From bob@werple.apana.org.au Fri Feb 26 20:57:47 1993 Return-Path: Date: 26 Feb 1993 13:16:51 +1100 (EST) From: Bob Blanchett Subject: CFV rec.games.miniatures To: hcobb@fly2.berkeley.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Length: 9702 CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of a new newsgroup REC.GAMES.MINIATURES This is a Call for Votes (CFV) for the creation of Rec.Games.Miniatures, a new unmoderated newsgroup. Voting Deadline is 28th March, 1993. Contents. 1. Voting Instructions 2. Mail Problems 3. Call for Vote (CFV) procedure from "How to create a new usenet newsgroup" 4. Precis of Group Proposal 5. Thanks to M.I.T. for providing a vote site. 1. Voting Instructions: In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a MAIL message to the address: mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu Posted votes will not be counted. Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted. Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, in the BODY of the mail message: vote rec.games.miniatures yes vote rec.games.miniatures no vote rec.games.miniatures abstain The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation of the newsgroup. The third line cancels any previous vote for or against the creation of the newsgroup. Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address. If multiple votes are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only one counted. The subject line of your mail will be ignored. You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its receipt, within two days. 2. Mail problems. If you do not receive a response to your vote or if you have some other problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to postmaster@pit-manager.mit.edu. If your site does not understand that address, you might try: mail-server%pit-manager.mit.edu@athena.mit.edu mit-athena!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server uunet!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can help you address the mail properly. 3. Call for vote procedure The Vote 1) AFTER the discussion period, if it has been determined that a new group is really desired, a name and charter are agreed upon, and it has been determined whether the group will be moderated and if so who will moderate it, a call for votes may be posted to news.announce.newgroups and any other groups or mailing lists that the original request for discussion might have been posted to. There should be minimal delay between the end of the discussion period and the issuing of a call for votes. The call for votes should include clear instructions for how to cast a vote. It must be as clearly explained and as easy to do to cast a vote for creation as against it, and vice versa. It is explicitly permitted to set up two separate addresses to mail yes and no votes to provided that they are on the same machine, to set up an address different than that the article was posted from to mail votes to, or to just accept replies to the call for votes article, as long as it is clearly and explicitly stated in the call for votes article how to cast a vote. If two addresses are used for a vote, the reply address must process and accept both yes and no votes OR reject them both. 2) The voting period should last for at least 21 days and no more than 31 days, no matter what the preliminary results of the vote are. The exact date that the voting period will end should be stated in the call for votes. Only votes that arrive on the vote-taker's machine prior to this date will be counted. 3) A couple of repeats of the call for votes may be posted during the vote, provided that they contain similar clear, unbiased instructions for casting a vote as the original, and provided that it is really a repeat of the call for votes on the SAME proposal (see #5 below). Partial vote results should NOT be included; only a statement of the specific new group proposal, that a vote is in progress on it, and how to cast a vote. It is permitted to post a "mass acknowledgement" in which all the names of those from whom votes have been received are posted, as long as no indication is made of which way anybody voted until the voting period is officially over. 4) ONLY votes MAILED to the vote-taker will count. Votes posted to the net for any reason (including inability to get mail to the vote-taker) and proxy votes (such as having a mailing list maintainer claim a vote for each member of the list) will not be counted. 5) Votes may not be transferred to other, similar proposals. A vote shall count only for the EXACT proposal that it is a response to. In particular, a vote for or against a newsgroup under one name shall NOT be counted as a vote for or against a newsgroup with a different name or charter, a different moderated/unmoderated status or (if moderated) a different moderator or set of moderators. 6) Votes MUST be explicit; they should be of the form "I vote for the group foo.bar as proposed" or "I vote against the group foo.bar as proposed". The wording doesn't have to be exact, it just needs to be unambiguous. In particular, statements of the form "I would vote for this group if..." should be considered comments only and not counted as votes. 7) A vote should be run only for a single group proposal. Attempts to create multiple groups should be handled by running multiple parallel votes rather than one vote to create all of the groups. The Result 1) At the completion of the voting period, the vote taker must post the vote tally and the E-mail addresses and (if available) names of the voters received to news.announce.newgroups and any other groups or mailing lists to which the original call for votes was posted. The tally should include a statement of which way each voter voted so that the results can be verified. 2) AFTER the vote result is posted, there will be a 5 day waiting period, beginning when the voting results actually appear in news.announce.newgroups, during which the net will have a chance to correct any errors in the voter list or the voting procedure. 3) AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that might invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes are received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent out. If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is not met, the group should not be created. 4) The newgroup message will be sent by the news.announce.newgroups moderator at the end of the waiting period of a successful vote. If the new group is moderated, the vote-taker should send a message during the waiting period to Gene Spafford and David C. Lawrence with both the moderator's contact address and the group's submission address. 5) A proposal which has failed under point (3) above should not again be brought up for discussion until at least six months have passed from the close of the vote. This limitation does not apply to proposals which never went to vote. 4. Precis of group proposal. PURPOSE The newsgroup "rec.games.miniatures" would be a forum for discussing the all aspects of the hobby of tabletop miniature wargaming of all periods, from figure painting, terrain construction, historical information and army and unit composition through to rulesets, tabletop tactics, scenarios, campaigning and competitions. A "rec.games.miniatures" newsgroup would provide its readers an opportunity to discuss their experiences with other hobbyists, sharing skills, ideas, information and techniques on topics discussed. One major aim of the group is to provide a focus for hobbyists on the net to gain assistance from others in finding solutions to specific problems, e.g. locating information and sources for a topic or range of figures, rules or terrain materials or providing information on a new period a player wishes to try out. CONTENT This newsgroup is open to tabletop miniature wargamers of ALL periods and genres. The periods concerned are too many to enumnerate here. Q & A Sourcing of - Figures. - Rules. - Terrain Materials. - Other miscellaneous equipment. Information - To help locate primary and secondary sources for army/unit/tactical or battlefield research. - For beginners and players regarding gaming the various periods on the table. - To help promote organised miniature wargaming at clubs, competitions and conventions. - "How-to.." assistance in figure painting, painting guides and terrain and building construction and game-play. - Announcements and reviews of new rulesets, figure ranges and competions as posted by the readership. - Locating players and opponents for Face-to-Face battles. - Locating playtesters and campaign participants - Posting of scenarios and campaigns. Discussion of ideas, rulesets, figures, opinions and events about or concerning miniature wargaming by miniature wargamers. 5. Thanks to M.I.T. for providing a vote site. My thanks go to Jonothan Kamens for providing a vote site for this proposal..Bob Blanchett The hardware resources for vote collection are being provided by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The vote-collection software is being provided by Jonathan Kamens . Neither MIT nor Jonathan Kamens has anything to do with the newsgroup proposal; they're just collecting the votes as a neutral third party. ************************* Bob Blanchett bob@werple.apana.org.au