From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Nov 15 02:55:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15128 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:55:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id CAA22515 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:51:03 -0600 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:51:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199711150851.CAA22515@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #472 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, November 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 472 In this digest: Re: IN> Adventure Discussion on the List re: IN> Guardian angels IN> Shabtai Tzvi IN> Re: AIRPLANE! IN> IN www sites Re: IN> Anachronistic Words Re: IN> Questions philosophical and practical... IN> INC adventure seeds IN> Time Travel on the list! Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! IN> Non-Collectible Card Games Re: IN> Non-Collectible Card Games Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! IN> New Princess. IN> [DV] Furfur, Demon Prince of Hardcore IN> [DV] Progress Report IN> The honorable Rulius Advocatus, Esq. IN> Prince of Wrath Re: IN> New Prince. (Night Music SPOILERS) Re: IN> [DV] Progress Report Re: IN> Anachronistic Words Re: IN> Anachronistic Words ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Discussion on the List [SPOILERS: NO DINERO] Not a big deal, just wanted to mention that I've been there. Its real name is ABC No Rio, it is between Rivington and Suffolk streets in the East Village, and that the nearby garden is pretty lovely indeed. yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:33:13 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: re: IN> Guardian angels At 06:44 PM 11/3/97 -0600, Earl wrote: >Ijon Tichy wrote: > >> Jewish? I doubt that. The Jewish religion uses the Hebrew >> Calendar exclusively, which is based on the moon, rather than >> the sun, and has different month names and lengths. > >Perhaps the angels were originally assigned to signs of the >Zodiac? These don't match the months exactly, anymore, but >I think they used to do so better. I'm far from autoritative on this one, but I doubt they were. The Zodiac, after all, is not Jewish in origin either. Some parallels have been drawn between cabbalistic notions and the zodiac, but it is clearly a foreign concept to basic Jewish thought. >> Besides, Judaism does not mentioned the concept of "Guardian" >> angels as such. AFAIK, Judaism considers angels servitors of God \> and proxies of his will, never actually personally >> attached to a person or group. > >Well, there's Michael, described in the book of Daniel as the >guardian of Israel. Yes, but not in the sense we use in In Nomine of genuine "Guardian angels". I think the meaning is that God charged Michael with protecting Israel, among other things, and at certain times. I don't think the concept of angels dedicated to single objects/groups is presented in the old testament. - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:44:35 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: IN> Shabtai Tzvi At 06:44 PM 11/3/97 -0600, Em Dresner wrote: > [Ijon] >> It may be worth noting here, for everyone's general knowledge, that Judaism >> had a period of time infested with false messiahs, the most notable among >> them called "Shabtai Tzvi". Tzvi had an entire cult set up around him, and >> held out for several years despite outraged rabbinic excommunications and >> severe verdicts calling for his execution by stoning. Other sects found >> their own messiahs, and persecuted just as vigorously. >> >> Perhaps, if there's interest, I'll gather up the facts and publish an >> adventure seed. > >Oh, yes. Shabtai Tzvi. A Balseraph if I ever saw one. Sure. I think >an adventure seed would be *fascinating*, and heck, I'd probably use it. Oh! I'm glad to see there's interest. Okay, I'll whip something up, but don't rush me. I'm a miracle man. You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles! ;) I'll be letting everybody know when I have the seed ready. Incidentally, whoever maintains the INC/INC2 sites, could you send me an e-mail with instructions for submitting the seed once its ready (or do you just grab it off the list?) - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:21:49 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: IN> Re: AIRPLANE! As for smuggling stuff on a plane, may I present a (failed) submission to the relics contest: The Hold-out Bible/Koran/(etc): Essentially, you can put something between certain pages, read aloud a passage on that page, close the Book, and it disappears! It reappears when the passage is read aloud again. Yes it's cheezy version of the good old portable hole, but it works.... 'ta, Martin Leuschen martinl@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:23:36 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: IN> IN www sites You forgot to check www.hell.com - strangely appropriate, and perhaps just a tad unsettling... 'ta, Martin Leuschen martinl@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:31:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Anachronistic Words At 11:26 PM -0600 11/13/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>> You can only get a Word if you ask for it. No one is >>>'drafted' for the position. So 'avoidance' is a simple matter >>>of not asking! ;) >>Wait, can't Lucifer asign different Words to Demons pentioning him for a >>certain one? > >Yes, but you have to ask for a Word before you get one- even if that Word >isn't the one you wanted. Well, you don't *have* to. Lauren didn't. He just gave it to her because she was goo---uh, skilled. But that's Lucifer for you, and those are exceptions. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:31:04 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions philosophical and practical... At 12:53 PM +1100 11/14/97, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: >1. What Song can cure disease? Healing would make sense, but doesn't >make allowances for some diseases being harder to cure than others >(AIDS, cancer etc). Currently, the Song of Corporeal Healing is all we have. There will undoubtedly be others -- Songs of Curing, perhaps? Healing can certainly keep the symptoms under control... With an Intervention, it could certainly work! Other rulings might be that it requires a lot of extra Essence and/or a very high check digit... >2. How could you _appear_ to cure someone without doing so? In the >adventure I'm working on, demons create a false cure for cancer, and I >want to work out just how they're doing it. Song of Healing that only >temporarily heals? An illusuon using Balseraph resonance or other >methods? Any ideas are appreciated. In the Relics book (Librum Reliquarium), in playtest on io.com, there are Pictures of Health -- a favorite of Saminga. Think of the picture of Dorian Gray (?), where the patient feels fine, looks fine to all external appearances, and drops dead as the disease progresses invisibly. > And a point for discussion: How do some Superiors negate the >Symphony? There are a number of Servitors (Calabim of Belial, servitors >of Jordi etc) who get to ignore disturbance in some situations. I don't >care about the mechanics, but this seems to contravene the basic rules >for disturbance, and I wonder how the Superiors get around it. It's ineffable.... *ahem* Their Words interact with the Symphony in such a way that they can make some things *natural*, as natural as humans. Their Word just plain resonates strongly that way. Or else their Word plus the Balseraph resonance lets them actually *lie* to the Symphony... > And what happens to that muffled noise, anyway? Does the Superior >absorb it? Does it get 'heard' somewhere else? It's not really muffled -- it's just added silently to the Symphony as a whole, as a "natural" thing. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:34:57 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> INC adventure seeds At 5:44 PM +0200 11/14/98, Ijon Tichy wrote: >Incidentally, whoever maintains the INC/INC2 sites, could you send me an >e-mail with instructions for submitting the seed once its ready (or do you >just grab it off the list?) INC here... I try to grab them off the list, but sometimes I get behind (like lately *sigh*). If you wanted to send me a copy that was already HTML-marked, that might speed it up, but no promises... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:44:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Time Travel on the list! X-Sender: ijon@shani.net Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:44:35 +0200 ^^^^ To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com From: Ijon Tichy Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com So, Ijon, what's it like in the future? O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:43:52 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! Now *there's* a good reward for servitors of Yves. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:52:37 -0600 From: Bob the Dancing Monkey Subject: Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! At 02:44 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >X-Sender: ijon@shani.net >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:44:35 +0200 > ^^^^ >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >From: Ijon Tichy >Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > > >So, Ijon, what's it like in the future? O;> > > Still waiting on Book three of the Armageddon Cycle, I'd guess. And Triplanetary _still_ hasn't come out... - -Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:58:57 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! >> Bob: "Sir, it seems you have a gun in your bag." >> Elohim: "I prefer to think of it as more of a metallic device created with the >> express purpose of utilizing the kinetic force of an explosive shockwave to >> send a small alloy slug out of a length of small piping at high velocity to >> cause mild to great concussive damage against the target." >> Bob: "Uh... well, that's alright then!" > "But, hey! You can't get on board with that screwdriver, pal!" >(Honest. They get very edgy about screwdrivers. Presumably on the >grounds that you might threaten to dismantle the plane in mid-flight. >*shrug* In our experience, anyway. Small knives are generally O.K.; >screwdrivers, no.) They're very edge about juggling clubs too.... At least in Canada. Coming back from an International Juggling Convention in Montreal, I thought I was going to get arrested for carrying my "deadly" plastic clubs.... :) And you don't even want to try to explain that fact that juggling torches CAN'T burn without fuel to ANY in airport security... Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** "Evil spelled backwards is live." ** ** -- Anonymous Graffiti** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:24:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! At 1:52 PM -0600 11/14/97, Bob the Dancing Monkey wrote: >At 02:44 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >>X-Sender: ijon@shani.net >>Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:44:35 +0200 >> ^^^^ >>To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >>From: Ijon Tichy >>Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >>Precedence: bulk >>Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >> >> >>So, Ijon, what's it like in the future? O;> >> >> >Still waiting on Book three of the Cycle, I'd guess. Hmmm.... I'll have to be careful to make sure everything comes out on time. O:> >And Triplanetary _still_ hasn't come out... Oh, of course not, it's only 1998, after all! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:29:01 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! At 1:58 PM -0500 11/14/97, Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: >>(Honest. They get very edgy about screwdrivers. Presumably on the >>grounds that you might threaten to dismantle the plane in mid-flight. >>*shrug* In our experience, anyway. Small knives are generally O.K.; >>screwdrivers, no.) > >They're very edge about juggling clubs too.... At least in Canada. Coming >back from an International Juggling Convention in Montreal, I thought I was >going to get arrested for carrying my "deadly" plastic clubs.... :) > >And you don't even want to try to explain that fact that juggling torches >CAN'T burn without fuel to ANY in airport security... And then there my trick handcuffs that I'd quite forgotten were in there (*don't* ask... You don't want to know what's in my purse, and you don't want to know why; just read Barbara Hambly's _The Silent Tower_ & _The Silicon Mage_...). You know, they have a little, barely-concealed lever that springs them open again? Nope. Turned my purse inside out (thank goodness the arrowhead had come unscrewed from the third of an arrow that was in the bottom) practically, and pulled those out. (Wish she'd just *told* me what they wanted! *I* knew where they were.) Box'ed 'em up and sent them in the cargo compartment. *Weird.* What was I going to do, handcuff myself to my seat? I want a Kyrio of Jean... (Though I had my little brass shoulder dragon (Honeck Sculpture, at Aresia and Gencon and probably elsewhere) and took it along and passed it through before going through the metal detector -- the guard-lady there *liked* it muchly, put it on her own shoulder, grinned. So that was fun. It's good to know that you can carry a brass dragon on a plane.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:06:22 +0800 From: Lugaid MacRobert Subject: IN> Non-Collectible Card Games of course, one of the best (and very appropriate to the subject at hand) is Chaosium's _Credo_, a non-collectible card game about the origins of modern Christian theology at the Nicene Council... if you don't already have it, get it! Lugaid MacRobert I am a spirit of skillful gift Net-Tamer V 1.10.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:20:41 -0600 (CST) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Non-Collectible Card Games > of course, one of the best (and very appropriate to the subject at hand) > is Chaosium's _Credo_, a non-collectible card game about the origins of > modern Christian theology at the Nicene Council... if you don't already > have it, get it! Except, of course, that it's OOP and impossible to find. > Lugaid MacRobert Oops da Ogre, believe me, I've looked mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 03:00:55 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Time Travel on the list! At 02:44 PM 11/14/97 -0500, Archangel Beth wrote: >X-Sender: ijon@shani.net >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:44:35 +0200 > ^^^^ >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >From: Ijon Tichy > >So, Ijon, what's it like in the future? O;> Oh, that... Yes, well, I may haven neglected to mention it, but I _am_ a time traveler after all (ask any S. Lem fan), and a year's difference from humanity at large is a trifle I shan't bother with. Maybe I will. At some point. - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:27:38 -0800 From: The Saint of Killers Subject: IN> New Princess. No response to the last one. If I'm not actually posting this to the right place, someone please send me some obscene vulgarity and I'll put them somewhere else. Thanks. PURAH, DEMON PRINCESS OF SORROW The world is pain, inflicted on those who live there. Purah, Djinn Princess of Sorrow, has been nobility of Hell since the Fall. She has had brief periods of power, and times when she could have seized great power, but she never does. Like Belial and Saminga, she has become confused about where her Word ends and she begins. Her inability to identify herself apart from her Word has prevented her from adequately playing a part in Hell's politics. She is Sorrow, and her days are spent in the corner of a small, dark room in her Keep of Pain in the City of Dis, staring at the wall and crying. In Heaven, it was her duty to ease the pained. Sorrow was meant to pass, leading to a better understanding of pain. Man could go through the time of hardship and come out a better person. In Hell her Word is twisted inside out. Her servitors aid Sorrow, bringing minor pangs and slight remorse to wonderful fruitation as feelings of wracking guilt and life shattering angst. In recent years, a new phenomenon has occured that has given Purah more power than she cares for, or knows what to do with. Selfish Sorrow. Feeling sorry for yourself just to feel sorry for yourself. Dozens of previously Wordless demons suddenly have new purpose in life with such titles as Demon of Attempted Teen Suicide, Demon of Depressing Poetry and Demon of People Who Wear Black All The Time. The Princess herself rarely talks to her followers, having retreated to the dark corners of her Keep for silent brooding. In a rare turn, her servitors, most of them, do truly like her. Few of them suffer from her blurring of identity and Word, but they can feel her pain through their service to the Word. There are those, however, in her ranks who have their eye on her Word. In the same vein, Asmodeus watches her. He fears that her depression may eventually lead to an attempt at redeeming. He will not allow this to happen. When she must appear, Purah will take the form of a slender, pale girl. In times past, her vessels were often those of lepers or nuns, but a certain comic book writer has completely shifted her image of how she should look. The more sympathetic of her servitors are amazingly embarassed by this, but keep it to themselves. DISSONANCE It is dissonant for a servitor of Purah to knowingly cause sorrow. It is their duty to nurture sorrow to selfish lengths, but they cannot participate in an act that would create sorrow itself. This isn't to say that a servitor of Purah couldn't work out a deal with a servitor of Saminga to create a little sorrow, but the servitor of Purah could not, herself, participate in the act. BAND ATTUNEMENTS Belseraph A Belseraph can use his resonance to force a target to see the hopelessness of any situation. Calabite Calabites of Sorrow can use their resonance to destroy hope. Remarkable rolls can lead a target to fall to his knees and weep. This attunement can be used on angels and demons, as well as humans. Djinn Djinn can sense the amount of sorrow in anyone they are attuned to, and know the cause and duration of the sorrow. Djinn often use this attunement to increase the amount of pain in a human until they eventually kill themselves. Habbalah Habbalah who serve Purah cannot use their resonance to cause sorrow, but gain +2 to the check digit of any attempt to harden the hearts of those who would usually care for the sorrowful person. Like emptiness, this is a dangerous emotion to face in backlash. A Habbalah who's heart is hardened will suffer dissonance. Lilim Lilim servitors of Purah may use their resonance to lessen the sorrow or guilt in exchange for a favor. No matter the size of the person's guilt, the favor can be as great or small as the Lilim decides. The difference between the actual value of the Lilim's favor and the sorrow eased will be made up exponentially some time after the favor is granted. The value of the guilt and the favor are up to the GM, not the check digit. The digit is used in determining the degree of guilt or sorrow felt later. (This is confusing, so I offer an example. Bob the human is cheating on his wife. He feels great guilt over this. The Lilim offers to ease the guilt, and in exchange the human will do for her a favor. The GM decides that the guilt is worth a level 3 favor, so the Lilim demands only a level 1 favor. The check digit on the roll was a 5. Up to five weeks after the man fulfills his obligation to the Lilim, his guilt will catch up to him with dazzling and painful results. There is no system for guilt and sorrow, it is up to the GM. Using the proper rites, essence may be drawn from the disasterous results of this attunement.) Shedim Shedim are somewhat free of the dissonance caused by Purah. While possessing a host, they cannot cause sorrow in -another- person, but they can force their host to do things that the host will feel sorry for later. Add celestial forces toward such a roll. Impudites Impudites can, at any point in a conversation with a target, make a comment that will make the target remember a forgotten or buried sorrow. The impudite won't always be certain just what it is they said that caused the suffering, and they won't know exactly what it is they're about to say when they use the attunement, but it will always seem unintentional and natural. Impudites often seem like they're trying to be helpful when in fact they are destroying the resolve of their target. This attunement works on angels and demons as well as humans. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS False Hope This attunement gives the demon the ability to grant the mundane in question some false hope that will completely and totally fall apart. The victim will completely believe whatever false hope the demon puts into their head, as long as it has something to do with their situation. This can be anything from 'your husband is just fine, go tell your kids that he will be home in an hour' to 'I am an angel of Jesus, and I will protect you from harm'. DISTINCTIONS Knight of Pain The Knight of Pain can sense the amount of sorrow that has been felt in an area. This allows them to automatically detect tethers dedicated to sorrow, death and anything else that is applicable. Captain of Despair The Captain of Despair can make a subject feel extreme sorrow for as many turns as the Captain has Celestial forces. This sorrow does not cause dissonance, as it is not true sorrow, but is an emotion forced on the subject. The extreme feelings of sadness will completely disable the target for the full duration of the power. While the distinction cannot be used on angels, it can be used on Soldiers of God. Most people will not, when the sadness passes, realize what has come over them. Baron of Anguish As the last vestages of hope drain away from a mortal, the Baron of Anguish may take what Essence is left in them before they succumb to sorrow. Applicable use of this power is completely up to the GM. While there is no roll to see how much Essence can be stolen (all Essence is taken, with the assumption that the average mundane has 1d6-4 Essence at any one time) the use of this power does cause very minor ripples in the Symphony. It sings out as if one Essence had been spent. RELATIONS Allied: No one. Associated: Saminga, Beleth, Valefor. Hostile: No one. Enemy: Asmodeus. BASIC RITES * Help someone revel in their selfish sorrow. * Make someone cry. CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 1. INVOCATION MODIFIERS +1 A copy of Vampire: the Masquerade. +2 A Cure album. +3 A hospital for the clinically depressed. +4 Ten people trying to escape their sorrows. +5 A Goth club. +6 A chunk of Kurt Cobain's brain. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:55:44 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Furfur, Demon Prince of Hardcore The riots in Philadelphia swung into their fourth straight week. Nobody knew exactly when the Bloods got their hands on the Abrams battle tanks, but it didn't take long for the Crips, the Brotherhood, the KKK, the local Mafia, and everyone else with a large garage and trustworthy mechanics to either scavenge parts from the abandoned US Army tanks or create their own. The police were dead or gone. The National Guard had retreated. The Army held a few pockets of the city near the Susquehanna, but not much else. The fire department continued its battle against the fires finally burning themselves out in Germantown. Downtown's streets were paved with broken glass and dead bodies. A wild-haired young man, apparently in his twenties, wearing a ragged T-shirt and jeans, grinned at the small fires burning here and there in the shelled-out heart of the city. He snugged his female-company-of-the-moment to his side and chuckled, "Isn't it wild, gal? The Revolution's here, break out the body bags!" "You go, boss," the girl purred, cuddling closer to him. The man grinned, then paused as his eyes flashed across Independence Hall. The ancient brick structure was still untouched, the mobs having bypassed it somehow. "Waaaaait a minute," he chuckled, "there's something I've always wanted to do." With a swagger beyond most humans' ability to duplicate, he sauntered over across the pitted grass lawn of the hall, right up to the masonry. The zipper of his jeans made a loud, arrogant RRRRRRRIP as he opened his fly. Celestials in human vessels don't -need- to urinate, but they can do so if desired. Furfur zipped up his pants, grinning wickedly. "All right, baby," he grinned, "let's go find some mortars! YEAH!! WOO HOO!!!" * * * * * * * * The world is hardcore, man. Furfur has never held so much power before in his existence, and he loves every moment of it. The word of Hardcore is running wild all over the planet. Gangs of armored thugs with automatic weapons run around looting, raping, and fighting other gangs of armored thugs with automatic weapons. Dozens of major cities which survived Armageddeon are no-man's-lands, thanks to rioting caused by various angry factions in the woodwork. Furfur played a major role both in triggering Armageddeon and in the actual battles, doing for several powerful angels and giving others, such as Christopher, experiences they pray to forget. His Servitors served with uncommon valor and cruelty, a berzerker wave within the tide of Hell's demons. In the aftermath of the battle, he became second-in-command of Hell's forces, and more importantly, the new commander of the Hellforce and most of Hell's other human Soldiers in the War. Of course, Furfur hasn't changed his own personal goals. Tear everything down, get rid of the old fogeys, smash the state, and rub everybody's nose in it. He openly disparages Saminga, not caring what the current ruler of Hell might hear: "Hey, do you really think he cares what I say? Man, if it doesn't fit into his paranoid little world he can't hear it, dig?" He's one of the more active players in the hunt for the Granite Throne, but his bluntness, his blatant honesty, and his total unwillingness to play the Game by the old rules has earned him few allies... (stats changed only as different from 'Night Music') SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS SMASH - Bearers of this Attunement gain a Calabite's basic Band Resonance. (Obviously this Attunement is not given to Calabim of Hardcore.) RELATIONS ALLIED: None ASSOCIATED: Kronos HOSTILE: All the rest ENEMY: None BASIC RITES add: * Provide a weapon of major destruction to rioters CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 3 +1 A brick from a smashed or burned-out building +2 Smashing a pane-glass window +3 $500 or more of looted goods, or a corpse killed in a riot +4 Lynch mob of more than 10 people +5 Bandit army of more than 100 people (they -do- exist) +6 Full blown riot of over 50,000 people --- Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:35:44 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Progress Report Been kinda quiet, Dark Victory-wise, of late. I've had my reasons. (1) Revived my web auction page (the URL's in my .sig, for those into anime stuff; been busy trying to get ahold of gaming materials as well- who wants a set of Cyberpunk 1st Edition?); keeping the bids straight and processing mail on it keeps me busy (2) I'm running the Dark Victory PBEM game (archives are being posted roughly on a one-week delay at http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/); eight players is a titch on the unwieldy side, but things are progressing... (3) Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Finding Out Just When My New Job Will Start- being tempstaff on a newly opening store bites. Still, my mind is turning on Dark Victory backgrounding- with that PBEM going, it kind of has to for self-preservation. I just posted Furfur's DV writeup to the list, which leaves Malphas, Haagenti, and Vapula to do. (Someone else will have to do Alaemon, Demon Prince of Secrets- he's still around in DV, but since I don't have 'Feast of Blades' I don't have the stats to work from. My mind has also been churning idly on the 'Places in DV' situation- with things so quiet, I was wondering if Casca had a chance to start the mammoth job of untangling all the posts and what-all on that subject. My attention has been drawn particularly to the US, since it's where the DV PBEM will be going next. Pretty soon I'm going to be defining the boundaries of Lake New Madrid, maybe working out the details of Atlanta's state of existence... but with so much toss-off and half-remembered notes tied up in previous posts, an organized Places set would be helpful. Finally, my mind has been turning to the first batch of New Superiors, which start appearing about six months post-Armageddeon. * the Elohite Archangel of Justice * the Balseraph Duke of Subjugation, serving Kronos * the Kyrotiate Archangel of Havens * the Impudite Duke of Famine, serving Saminga The first two are almost firm in my mind, the others are kicking around a bit more in my subconscious, waiting for me to finish up the writeups on the Old Guard. Hope that helps, for those watching and waiting patiently... Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Do not taunt Happy Fun Belial. http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | * * * c/o White Lightning Productions | "I love the sweet smell of http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | humiliation in the morning!" Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Kobal reaffirms himself http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:43:01 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> The honorable Rulius Advocatus, Esq. >>>And if the Gaming Police were rounding up offenders, they would lose me as help on the web page since I happily ignore canon in my personal campaign when it suits my purposes.<<< Heh. I help *write* canon, and I still happily ignore it in my personal campaigns when it suits my purposes. Canon, like rules, is there to provide a consistent _baseline_ for every In Nomine player and GM. No one expects that every In Nomine player and GM will stick to that baseline religiously. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:42:57 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Prince of Wrath Very interesting idea! And well written. I have one quibble, though: >>> Servitors of Fezek gain dissonance when they allow themselves to become angry enough to act on the anger alone. Fezek demands that his demons think about their actions. An action made in anger helps no one but Fezek himself, though having a discordant demon walking around doesn't help anyone but the angels. Dissonance gained by letting ones passions lead to violence can be removed if the demon can get an angel to do the same.<<< This is somewhat inconsistent with the dissonance restrictions of all other Superiors. Servitors are supposed to *encourage* their Words, live them even, not suppress them! Even Servitors of Lust are allowed to Lust after people....they just can't cross the line into Love. It makes sense that Fezek would not want his own Servitors losing their cool, but may I suggest two alternative dissonance conditions? (a) They must provoke someone else to wrath once a day, or (b) It is dissonant for them to forgive a slight -- rather, they MUST hold onto and nurture all enmities, abandoning feuds only if the other party offers an unconditional apology/surrender (i.e. letting the demon "win"). This doesn't mean they have to fly into a rage -- they can let their wrath simmer, as they coldly plot vengeance. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:08:03 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> New Prince. (Night Music SPOILERS) An interesting idea, well-written and well thought-out. There's just one problem: it's already been done. Furfur, Demon Prince of Hardcore, whose word encompasses such things as riots and things done in the heat of the moment. I hate to be a spoilsport, but you -did- ask..... For what it's worth, I like it. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:11:32 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Progress Report On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > My mind has also been churning idly on the 'Places in DV' situation- with > things so quiet, I was wondering if Casca had a chance to start the mammoth > job of untangling all the posts and what-all on that subject. I had been waiting for the responses to stop flying back and forth. Now that I'm certain they have, I'll start to work on it next week. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:36:02 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Anachronistic Words > >> You can only get a Word if you ask for it. No one is > >>'drafted' for the position. So 'avoidance' is a simple matter > >>of not asking! ;) > >Wait, can't Lucifer asign different Words to Demons pentioning him for a > >certain one? > Yes, but you have to ask for a Word before you get one- even if that Word > isn't the one you wanted. Um...are you seriously suggesting that Lucifer actually CAN'T, if he wants to, slap a Word on a Demon just because said Demon hasn't said, "Please"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:47:11 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Anachronistic Words > At 11:29 AM -0700 11/12/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: > >> Words can be changed, yes, but generally nobody *does* -- the Word > >> becomes so much a part of one, that few celestials could conceive > > What about `promotion'? I mean, if someone hopes to be the Angel > > I tend to see it as kind of in between...people somewhat OFTEN > >move to related words. (The Angel of Gentle Rains taking over the > Read the FAQ for that one -- you can *CERTAINLY* do it that way, > but the canon state is that once you have a Word, it's a *part* of > you, and you can no more seriously want to change it than you would > want to spay/neuter yourself without anesthetic. Ah, canon. Right. I've heard rumors. I don't know...it doesn't feel right to me. It's not fitting the CULTURE in In Nomine. The implausibility of Lucifer being incapable of forcing a Word on someone who just hasn't ASKED I won't even go into...it doesn't, as far as I can see, even fit the culture in Heaven. An Angel who goes around specifically avoiding Wording because he wants a bigger one seems likely to be quickly noted as either evading responsibility (if they don't realize the motive) or overly ambitious (if they do)... particularly those serving people like Lawrence, Jean, and Dominic. Which means Archangels like that are going to end up with a bunch of piddling little Words they started people out on, and never any chance for building up. (Presumably why Lawrence is still stuck with "The Sword," I suppose...when he was a little 10-Forcer, he said, "Hey, I like this thing, can I be Word Bound to it?" And Uriel, in a rare moment of humor, thought, "Sure, I'll give this little tyke the Word of his own silly little sword..." And presto, Lawrence was stuck with it for all eternity, his entire psyche warped around the idea that THIS SWORD is the core of all meaning and purpose. Okay, actually, it explains a -LOT- about Lawrence, but apart from him, personally, I'm still not liking the way this works out.) I'm PARTICULARLY not liking it from a player's perspective. If my character wants a BIG word, it's effectively unattainable in game play, because first I have to spend years of real-time proving that I'm good enough for something like that...so if I want a Word, I have to go for something minor, and then I'm just STUCK with that, forever and ever, and my character, perforce, has to be absolutely fanatically happy about this? Neh. Send your Malakim in Black. They'll have to get past my cats. (AND my lint! ) > symphonic conflict... is unknown. Who wants to risk it? with an evil grin> Well, given the tendancy of Remnants to drop off the face of the Symphony...it makes reassigning Words a bit tricksy anyway. ("Um, we're PRETTY sure he was soul killed, yes. We haven't heard from him lately, anyway, to be sure, and this Word really does need some looking out for, so, uh, what say we give it to you, and if you start going loopy, well...gosh. All in the name of the War, eh?") ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #472 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.