From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Fri Oct 24 17:07:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04164 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:07:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA16726 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:00:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:00:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199710242200.RAA16726@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #432 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 432 In this digest: Re: IN> DV GCP's IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 1 10/24/97 IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre IN> [FLUFF] 13 Seraphs and the Truth Re: IN> DV GCP's Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 1 10/24/97 IN> [FLUFF] Celestials in the Crosswalk Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre IN> Dumb IN Jokes Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 IN> The Odd Celestials IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After Re: IN> The Odd Celestials Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 2 10/24/97 Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 2 10/24/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:46:19 -0500 From: Jaeden Subject: Re: IN> DV GCP's Ever think about what is up in the upper levels? HUman souls.....maybe the GCP's are in fact the humans who reached trancendence and became higher than the archangels themselves. Jaeden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:13:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Again, a Digest-style reply. *sigh* From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Return of Uriel? >Archangel Beth suggested; >> (I, myself, have been having mild amused notions of a little >> sneak-team composed *mostly* of demons, sneaking into Tartarus >> commando style, with one high-ranking angel along to talk to >> the Malakim and say, "Yves and Eli say don't kill the demons >> that I'm here to rescue you with. Got that? Yeah, they're running >> things pretty much now. Promise, no mayhem unless somebody hits >> first? Okay, I can let you out now.") > Heh...*clink clink* "There, you're free. Waah! What're you >doing?" > "I never swore any Oath to keep promises, sucker." This is why you have to send a Bright Lilim with the group, to make sure they keep their promises... Or a very pained-looking Malakite who can mutter, "No, don't kill them. Orders. From Yves and Eli. Don't kill the demons who are trying to free you. Orders from the Seraphim Council What's Left Of It. I have to protect the demons who are working with us." From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] On the Granting of Words >And since it's not all that easy, even then, we have the laborious processes >of Word approval on both sides. > >So, in DV, you have the (much smaller) Seraphim Council- > > LUCIFER: I wonder if we should rename it the Mercurian Council? He got a sense of humor for going Bright? >That's my take, anyway... but Beth, John, Derek, this needs help. Your input >would be MUCH appreciated, that way I can make DV more true to IN. It's something that I've got my eye on... From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Dominic, Demon Prince of Cleansing >(OK, last comment on DV, just cos I think Dom gets such a bad rap) > >Kingsley Lintz wrote: > >>Earl queried; >>> Which raises the converse question -- where did Dominic's surviving >>> angels go when their Archangel fell? The new Powers That Be in >> Many of them may well have gone with him... > >So, what happens when a Superior falls or is redeemed? I guess some >minions will have such faith in their maker (canon assumes that >superiors create their own servants, right?) (Many of them, and adopt Relievers/Imps/Gremlins for others.) >that they'll continue to >blindly follow into the unknown. But there will be others who won't or >can't bear to go against their own natures, even if it leaves them >feeling guilty for the dereliction of duty for the rest of their lives. >(ie. The servants of Dominic who stop in confusion and cry out 'But.. >thats not FAIR!' etc etc). > >My guess? Their hearts literally break. Its very sad. Presumably they >can lobby other superiors to take them on .. if they can find the >heart(sic) to do it. Their Hearts probably hang around, somewhere. But they are then stuck with needing to find someone else to shelter with. (Except for Lilim, who go, "Hey, you know what this means, sis?" "What?" "It means we're Free now." "Good point. How many Geasa you got?" "Oh, a couple dozen -- lost a lot when holders got trashed. You?" "About the same. Let's scram before somebody figures this out. We is *Free* Daughters now!!" Hm. I wonder if angels can shatter their Hearts like demons... From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] On the Granting of Words >Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> -you have the Seraphim Council, and you have Saminga on the Granite >> Throne, and only they can give a Celestial a Word and make it stick. > >I haven;t bought "Heaven and Hell" yet, so I may have missed something, >but is the "Granite Throne" your own invention? Does possession of >it give power, like possession of Sauron's One Ring? Yes and, Yes, apparently. From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> B5 Victory >Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >>> >So what happens to angels and demons who are corporeally killed in DV? I >>> >assume they go to heaven or hell - but that'd be fun trying to get back to >>> >Earth, eh? >>> >>> I would assume they wind up staring at their Hearts, whereever those >>> Hearts may be. Or, for the Heartless, they wind up in Limbo. (_Heaven >>> & Hell_, p. 79.) > >I need a quick description of Limbo so I can finalize the DV Corp-Death >rules. However, I'm going to guess it plays out like this: Limbo is nowhere. Limbo is where Heartless demons and angels go. They spend weeks in Trauma, and then they wake up. In total sensory deprivation. Artifacts don't follow them. Nothing does. "All you can do in Limbo is wait. Wait and think. Wait and think, and rememeber . . . and regenerate Essence." You can get *gobs* of Essence here, slowly, a point a week -- more than your Forces. You're gonna need it, to get out... You can build a Vessel out of Essence. Lots and lots and lots of Essence. But don't freak out there, or you'll lose all your horded Essence and have to build it up again. Alone. In nothingness.... Nothing touches Limbo, inside or out. Well, sort of -- if you fling Essence into Limbo (or use the Celestial Song of Tongues), you can send a brief message along with each point. If the person is there, they get the message, add the Essence to their horde, and are cheered (maybe) by knowing that they're not forgotten. If they're not there, they don't get the Essence (unless using Cel.Song of Tongues); it's wasted. Nobody inside Limbo can communicate with those outside Limbo. Or with anyone else inside Limbo, for that matter. It's the ultimate hiding place. If it's even a place, and not existing within the gaps in the Symphony itself. >* Demons who served Nybbas or Andrealphus have had their hearts taken to >Lucifer's Lighthouse in Heaven. Free Lilim who posessed their own Hearts and >defected along with Lilith have also moved them to Lucifer's Lighthouse. Free Lilim who didn't have Hearts wind up in Limbo, too... (You don't need a Heart to leave Hell... That's Errata.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:10:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 1 10/24/97 At 1:25 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) >>Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] General Observation >> >>>>At 12:44 PM -0500 10/23/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>>> >>>>(Yes, her Tower and Blandine's fell down. Do you really want to >>>>chance that they aren't off together somewhere, having said, >>>>"A plague on both their houses. Remember that little dreamscape >>>>back in the Far Marches? The one with the chocolate and sextoys?" >>>>and reassigning their Words will get one or both of them back >>>>going *ahem*?) >>>> >>>I'd originally planned on B&B to slay each other in the classic 'tragic >>>lover' schtick, but if you can come up with a cool adventure seed playing >>>them as having 'gone native' in the Etherial Realm... go for it. }:-{D >> >>Who, me? I'm just tossing out ideas and seeing what happens. Though >>I think I'd leave them "missing, presumed dead" and spread rumors, >>propaganda and misinformation. > >Tsk. I was countin' on ya here, Beth... already had someone suggest that B&B >defected to the Pagan Gods... Then *they* can write it up. I have enough on my plate doing my fiction people in a DV universe. (I'll send you that if you want. 9.5 pages before breakfast. Hmph.) >>>>(Hmmmm.... *HMMMMMM*.... Though we do want to support our local >>>>comic shop... You'd have to tempt SJ or one of the other bigger >>>>Superiors. Though it could tempt... Has a new Athena come out >>>>recently?) >>>> >>>#11 is the latest issue I know of- I have copies on reserve through AM Works. >> >>Whaaaa! I don't think we have that one. >> >>>Redneck (it's good to own a mail-order comics company- until you gotta go to >>>the USPS) >> >>When they're on strike. >> >Been a while since the United States Postal Service (the post office) went >on strike.... when was the last strike, 1763? }:-{D Oh, right, there's another S in there. Been staring at these funky little ascii buggers for a while... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:26:17 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre Howcome Malakim will work for Lust & not the Media? Eli assign some of his to infiltrate Andre's ranks? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:07:41 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [FLUFF] 13 Seraphs and the Truth Thirteen Seraphs, one of each major Archangel, were asked to analyze a simple statement. The statement was true for all basic tests. Here are their responses: Seraph of Blandine: This is true... tell me, did you get this question from someone else's Dream? Seraph of David: Let's see you prove you deserve to know if this is true. Seraph of Dominic: The statement is true, if bordering on heresy... are your motivations for asking me this pure? Do not think you can escape judgement... Seraph of Eli: Yeah, it's the truth! Wow, that was a really neat puzzler, though. I bet you're a really clever person, aren't you? Let's try that again! Seraph of Gabriel: Yes, yes, it's true, now get out of my way, I've got people to smite. Seraph of Janus: I'd say that there's a better than average chance that this is the truth... of course, Seraphs have been mistaken before... have you tried asking Dominic's Seraphim? Seraph of Jean: Just a moment, I read it somewhere... yes, yes, it's quite true. Seraph of Jordi: You know very well it's true. Do you get some sick enjoyment from taunting me? Maybe you'd like to dangle a shiny flashy thing with a hook attached in front of me next, hm? Seraph of Laurence: Definitely true. If anybody tells you otherwise, you come tell me and I'll straighten it out. Seraph of Marc: It's true. That'll be 2 Essence for my time and consulting fee. Seraph of Michael: It's true. May I get back to my Tai Chi practice now? Seraph of Novalis: It looks true enough to me. You seem kinda uptight, though. Here, let me give you a nice relaxing backrub... Seraph of Yves: It's true, as far as it goes, but there are subtle inaccuracies you wouldn't understand unless you've studied the philosophies of Chung Chi or the research on human psychological patterns in herding habits from Johnathan Rickelmeyer... --- Redneck (a nice little break from DV stuff) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:42:51 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> DV GCP's >Ever think about what is up in the upper levels? HUman souls.....maybe >the GCP's are in fact the humans who reached trancendence and became >higher than the archangels themselves. > Not particularly, since the odds of PC's meeting GCP's are remote even in IN. In DV, they're zero, since the Upper Levels are not only cut off but totally removed from this Universe. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:49:59 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre >Howcome Malakim will work for Lust & not the Media? Eli assign >some of his to infiltrate Andre's ranks? > Andre's one redeeming quality is that he's fairly up front with his schemes and designs. Sure, he'll plot behind your back, but when caught he doesn't bother to deny it. He's very honest with his personal feelings about others. For the most part, he and his Servitors don't try to control anyone any farther than basic seduction. For purposes of being 'evil', Andre and Nybbas are about the same in Malakite eyes. For honor purposes, though, Andre gets the brownie points. (And more to the point, I came up totally dry on anything for Media Malakim to do except bodyguarding, and between Cherubim, Djinn and Calabim that's covered.) Redneck (got a better idea?) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:55:07 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 1 10/24/97 >>Tsk. I was countin' on ya here, Beth... already had someone suggest that B&B >>defected to the Pagan Gods... > >Then *they* can write it up. I have enough on my plate doing my fiction >people in a DV universe. (I'll send you that if you want. 9.5 pages >before breakfast. Hmph.) > Drool, I say drool, ma'am, I say I shore would be delighted to see it. Charmed, that is. }:-{D Redneck (BTW, their premise had a couple fatal flaws, Beleth's hatred of humans being the biggie) (P. S. Weird thought... picture Beleth and Blandine hiding out as roommates in a Boston apartment...) BEL: Mr'nmnmn. BLAN: Coffee's on the stove, dearest... BEL: mfnfmnthnks... *SLURP* Gah! (leans out window) BE QUIET OUT THERE, YOU PATHETIC WRIGGLING LITTLE WORMS! (closes window) damn humans... BLAN: Oh, let's not go there again this morning, love... - -- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:40:38 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [FLUFF] Celestials in the Crosswalk Why did the Elohite cross the road? Because, objectively speaking, the chicken knew what it was doing. Why did the Cherub cross the road? To protect the chicken. Why did the Ofanite cross the road? Because it was faster than going around. Why did the Kyrotiate cross the road? Because he was already there. Why did the Djinn cross the road? Because I wanted to, OKAY? Is that OKAY with you? It's not like I liked it any better over here or anything... Why did the Calabite cross the road? Because there was this neat bank clock on the other side... Why did the Habbalite cross the road? Because you like it better on the other side, don't you? Don't I? ARRRRRGH!!! Why did the Lilim cross the road? She'll tell you if you do her a favor... Why did the Shedim cross the road? To do something very nasty to the Girl Scout troop on the other side... Why did the Impudite cross the road? To rescue the Girl Scouts and drain their Essence. Why did the Malakim cross the road? To slay the Servitor of Kobal on the other side. Why did the Balseraph cross the road? He never crossed the road. You must be thinking of that other Balseraph with the black wings and sunglasses... Why did the Mercurian cross the road? Everyone else is doing it. Go with the flow. and finally... Why did the Seraph cross the road? To get to the other side... why else? I don't get it... Redneck (Why did Mulder and Scully cross the road? Because the truth is out there.) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:04:52 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 >From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) >Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] On the Granting of Words > >>So, in DV, you have the (much smaller) Seraphim Council- >> >> LUCIFER: I wonder if we should rename it the Mercurian Council? > >He got a sense of humor for going Bright? Of course. It's part of his job to go around making Light of things. };-{D Redneck (seriously, he did, and it's a gentle, quiet humor) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:15:57 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Lessee... they could: Hunt down sabboteurs of the comm network. Hunt down enemy propagandists and censors. Rebut enemy propaganda (combat on the verbal or artistic level). Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:25:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Nybbas vs Andre At 2:49 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>Howcome Malakim will work for Lust & not the Media? Eli assign >>some of his to infiltrate Andre's ranks? >> >Andre's one redeeming quality is that he's fairly up front with his schemes >and designs. Sure, he'll plot behind your back, but when caught he doesn't >bother to deny it. He's very honest with his personal feelings about others. >For the most part, he and his Servitors don't try to control anyone any >farther than basic seduction. > >For purposes of being 'evil', Andre and Nybbas are about the same in >Malakite eyes. For honor purposes, though, Andre gets the brownie points. I still suspect that all Malakim of Lust are "in service to," and actually are reporting to a *real* Archangel... >(And more to the point, I came up totally dry on anything for Media Malakim >to do except bodyguarding, and between Cherubim, Djinn and Calabim that's >covered.) > >Redneck (got a better idea?) (Hmmmm..... They could encroach into the old Lightning Malakim schticks, much as the Ofanim do. Perhaps they're experts at tweaking communications hardware -- Internet, printing presses, etc.?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:31:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Dumb IN Jokes [This is all Redneck's fault... Some stuff that I wrote up a while back.] Okay, so there's a Seraph and an Elohite and a Renegade Lilim at a bar... No, really. Of course, they're all working there. But when it's late, after they've closed... [Moral: Roleplaying at 3am gets strange.] [[Teri is the Seraph of Creation in service to Destiny. Barb is a Cherub of Fire with an attitude; she's not present, though.]] "How many Calabim does it take to change a light bulb?" "How many light bulbs do you have?" "How many Djinn does it take to change a light bulb?" "Who cares?!" "How many Elohim does it take to change a light bulb?" "Well, first he has to evaluate the benefits of illumination over the darkness..." "How many Impudites does it take to change a light bulb?" "Hey, buddy, pal, can you do this little thing for me?" "How many Lilim does it take to change a light bulb?" "What's it worth to you?" "How many Mercurians does it take to change a light bulb?" "Hey, guys, light-bulb changing party!" "How many Habbalah does it take to change a light bulb?" "Three -- one to try her resonance and eat dissonance, one to throw a tantrum, and another to guilt-trip someone else into changing it." "How many Balseraphs does it take to change a light bulb?" "It is NOT dark in here!" "How many Servitors of Lust does it take to screw in a light bulb?" "All of them. And they enjoy it." "How many Shedim does it take to change a light bulb?" "One, but he'll rewire it while he's there." "How many Servitors of the Wind does it take to change a light bulb?" "What light bulb?" Alt: "Three -- one to open the door, one to hand off the bulb, and one on the motorcycle to spin out." "How many Servitors of Theft does it take to change a light bulb?" "*What* light bulb?" "How many Servitors of the Game does it take to change a light bulb?" "Two -- one to change it, one to take notes, and one to watch it all." "How many Kyriotates does it take to change a light bulb?" "How many light bulbs do you want changed at once?" "How many Servitors of Creation *does* it take to change a light bulb, Teri?" "Only one, but she'll redecorate your house." "How many Servitors of Belial does it take to change a light bulb?" "Look how flamable this house is!" "How many Servitors of Gabriel does it take to change a light bulb?" "One, but he'll punish whoever let it burn out." ("Teri, you'd better not let Barb hear that one.") "How many Cherubim does it take to change a light bulb?" "MY LIGHTBULB! IT BURNT OUT! NOOOOOO!" "How many Servitors of Jean does it take to change a light bulb?" "Who uses anything so low-tech as a light bulb?" "How many Servitors of Vapula does it take to change a light bulb?" "It depends on how many are needed to erect the bomb shelter." "How many Servitors of Flowers does it take to change a light bulb?" "Who needs a light bulb when the moon is out and so pretty?" "How many Servitors of Trade does it take to change a light bulb?" "I've got a great deal on light bulbs today!" "Why did Haagenti cross the road?" "He was after the chicken." "Why did the Servitor of the Wind cross the road?" "To play in the traffic." "Why did the Servitor of Theft cross the road?" "To steal a car." "Why did the Elohite cross the road?" "To get a different perspective on it, after due and thoughtful consideration." "Why did the Lilim cross the road?" "It *Needed* to be crossed!" "Why did the Kyriotate cross the road?" "It was possessing the chicken." - --------------- From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: Dumb IN Jokes >"How many Servitors of the Wind does it take to change a light bulb?" >"What light bulb?" Actually, I think this was something like "Three -- one to break the glass, one to steal the lightbulb, and one to drive the getaway cycle." Then they screw it in somewhere *else*.... >"How many Servitors of Jean does it take to change a light bulb?" Actually, "Heavenly light bulbs never burn out. But you can't have one...." >"How many Servitors of Flowers does it take to change a light bulb?" Actually, "Hey, look, there's a full moon out -- let's go dance on the lawn." - ----------- >From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" How many [fill in the blank] does it take to change a light bulb? Servants of Christopher One: "Now why don't I just switch on this night light so you can see better, sweetie? There, there. Nothing to be afraid of." Servants of Furfur One: "You let the *SMACK!* damn *SMACK!* lightbulb go out *PUNCH WHOOF!* again! *KICK!*" Servants of Fleurity One: "There, I got the black light in. Now just stare at the posters and get ready for a HELL of a trip!" - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:47:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 At 3:04 PM -0500 10/24/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) >>Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] On the Granting of Words >> >>>So, in DV, you have the (much smaller) Seraphim Council- >>> >>> LUCIFER: I wonder if we should rename it the Mercurian Council? >> >>He got a sense of humor for going Bright? > >Of course. It's part of his job to go around making Light of things. };-{D Good. >Redneck (seriously, he did, and it's a gentle, quiet humor) I'm sure he and Eli are actually getting along quite well now... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:32:23 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 3 10/24/97 Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >He got a sense of humor for going Bright? > > Of course. It's part of his job to go around making Light of things. "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly. Satan fell through force of gravity." -- G. K. Chesterton Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Raoul Duke Subject: IN> The Odd Celestials On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > (P. S. Weird thought... picture Beleth and Blandine hiding out as roommates > in a Boston apartment...) > > BEL: Mr'nmnmn. > > BLAN: Coffee's on the stove, dearest... > > BEL: mfnfmnthnks... *SLURP* Gah! (leans out window) BE QUIET OUT THERE, YOU > PATHETIC WRIGGLING LITTLE WORMS! (closes window) damn humans... > > BLAN: Oh, let's not go there again this morning, love... > > -- Redneck Gee, you make great offhand comments. (why Boston?) Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:04:48 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Corporeal Death in Armageddeon and After Corporeal death took on an entirely new horror in the immediate aftermath of the Last Battle. It's gone from a painful but transitory condition to something to be avoided as much as Celestial death for the majority of Angels still running around Earth. With the fall of Heaven, most of the Hearts stored there were captured by the Demons and collected into the center of the Eternal City. There, while they built the Celestial barrier closing off Yves' Library from the rest of the Universe, the Demons also caused a great dark ampitheater to come into being, with each seat in the giant stadium housing a single Heart. The keening from the -thousands- of Hearts stolen from their hiding places rings through Heaven, audible in Lucifer's Lighthouse as a faint, mournful cry on the winds blowing towards the Marches. One by one, demons pick up the hearts, sensing through them its angel's location. then sending squads down to hunt down and slay that angel's vessel. When the Traumatized Celestial form of the angel appears by its Heart, the demons hustle it down to Hell, to be kept either in Hades (for those with valuable information or who might be persuaded to Fall), Abaddon (for those considered useless by the other Demon Princes) or Tartarus (for Vapula's experiments on live Celestials). Malakim who suffer Corporeal death will immediately find themselves in a Celestial battle when they return to Heaven. Nine out of ten, roughly, will be killed. The tenth will be left alive but unable to fight, often stunned or bound in some fashion. That survivor will be taken straight to Vapula- he may even get a glimpse of David on Vapula's vivisection table before they are strapped down to their own beds. However, not all surviving Angels have Hearts anymore. When Heaven was overrun, before the Eternal City fell, Laurence, Michael and David destroyed the Hearts of their Servitors, insuring that they would escape capture. Those Angels will end up trapped in Limbo if Corporeally slain, untouchable by both sides, but in grave danger of their sanity. Furthermore, Blandine's Servitors lost their Hearts in the collapse of her Tower; virtually all of these Angels are in deep hiding, unable to return to Heaven and terrified of discovery by the Demons. A few Hearts were not found by the Demons- specifically, those few that Eli gave into the trust of his most favored Servitors, those he did not loan out to other Superiors before his descent into the mortal world. However, if one of Eli's chosen dies before he can move that Heart to safety within Lucifer's Lighthouse, he will probably be found by the Demons occupying Heaven before he can come out of Trauma. (Eli's Malakim have it the easiest of all angels.) Every time an Angel manages to contact and link up with the Preservers, his chosen new Superior makes a new Heart for them, breaking the link between them and their old Heart. The new Heart is kept safe in Lucifer's Lighthouse- even those for Servitors of Gabriel, who is still too weak to make Hearts on her own. On the 'neo-Angel' side of things, defecting Demons may wilfully shatter their old Hearts and have new ones made by their new Superiors. Nybbas and Andrealphus also took all their Servitors' Hearts with them when they defected to Heaven, and those of their Servitors who chose not to defect with them were quickly given new Hearts by their new Superiors. For the most part, Demonic Preservers have it better than Angels, Corp-death-wise. Already there's a very large number of Angels in Limbo, biding their time, collecting tiny wisps of Essence for an attempt at re-entry into Reality. There's also a very large number of Angels in Hell, captured, in torment, praying for rescue. There's also quite a few Angels running loose on Earth who haven't linked up with the Preservers yet, and one by one the Demons are coming for them... ... and for better or worse, Lucifer has vowed that the first strike he makes against Hell will be to destroy the rest of the Hearts stored away by the Demons. Still, even if all the Angels in Limbo and Hell were freed, and all Angels and neo-Angels were gathered together, Hell would -still- outnumber them... Heaven's losses in the aftermath of the great Battle were incredible, and not every Angel has survived Tartarus, Abaddon, or Limbo... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:24:31 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> The Odd Celestials >Gee, you make great offhand comments. > Thank you. }:-{D >(why Boston?) > It's one of a very few places on Earth in DV you can live in an apartment with a working electric stove and buy coffee imported from South America to drink. (Government in South America will stabilize by the first month A. A. into feudal warlord states in Columbia and Venezuela (with Caracas holding out as a free city-state) and most of the rest of the continent plunged into total anarchy or depopulated, humanity clinging to the ocean and rivers. Coffee is actually only slightly more expensive, due to the greater risks involved in transporting goods by ocean.) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:32:32 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim >Lessee... they could: > >Hunt down sabboteurs of the comm network. > >Hunt down enemy propagandists and censors. > >Rebut enemy propaganda (combat on the verbal or artistic level). > Um. Nice ideas, but I keep seeing the following little viginette: Frankie the Malakim: Hello, Ray. Ray the Cherub: Hi, Frankie. Heard you're working with us. Frankie: Yep. The very first Malakim of Communications. Nybbas gave me the ability to detect people who use communications for the purposes of propoganda. ... hey, wait... YOU use communications for the purposes of propoganda! DIE! Ray: FRANKIE, NO! WAIT! STOP! HEEL! PEACE! AAAAAAAAAAAGH!!! Frankie: Hated to do that. Oh well. Jimbo the Mercutian: Hi, Frankie! Frankie: Hello, Jimbo.... (etc. etc. etc.) Redneck (nice try, though, any other ideas?) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:51:12 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 2 10/24/97 >>A better version is that Litheroy charged Hell to assault Alaemon, and fell >>into a carefully crafted trap. This leaves Alaemon with Litheroy as his >>captive- a bound, Force-stripped Seraph gagged so he can't speak... and >>bombarded with a million tape recorded questions. >> >>Twelve tapes at once. >> >>Question after question after question. >> >>Over and over and over, and Litheroy cannot answer. >> >>How's -that?- > >Oh, I don't know -- it's not dissonant to refuse to answer a foe. >Leaving him in front of all the political ads in history, now >*that* would be cruel. True, but this isn't an attempt to make him Fall, or become Dissonant. This would be a pure psychological torture, making the Compulsive Answer Man unable to answer even 'Is black white?' > Though Seed of Fate has him claiming that Word early on... >Hm. With Lucifer off the Throne, perhaps any Superior could have >mutated his Word with enough energy/strength of will/determination >during that brief hiatus. Dominic's a Balseraph. Think about that, and the fact that claiming to have a Word is not the same as actually being Celestially Attuned to that Word. It comes down to the mechanics of Wording again, and based on what little I've seen on the subject, I don't think even the most wilful Superior could change their own Word by themselves. I could be wrong, though. >>>You didn't make it clear whether >>>Yve's Hearts were taken (you said something about the Library >>>being unburnable and sealed - could it even be breached, or not? >> >>The -demons- sealed it up after looting it of Hearts (and losing a number of >>demons in its depths). > >And the bookshelves of Sapent Pearwood grin evilly. > You know it. };-{D >>To render down the situation: >> >>"Yeah, and then our guys killed Michael and Laurence- they were together at >>the end, you know..." >> >>Check digit of Result >> >Some more explicit guidelines for the Seraphic resonance will come >into print Real Soon Now, I believe. I hope so, and I hope I can afford it soon. }:-{D Hard to be right without the reference materials. }:-{D Redneck (who, alas, was -never- pure of heart enough to find Yves' Library) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:52:03 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine List 2 10/24/97 On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:44:57 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >No, what happens is that the Mercurian takes a swing at someone, and >there's this little of impending dissonance in the back of >his head. When he connects, it either turns into dissonance (hit a >human!) or doesn't (hit a celestial!). It is against his nature >to be violent, therefore, violence activates the warning bells. > >At least, that's how *I* would play, and I suspect it's in the back >of many other Superiors' heads... Hm...yeah, for a Mercurian, I agree. >>Right, but that's something so innate, the GM shouldn't have to point it >>out to the player. > >You may overestimate some players' ability to remember each and every >thing, when caught up in the heat of the moment. A simple, "That's >skirting dissonance, you know," can work wonders. Good point. The GM just needs to make sure he's warning all the time, not just when the player is actually in danger of dissonance. >Shouldn't, yes -- but for a young player, or one new to In Nomine, or >otherwise needing the reminder... Even I have to rememeber the >dissonance conditions for Freedom sometimes, and I *breathe* IN! Yeah, IN is especially dangerous for GMs: You have to get so far into it to run it, it's difficult to recall how many features of the IN setting have become innate. You're quite right about this: though I have deleted the repetitions of this point, I agree entirely. >>Or maybe when the situation become irrecoverable. While he can still get >>the person back from the cops or hire a lawyer to prove him innocent, >>should he get dissonance? I tend to think not, until the recovery gets to >>the point of being unlikely. > >I'd probably sound the warning bells the instant that "unjust punishment" >is about to happen. Not, mind you, about *what* except "Your Superior's >dissonance conditions are about to be violated by something you did." >But being fingerprinted, etc., might well count as "unjust punishement" >if the person was totally innocent. Very true: the arrest record itself might be unjust, but until that actually occurs or is pretty much beyond the celestial's power to prevent it... >I think that if the players are doing something and it's not clear >they know it's skirting the edge for their character, then the GM >should give them that little "warning bells" mention. Agree, if the danger is apparent. An example of going into something not apparent would be a Kyrio walking his host onto an unknown landmine. No warning, just boom, dissonance. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #432 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.