From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Wed Oct 29 14:03:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31224 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:03:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA13092 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:38:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:38:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199710291938.NAA13092@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #446 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 29 1997 Volume 01 : Number 446 In this digest: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superior Book Endorsements Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: IN> Errata here? Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse IN> Low Wills Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! Re: IN> [LAST LAUGH] Toonic Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween IN> More Shedite Stuff Re: IN> Few questions, A Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Low Wills Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! Re: IN> Low Wills Re: IN> Low Wills Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superior Book Endorsements Re: IN> [LAST LAUGH] Toonic Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Low Wills Re: IN> Celestial Genesis Re: IN> More Shedite Stuff IN> (Un)Holy Pistols (was: Seraphim Check Digits) Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:07:54 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superior Book Endorsements Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:10:24 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) >You're a publisher. You've got a hot book which appeals to *EVERYBODY* that >reads it. You hand it to your subordinate, who is secretly an Impudite of >the Media, and they send copies to *EVERY* Superior on both sides with a >standard 'celebrity endorsement' request letter. It was the bible, wasn't it? :=) jo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:51:02 +0100 From: "cd skogsberg" Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Emily Dresner wrote: > > But much harder for the people around you. > > > > I'm just debating how much it'd annoy people to go as an Impudite of Andre. > > Of course, Halloween night I'll be at a GWAR concert, though... > But buck nekkid is the cheapest costume of them all! :) Unless les flics nicks you and fines you for 'lewd and obscene display in a public area' (or summat like that). cd - -- "And it has come to pass that the Lord of the Woods, being ... Seven and nine, down the onyx steps ... (tri)butes to Him in the Gulf, Aza- thoth, He of Whom Thou hast taught us marv(els ..." - H. P. Lovecraft, _The Whisperer in Darkness_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:26:10 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! Okay, back with an answer: Without going into the gory details, the 'charm' refered to in the descriptions is pretty close to the english definition... _not_ a game mechanic! If, in the GM's opinion, the Lilim character has acted 'charming' enough to the victim, she should get the bonus. This probably also requires appropriate circumstances. If you are in combat or being tortured, it's easy to miss the wiles of even a Lilim! ;) Lilim of the War Any attempt to 'charm' someone (i.e. get them to like you, be attracted to you, etc) has a bonus equal to Corporeal Forces to the target number. Under the right circumstances this can be a bonus to a Seduction roll, the reaction roll or other appropriate skills. GM's discretion about how long this takes and whether the bonus is appropriate. Lilim of Fate Any 'charmed' person (i.e. someone who has a favorable reaction toward the Lilim due to her efforts) is much easier to find a Need in. Add the Lilim's Celestial Forces to her Perception when looking for a Need. The amount of time required to charm the person depends on the GM (it should require a certain amount of effort and roleplaying!) [Derek, Elizabeth and I have put our heads together on this one. The original intention was to allow GM's some flexibility in the use of these Attunements. Hope this helps!] - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:44:18 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits > >> Since all these items are "off the shelf," I'd have a hard time justifying > >> their prohibition by GM fiat. It seems to me they're part of the standard > >> game world. All in all, if I were messing with the standard game world > >> (more than I am already to get rid of that God-awful disturbance formula), > >> I'd put into practice the FAQ statement that IN isn't a game where humans > >> are helpless pawns and give them Will bonuses against Celestial influence. > > > > I'd just put an arbitrary limit of '6' for the Power calculation. > >The CD can still get pretty high, but the multiplied CD would use a 6 > >rather than the ungodly automatic success number. > > Do you mean just for (Un)Holy Pistols or for everything? If all CDs are > limited to 6, then high level characters would have difficulty using > points--there'd be no headroom for character advancement, and a starting > Celestial would have far too easy a time with a Word-bound if the latter > were limited to CD 6. Just limit the CD to 6 for the Power calculation on the Pistols alone. The normal part of the CD would remain the same. (Mind you, none of this is Canon. I expect that GMs will find their own accomodations with munchkinism!) Pistol damage right now= CD + (Level*CD) Proposed Pistol damage= CD + (Level* [max CD of 6]) The stuff in the parentheses is the Power calculation of course. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:52:30 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Errata here? On Oct 29, 12:56am, Pee Kitty wrote: > Subject: IN> Errata here? > > In the description of Geas under sample discords, it says that characters > cannot start off with Geas as a discord for points. > > One of the sample characters is listed as a legal starting character, who > got 6 extra points by starting off with a Geas/2. > > Which is right? > > If the first, I can kinda see why (it's not permanent, after all, and > doesn't hurt the character until used)...but why not just allow it, but > require that they 'buy it off' when it's called in? Eh, that works for me. In my campaign we have a character with a _permanent_ Geas that was allowed as a permanent Discord. Lotsa fun! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:59:20 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Just a point: Any city with a significant military base is a prime target for a nuke. In fact, those are usually the _first_ target, with major industrial zones being second, then population/financial centers (although in the information age, the financial/information centers might be upgraded for the second strike or even the first). So places like Ft. Bragg (Fayetteville, NC) would probably be wiped unless one of the contingencies managed to work. OTOH, if you posit that all the nukes were aimed by celestials to hurry the pace of armageddon, then it would, in fact, be more likely to leave military bases intact. All the better to blow up the world! OTOOH, any celestial that had the support of a base in one way or another might protect it. YMMV. True fact: There was (and perhaps is) a study on the feasability of using helicopter mounted missiles to take out nukes. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:08:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology There are many supposed hierarchies of angelic choirs. Derek shopped around among them to compose his own. (Or Croc did.) I have seen a few of these, and "Elohim" is one of the choir names listed, so Derek (or Croc) didn't make it up. So how did "Elohim" get on any of these choir lists? I am just guessing, but I think that, in Job, in the famous scene in the heavenly court, where Satan speaks with God, the court is introduced as the "sons of God," the "bene Elohim." So it may be that "Elohim" as a choir name is a truncation of that phrase. Just a guess. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:07:10 -0600 From: Bob the Dancing Monkey Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse At 01:32 AM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Well, I've pretty much given up on trying to give Beth a break and a chance >to catch up after the weekend... }:-{D > My respect for you keeps getting more and more immense, Redneck. There's practically enough raw material within the Dark Victory to fill a supplement book. And you don't seem to be letting up. What's more, you seem to have an excellent ear for what what's up with the Celestials. Bravo. That said, I need to bite. I see a couple of references in here that haven't been explained yet... > CELESTIALED >Paris > What happened to Paris? We've heard about Romania and D.C., but it seems that Paris has not yet been discussed... > Perth * > Perth is in the midst of a struggle? Jersey invasion, or has Saminga gone Down Under? - -Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:34:15 -600 From: "John L Veazey" Subject: IN> Low Wills Question: How does one succeed at a will roll if one has a will of 1? Vz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:49:00 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! Mark Kinney wrote: > I'm looking at a copy of the Nov. 4 1997 Weekly World News. > > A big article on pg 24-27 is a great guide to Angel Watching, "An > Exciting Guide to Spotting God's Winged Helpers." Complete with a > listing of the ten basic types (not really similar to In Nomine ones > at all :-) and where one can best find them. Would you be willing to summarize their list? I'm curious. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:43:57 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [LAST LAUGH] Toonic > Okay, okay. ;) I'll warn y'all, though, I don't have Redneck's output > potential. We're still working on things. Which Gaggles of Toons (like > Chiors of Angels, or Bands of Demons) would you like to see first: > > * Animim. Big-eyed Anime Toons. Resonance for embarrassing social > situations. > Animim! Animim! *bounce around off the walls* Why am I imagining a horde of Ranmas climbing out of the Pits of Hell all of the sudden? :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > >Yeah. I'm gonna remember that for gaming on Thursday. I can see my token > >Happy Fun Bal using that. "Contrary to what the damn angel told you, I am > >NOT a Balseraph. I'm a hubcap. And you want to go to bed with me. It'll > >do well for your career." > > > >Cool cool cool. > > > >- Em, who is wondering why all her demonic NPCs are horny all the time. > > Well, my demonic PC is... *ahem* Well, what do you > expect -- she's got two of them.... > > I hope someone takes pictures if the Happy Fun Bal gets his way. > My players, for some inexplicable reason, has decided that the Happy Fun Bal is actually a box of Stove Top Stuffing. I have yet to puzzle out this conclusion. And they're in search of a crowbar to remove the cellular phone from his head. All I know is that there is going to be nudity, wackiness, and three imps with video cameras. "Turn on your side! Turn on your side! We need a better shot!" :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:46:37 -0500 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> More Shedite Stuff >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:13:02 -0400 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Free Lilim who didn't have Hearts wind up in Limbo, too... (You don't >need a Heart to leave Hell... That's Errata.) Okay...If you don't need a Heart to leave Hell, just a Vessel, what's keeping all those Shedim from going joyriding on Earth every time they feel they can get away with it? Got my superior to give me a vacation in Shal-Mari, I'll just slip out to somewhere in North America, and do a few mutilations. Pop back in before anybody knows what's happened. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Legion, Party of six thousand. Smoking or Non? ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:59:02 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Few questions, A Dr. Todd W. Page, Esq. wrote: > A lot of times on > this list, and on the web and even in the books I think, people > refer to the eternal struggle of Satan Vs. God. But to me it seems > a lot more like Satan vs the archangels. In my game atleast, I see > God as above both heaven _AND_ hell... Satan falling was just as > much a part of his plan as anything else was. Does anyone else see > things this way or am I just kinda insane? The idea isn't even particularly heretical, much less insane. Satan is not the opposite of God, but of Michael. In "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman (a book in the IN bibliography), a demon says to an angel, near the peak of the action, "We always talk about history as a chess game, but really, doesn't it have to be a game of solitaire?" I don't think many monotheist theologians would say God *made* Satan fall, but they would certainly say that God has the system set up to take such actions into account, and most would say He foresaw the Fall. C. S. Lewis said, "If you rebel against God, you are not destroying the system. You are just volunteering for Satan's position within the system. You must not be surprised to receive his wages." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! > I'm looking at a copy of the Nov. 4 1997 Weekly World News. > > A big article on pg 24-27 is a great guide to Angel Watching, "An Exciting > Guide to Spotting God's Winged Helpers." Complete with a listing of the > ten basic types (not really similar to In Nomine ones at all :-) and where > one can best find them. You couldn't, say, email me a copy of this article? Please? *bat six eyes playfully* Well, at worst... for those of you NOT in the know... the WWN can be found online at http://wwnonline.com. Never miss a fix! > > ObInNomine: Now... I can see a possible adventure hook here. Perhaps a > Balseraph is using the odd belief one can occasionally find in this kind > of thing in a weird twist of the "corrupt evangelist" stereotype. Or > maybe there's a basis there for backwards play. :-) > > Discuss. :-) Discuss? I've found a dozen and one fun things you can do with the media. Although the tabloids rule. Rule rule rule. I'll be using them extensively in the near future... but it will take a few sessions for enough time to pass. "Angels caught on tape in a Saginaw, Michigan warehouse! Is the end near?" - - Em, sitting here, grinning. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:19:52 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 >>>Hmm, a shared dream realm for like-minded shades?<<< Well, Limbo & Purgatory aren't exactly original ideas, either of them. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse In a message dated 10/28/97 11:56:53 PM, Redneck wrote: >If you have suggestions for cities to add, feel free to post 'em to the >list. If you have a short explanation, so much the better. Ok, here goes (in no particular order): Seattle: Nuked (possibly instead of one of the other cities in the ex-USA). The Puget Sound region has some of the highest concentration of military forces (especially Navy) within the US. Puget Sound should be a glowing, radioactive crater with several sub-craters around it. Detroit: Abandoned in the aftermath of the Nuking of Chicago. Feral humans roam the streets, hiding from the Jerseys. Portland, OR: The city itself has been abandoned, but fortified towns along the Willamette are doing fairly well in a return to feudalism. Mark (and here I was, trying to be good...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:32:55 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Low Wills On Oct 29, 8:34am, John L Veazey wrote: > Subject: IN> Low Wills > Question: How does one succeed at a will roll if one has a will of 1? You can't unless you can scrape up a bonus from somewhere. ("I know I'm a weak-willed nobody, but that's my car you are trying to trash!") - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [Dark Victory] Media Malakim On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >At 12:22 AM -0600 10/28/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > MALAKIM OF NYBBAS: Malakim of Communications are almost all former Malakites > of Litheroy. They frequently partner with reporters- not the gossip > columnist or restraunt critic (okay, sometimes the restraunt critic- urp!) > but a true investigative muckraker reporter. Malakim of Nybbas are sworn to > never, ever kill a human save in self-defense; however, when they use their > Resonance to spot a -human- evildoer, they may use their Resonance again to > attune themselves to the location of the target for a number of days equal > to the check digit. It is very, very difficult to shake off the Truth when > it's on your tail... > > Redneck (the other idea had its points, but this seemed better) I dunno. I liked the other idea better. Your attunement makes them specialized, one-shot Cherubs; LintKing's makes them celestial cameramen. I really like the notion of a high-grade recording that allows perception-based resonances to work with little to no penalty. Like I said, I got the idea from the Cyberpunk game...and LK's seems closer in spirit. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:55:25 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse > Detroit: Abandoned in the aftermath of the Nuking of Chicago. Feral humans > roam the streets, hiding from the Jerseys. And this is different then today HOW again? :) People live down there now, and it's still suffering from the fire of 1967. If the water supply is good, why would people abandon the city if it's not nuked? Not that the water supply there right now is exactly good, but I'm talking drinkable and not the Ankh-Morpork, and yeah, I've seen the Detroit River lately. And what about the outlying suburbs? What happens to Royal Oak and Troy? I need to know these things! :) You do realize that Detroit is built on top of salt mines, which, in the mid-60's, were converted and designed to be used as mass bomb shelters should the bomb actually fall. I have, sitting on my coffee table at home, the instructions on how to get down there, should such a thing occur. (Don't ask why they are there, they just are.) There is a chance that many people would survive, and then come back out to inhabit the city if it isn't glowing. Hmmm. I dunno. I think feral and prowling doesn't change the state of Detroit much. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:52:03 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim Check Digits On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:44:18 -0500, johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) wrote: > Just limit the CD to 6 for the Power calculation >on the Pistols alone. The normal part of the CD would remain the same. >(Mind you, none of this is Canon. I expect that GMs will find their >own accomodations with munchkinism!) > >Pistol damage right now= CD + (Level*CD) Oops. I think I undercalculateded before by forgetting the initial CD +... >Proposed Pistol damage= CD + (Level* [max CD of 6]) > > The stuff in the parentheses is the Power calculation of >course. Ok. So you're proposing a change to (Un)Holy Pistols only. Thanks, I'll give this some thought. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:02:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! At 1:11 PM -0500 10/28/97, Pee Kitty wrote: >On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > >> On Oct 27, 4:13pm, Pee Kitty wrote: >> > To what does "charm" refer to in the Lilim Band Attunements of Baal >> > and Kronos?? Baal's Lilim get a bonus to "charm" a person. Kronos' >> > Lilim get a resonance bonus on "charmed" people. Whazzup? (And what Karakash says next is what was meant -- charming in the sense of using roleplaying and/or skills to obtain a favorable reaction from someone. And thus, entranced by the Lilim Tempter, the human now gets her Band attunement bennies. This is a reversal of how I was reading it previously, and will hopefully make it into the FAQ and/or errata/clarifications.) >> > I find it hard to believe that this just refers to the Song of Charm. >> > Kronos gives away so many cool, useful attunements that this one would be >> > pathetic in comparison. An attunement that's only useful when you FIRST >> > use a song and THEN resonate on someone? Nah... >> >> Hold on there. Lilim of Kronos can detect Discord in other >> beings merely by looking into their eyes! That means that any >> celestial with discord is immediately outed as a celestial (rather >> than a human with a gimpy leg). Not a power to be discounted so >> easily. From that point of view, anything else is just a bonus. ;) > >Not necessarily...I can't see any reason why a human can't have Anger or >Greed, for example... They have it, but not in the soul-staining sense that celestials do. Usually. (If the GM *wants* a human to have a "dirty soul," then that may manifest as Discord. But it ought to freak any celestials who find out...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:18:41 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Low Wills John L Veazey queried; > Question: How does one succeed at a will roll if one has a will of 1? Spend Essence or roll a favorable Intervention... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:13:03 -0500 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Low Wills At 08:34 AM 10/29/97 -600, John L Veazey wrote: >Question: How does one succeed at a will roll if one has a will of 1? Blow Essence. Tho I believe you're not allowed to *start* with a Will of 1... -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:22:11 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Beth's post munge, take 2 > > > (Yep, that's how I described Purgatory to my players: a Celestial lint > > > trap. They get just the right 'eyugh' expression on their faces.) > > Ah, Casca, you do realize that, as the LintKing, that makes > > Purgatory mine... > If you want it, it's yours. Why you'd want a realm where time passes > more slowly than a line at the DMV is quite beyond me... Well, but, um...we get such pretty sunsets! > > Actually, though, if Purgatory gets ALL the souls that aren't good > > enough for Heaven or bad enough for Hell, I'm reaping in a *LOT* of Forces > > and Essence...wonder what I'm saving it for? Heh heh heh... > As my post said, the Essence goes toward paying off Discord-debt of the > inhabitants. It's not accessible by anyone there. Sure, not by anyone THERE, but who do you think they're paying? I turn their Discord into lint, and plant it in strategic locations throughout the world... (Why do you think God didn't give Adam and Eve bellybuttons OR pockets, hm? But he forgot about toes, the poor fool...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:30:53 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superior Book Endorsements >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:10:24 -0600 (CST) >From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) > > >>You're a publisher. You've got a hot book which appeals to *EVERYBODY* >that >>reads it. You hand it to your subordinate, who is secretly an Impudite >of >>the Media, and they send copies to *EVERY* Superior on both sides with >a >>standard 'celebrity endorsement' request letter. > > >It was the bible, wasn't it? :=) > No, obviously not, because the Bible doesn't appeal to everybody. }:-{D In fact, it's one of the most contentious books ever published. No, the book isn't any specific book, just a hypothetical universally appealing book. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:40:04 GMT From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: IN> [LAST LAUGH] Toonic >> * Animim. Big-eyed Anime Toons. Resonance for embarrassing social >> situations. >> >Animim! Animim! > >*bounce around off the walls* > >Why am I imagining a horde of Ranmas climbing out of the Pits of Hell all >of the sudden? :) All with a Discord of : Switch Vessels (from male to female) when splashed with cold water, and (from female to male) when splashed with hot water? And let's not mention the pandas. Or the panties. - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:43:51 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse A *LOT* more than fourteen nukes were launched/set off- in fact, *all* the nuclear devices on Earth were launched. Only those fourteen reached their targets, however, between ultra-secret missile defense systems and Celestial and Etherial interference on both sides. A -lot- more strategic sites, such as Ft. Bragg, were destroyed by conventional or Celestial means, or were just plain abandoned. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Attn: Karakash - FAQ-type answer needed! On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > Without going into the gory details, the 'charm' refered > to in the descriptions is pretty close to the english definition... > _not_ a game mechanic! If, in the GM's opinion, the Lilim character > has acted 'charming' enough to the victim, she > should get the bonus. This probably also requires appropriate > circumstances. If you are in combat or being tortured, it's easy > to miss the wiles of even a Lilim! ;) Thanks 1.0E+6 for the answer! Oh, and stick this puppy in the FAQ asap! :) Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:49:02 +0000 () From: "David.Evans" Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology Redneck sayeth:- > >As one who speaks the "holy tongue" Hebrew, I can't help but wonder. > > > >"Elohim" is a Hebrew word meaning, literally, "gods". It is the name God > >uses to emphasize his being genderless, single and plural, in the Old > >Testament. > > Couldn't it also mean, 'those who are of God?' > I was of the impression that, as far as I can remember, "elohim" literally translates as "the ones that came from above". I can't even beging to recall *where* I found this out in the first place, but I'm quite positive that it's right. Be seeing you... David. (That's the OTHER Other other David, dontchaknow... who is also a font of all useless trivia and knowledge, some of which is occasionally useful from time to time :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:56:56 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >At 01:32 AM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >My respect for you keeps getting more and more immense, Redneck. There's >practically enough raw material within the Dark Victory to fill a >supplement book. And you don't seem to be letting up. What's more, you >seem to have an excellent ear for what what's up with the Celestials. Bravo. Thanks. }:-{D >That said, I need to bite. I see a couple of references in here that >haven't been explained yet... >> >CELESTIALED >>Paris >> >What happened to Paris? We've heard about Romania and D.C., but it seems >that Paris has not yet been discussed... Remember that the single most potent Heavenly Tether is here, in Notre Dame Cathederal. There were literally tens of thousands of demons and angels on both sides trying to knock out that Tether. This is where David got captured, fighting with the rear guard as most of the defenders were called back to defend the Eternal City. Incidental casualties included hundreds of thousands of civilians, the Louvre, and virtually the entire national government of France. Today, even a human can feel it; the Symphony is -foul- around Paris. The area for over a mile in radius around the Cathederal is devastated. Only a handful of the most desperate or most Diabolic humans will live even in the mostly intact outskirts of town. >> Perth * >> >Perth is in the midst of a struggle? Jersey invasion, or has Saminga gone >Down Under? > Perth is a city under siege, with the forces of the Republic of North Australia trying to take the city from forces loyal to the old Australian government. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:05:21 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Low Wills >Question: How does one succeed at a will roll if one has a will of 1? > Intervention. Divine, Infernal, or Gamemaster. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:26:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Genesis At 11:17 AM -0700 10/28/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: >> > >Habbalah: >> > > Copulation, "God's method". :) >> > Does this mean they only use the missionary position? (Habbalah >> No no no no... they definitely have whips and chains. I would never >> deny a Habbalah a perfectly good pasttime. :) >> My idea was just that they do it biologically... oh, never mind. > Mind, given the way Habbalah feel about themselves, it may be >worth noting that they probably do it in Corporeal Vessels, since they're >so much more attractive that way...assuming that's an option. I suppose >it might HAVE to be Celestial to work. Who says Habbies think they're ugly? They probably just think they're punk. All those scars, those gaping wounds, they just show how *tough* and *strong* Habbies are. >(Incidentally, don't Elohim use turky basters?) Nah, they do the "Q" thing, touching fingertips with a little bitty lightshow. Which means that if you find a pair of them holding hands, they're getting really kinky. [Canon? Where? I don't see any canon around here, do you?] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:11:05 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> More Shedite Stuff >>Free Lilim who didn't have Hearts wind up in Limbo, too... (You don't >>need a Heart to leave Hell... That's Errata.) > > Okay...If you don't need a Heart to leave Hell, just a Vessel, >what's keeping all those Shedim from going joyriding on Earth every time >they feel they can get away with it? Self-preservation instinct. Shedim up on Earth without orders will be lucky if Asmodeus' forces just strip them of some Forces. Hell takes a dim view of joyrides, unless they order those joyrides. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> (Un)Holy Pistols (was: Seraphim Check Digits) Regarding the "should one limit CD to 6 for Holy Pistols" argument... Perhaps it's not how the rules intended it, but I always thought the multiplication was done BEFORE adding the bonus to the CD. Maybe I'm just used to math/INWO precedence, but it seemed to make sense... So, IMO (which is more than likely TOTALLY non-canon), if we have a combat monster with a Holy Pistol/4 and a final skill of 21, who rolls a CD of 4 naturally, then the power of the pistol is 16 (4*4). So the final damage is 4 (CD) plus 16 (power) plus 9 (21-12); total damage 29. This seems FAR less prone to abuse than considering the power to be 52 (13*4), making the total damage 65. Even if it's not right, it's the way I'm gonna play it..... Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:27:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] LITHEROY LIVES! At 4:09 PM -0500 10/28/97, Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: >[Charybdis] >>>> Guess that's about the most literal example I've seen >>>> yet of the old cliche', "The road to Hell is paved with good >>>> intentions...." > >[Nathaniel] >>>I was hoping that, in the DV universe at least, it would be paved >>>with those Ophanim of Litheroy... > >[Archangel Beth] >>(I think that character has become the character that we all >>love to pick on...) > > And most of you haven't even met him... :) Poor Jeremiah... And >he really is a nice guy, too... :) We've got one of our own, in our RL game. He's scary and manic. We like picking on him. It's fun. Wouldn't trade him... >[Nathaniel] >>>Of course, it would probably be paved with Malakim feathers, instead, >>>for that oh, so creepy feeling... > >[Archangel Beth] >>Malakite feathers. With the wings still attached. But not the rest >>of the Malakim. > > OUCH! It means you don't have to think of a bunch of Malakim with plucked wings, like thanksgiving turkies... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #446 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.