." Marc: "Right, I would have had to go see a movie that she chose. And you know what that would have meant..." Both together: "Shaft." A pause. Dominique: "You know, it wasn't precisely a bad film, really." Marc: "Sure, the first 72 times that you see it. But she hums the theme music afterwards, you know. Worse, what if she had suggested that we stay home and watch Pulp Fiction again?" Dominique: "God, remember that Dirty Harry marathon? How does she manage to reconcile her taste in movies with her Word, anyway?" Marc: "Wouldn't you know?" Dominique: "She blocks. Anyway, why didn't you get Laurence?" Marc: "There wasn't anything adapted from a Kurosawa film showing." Dominique (weakly): "Gabriel?" Marc (through gritted teeth): "You can't smoke in theaters anymore." Pause. Marc: "I'm sorry. Even for the Author, that was an extremely lame joke." Dominique: "I could tell that you didn't want to say it." Marc: "Can't you talk to him? We are Archangels, after all..." Dominique: "Who, me? What makes you think that he'll listen to me? Don't forget, this is a man who thinks that I'm much more interesting if I've got the Malakim's answer to Jiminy Cricket following me around..." Voice off screen clears throat. Dominique: "...Yes, Bronwen, you've been invaluable, so I don't mind that. Too much. But then, there's this little matter of the kitten, too..." Marc: "Come on, Nikki, I won't defend him, but he didn't come up with the kitten." Dominique: "But he stole it shamelessly, didn't he just? And the cloak idea was his fault. Do you know hard it is to put the fear of the Righteous Anger of the Lord into a Heretical when you've got a kitten wearing a cloak on your shoulder? No, you wouldn't: he likes *you*. He gave you a spy agency and only makes you teach sex-education classes. _You_ tell him how unreasonable he's being." Marc: "Yes, but he puts bad jokes in my mouth. For example, I can feel myself becoming so defensive that I'm about to blurt out a comment about how I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..." A GENERIC PERSON runs out. Generic Person: "NOBODY EXPECTS THE..." The Generic Person notes that Marc, Dominique _and_ the kitten have somehow acquired flaming swords. Of course, the kitten's is much smaller. Generic Person: "Umm, never mind." The Generic Person exits. Marc: "That was close. Hmm... I think that the Author's counting pages. We may be out of this soon." Dominique: "Probably. Anyway, I gave Chicken Run a thumbs-up. Marc?" Marc: "Thumbs-down." Dominique: "And - thankfully - we're out of time. Tune in next week, when hopefully I'll be given lines by someone that's a bit more respectful. Until then, thanks for watching /Sitting in Judgement/!" Lights fade, credits run. Marc looks around. Marc: "Dominic? Mind if I ask a question?" Dominic sighs. Dominic: "Go ahead..." He pets his slightly miffed kitten. Marc: "You're still trying to track down Eli and put him on trial, right?" Dominic (wary): "The knowledge of Eli's whereabouts and eventual accounting for his actions are of prime importance to me, yes." Marc: "So why are all of your technical crew Creationers?" End Scene. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2186 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.