============ OGRE/GEV list, December 15th (Last: December 12th) ============= ===== Ogre Products From: sj@io.com (Steve Jackson) From: sdorr@ix.netcom.com (Scott David Orr) ===== JUGGERNAUT - The Indian Cybertank From: "David Paulowich" ------------------------------ From: sj@io.com (Steve Jackson) Subject: Ogre Products Steve Murphy wrote: >I checked out Steve Jackson's page and there does seem to be >one Ogre related item for sell ($9.95), but I have no idea what >the heck it is. Actually, if I remember correctly, the Ogre Miniatures book is the only Ogre thing we have *right now* - still working on getting the miniatures back "in print." The $9.95 product was the boxed Ogre and GEV minigames combined, but I think we're out of that. Our catalog page shows Ogre Miniatures as all we have right now... I checked the web; what you hit was our OGRE front page, and the information on it is grossly out of date. The page maintainer reads this list (Hi, Richard!) - I bet it will be fixed soon. Unless it HAS been fixed in a web page that has not been posted yet, or something like that. Steve Jackson - yes, of SJ Games - yes, we won the Secret Service case Learn Web or die - http://www.io.com/sjgames/ - dinosaurs, Lego, Kahlua! The heck with PGP keys; finger for Geek Code. Fnord. ----- From: sdorr@ix.netcom.com (Scott David Orr) Subject: Ogre Products Figs will be hard to come by, but you should be able to find copies of things if you check rec.games.board.marketplace periodically--they'll come up for auction or sale there eventually. You might also find a few on rec.games.frp.marketplace. Hm...I think there's a rec.games.miniatures.marketplace, and you might find something there. Also, I know of at least one used-games dealer on the net--Michael Dean's Fine Games can be reached at m.dean@genie.geis.com. You can download his catalogs, including one of used games, at ftp.teleport.com/pub/vendors/finegms/.read_me.txt, though I don't if he'd carry Ogre. Scott Orr ------------------------------ From: "David Paulowich" Subject: JUGGERNAUT - The Indian Cybertank A long time ago in a distant Space Gamer, the Iron Mountain scenario introduced the Mark IIIB cybertank. Like the "4 SB Fencer" from the same issue, it was much larger than the standard Mark III. Tom Warner's OGRE Construction Set web page seems to have these units in mind when setting upper limits for the total defense strength, which he adjusts by counting one-half point for each internal missile. Suppose that an optimal balance of mass and firepower was finally achieved in the Mark IIIJ cybertank: two (2) Main Batteries, four (4) Secondary Batteries, and twelve (12) AP. Produced for export only, the cost was about 110 victory points. This "no frills" cybertank would be just right for India to produce (under licence) as the JUGGERNAUT. These thoughts were prompted by Henry's remarks concerning India at the end of the Feb. 18th posting. I prefer the IIIJ to be a PANE design, but it works just as well for a COMBINE/India alliance. JUGGERNAUT lives up to its name when matched against armies long on militia and short on armor. But can anything smaller than a IIIB handle the following 100vp force, based on Henry's French Light Missile Tank notes in the same posting? Take ten (10) Light Tanks, each carrying a Heavy Weapon Squad, and five (5) GEVs. Hurl them against the treads and Main Batteries, reducing the cybertank to a strike range of 8 inches (4 hexes). Then the surviving GEVs can attack with impunity. David Paulowich paulo@isn.net CYBERTANK DIVISION FNORD MOTOR COMPANY ------------------------------ Henry J. Cobb hcobb@io.com http://www.io.com/~hcobb All OGRE-related items Copyright (c) 1996, by Steve Jackson Games.