From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Oct 30 11:52:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22788 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:52:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA15535 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:23:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:23:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199710301723.LAA15535@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #448 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 448 In this digest: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Ofanim resonance, tethers Re: IN> [DV] Re: IN> alarms Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween IN> Calabim of Belial [de-lurk] IN> Publius Eli thoughts [de-lurk] IN> Crime & Punishment Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Yves Library Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween Re: IN> Elohim etymology Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse Re: IN> Yves Library Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween IN> Stuff and Bother Re: IN> Low Wills ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:38:41 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >I was wondering... lot's of the inhabited cities will have some kind of >Priest-Government or faction... where the priests,shamans,monks,etc are >governing a mass of believers... >Fanatics are the ultimate post-holocaust Leaders... >What you think? > I think I've already written up one such. }:-{D There are -five- Popes out there- one in Rio, one in Andalusia, one in the Congo, one in New Orleans, and one in Quebec. (Only the ones in Rio and the Congo actually rule the city, however.) The old King of Norway has Odin visiting his dreams *every* *night.* Salt Lake City (add that one to the Inhabited list) has gone over en masse to rule by the Mormons, with all non-Mormons expelled from the inhabitable parts of Utah. Those natives in the dark jungles of South America who still worship their old gods -weren't touched- by Armageddeon. Bear in mind that level of remaining technology has -no- bearing on whether or not a city will be taken over by religious fanatics. Redneck (Oral Roberts does not take over Tulsa, though) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:37:54 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >Wouldn't mind knowing what happened to Redford and Birmingham, myself. > Birmingham, Alabama? And Redford, where? >>Hmmm. I dunno. I think feral and prowling doesn't change the state of >>Detroit much. :) >> >The biggest thing a major city, any major city, has going against it is >food supply. That isn't too much of a problem for Detroit since there is a >lot of farmable land around it but most major cities are going to see a >mass exodus until food supplies can be re-established. Very true, which is why I have Denver as abandoned. It wasn't harmed by war or disaster, and there are plenty of minerals to trade with, but without gasoline to fuel rapid transports, it became unfeasible to support hundreds of thousands of people there. Santa Fe, OTOH, was better able to sustain itself. It's a lot smaller, and things are tight there, but between the Rio Grande and traders, it survives. Interesting footnote: fuel is no longer Texas' main export in DV. Neither is technology. It's -food.- >Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph Road, >nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." Saminga loves Michigan. He just doesn't care for anything living there. }:-{D Redneck (perhaps this Telegraph Road is a tether?) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:40:41 +0000 From: Sam Kington Subject: Re: IN> Ofanim resonance, tethers Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > > I've been looking at the Ofanim resonance, and have decided that the > motion aspect of their power needs to beefed up. > > As it stands, an Ofanite in celestial form can move the check digit > in miles in a single minute if it makes its resonance check. Now > let's assume Joe Ofanite has 6 Celestial Forces, so that he'll > fail his resonance check only on an Infernal Intervention. Then > he's going to be averaging 3.5 miles/minute, or 210 miles per hour. > > Sure, this is fast for you and me, but it's singularly unimpressive for > angels of motion. If Joe wanted to get from New York to LA, he would > get there faster buying a plane ticket than using his connection to > the Divine. And this is a 6 Celestial Force Ofanite! Most would be > slower. [snip solution - multiply everything by 10] Well, yes, but first you have to get to the airport, get the ticket, wait around for ages (and you know how much they *hate* that), sit on the plane without doing anything (see above), get through checking out, get from the destination airport to where they want to get. All this takes *time*. For short to medium trips, they'll still end up faster; and besides, it takes them faster to get to and from the airport, at least ;-). Actually, I suspect that if an Ofanite wanted to get from New York to LA, they'd first try going up to Heaven, find a Tether in or around LA (I'm assuming that hostile Archangel's tethers may be out of bounds), and pop back down to LA. I see no reason why the Ofanite's resonance for motion wouldn't work in Heaven either, so they should be able to find the Heaven-side end of the appropriate LA tether fairly quickly. (Yes, other angels can pull the same trick; but probably not as well, and an Ofanim popping up to Heaven, heading straight for the appropriate Tether and popping back down to Earth is *normal* ;-). Other angels get strange looks. Actually, Ofanim get the strange looks as well, but they're going so fast they don't notice.) BTW, rough rule of thumb please: how many tethers per city? Austin has four (two a side) for 900,000 people, according to Night Music; should we expect similar ratios for other cities, or is Austin special? Sam - -- There are *my* opinions, dammit, and let no-one say otherwise. Home page: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/cgi/illuminati Oregano, n.: The ancient Italian art of pizza folding. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:11:15 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] >This isn't really a proper question, but it's something that occurred to >me when reading the DV webpage. If God has taken the souls of the Saved >to him, and sealed off the upper Heavens, then the very source of >existance itself has removed itself from our reality. >What happens to the Symphony when the orchestra stops playing? The orchestra is still playing, the songwriter has just left the building. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:42:22 -0800 From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: Re: IN> alarms Dan Ozdowski wrote: >Seraphim tax auditors? *shudder* Actually, they're not all that bad. You want *bad*, there's a character I'm working on for a PBEM game. Rachel Goldstein, Malakite of Marc. Role: IRS agent Quote: "'And Caesar Augustus sent out a decree that all the world should be taxed...' How _did_ you think we arranged to get Mary to the right place, anyway?" Specialty: Finding out where Hell's Earthly resources are... and then making sure that they won't be there much longer. Last seen: Testifying in front of a Congressional committee. Tony Z Special Collections Librarian & Archivist E-mail: tzbarasc@lasierra.edu La Sierra University Et vocavit Deus, "Fiat lux!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:29:16 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast >What happened on the west coast (geologically)? > >I've got some topoligical maps and I could figure out what's above/below >water and what's likely to still be standing. > >Did the Pacific rise or did the stuff west of the San Andreas sink? > >Also, it's possible that the part of California containing L.A. is an >island now. The bay seperating Baja California from the rest of Mexico is >part of the same fault. > >Do you have plans for any specific volcanic activity or should I wing it? > Yep. Los Angeles is now Los Angeles Bay, all the way back to the former San Andreas Fault. Most of the land between the fault and the ocean from San Francisco Bay down to Los Angeles forms one long island now- the fault has opened up into a long sea inlet named San Andreas Sound. The oceanside parts of San Diego and Tiajuana were liquified by the earthquakes and irradiated by the bomb blast from Los Angeles. They're toast. The same for virtually every oceanside city south of Sausalito- landslides and liquefaction pretty much dumped them into the sea. The tetonic action has rippled up and down the Americas, re-activating dormant volcanoes up and down the Pacific rim. Earthquakes are still dying down from the Last Battle, and most of the volcanoes are still smoking- those that aren't exploding ash and lava all over the place. The West Coast is -not- the place to be.... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Kinney Subject: Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Would you be willing to summarize their list? I'm curious. > Well, there shouldn't be *too* much problem with a basic summary. You can debate the significances of the locations (all US) among yourselves. :-) Type Description Location THRONES God's Messengers Salt Lake City, Utah. ARCHANGELS Answer to Individual Names Washington DC VIRTUES Take Form of Birds Near bodies of water Oswego NY and Green Bay Wis. PRINCIPALITIES Water Spirits Coastal regions, esp. Florida Keys and Maine coast. DOMINATIONS Heaven's Musicians Baton Rouge LA, Texas panhandle EARTH ANGELS Appear Human Rest stops on major highways Esp. I-70 in Colorado CHERUBIM Childlike Creatures Chapel Hill, NC POWERS Guardian Angels Who Watch Over Children Oklahoma ANGELS OF DEATH God's Grim Reapers Hospital Wards and dangerous areas East LA SERAPHIM Balls of Pure Energy On airliners, esp. in Northwest The article also includes tips for viewing angels, and more extensive info on what they are like. :-) (No, I'll go no farther than that as I'm rather loath to deprive the publisher of possible funds from the article.) alberich@iglou.com | Mark Kinney | http://www.iglou.com/nations "This, I suppose, is the logical extension of having a pizza sent to someone that didn't order it?" -- Me, don't ask why. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:57:59 -0500 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! > CHERUBIM Childlike Creatures Chapel Hill, NC Yeah, I've seen them, but the locals claim they are just college students who've had too much to drink. ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:37:26 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Emily Dresner wrote: > > > >Yeah. I'm gonna remember that for gaming on Thursday. I can see my token > > >Happy Fun Bal using that. "Contrary to what the damn angel told you, I am > > >NOT a Balseraph. I'm a hubcap. And you want to go to bed with me. It'll > > >do well for your career." > > > > > >Cool cool cool. > > > > > >- Em, who is wondering why all her demonic NPCs are horny all the time. > > > > Well, my demonic PC is... *ahem* Well, what do you > > expect -- she's got two of them.... > > > > I hope someone takes pictures if the Happy Fun Bal gets his way. > > > > My players, for some inexplicable reason, has decided that the Happy Fun > Bal is actually a box of Stove Top Stuffing. I have yet to puzzle out > this conclusion. And they're in search of a crowbar to remove the > cellular phone from his head. > > All I know is that there is going to be nudity, wackiness, and three imps > with video cameras. "Turn on your side! Turn on your side! We need a > better shot!" :) > Tears! You made me laugh so hard I *actually* began to tear. (The funny part is I can actually picture it) :-DDDDDDD Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:09:15 -0600 (CST) From: Mischa Krilov Subject: IN> Calabim of Belial [de-lurk] IN, p 167- "...Calabim of Fire do not disturb the Symphony when they use their powerful resonance!" Pardon my ignorance, but does this mean that Belial's Calabim can kill humans with their resonance, without a sound in the Symphony? My demon party recently indoctrinated a mortal for this reason, to kill humans with impunity and some amount of discretion. Do Calabim of Belial share this ability? Me. - --------------------------[Mischa Krilov]-------------------------- | http://wwwlfpl.forestry.lsu.edu/mischa/ | | When I find a film dull, I find it infinitely more | | entertaining to watch the scratches. -Norman McLaren | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:15:00 -0600 (CST) From: Mischa Krilov Subject: IN> Publius Eli thoughts [de-lurk] Nybbas' picture (IN, p176) has several monitors showing other Princes- Kronos, Andrealphus, Kobal, Saminga, Baal... and Eli. Fate, Lust, Dark Humor, Death, War... and Creation? I admit that I haven't followed the full Publius line of thought on Eli as Jesus, but surely this little tidbit seems to suggest almost the opposite. Thoughts? Me. - --------------------------[Mischa Krilov]-------------------------- | http://wwwlfpl.forestry.lsu.edu/mischa/ | | When I find a film dull, I find it infinitely more | | entertaining to watch the scratches. -Norman McLaren | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:22:32 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> Crime & Punishment "Reflect upon three things, and you will not come within the power of crime: know whence you came, whither you are going and before whom you are destined to give justification and account." Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers) Ch.5 Dearest Yael, I hope this message finds you in good spirits, and that the mortal realm is neither proving to be a disappointment, nor the mortals losing their charm for you. You have probably guessed that I had hoped it would be possible for us to find a more pleasant vessel for you, but as your heart seemed so set on keeping the one you are currently using it seems that you are to be allowed to make those decisions for yourself. At any rate, we parted before I had properly completed your instruction to my satisfaction so I thought this might be a good opportunity to answer some of your questions with respect to the practical applications of jurisprudence. The first full trial that you have witnessed was, as you know, the large show-trial which ended so strangely no more than a month ago. In many ways, this was very typical of the cases you will see for yourself, but also there were some dissimilarities which I'll try to bring to your attention. Firstly, you should be aware that Dominic doesn't attend all trials in person, although when you wear the judge's mask you are acting as his proxy and with his authority, so hold yourself high. You asked me at the trial whether it was common that the three judges were masked and robed. I told you then that when a court had been convened with 'anonymous' judges in that way such that even each of them doesn't know the identities of the other two, it is usually at the request of the defendent. Looking through the archives, I note that it has also been common to call an anonymous court when the defendent is significantly powerful, word-bound or contraversial. Secondly, a full court of this type is only called when the weight of evidence against the accused is considered to be overwhelming (being a demon is considered to be overwhelming evidence, naturally), and under those circumstances the onus is on the accused to prove their innocence. That is to say, we do not hold that anyone brought to trial is innocent until proven guilty -- the fact that they are being tried at all means that there is significant evidence against them which they are being given a last chance to clear. The question of guilt or innocence is decided by a vote of the three judges when all prosecution and defence is completed, and so is the sentencing. When there is a delay between judging and sentencing some manner of house arrest is usually installed. This will generally happen when one or more of the judges wishes to consult with precedent. If any new evidence comes to light in this period then a retrial is called, with new judges. A more common institution which you may have been involved with already is a simple interrogation, known as putting the accused 'to the Question'. This is in many ways more informal and can be considered to be part of the evidence-gathering operation. Most celestials serving other superiors will respond to the phrase 'being put to the Question' with fear or tension. This is a deliberate ploy -- fear is good for the soul and is an aid to conscience so try to avoid the temptation to comfort any in distress. The innocent have nothing to fear. If you get the chance, I would very much like to hear how you are getting on. Don't think that this old cherub loses interest in his protegees simply because they are no longer in his sight! Your erstwhile mentor, Gregor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:20:42 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Tabloids strike again! Thank you for the summary. They took the choir names from the angelology of Pseudo-Dionysius, probably the most popular angelology in Europe. (The Angels of Death, however, are an add-on.) But, the offices and descriptions they gave to the angels are ... ah ... original. (Except for cherubim as childlike, which is both unoriginal and unlike the original sources. IN cherubim are a lot closer.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:46:10 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology At 06:06 PM 10/28/97 -0600, Redneck wrote: >> >>As one who speaks the "holy tongue" Hebrew, I can't help but wonder. >> >>"Elohim" is a Hebrew word meaning, literally, "gods". It is the name God >>uses to emphasize his being genderless, single and plural, in the Old >>Testament. >> >>What made the people at SJG decide that Elohim are kinds of angels? > >Couldn't it also mean, 'those who are of God?' No. It _could_ mean "godly", or "celestial", but with an added "i" phoneme, that is "Elohiyim", which might be written as "Elohiim" too, but pronounced with the "y". - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:43:40 -0500 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse > >Redneck (Oral Roberts does not take over Tulsa, though) > At least there's some good coming out of DV...:) I would have Jerry Falwell taking over the thrill city of Lynchburg, VA, though...:) SeanMike who, since his boss is out today, may go ahead and work up a hunk of VA for DV - -- SeanMike Whipkey (smw4s@virginia.edu) is: The Grinning Impudite of Andrealphus, Captain of Diabolical Delight South Republican Green Mamba Heavy Gear Pilot/Wetlander UVA Government Major/VP Paintball Club/GWAR Cyberslave/Pep Band Drummer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:55:28 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology At 06:49 PM 10/29/97 +0000, Other other other David wrote: >Redneck sayeth:- >> >As one who speaks the "holy tongue" Hebrew, I can't help but wonder. >> > >> >"Elohim" is a Hebrew word meaning, literally, "gods". It is the name God >> >uses to emphasize his being genderless, single and plural, in the Old >> >Testament. >> >> Couldn't it also mean, 'those who are of God?' >> > >I was of the impression that, as far as I can remember, "elohim" >literally translates as "the ones that came from above". I can't even >beging to recall *where* I found this out in the first place, but I'm >quite positive that it's right. I'm quite positive that it's wrong. Elohim means precisely my quoted text above. Hebrew is my mother tongue. "Those who came from above" could, with some creative license, be worded "Elyonim", but absolutely not "Elohim". And the "el" in Elyonim is not even the same phonetic sound as the one in Elohim. The prior is a Hebrew "AYIN" and the latter a Hebrew "ALEPH". - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:52:13 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology At 09:08 AM 10/29/97 -0500, Earl wrote: >There are many supposed hierarchies of angelic choirs. Derek >shopped around among them to compose his own. (Or Croc did.) >I have seen a few of these, and "Elohim" is one of the choir >names listed, so Derek (or Croc) didn't make it up. Okay, fair enough. >So how did "Elohim" get on any of these choir lists? I am just >guessing, but I think that, in Job, in the famous scene in the >heavenly court, where Satan speaks with God, the court is >introduced as the "sons of God," the "bene Elohim." So it >may be that "Elohim" as a choir name is a truncation of that >phrase. Okay. I suppose Hebrew, like Latin, has been mangled a bit over the years... Actually, I kind like the mysterious flavor it adds to In Nomine. Even though it's no big mystery to me... Ofanim, for instance, is simply a Biblical word for "wheels". :) - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween "I'm trying to figure out how to do 6 glowing red eyes under the hood. Any ideas?" Hmm. A piece of cardboard with six holes cut out and sealed with red cellophane with a light behind might work. If you can find nifty-keen LEDs, even better. yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:16:44 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library >>(I'm not kidding -- I was helping the local Library do their >>inventory, and you need two people so that the books don't >>suck you in...) >Heck that happens every time I start to put my own books into alphabetic >order. That happens to me too... :) >Or trying to go to a book store to buy only *one* book. Books come in singles???? What a concept! Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** Let them eat each other!** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:29:16 -0500 (EST) From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Places - West Coast In a message dated 10/30/97 4:38:54 AM, Redneck wrote: >The tetonic action has rippled up and down the Americas, re-activating >dormant volcanoes up and down the Pacific rim. Earthquakes are still dying >down from the Last Battle, and most of the volcanoes are still smoking- >those that aren't exploding ash and lava all over the place. Then nevermind Seattle being Nuked. Mt. Ranier's eruption would have buried everything in about six to eight feet of ash, with the Kent Valley (including Boeing's biggest plants) being filled with lava. Mark (who is imagining a Trident II sub unable to leave port due to ash...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:36:45 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology At 02:38 PM 10/29/97 -0500, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>"Elohim" is a Hebrew word meaning, literally, "gods". It is the name God >>uses to emphasize his being genderless, single and plural, in the Old >>Testament. >> >They are, from some references. I'd like to point out that each and every one of those are resultant of erroneous translations and less-than-professional translators. This could have happened hundreds of years ago, because of some monk who knew better Hebrew than anyone else around, but not good enough to discern small differences. I'll show you one example below. >"THE ORDERS OF THE CELESTIAL HIERARCHY > >Moses Maimonides (in _Mishne Torah_) His Hebrew name was Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon, abbreviated in Hebrew to RAMBAM (a voweled pronounciation of RMBM). He was one of the prominent Jewish rabbies to deal with mysticism in an orderly, scholarly manner, and is highly revered not only in Judaism, but also among the Islamic scholars. Just FYI. (Thank you, btw, for an informative message!) >On page 105: > >"Elohim -- in hebrew, elohim stands for Jehovah (YHWH) in the singular >or plural. [...] In I Samuel 28:13, where a woman (not the witch) of >Endor tells Saul "I saw gods [the Hebrew here gives elohim] ascending >out of the earth," the word would seem to designate spirits of the >departed (from below, not from above) rather than God or gods. In >_The Zohar_ (NUmbers 208b), Rabbi Isaac, commenting on the passage >in Deuteronomy "And God [Elohim] came to Balaam," says: "What we have >learnt is that Elohim in this passage designates an angel, because >sometimes the angel is called by the superior name." In the Mirandola >listing of the celestial hierarchy, the elohim rank 9th (where >Dionysius gives the order as angels). In the _Book of Formation_, >elohim is listed 7th of the 10 sefiroth and corresponds to netzach >(victory). See Blake's drawing, "Elohim giving life to Adam." Netzach (victory). Hmpf. Netzach means "Eternity" and nothing else. "Nitzach" (with the stress on the last syllable, as opposed to Netzach) means "triumphed" (3rd person, past tense, "to triumph"). May be a little nitpicky, but then the difference in meaning is HUGE, and this is the name of a sefira we're talking about! A whole cabbalistic sphere of existence, part of the Tree Of Life. These mistakes are abundant in the various translations of old Hebrew texts, unfortunately. Some of them, beyond recovery, since the Hebrew original was lost. - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:38:03 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse > >Wouldn't mind knowing what happened to Redford and Birmingham, myself. > > > Birmingham, Alabama? And Redford, where? Birmingham, Michigan and Redford, Michigan. Both are suburbs of Detroit. And both I think should be totalled in the Apolcalypse for reasons of taste. :) > >Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph Road, > >nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." > > Saminga loves Michigan. He just doesn't care for anything living there. }:-{D > Hey hey hey. There are some very nice parts of Michigan. Really. Take my word for it. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse > >People live down there now, and it's still suffering from the fire of > >1967. If the water supply is good, why would people abandon the city if > >it's not nuked? Not that the water supply there right now is exactly > >good, but I'm talking drinkable and not the Ankh-Morpork, and yeah, I've > >seen the Detroit River lately. And what about the outlying suburbs? What > >happens to Royal Oak and Troy? I need to know these things! :) > > > Wouldn't mind knowing what happened to Redford and Birmingham, myself. I live in Ann Arbor. Somehow, I think the place would just get fruitier. Yeah, I know that takes work, but still. I suddenly have an image in my head of brain eating zombies roaming the halls of Twelve Oaks Mall in Novi. "Brains... BRAINS!" That may just be a flashback from South Park last night, though. > >Hmmm. I dunno. I think feral and prowling doesn't change the state of > >Detroit much. :) > > > The biggest thing a major city, any major city, has going against it is > food supply. That isn't too much of a problem for Detroit since there is a > lot of farmable land around it but most major cities are going to see a > mass exodus until food supplies can be re-established. No, there isn't much problem. Once you get out to a certain point the place is filled with wanton evil cows and lots of farmland. I think Michigan would make out alright, because the state is largely empty, has plenty of water, oil (YEAH! We've got our own oil!) for gas for a while, and food, and hey, the Michigan Militia! It wouldn't be great, and we'd be stuck with having nothing to watch but UPN, a fate worse then death. But I think the state would survive if nothing large and plutonium filled was dropped on it. > > Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph Road, > nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." I did. And I shiver in terror. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:55:38 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween "I'm trying to figure out how to do 6 glowing red eyes under the hood. Any ideas?" Small bicycle reflectors? I believe there is also reflective tape, too, that could be cut to look quite eye-like. Or you could play around with reflective stickers. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:08:11 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Elohim etymology I asked my father about this. He's studied Biblical Hebrew. He said: "Elohim" is of course a plural noun, and is sometimes used to refer to "divine ones" in a heavenly court. See for example Ps. 8:6; Ps. 97:8. The term is also applied to single gods other than Yahweh. So the use of "elohim" for a choir of angels would fit into Old Testament usage. So, apparently, they are just plain "gods," and no one is particularly excited about it. We need not look for truncations of other phrases, or whatnot. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:59:50 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >> >>Redneck (Oral Roberts does not take over Tulsa, though) >> > >At least there's some good coming out of DV...:) > >I would have Jerry Falwell taking over the thrill city of Lynchburg, VA, >though...:) > You mean he doesn't already? }:-{D Redneck (despises Jerry Flawless, BTW- go for it) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:21:43 -0600 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Yves Library Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > > >>(I'm not kidding -- I was helping the local Library do their > >>inventory, and you need two people so that the books don't > >>suck you in...) > > >Heck that happens every time I start to put my own books into alphabetic > >order. > > That happens to me too... :) > > >Or trying to go to a book store to buy only *one* book. > > Books come in singles???? What a concept! > Not where I am concerned! [this can also be translated as "couldn't prove it by me!"] Though I have to admit, the books seem to suffer from the same resonance restrictions as Celestials, {line of sight, no telephones or email, pictures allowed only in a few select cases} since I can order just one from Amazon.com, but can't manage to come even close to just one when they are actually physically present around me, like when I walk into the local Waldenbooks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:10:15 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween >"I'm trying to figure out how to do 6 glowing red eyes under the hood. Any >ideas?" > >Hmm. A piece of cardboard with six holes cut out and sealed with red >cellophane with a light behind might work. If you can find nifty-keen LEDs, >even better. For all those who have suggested Christmas lights: don't. Those little incandescent bulbs can burn skin or start fires, -if- you can get them to work off a battery. If you can get by a costume shop, they should be able to fix you up with safe-to-wear glowing eyes. If you can't get to a costume shop (or can't afford it) I recommend using red reflector tape, bicycle reflectors, or luminescent decals. If you're using a full face mask- leave vents to breathe through!- I suggest the cellophane eyes with cold glow-sticks behind them; however, this will make it VERY hard to see through the mask. I recommend making a separate headpiece if you use this method and make your Dominic a seven-foot spectre of Judgement. }:-{D Redneck (has done a little costuming before) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:09:00 -0600 From: "Yeager, Alex" Subject: IN> Stuff and Bother From: Dan Ozdowski > Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF} An IN Halloween > One of my buddies and I are going as Dominic and Asmodeus for > Halloween. Hee hee heeee... > I'm trying to figure out how to do 6 glowing red eyes under the > hood. Any ideas? I'd recommend the glow stick route already suggested, with some judiciously placed electrical tape to narrow down your "eyes". And a bit of aluminum foil (or similarly reflective, opaque material) pasted on the back, for further effect (and so you don't have six red eyes permanently burned into your retina...and spend the rest of your life with the image of Dominic staring at you from thin air.) From: ?, Redneck, Emily D. Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Cities After the Apocalypse >>> Detroit: Abandoned in the aftermath of the Nuking of Chicago. >>> Feral humans roam the streets, hiding from the Jerseys. >> Why? Besides radiation, what drove people away from Detroit? Why >> did it become unfeasible? > Have you ever *BEEN* to Detroit? > It was the Fist, I tell you! The Fist finally drove them all away! :P The Fist, BTW, is a large Robert Graham sculpture of a forearm and fist in downtown Detroit. I have a lovely image of a Kyriotate of Jean's last stand... Jeff Miller writes: > The biggest thing a major city, any major city, has going against > it is food supply. That isn't too much of a problem for Detroit > since there is a lot of farmable land around it but most major > cities are going to see a mass exodus until food supplies can be > re-established. And the multitude of lakes would supply an abundance of water as well. The image is more "Michigan Militia"-ish that anything - lotsa folks running around playing soldier in the suburbs/U.P., with Malphas enjoying every minute of it. Personally, being the Marc supporter that I am, I think it would be interesting for his battle climax to have been there, but (as brilliant as DV is, Redneck), my little IN monitor has gone back to the "halogen" setting... > Besides, Saminga *likes* eastern Michigan. Just think of Telegraph > Road, nicknamed "Death a Mile Highway." Based on this, Saminga would leave Detroit alone ("Land of the 90 mph Bumper-to Bumper Rush Hour!") Being an Ohio transplant both awed and terrified of Michigan driving habits, I am convinced that Kobal and Saminga are co-operators of the Michigan driver's license bureau. Alex Yeager YeagerAW@Maritz.com MIB 0230/FoL/INWO Local 23 Ophanim of Eli in service to Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:11:18 -600 From: "John L Veazey" Subject: Re: IN> Low Wills > From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" > At 08:34 AM 10/29/97 -600, John L Veazey wrote: > >Question: How does one succeed at a will roll if one has a will of 1? > > Blow Essence. Tho I believe you're not allowed to *start* with a Will of 1... > -Loki If I'm remembering correctly the minimum starting stat is 1 Vz ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #448 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.