From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Tue Oct 28 12:39:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13131 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:39:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA09391 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:18:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:18:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199710281818.MAA09391@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #443 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, October 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 443 In this digest: RE: IN> Any ideas? Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Bright Victory? Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Re: IN> [DV] Falling Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH IN> Flushing out Celestials IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #442 IN> Dissonance Maintenance Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! Re: IN> Celestial Genesis Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Cockroaches IN> Purgatory Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Any ideas? Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [DV] Falling Re: IN> Any ideas? Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween IN> Movie schtuff Re: IN> Re: [DV] [Fluff alert] LITHEROY LIVES! Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Yves Library ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:10:13 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: RE: IN> Any ideas? Ideas for an angel group? Let's see what I can pull out of my butt... Revolutionaries Rock Stars Tourists The Church Good Doers striving to unite the people School people - teachers needed! Malakim sent in to do some damage A group who work to keep dreamers on Blandine's side despite the Chaos The Healers of the Sick A party of the Wind, just blowing through Marc's entrepeneurs (sp?) Soldiers of God trying to make a difference Errr... there's a couple cents worth. :) - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Yes, you can stay in the same guy for nine years and rack up so much discord that your Celestial Form looks like the kind of thing Saminga scrapes off the underside of his feet, but that makes it so much harder to do anything if you're murderous, vulnerable to cheese, deathly afraid of the color blue, and your host glows in the dark." -Nana Yaw Ofori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:29:29 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Alexander Shearer helpfully suggested; > If, by chance, you're wondering what to be for Halloween, some easy > solutions exist. So what are you supposed to be? Heheh...I bounced this one over to a couple friends, even. (Y'know, I WAS kind of stuck for a costume this year, but I think I'll go with little horns and say, "I am *NOT* a Balseraph, darnit. I'm a bowl of mashed potatoes.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:49:21 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Bright Victory? > >Or, give it to a Lilim... ...what a quandry! > > "Okay, who *Needs* this the *MOST*??" > > (Bidding war, bidding war!) Provided that her greedy little heart didn't just explode while trying to decide to keep it for herself or trade it to try for something better... > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor Oops da Ogre, Lil would be pretty vunerable to a Golden Apple, IMHO mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:21:23 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Casca suggested for Malakim of Communications; > How about as investigative journalists? Reporters who uncover > illegal/unethical/dishonorable practices and expose them for all the I like that one...give them the Attunement of being able to record, say, one hour's footage per Ethereal Force, for later `playback' (kind of an R2D2-hologram thing) or transfer to videotape, so they can do their investigative reporting while having their hands free to, ah, defend the people's Right to Know. (Could be VERY useful, especially considering that as an a/v replication, other Choirs using their Resonances through it later (say, to check the truth of what someone said) would only be at a - -1. I'd actually recommend waiving that due to the Celestial nature of the recording, as well--presumably, a Malakim with a special Attunement is going to do a better job than Sony.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:16:03 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:34:42 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >As a general note, with the exception of Infernal Intervention, an angel >*cannot* Fall accidentially. The Dissonance number rolled against >is always *current* dissonance, not including the note that has just >been earned! So a smart angel will go: > >First note: roll higher than 0. No problem. >Second note: roll higher than 1. No problem. >Third note: roll higher than 2. But if you roll a 111, something *good* > happens! >Now, if you get 3 notes of dissonance, you convert it to Discord >before you do anything to earn a 4th (where you'd be trying to get >higher than a 3, and *could* Fall). Is this a action? Suppose you're a Kyriotate in a flock of birds and demons manage to stun all of you, then go around killing your hosts. Can you convert dissonance to Discord while stunned as you can use Essence to boost Will resistance while stunned? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:27:30 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 someone said; > Oh, sure, don't attribute me, RG. Crush my fragile ego. ;) {Crush, crush, stomp} Just obeying orders, Sir. > Hey, it's a bureaucracy. There's -always- room in the budget for eternal > waiting rooms filled with dreary muzak where everything has the texture, > color, and taste of lint. ;) > (Yep, that's how I described Purgatory to my players: a Celestial lint > trap. They get just the right 'eyugh' expression on their faces.) Ah, Casca, you do realize that, as the LintKing, that makes Purgatory mine... (Wahoo! I own Purgatory! Wow! Gosh! What a..er..great...ah, piece of..real estate. Yay. Hm...Say, would anyone like to invest in a bridge I bought just last week?) Actually, though, if Purgatory gets ALL the souls that aren't good enough for Heaven or bad enough for Hell, I'm reaping in a *LOT* of Forces and Essence...wonder what I'm saving it for? Heh heh heh... ___ _ | | | |HE |_INTKIN|_\--Master of Purgatory-----------------------------------| | and his very merry band of fuzz elfs. lintking@abwam.com | | SysOp of The Assassins' Guild BBS (303) 722-6881 | |_______________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:22:07 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> No, the Malakim need something constructive to do, something which promotes >> the Word. I really liked the idea of Malakim being action heroes... except >> how many 'Surname: Texas Ranger' shows could you have at one time? }:-{D >> Something like that would work... maybe Malakim as stuntmen... hmmm... > >How about as investigative journalists? Reporters who uncover >illegal/unethical/dishonorable practices and expose them for all the >world to see....cameramen who go into war zones to film the atrocities >there so that the world may know....angels who are willing to fight and >die for the story "Because the people have a right to know, dammit!" > >Maybe I've just been playing too much Cyberpunk recently. > .......................................... 0_o ... Beth, what's the Malakite Attunement for Litheroy? We may just have a winner... }:-{D Redneck (why the Surt didn't I think of that? }:-{D ) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:30:13 -0500 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH >> gigantic hanky. "No, I didn't lie to you. And I'm not an Impudite -- I'm >> a Animim. A Mercurian gone Bass-Ackwards and Sideways. And, by the way, > So, when do we get Resonances and Attunements? Actually, I'm working on it, along with my friend, Blade (hamiltsl@wfu.edu). We've already got ideas for Bass-Ackwards and Sideways celestials for all Choirs (Seraph -> Balseraph -> Loonseraph...), as well as something unique for the Lilim/Malakim slot... If there's enough demand, I'll post what we come up with and try to turn it into a Dark Victory style background (only with a, um, different emphasis)... -Loki (and, of course, there's Funny Lilim -- they still have the Lilim resonance, only now they're Funny rather than Selfish...) - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:46:25 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] >PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: >> >> >With all the things happening in the In Nomine world, what about >> >vengeance? With the change in alliances and Saminga going force hungry, >> >I bet someone just might be a little mad. >> > >> >Is there a AA or word-bound in the In Nomine books, or do I have to >> >create them? >> > >> >With Uriel it might be something like this : Impure*slash*, Impure*slash >> >Impure impure impure *slash*slash*slash* *insane cackle* >> > >> >Jaeden >> >> I'd say so. > >Glad you agree, how about the Angel of Vengeance? I did a prelim >writeup for an AA, but he will probably end up being a Malakim of Fire, >word-bound to vengeance > Actually, I am going to plunk the Renegade Lilim Kallisti (not to be mistaken for any Etherials by that name), Demon of Vengeance into 'Rebirth of Liberty.' She's a bit Discordant for a Lilim, in that she is intensely devoted to her mom... Once upon a time, she was a Servitor of Baal, after having earned her Word for slaying a Baron of Factions who had Corp-killed her during one of Malphas' many, many plots. She answers the call of those who seek revenge for their wrongs, slaying the object of their vendetta and using the Geases she collects to help fulfill her own revenge against those who used her in the past. However, she's gone Renegade along with her mother, not really caring one way or the other about humanity but willing to follow her Mother anywhere- except under the orders of new Heaven. She has to be totally free. She's got a new vendetta of her own, now, against the being responsible for her Mother's suffering, who's left her Mother writhing through a long torment of inner Celestial conflict... ... to go any farther would be telling. }:-{D (And don't ask, 'cause until 'Birth of Liberty' is ready I'm not saying.) This version of Kallisti is an adaptation of a friend's anime fanfic character. However, since Dark Goddesses born in Hell don't strictly speaking exist in IN, I have to make do with what I have... };-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:18:13 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH > -Loki (and, of course, there's Funny Lilim -- they still have the Lilim > resonance, only now they're Funny rather than Selfish...) ("You Needed that laugh. Now, if you'd just take this pie over there to Laurence, hold it like this, and...") Redneck (iiiiiintershtink. but SCHTOOPIT! ^_-) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:02:26 -0600 (CST) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: IN> Flushing out Celestials one of the PC's in my FTF campaign has a line of angelic script tattooed on > his vessel's chest, along the line of his left collar bone, which > colloquially translated would read "Kiss my Arse!" I sure hope he has a fairly liberal Superior :) I could see a superior like Dominic, Asmodeus, Baal, etc. frowning on this (Laurence would be mortified, of course). Then again you get someone likle Kobal and they may approve. Just be careful around the Lilim of Lust; they'll kiss your arse but you'll owe them for it ;) > He wears loose open necked shirts and pays close attention to anyone who > does a double take if they see his tattoo. Anyone else had a player try a > similar dodge. > Not yet but knowing my gaming group I probably will :) I'd probably go ahead and allow the player to get by with a stunt like that if it fits their character. *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:30:04 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #442 At 00:24 28/10/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:37:50 EST >From: Neel Krishnaswami >Subject: IN> Mene, Angel of Accountants >Some angels have remarked that Mene seems a very strange Malakite, but none >of the remarkers have been Malakim themselves. Just because the evils she >fights aren't tentacled horrors from the Pit doesn't make them any less evil, >or her victories any less important. Thanks for posting this one. I love it! I need to do a hefty write-up on Marc if I ever get around to writing up London and I think she'll be there in some form or other. >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:41:34 -0500 (EST) >From: Casca >Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim > >How about as investigative journalists? Reporters who uncover >illegal/unethical/dishonorable practices and expose them for all the >world to see....cameramen who go into war zones to film the atrocities >there so that the world may know....angels who are willing to fight and >die for the story Just for the record can I just say that I have a PC that is a Mercurian of Dominic who does precisely this. ie. I'm sure these Angels are going to exist before armaggeddon ;-) jo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 06:00:55 -0500 From: dwood@skipjack.bluecrab.org Subject: IN> Dissonance Maintenance Quoth "Elizabeth McCoy " on 10/27/97 6:19 PM... >At 2:30 PM -0600 10/26/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>As such, the first time an Angel fails a Dissonance roll or draws a Demonic >>Intervention, they Fall. > >As a general note, with the exception of Infernal Intervention, an angel >*cannot* Fall accidentially. Here is the statement which has prompted this reply -- there is a note of Falsehood to it which I feel must be whacked upon severely... [Dissonance roll mechanics lovingly snipped] >First note: roll higher than 0. No problem. Odds of fallling = 1/216. Those pesky 666s. You've tried scrubbing, you've tried soaking... Let's just say that in this case, a problem isn't anticipated. >Second note: roll higher than 1. No problem. Odds of falling = 1/216. 111, as you point out, means good stuff. 666 means bad stuff. And BTW, the stuffs are detailed on p. 58. >Third note: roll higher than 2. But if you roll a 111, something *good* > happens! Odds of falling = 8/216. 111 is good stuff. Any combination of 1s and 2s on three dice (there's 7 of them) or 666 means losing ground. >Now, if you get 3 notes of dissonance, you convert it to Discord *NOT* automatically. An angel can lose dissonance if she can correct the situation which led to her getting it in the first place. For a Seraph, for instance, that means eliminating the harm of her first lie. For a Malakite, that means fulfilling a vow which was broken earlier (assuming that the Malakim's Zero Tolerance policy doesn't off him first). A Mercurian who accidentally kills a human probably won't make any sort of amends soon, but in many cases, the dissonance isn't permanent and can be worked off. Discord, however, can only be removed by a superior, and usually only after a damned good explanation. (And a tongue-lashing.) Therefore, if all dissonance was earned through minor and correctable infractions, conversion to Discord isn't necessarily the best policy. Especially if you have a superior like Gabriel or Dominic which doesn't like that sort of thing. In any case, that third point is definitely the Universe's way of saying "It's Time To Consider A Career Move." >before you do anything to earn a 4th (where you'd be trying to get >higher than a 3, and *could* Fall). And yes, gaining more Dissonance at a time when you've picked up too much and are trying to work it all off IS a bad thing, and fully worthy of Falling. Okay, that's the stuff for the Angelic side. What about demons? Demons who fail dissonance rolls merely pick up more Discord and dissonance. They are never required to seek Redemption, and in fact, Diabolic society has no real problem with Celestial or Ethereal Discords. So at what point are demons forced to redeem? Or are they? Can they just keep soaking up dissonance until they finally pick up a few Celestial discords and agents of Asmodeus say "C'mere, punk..."? (The latter case is a bit too YMMVish for my tastes; I'd like some sort of guideline to go by.) - -David http://www.bluecrab.org/members/dwood/ "Gabriel doesn't HAVE hot flashes... Gabriel IS a hot flash!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> THE LAST LAUGH > If there's enough demand, I'll post what we come up with and try to turn it > into a Dark Victory style background (only with a, um, different emphasis)... > -Loki (and, of course, there's Funny Lilim -- they still have the Lilim > resonance, only now they're Funny rather than Selfish...) Post it! Post it! *bounce bounce* Come on, everybody's doin it. Everybody's into it. You wanna be cool like everyone else, right? Then come ON! - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:25:38 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! On Oct 27, 4:13pm, Pee Kitty wrote: > Subject: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! > > I really, really, really, REALLY need to get an answer to this one. Our > game can't start until we get it cleared up (a player is waffling between > two Superiors for her demon, but can't decide because of an ambiguity). > > To what does "charm" refer to in the Lilim Band Attunements of Asmodeus > and Kronos?? Asmodeus' Lilim get a bonus to "charm" a person. Kronos' > Lilim get a resonance bonus on "charmed" people. Whazzup? Lilim of Asmodeus "Asmodeus' Lilim show up most frequently as hookers, strippers, substitute English teachers and other roles that let them get kinky in plaid private-school uniforms." ;) I presume you meant _Baal_ and Kronos. Heh. The three readings we can put to it (or at least I can see) is A) Song of Charm or B) a looser game mechanic that involves the Lilim just using her wiles on some hapless shmuck, or C) the act of detecting a Need. (I'm throwing out the only character game mechanic that involves 'charming'... the one for Impudites!) A) Successful use of Song of Charm B) Successful use of... Seduction? C) the Perception roll to find a Geas 'B' seems to fit Baal's writeup best. "they prefer to work behind the lines, spying and indulging in the occasional sabotage or assassination" But A or C are not unreasonable either. The situation is trickier with Kronos but we still end up with all three choices being reasonable. Lemme check with Derek to see what the intent was. > > I find it hard to believe that this just refers to the Song of Charm. > Kronos gives away so many cool, useful attunements that this one would be > pathetic in comparison. An attunement that's only useful when you FIRST > use a song and THEN resonate on someone? Nah... Hold on there. Lilim of Kronos can detect Discord in other beings merely by looking into their eyes! That means that any celestial with discord is immediately outed as a celestial (rather than a human with a gimpy leg). Not a power to be discounted so easily. From that point of view, anything else is just a bonus. ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:18:38 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Genesis > >.... thanks to ArchAngel Beth to listening to me ramble endlessly about > >this stuff. Why anyone would want to hear about Shedim mating practices > >is beyond me. :) > > It was the Djinn that was most bemusing. I mean, if one looks like > a cross between a wolf and a praying mantis, and the other looks like > Lassie after being skinned and with five extra legs and two > prehensile tails... how *does* it work? I'm telling you... Djinnporn scares me. Deeply. But hey, they're demons. It's supposed to be nasty. > >Demons: > >This also does not require that the parents care for their > >offspring, or show any overtly parently additudes in their general > >direction. > > Why am I reminded of GURPS Goblins here? Er... yeah. They're evil. They don't need to feel anything towards their children. It doesn't mean they don't, it just means they don't need to. > > >Habbalah: > > > > Copulation, "God's method". :) > > Does this mean they only use the missionary position? (Habbalah > without whips and chains? The mind boggles.) No no no no... they definitely have whips and chains. I would never deny a Habbalah a perfectly good pasttime. :) My idea was just that they do it biologically... oh, never mind. > > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor > GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > > Emily K. Dresner, M.S.Eng. Applications Programmer III and Balseraph of the Game Desktop Applications Team - Medical Center Information Technology Current Quote: "When God needed to punish someone...he sent an angel. Have you ever wondered what a creature like that must be like? Your whole existence praising your God but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" - The Prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:42:32 +0100 From: "cd skogsberg" Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Alexander Shearer wrote: > I recommend against trying to be an Ofanite, but that's just > a suggestion. But what if you are one naturally? cd Long, thin (gaunt, even), lives (currently) on Jolt Cola, caffeine pills and chocolate. - -- "And it has come to pass that the Lord of the Woods, being ... Seven and nine, down the onyx steps ... (tri)butes to Him in the Gulf, Aza- thoth, He of Whom Thou hast taught us marv(els ..." - H. P. Lovecraft, _The Whisperer in Darkness_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:42:19 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > > If, by chance, you're wondering what to be for Halloween, some easy > > solutions exist. So what are you supposed to be? > Heheh...I bounced this one over to a couple friends, even. > (Y'know, I WAS kind of stuck for a costume this year, but I think I'll go > with little horns and say, "I am *NOT* a Balseraph, darnit. I'm a bowl of > mashed potatoes.") > *LAUGH!* Yeah. I'm gonna remember that for gaming on Thursday. I can see my token Happy Fun Bal using that. "Contrary to what the damn angel told you, I am NOT a Balseraph. I'm a hubcap. And you want to go to bed with me. It'll do well for your career." Cool cool cool. - - Em, who is wondering why all her demonic NPCs are horny all the time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:56:49 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Cockroaches John Veazey: "I may be sick for asking this, but I'd like to hear more about the Scrunch, Demon Prince of Cockroaches and his faithful sidekick Archie." For continuity's sake, it really should be 'archy'...and his rank should be Marquis. yours, wotthehell wotthehell, jason schneiderman, balseraph of the media ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:55:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Purgatory For the foremost literary description of Purgatory, see the second book of Dante's Comedy, the Purgatorio. Dorothy L. Sayers' translation is good and has excellent notes. The souls in Purgatory are already saved. Their characters are not, however, completely saintly yet. Thus the vast majority of the saved spend some amount of time in Purgatory before going on to Paradise. They are, so to speak, in therapy. In some versions, Purgatory is just depicted as temporary hell. In Dante's, the souls are generally uncomfortable to some degree or other, but they are uncomfortable more in the manner of athletes in training. These are pains they embrace -- "no pain, no gain" -- because they all yearn for what those pains will win them. And, in Dante's version, each soul decides for itself when it has purged away a given sin and is ready to ascend to the next level of Purgatory, or graduate to Paradise. Dante depicts Purgatory as a supernaturally high and steep mountain with seven terraces, one for each of the Seven Deadly Sins, with the worst sin (pride) purged at the bottom and the lightest (lust) purged at the top. I don't remember the intervening orders. I *do* remember that, although the souls are laboring away, the scenery is described in fresh, tender, romantic terms, very unlike the scenery of Hell. Springtime in the Alps. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:04:23 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits > A Holy Pistol/6 costs 36 points, plus ammo, so it isn't immediately > available to a beginning character, unless he took a Discord. But if a > demon took a Discord/4 worth 12 points, that would be enough to buy Ranged > Weapon/6 and 6 unholy bullets. The GM can hardly object to a Calabite doing > this since they're required to buy Discord. [And it's canon that they get CPs for them now, as well...] > > Since all these items are "off the shelf," I'd have a hard time justifying > their prohibition by GM fiat. It seems to me they're part of the standard > game world. All in all, if I were messing with the standard game world > (more than I am already to get rid of that God-awful disturbance formula), > I'd put into practice the FAQ statement that IN isn't a game where humans > are helpless pawns and give them Will bonuses against Celestial influence. I'd just put an arbitrary limit of '6' for the Power calculation. The CD can still get pretty high, but the multiplied CD would use a 6 rather than the ungodly automatic success number. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:10:53 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > - Em, who is wondering why all her demonic NPCs are horny all the time. Numinous Corpus? Discord: Vestigum? All those whips and chains? Oops da Ogre, just to mess with Andre's head? (That sounded wrong...) mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:12:06 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > Alexander Shearer wrote: > > > I recommend against trying to be an Ofanite, but that's just > > a suggestion. > > But what if you are one naturally? I believe he was referring to celestial form. > cd Oops da Ogre, which could be ...painful... mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:08:03 -0500 From: The Other Chris Subject: Re: IN> Any ideas? Cristiano Guião de Freitas wrote: > > Hi i need a little help from you guys... i don't have any ideas for an > angel group... > my demon group works in the police department as Cops. Well, if your demon group are cops, why not make your angel group outlaws? You could play it as a kind of "Robin Hood" riff, with the angels doing hit and run raids on the Infernals operations and distributing the goods to the needy. All the time the media and the cops are portraying them as bloodthirsty bandit types, and they're always in danger of being turned over by some worthy citizen with no clue of the truth. just a thought, TOC (Archangel of Sarcasm) P.S. As this is my first post to the list I'll take the opportunity to say hello. I'm The Other Chris (every list has one or more, so I'm the other one!), known as TOC for short. I'm a British freelance writer who just moved to the States, and I'm having a fun time...which probably comes from not having a real day job and being a kept man. I've been into angels since I read "The Devils of D-Day" by Graham Masterton (I was 10), and I love the game, though I've yet to find a group to play it with. If you're in the Boston area, and you'd like a player with a weird accent, get in touch! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween >Alexander Shearer wrote: > >> I recommend against trying to be an Ofanite, but that's just >> a suggestion. > >But what if you are one naturally? > >cd >Long, thin (gaunt, even), lives (currently) on Jolt Cola, caffeine >pills and chocolate. I actually meant the Celestial form. It'd require a gallon of gasoline and an asbestos suit, at least. Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:29:39 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Falling > Is this a action? Suppose you're a Kyriotate in a flock of birds and demons > manage to stun all of you, then go around killing your hosts. Can you > convert dissonance to Discord while stunned as you can use Essence to boost > Will resistance while stunned? That's fair. Otherwise there would be a lot less Kyriotates and a lot more Shedim! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:29:57 -0600 (CST) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Any ideas? On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Cristiano Guião de Freitas wrote: > Hi i need a little help from you guys... > i'm starting a new campaign in Sao Paulo (Brazil) i already got a demon > group playing there... the problem is. i don't have any ideas for an > angel group... > my demon group works in the police department as Cops witch is perfect > for them 'cause our police is one of the most Corrupt and Violent in the > world (very easy to impersonate a role) But for the angel group i don't > have a clue... > Send your suggestions... anything... > > > Hrm, there's always child care workers, environmental activists, maybe some in politics. Having angels with roles of average citizens (moms, teachers, bar tenders) works well for doing good behind the scenes. Clergy works as well, but that's a little more obvious of a choise for Joe Demon. *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:01:17 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > > > I recommend against trying to be an Ofanite, but that's just > > > a suggestion. > > > > But what if you are one naturally? > > I believe he was referring to celestial form. > With a little paint, some cardboard, a little lighter fluid and clothing dye... it could be done! Sure! But it's hard to dance when you're a big flaming wheel. - - Em. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:28:29 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Alexander Shearer wrote: > >Alexander Shearer wrote: > > > >> I recommend against trying to be an Ofanite, but that's just > >> a suggestion. > > > >But what if you are one naturally? > > > >cd > >Long, thin (gaunt, even), lives (currently) on Jolt Cola, caffeine > >pills and chocolate. > > I actually meant the Celestial form. It'd require a gallon of > gasoline and an asbestos suit, at least. > Asbestos suit? Oh... THAT's what I've been doing wrong. :) (Talk about a failed INT roll.... :) Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:46:05 -0500 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween At 11:01 -0500 10/28/97, Emily Dresner wrote: > >But it's hard to dance when you're a big flaming wheel. But much harder for the people around you. I'm just debating how much it'd annoy people to go as an Impudite of Andre. Of course, Halloween night I'll be at a GWAR concert, though... SeanMike - -- SeanMike Whipkey (smw4s@virginia.edu) is: The Grinning Impudite of Andrealphus, Captain of Diabolical Delight South Republican Green Mamba Heavy Gear Pilot/Wetlander UVA Government Major/VP Paintball Club/GWAR Cyberslave/Pep Band Drummer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:05:44 -0500 From: Highway Star Subject: IN> Movie schtuff I'm pretty sure this has been gone over before, but hey, with the current flood of e-mails, what the heck... I went and saw _The Devil's Advocate_ yesterday. Damn good movie. Some cool ideas. I won't give away anymore to preserve spoilers - and boy, there are a bunch. However, before it, there was a preview for a movie called _Fallen_. About a mass murderer executed, but his soul keeps jumping from body to body, forcing the people he inhabits to hunt down the cop who sent him there. Now if that ain't a Shedim I don't know what is.:) SeanMike having a harder and harder time keeping the official IN background and DV background seperate - -- SeanMike Whipkey (smw4s@virginia.edu) is: The Grinning Impudite of Andrealphus, Captain of Diabolical Delight South Republican Green Mamba Heavy Gear Pilot/Wetlander UVA Government Major/VP Paintball Club/GWAR Cyberslave/Pep Band Drummer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:54:59 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Re: [DV] [Fluff alert] LITHEROY LIVES! [Kingsley] > Though, on the note of it, your comment in your finalized Falling >rules as to the Celestial's personality changing when they Fall, is a good >point. (You'll note I didn't carry even the joke on that past, "Hi, boss," >which, if you knew Jeremiah, you'd've recognized immediately as a radical >personality swap. Jeremiah the Ofanite more likely might've dashed in and >started responding to all those tape recorded questions, Who, me? I definitely resemble that remark... :) [Kingsley] >or at least explained to Litheroy for half an hour what he had to go through to get >there. Too true... [Kingsley] >He definitely doesn't `stroll'.) Yeah, playing Jeremiah has definitely stretched my vocabulary for shades of quick movement... I mean, there's just only so many times you can use "dash", "dart", and "zip." :) [Kingsley] >[I actually gave some thought to what Jeremiah the Calabim would be like, >but that's just because Camilla thought he'd be happier that way.] Somehow I don't think Camilla would *like* Jeremiah as a Calabim. He wouldn't be nearly as much fun to torment... :) Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** Let them eat each other!** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > But much harder for the people around you. > > I'm just debating how much it'd annoy people to go as an Impudite of Andre. > Of course, Halloween night I'll be at a GWAR concert, though... > But buck nekkid is the cheapest costume of them all! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:36:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: > The question is not "Have you found Yves' Library," it's "Has Yves' Library > found You?" > > Haven't you ever been in a library, walking through the stacks, and found > a shelf full of facinating stuff you weren't expecting? Sat down, right > there in the Aisle, and just communed with all the mondo interesting > books, oblivious to all but the written word until the Librarians > flashed the lights to warn everyone it was time to leave? Yves' Library > found you... Every time I go to the Library to wander. Hrm, actually considering the stuff I end up finding, I think I actually end up in Kronos'. On a related note, I have a feeling that all of the refridgerators in labs are really small portals to Tarturus. How else could you explain some of the things you find in them? *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #443 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.