============ OGREverse list, Nov 24th (Last: Nov 18th) ============= ===== Battletech Minis From: Adrian Dillon ===== OGRE Goodies, or something... From: "Noah V. Doyle" ===== Regarding lasers, tiny nukes From: Jpattern@aol.com From: "Montgomery" ===== Mega Scenario From: Adrian Dillon ===== Ogre mini rulebook and some miniatures for sale From: "Peter Salekin" ===== Bid for Ogre miniatures From: Dave Flitton ===== Where is V_MAP? From: "Grogan, Paul" ------------------------------ From: Adrian Dillon Subject: Battletech Minis How about a selective eval of the suitability of Battletech(tm) minatures for use in Ogre Mini's? I haven't found an illustrated catalog on the web to compare. Come to think of it what about Ogre Stats for Battletech(tm)? I would like to see a few of those snooty Mechwarriors(tm) flattened under tread! ----- [SJGames has a webpage that skips over the Battletech line in the search for alternative minis. There have been many such suggestions on this list, but AV.com lost the index to my pages! (I suppose I'll need to make a topical index myself at some point.) -HJC] ------------------------------ From: "Noah V. Doyle" Subject: OGRE Goodies, or something... Found a few more goodies for you OGRE fans out there... First, another map, for those who play the counter game (like me...) TAC AIR, by Avalon Hill, has a -great- 1 mile/hex map of central Germany, covering Bamberg, Bayreuth, Coburg and Sonnenburg, the Hof Gap back in the Bad Old Days. The terrain is nearly perfect, with open, forest, urban, rivers on the hexsides with bridges, roads...just treat the hills and rough as forest, you should be fine. About 2 feet by 3 feet. Worth a search through your local game stores, or whatever online used-game resources you can find. Second, something a little different. Books. 'Demon-4' and 'Fire Lance' by David Mace. Little known, well written novels, both set after nuclear wars. 'Demon-4' is the story of a cyborg sub (done very non-cheesy and -creepy-) sent to take out what is essentially a static OGRE in installation form that guards the Antarctic oil fields, after a talk-down attempt goes fatally awry. 'Fire Lance' is about one of the last surviving nuclear battlecruisers, sent to deliver its payloads against an already-devastated USSR, in a Northern Hemisphere that is in the grips of a nuclear winter. The ship is quite high-tech, and designed to fight and survive in a nuclear engagement - interesting ideas of how an OGRE might be designed, especially seagoing. Both of these books gave good insight into automation, atomic-battlefield design, and were wonderfully evocative of the desolation of such conflicts. Sadly, out of print, but something you treadheads might like. Made me think of the Factory States era... Noah V. Doyle ----- [Ha! I've already got two OGRE-related authors on Dmoz already! I'm not gonna apply for that category unless you can find ten high quality web links for the author. -HJC] ------------------------------ From: Jpattern@aol.com Subject: Regarding lasers, tiny nukes Henry wrote: << How small can you make a nuke? >> Not that this has anything to do with air-carried lasers, but I remember reading ten or fifteen years ago about briefcase-nukes. Easily man-portable, and capable of leveling a city block, IIRC. I can't recall if they had already been made and tested (by the US) or if some official or expert was only speculating and warning everyone about the *capability* of producing one, especially "terrorist nations". So briefcase-sized nukes are certainly possible. Smaller nukes would depend on the minimum amount of fissionable material capable of creating a thermonuclear explosion, and that's beyond my knowledge of nuclear physics. (Quark, didn't he write 2001?) Jeff Moore jpattern@aol.com ----- From: "Montgomery" Subject: Regarding lasers, tiny nukes A tech-geek friend of mine who follows this sort of thing informed me that current micronuke technology, softball-sized is not beyond reach. The price paid is very short shelf life (super-enriched fuel, don'tcha know). Perhaps posit 'piconukes:' an order of magnitude below micronukes with, say, dekaton yields? No doubt electrical storage/generation systems are better in the future, permitting efficient electrically powered lasers. The same friend related stories of near-current experimental anti-aircraft lasers of both the electric and chemical varieties. The conventional laser required something on the order of 5000 gallons of jet fuel to power a 2 or 3 second burst. The chemical laser burned a slurry of aluminum powder in kerosene, doped with hydrogen peroxide: the residue etched the aluminum skins on the chase planes ten miles downwind. I'm recalling this from a conversation a year or two ago, so pardon me if the science has gotten garbled. Always interested, Gary ------------------------------ From: Adrian Dillon Subject: Mega Scenario No way is this scenario balanced. I created this as a theoretical "6th Fleet" of Ogres vs. an infantry division. This division is light on trucks and support. It could be supposed that they, along with the Divison reserve are elsewhere. I am playing out the secenario solitare on a 16mm hex map. There is only a futile attempt at getting the Order of Battle right. The Ogres are designed to support each other in an ad-hoc task group. I have them enter from under water, about 2 rounds between waves. The Coleancanth ogres would be towed ny the MK 4's in water tight, neutrally bouyant cases timed to break away and rise to the surface as the force reaches the beach. I would suggest terrain that screens the Ogres from a straight run on the OBJ. --0-846930886-942971100=:15243 Content-Type: application/msword; name="PanEuropeanDiv.doc" --0-846930886-942971100=:15243-- ----- [Content removed, not plaintext. If you'll provide it in HTML, I'll post it. -HJC] ------------------------------ From: "Peter Salekin" Subject: Ogre mini rulebook and some miniatures for sale I have found a place in town that still has two copies of the rule book and a few of the miniatures for sale. The store has a web page www.sentrybox.com Send them an email for current price. I think the rule book is going for 13.00 canadian Peter ------------------------------ From: Dave Flitton Subject: Bid for Ogre miniatures Once in a while you can bid for Ogre Minis, rules and the like on E-Bay. If you bid often enough and aren't worried about the cost, you can get almost every piece ever offered by Ral Partha. Dave Flitton ------------------------------ From: "Grogan, Paul" Subject: Where is V_MAP? OK, but where is the V_MAP site? ----- [Follow the web address at the bottom of this page. Click on the link of OGRE in big letters. This will take you to http://dmoz.org/Games/Board_Games/Space_Combat/Ogre/ Scroll down past the Lego Ogre, until you hit the bottom of this list (don't worry, it isn't very long) and click on V_MAP. This will take you to http://zircher.iwarp.com/v_map.html -HJC] Henry J. Cobb ogre@sjgames.com http://www.io.com/~hcobb All OGRE-related items Copyright (c) 1999, by Steve Jackson Games.