From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Nov 17 13:06:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19245 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:06:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA24085 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:52:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:52:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199711171852.MAA24085@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #475 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, November 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 475 In this digest: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #474 Re: IN> Superior's Hearts Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! IN> Re: Myrddin Re: IN> Nessie Re: IN> New Prince. Sort of. Re: IN> [FLUFF] First Session... success! Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) IN> Seed: Truth is Stranger than Fiction... Re: IN> [DV] Progress Report IN> Archangel relations Re: IN> New Prince. (Night Music SPOILERS) Re: IN> Superior's Hearts Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) Re: IN> Archangel relations Re: IN> Wording Re: IN> Superior's Hearts Re: IN> Archangel relations Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! Re: IN> Superior's Hearts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:57:16 +0200 From: Ijon Tichy Subject: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts At 10:01 AM 11/16/97 -0500, Casca wrote: [Who has the Hearts?] >> And where does this leave Demon Princes? >Seriously, DP hearts would be kept by Lucifer. That way they'd be >reasonably sure that another Prince wouldn't get ahold of them, and >Lucifer would have a way of insuring their loyalty. Oh, I don't know about that. The main book rather clearly hints otherwise. Particularly in describing Malphas, it is mentioned that Lucifer takes a very benign view of Malphas' Word, for it weakens the demon princes and ensures no usurper (wild paraphrasing!). This certainly implies he does not have more, uh, material, so to speak, ways of controlling them, e.g. Hearts. Moose? - -- Ijon Tichy Sailing the 'net in the only e-mail: ijon@forum2.org Space Barrel known to man. Homepage: http://www.forum2.org/ijon MOO: VotSB, telnet://forum2.org:7777 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:05:21 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #474 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:14:14 -0500 From: "bruce dykes" Subject: IN> [BUFFY] the Slayer Project: The Divine Players At 5:40 AM -0600 11/17/97, in_nomine-digest wrote: >Song of Imbuement: >Corporeal, Ethereal, Celestial >The Song of Imbuement allows the Celestial to impart one Force of the >appropriate type to the mortal recipient. >Cost: 3 essence >Disturbance: The total number of the mortal's and celestial's forces of the >appropriate type. >just called this up off the cuff. It's probably way underpowered.> On the contrary, this seems way too powerful. For three points of Essence I can bump the forces of a mortal up one? Coolness. Buy some puppies. Train them to be loyal attack dogs. Go to a nice, secluded spot, and bump them up to 11 Forces. Return to civilization, and maim at will. Hell, it's a Corporeal song, as well. Imagine a rogue Soldier with this Song bumping up his own Corporeal Forces for the low, low cost of 3 points of Essence. "Did that guy just flip a tank?" I'd put this song much higher in Essence cost, on the order of 15-20, or require the Singer to donate one of his Forces of the appropriate type to the recipient. Or, at least, make it only possible for a mortal to be the recipient of the Song of Imbuement once. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Legion, Party of six thousand. Smoking or Non? ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:32:18 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts On Nov 16, 11:11am, PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts > So, IS there a canon answer to whether or not Superiors have hearts? > I've found no answers in IN basic or in Feast of Blades, the only two IN > publications to which I have access. There's no canon as to whether a Superior has hearts. It seems to me that they, unlike the run-of-the-mill angel/demon, don't _need_ hearts. It's obvious that many celestial beings don't have them, so it isn't essential to their existence. AA/DPs don't have to worry about being killed like servitors do. I'd say they don't have them. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:38:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) Benjamin Colley wrote: > Lunch Money? > Isn't that with kick boxing Catholic school girls? No really, > I think that is what it is. I have read the advertizing on "Lunch Money." It is a fast and simple non-collectible card game, put out by Atlas Games, and it simulates a school-yard fight. It could be among Catholic school girls as well as any other group of kids, I suppose, if they are sufficiently rough -- one of the cards is for a knife strike, and bears a caption something like "This may sting a little." The subtitle is "It's a lot like a real fight -- only without all that slippery blood." See http://members.aol.com/atlasgames/lunch_money.html "Pyramid Picks" gave it a very favorable review. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:40:30 +0000 From: Simon Chidgey Subject: Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! Casca wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki wrote: > > > I like it. One question, tho (similiar to one I had when reading _Feast of > > Blades_): How did the Demons get the weapons on board the plane? It's > > difficult to do on the mundane level, and using supernatural abilities > > would cause a Disturbance... > > I'm currently running FoB in my IN/WW campaign, and I noticed this as > well. However, since the dagger of Bithynia is all about secrets, I > figured that it masked the presence of the gun and itself within the bag. I always wondered why he doesn't use the song of healing to heal his broken arm. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:08:32 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! @ I had an intersting time at the airport the other day. I was at the General Mitchel airport in Milwaukee, when they foud some bullets in a bag that was sitting by one of the gates. So they had EVERYONE in that area go back out through the metal detecters, then let us go back in one by one to check us. The fun part was I was the only person NOT to beep on the way out...and I was carrying enough knives to outfit a small squad. :-P Shadowcat All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:09:49 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> Re: Myrddin I loved his seraph attunement but I'm not so sure about the general idea. Miracles can be just as impressive when they are small and subtle and I didn't really see that reflected, besides which ALL celestials are basically miracle-workers -- the way I see it, for him to spread his word he needs to encourage mortals to generate miracles.... My suggestion? Maybe he could be reworked as an Angel of Wonders. That could include natural wonders like rainbows and waterfalls, as well as manmade wonders (such as the 7 wonders of the ancient world) or overt miracles; anything that people might see that would cause them to gasp in astonishment and (maybe subcoonsciously) praise the God that allows such things to exist. jo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:24:18 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Nessie Very cute, though I was expecting something about the Loch Ness monster. Hart, Joanna wrote: > There are two caveats to this: > a) The event must be hugely improbable (odds of at /least/ a million > to one against) (ie. no more playing the roulette wheels, winning at > roulette just isn't improbable enough) But surely she can play at the roulette wheels freelance, just as she did before? She just can't use her special new attunement for it. You probably want to put an upper bound on that power, too, or she can use it to, say, teleport Notre Dame de Paris (the international Heavenly tether) into the Atlantic by quantum tunneling, with just seven essence. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:27:53 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> New Prince. Sort of. The Saint of Killers wrote: > Only folktales and stories remain, references in Isiah and Talmudic > legends. As every angel and demon knows, those fairy > tales are always incorrect, more bedtime stories than encyclopedias of > celestial lore. Names are often mistaken, duties are almost always > mixed up and the mythical events that the stories speak of rarely > actually happen. I'll say. As I recall, Rahab is usually described as female, the mate of Leviathan. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:25:31 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] First Session... success! [Thomas Davidson] >Hmmm.... I guess this just goes to show you that you *really* should pay >attention when more experienced people give you advice... :) > >Well, I took the Bright/Dark Dream, and extrapolated a little bit. I >rewound a little to before Nicole put a bullet into Marcus, and figured >that other Princes would be looking for the Sanguine Painting. I made some >alterations to Hamet, Eileth, and a couple of others (from "The Feast of >Blades"), and re-set it in New York. > >They used a Celestial Song of Charms, and a Song of Thunder on Hamet and >his gang, and that apparently was enough to convince Hamet that he was >outnumbered, so he jetted. Don't worry; he'll be back... :) > >The funny part is, I didn't plan *any* of this in advance. It just kinda >worked out that way. Apparently, that time at Eli's Tether did some >good... :) > >And here I was afraid that I wouldn't come up with any adventure ideas. :) Glad to hear that it worked out well for you... :) Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon charybdis@krilion.cnchost.com http://www.krilion.cnchost.com ** "Evil spelled backwards is live." ** ** -- Anonymous Graffiti** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:11:22 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) On Nov 17, 9:38am, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Subject: Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) > Benjamin Colley wrote: > > > Lunch Money? > > Isn't that with kick boxing Catholic school girls? No really, > > I think that is what it is. > > I have read the advertizing on "Lunch Money." It is a fast and > simple non-collectible card game, put out by Atlas Games, and it > simulates a school-yard fight. It could be among Catholic school > girls as well as any other group of kids, I suppose, if they are > sufficiently rough -- one of the cards is for a knife strike, > and bears a caption something like "This may sting a little." > The subtitle is "It's a lot like a real fight -- only without all that > slippery blood." It's loads of fun, but I get bizarre images of Gabriel in pigtails kicking the snot out of Belial when I think about it when I'm in In Nomine mode. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:32:23 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) John Karakash wrote: > It's loads of fun, but I get bizarre images of Gabriel > in pigtails kicking the snot out of Belial when I think about > it when I'm in In Nomine mode. Benjamin Colley's earlier reference to kick boxking Catholic school girls made me think of "The Bells of St. Trinian's," though the girls there are presumbably Church of England, more or less (mostly less). Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:35:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Seed: Truth is Stranger than Fiction... (Or maybe "than friction"?) aka Research Project ================ [This all started with Maya's notions about Andre and the authoring of smut. It got out of hand.] Deborah, Free Lilim, has a little problem... She's one of the suppliers of what's know around Shal-Mari as "Angel Porn." She's working on a little story involving one of the Virtues (Malakim Porn is a popular niche market, though usually it involves what's known in the demonic smut industry as a "plucking scene") and her friend (an Impudite Knight of Lust) says that their wings just don't bend that way. Deborah has a certain pride in her work, and so she wants to get the (naked) truth about the celestial anatomy of Malakim. Her own vessel is hardly combat-worthy (she's rather low in Corporeal Forces), so she's hiring a bunch of demons (many of whom owe her -- she's actually quite talented at writing her smut, and it's very popular) to catch her one and bring him to her apartment in the Guildhall at Shal-Mari. Secretly, so that her research subject won't be stolen away by some Prince or other before she's finished the book. They get a relic bag which, if they can stuff someone into it, will drag him along when they return to their Hearts, or if they go down a Tether. Enter Emmanuel, Malakite of Creation in (loose) service to Destiny. There's one of Lilith's rare Tethers in his area, and he's been making a nuisance of himself with the local demons -- they've been calling for reinforcements to deal with him. He's probably the best target for a secret raid... Demonic PCs: These are, of course, the group Deborah has contacted to kidnap her a Malakite. Or bribe him down, or whatever. She'd even be willing to let him go after she's finished this novel and done her research. (If there happens to be a Malakite NPC around that the PCs are already fond of -- or fond of hating -- he can substitute for "Mannie".) Angelic PCs: Demonic activity in this area has been getting a little more obnoxious -- some of it before Emmanuel showed up, and a lot of it afterwards, as they try to bounce the Malakite back to his Heart. But now there's a group who seem to be hanging around and trying *not* to kill him... (If one of the PCs *is* a Malakite, then he could be substituted for the target of all this attention.) Complications: Deborah: Interestingly enough, she isn't entirely evil. She's very sheltered, sort of, since she's spent most of her time in Shal-Mari writing smut. And she's naturally selfish. But if Emmanuel sees her -- and more importantly, sees some of her writing -- he's going to decide that he can suffer her to live if he can get her converted (preferably by Eli)... Besides, if he *does* get captured, it's a great way to introduce propaganda. ("No, no, no -- that dialog is *all* wrong! Here, *this* is what the angel should be saying in that scene..") Emmanuel: *Very* laid back, for a Malakite. He's quite fond of celebrating the joys of creation when he's not out celebrating the joys of bashing demons. If he hears that the demons are trying to get him for a good cause (research on writing), he might cooperate a little, depending on if the demons are at all honorable. (Not with Balseraphs, though, and he'll do his best to bash demons after they've let their guard down and the book's been written.) This will attract the attention of any Servitors of Judgment who might be around -- possibly with justification, if he over-reached his plots and let some of the demons get away without being bashed. Demonic PCs: There are any number of Princes who would like to get their hands on an angel, *especially* one of the Virtues. Trouble is, Deborah wants this one all to herself, unharmed ("I can't see if their wings bend like that if they're *broken*!"), and has Geased the group to make sure he arrives in that condition and that nobody finds out he's there (except the Guildhall door-keeper, who's already been bribed to secrecy). The Game will not be amused, if they find out. Likely, the PCs' Princes will also have a certain annoyance... Angelic PCs: Why are demons trying to capture a Malakite? What fiendish plan do they have for him? Is it all a diversion? And what are they going to do if the demons actually *succeed* in kidnapping Emmanuel? In the Pit - ---------- Deborah has a small, windowless, *cluttered* one-room apartment in the Guildhall of Free Lilim (see _Heaven & Hell_). All the walls are full of bookshelves, most of which contain her own works, or the works of notable others. (All of the other works have underlinings and notations -- "Good phrase," "Overused," "YUCK!", "Does this actually work?" and the like. Her own are also marked up, but less-so.) The floor bears manuscripts in various stages of editing -- only the current one is in any kind of accessible order. Inkpots and quill pens are all over the place (quills are often used as bookmarks), and a VapuTech computer with a busted screen props up a low table that's missing a leg. Cushions are the only other furniture... with one exception. The clutter has all been shoved out of the way of a large cage (rather like a bird-cage), which is just about the right size for a full grown Malakite. (It could fit up to three inmates, but that would be a tight squeeze.) This relic prevents anyone inside it from ascending to Earth, the Marches, or Heaven. You don't want to know how much it costs. Even to rent... The relic has no corporeal form (it can't be taken to Earth), and will only unlock to Deborah's hand. It does, however, have Soul Hits (equivalent to the body hits of a steel cage with inch-thick bars, say); do enough damage to enough of the bars, and the occupant could be released. This is where Mannie will be put within minutes of him showing up in the Guildhall, and what he will be endevoring to break out of constantly, even while he's critiquing Deborah's work. (She'd put a gag on him, but she's concerned he'd find some creative use for it as a crowbar to damage the cage.) If the PCs find some way to sneak into the Guildhall (there *are* Lilim who would help them, for a price...) to rescue Mannie, he'll go along readily enough -- except for one little thing. He wants Deborah to be dragged along too. And isn't it handy that there's this little relic-bag that will haul someone along with the holder... He won't want to leave without her. She's got talent. (He'll refrain from bashing demonic rescuers, if they're honorable ones. But they'd *better* be on the road to redemption!) Out of the Frying Pan - --------------------- Other potential amusements include the chance that the charming Virtue manages to coax Deborah into two things: letting him out of the cage, and going back to Earth with him. Mind you, this isn't going to please the Game or Judgment any. Demonic PCs may be questioned about their part in this little escapade; the Game will call Deborah Renegade the instant they find out. And Debora's agent (a Balseraph of the Media) is going to scream the moment she's late with the next book... (Or, if she hands over the manuscript, he's going to scream as the Game declares that it's subversive material and anyone involved with its production needs to be...talked to.) Angelic PCs may be quizzed about the whereabouts of a certain Malakite who was next-to-last seen being dragged down a demonic Tether, and *last* seen with a very attractive female headed for points unknown (or maybe just up to see a really spectacular sunset). Depending on the GM's whim, maybe Mannie has asked them to help brainwash--ah, *coax* Deborah onto the Stairway Upstairs, and the PCs *know* he's rooming with a Renegade Lilim author. Or they're drafted to help find him and his demonic "girlfriend." (What with all the demons down in Hell, Mannie may have picked up a note or two of dissonance -- he may be coping with it well enough, but it's yet another thing Judgment will have Longhorn steers about.) ======================================================================= Deborah, Free Lilim - ------------------- Corporeal 1 Strength 2, Agility 2 Ethereal 4 Intelligence 7, Precision 9 Celestial 4 Will 7, Perception 9 Vessel: Female human/1, Charisma +2 [7 points] Skills: Artistry (Erotica writing)/3, Computer Operation/1, Detect Lies/2, Emote/3, Fast-Talk/1, Knowledge (non-fiction writing)/3, Lying/1, Savoir-Faire/2, Seduction/3, Singing/1 [20 points] Songs: Charm (Celestial/1), Affinity (Celestial/1), Harmony (Ethereal/5), Healing (Corporeal/2). [9 points] Discord: 9 Geas/3, last seen with Lilith. Attunements: None. She has chosen to accept Lilith's Rites and Dissonance Conditions, though. Deborah is young for a demon -- only in her 30's -- and most of her existance has been spent in Shal-Mari. She got her start in the demonic porn industry when she was filing the many reams of what Andre always intends to be his definitive pornographic masterpiece -- which he never gets more than a paragraph or two into before he decides that doing is more fun than writing about it. Deborah decided that *she* could do this sort of thing, and finish it, too, so she did a little spying, changed names to protect herself, and crafted some generic demonic smut. It sold rather well, and she used the Essence to rent out a little apartment in the Guildhall. She's researched Djinn-porn, Balseraph Knot-Weaving, Habbalah (and whips and chains), and even gritted her teeth to find out what Shedim *really* like to do to each other. ("Truth is grosser than fiction!") Now, most Shal-Mari angelporn is of the non-consensual sort -- hence the common "plucking scenes" in such material -- but that gets old quick (except with the Calabim). Much more entertaining is the romantic stuff, where the usual happy ending is a new-Fallen living in selfish bliss... Or at least gets a vessel toasted in the end. But there's an almost underground market for angelporn romances. This is what she's trying to write now. And this is what she needs a research subject for. Deborah tends to read her writing out loud to check how it actually sounds. Usually, she's alone in her room, doing this, but she'll read snatches and ask for opinions from anyone who might be around. She'll even translate what she's reading from Helltongue to straight celestial, for any angels who might be willing to offer suggestions about sticky phrases. This will include Emmanuel, if he gets caught. Emmanuel, Malakite of Creation, in service to Destiny - ----------------------------------------------------- Corporeal 3 Strength 7, Agility 5 Ethereal 3 Intelligence 7, Precision 5 Celestial 3 Will 7, Perception 5 Vessel: Human male/2, Sex Appeal +1 [7 points] Skills: Acrobatics/1, Artistry (Sculpting)/4, Detect Lies/1, Dodge/3, Emote/1, Escape/2, Fast-Talk/1, Fighting/1, Knowledge (Fiction Writing)/2, Large Weapon (Club)/2, Move Silently/2, Running/1, Savoir-Faire/1, Seduction/2, Singing/1, Small Weapon (Knife)/1 [27 points] Songs: Form (Ethereal/1), Healing (Corporeal/1) [2 points] Vows: Never suffer an evil to live if it's his choice; never surrender in a fight or allow himself to be captured by the forces of Hell; encourage beauty in unlikely places; offer evil at least one chance to repent unless ordered otherwise. Attunements: Malakim of Creation "Mannie" is, first and foremost, a young Servitor of Creation. Secondly, he's a Malakite, and thirdly, he works for Yves. Yves cuts him a lot of slack -- he's got a *long* leash, and his orders usually boil down to, "Be cool, and make sure that Fate doesn't get a toe-hold where you're at. And don't kill anyone if that would seal their Fate." Mannie's happy with that. Mannie's not going to be too happy when he finds out that he's the target of some demons who want to kidnap a Malakite. He's going to be even less happy to discover that the orders came from some Free who's known as a famed smut writer -- *he's* heard of "plucking scenes"! (This disgust will last until he actually reads some of her stuff -- or hears it, in the case of capture -- and discovers that she's got an unexpected gift.) Michri-jeru, Balseraph of the Media; Deborah's agent - ---------------------------------------------------- Corporeal 3, Strength 4, Agility 4 Ethereal 2, Intelligence 4, Precision 4 Celestial 4, Will 9, Perception 7 Vessel: none Skills: Computer Operation/3, Emote/3, Fast-Talk/3, Knowledge (Contract Law)/4, Knowledge (the Shal-Mari pornography market)/3, Knowledge (Accounting)/6, Savoir-Faire/4, Seduction/2 [28 points] Songs: Charm (Ethereal/2, Celestial/2), Tongues (Corporeal/2, Celestial/2) [8 points] Attunements: Balseraph of the Media (Servant/2: A Hellsworn damned soul, a former porn director; Status 2 (skilled labor in Perdition), Class/2 (he's only about as useful as an Imp, in Hell).) Michri-jeru, a Hellborn Balseraph who's never been to Earth, is Deborah's agent. (She figured he was convincing enough to her, so maybe he'd convince other people.) He is, of course, skimming her profits shamelessly. He's all for her having a research subject -- if he finds out, since she didn't mention this to him -- but he'll want to branch out into film. And he'll want to start with the plucking scene. Deborah will resent being pushed around (though she's a little curious about how closely fictional pluckings mirror reality), and probably try to protect her prize. Mannie will want a piece of Balseraph to descale. Michri's servant-soul will hover around smarmily, trying to ingratiate himself with his master and Deborah. [Image of Michri facing off with Deborah, while Emmanuel reaches through the bars, just inches away from that tempting Balseraph tail... Additional image of all six of Michri's eyes bugging out as he gets cartoon-yanked through the cage-bars, with his scales being pulled the wrong way...] If Mannie can tempt Deborah into defecting, Michri-jeru will be the first person the Game questions. He might involve demonic PCs in an effort to get Deborah back and clear him of the charges of conspiring with a Renegade. George Smith, damned soul - ------------------------- Corporeal 0 Ethereal 2, Intelligence 3, Precision 1 Celestial 1, Will 2, Perception 2 Skills: Computer Operation/1, Detect Lies/2, Emote/1, Fast-Talk/2, Knowledge (pornography production)/6, Lying/2, Savoir-Faire/1, Seduction/1 [16 points] George Smith (probably not his real name) has managed to attach himself to what he hopes is an up-and-coming demon of the Media. It was either that, or be repossessed for debts owed to the various brothels in Shal-Mari. (He managed to scam a few imps too many...) He's pretty much just Michri-jeru's tagalong beast of burden, but he actually knows his subject better than his master. He also knows better than to flaunt this, and merely makes occasional suggestions, which Michri takes as his own genius. Michri-jeru told George that if they get powerful enough in Hell, they can go to Earth -- together, with George in a new vessel. George, desperate to escape Hell even that much, hasn't questioned this -- even if it was a Balseraph who told it to him. He'll do his best to help his master no matter what, even if he would like to get some action with that hot porno-Lilim... (Deborah is well aware he's got the hots for her, and hasn't bothered to satisfy that need -- but for the right favor...) His reaction to angels will be as hostile as any demon's, but he would happily try to fake them out, eager to help them...right into Michri-jeru's coils, or Nybbas' own clutches! If the Game shows up after Michri, George will bail out and do whatever he can to keep his Forces together. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:52:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [DV] Progress Report At 9:35 PM -0600 11/14/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >* the Elohite Archangel of Justice Well, *finally*.... They've been needing one of those since before Dommie went off the deep end. >* the Kyrotiate Archangel of Havens So, what *did* happen to Zadkiel, the Cherub Archangel of Protection? (_Heaven & Hell_.) O;> Of course, she's one of the sort who'd have been likely to have gone down fighting. But this looks like a former Servitor of hers. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:22:08 +0000 From: Sam Kington Subject: IN> Archangel relations Hi, Something that struck me today: the "Relations" section in each Archangel's write-up (Demon Princes as well) makes little sense. David is listed as Allied to Gabriel and Michael, Associated with Jean, Jordi and Laurence, and hostile to Marc. Gabriel is *neutral* to David, though, and Michael is just associated; Jean and Jordi are neutral, whereas Laurence is listed as allied; Marc is neutral as well. Of the Archangels unlisted (and therefore those David is neutral towards), Blandine and Novalis are hostile, Dominic, Eli are neutral, Janus is allied. So, out of the 11 Archangels, only two have the same attitude to David as he does to them. This seems to me a bit bizarre, especially concerning allied angels. It also makes summarising the angelic politics a right pain. Any suggestions? Sam - -- There are *my* opinions, dammit, and let no-one say otherwise. Home page: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/cgi/illuminati Many are cold, but few are frozen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:01:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New Prince. (Night Music SPOILERS) At 1:01 PM -0500 11/15/97, Casca wrote: >As we can quite clearly see, anger and violence is a major subset of the >Word of Hardcore. How is Wrath different enough from these to justify its >own Word? One is canon and you have to pay money for it, and the other will be going up on my INC pages eventually? O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:04:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts At 4:07 PM -0500 11/15/97, PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: >I was doing some thinking about celestials' Hearts and was wondering, >what's IN Canon on Superior's Hearts? Can Dominic grasp Eli's Heart and >find out where he is? Do Superiors even _have_ Hearts? Good question. I don't think there is canon... They're on such a quantum level, though, that it's entirely possible they *don't*, or that their Cathedrals *are* their Hearts... Obviously something that mere angels shouldn't know. [Hey, cool, I got the same idea as various others, like MaBarry!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:50:28 -0500 From: The Other Chris Subject: Re: Card Games ( was Re: IN> Wording ) Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Benjamin Colley's earlier reference to kick boxking Catholic > school girls made me think of "The Bells of St. Trinian's," > though the girls there are presumbably Church of England, more > or less (mostly less). > I'm a HUGE fan of the "St. Trinian's" movies. That place has to be a training ground for soldiers of Hell (y'know, there's an adventure seed in there somewhere...I'll get back to you on that). TOC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:33:27 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Archangel relations At 5:22 PM +0000 11/17/97, Sam Kington wrote: >Something that struck me today: the "Relations" section in each >Archangel's write-up (Demon Princes as well) makes little sense. David >is listed as Allied to Gabriel and Michael, Associated with Jean, Jordi >and Laurence, and hostile to Marc. Gabriel is *neutral* to David, >though, and Michael is just associated; Jean and Jordi are neutral, >whereas Laurence is listed as allied; Marc is neutral as well. Of the >Archangels unlisted (and therefore those David is neutral towards), >Blandine and Novalis are hostile, Dominic, Eli are neutral, Janus is >allied. So, out of the 11 Archangels, only two have the same attitude to >David as he does to them. > >This seems to me a bit bizarre, especially concerning allied angels. It >also makes summarising the angelic politics a right pain. > >Any suggestions? Politics are bizarre. The Politics stuff is basically how far out of their way a Superior's Servitors are expected to go, if they find that somebody else's Servitors need a hand. David obviously thinks that Gabriel's folks can use a hand here and there -- they've got a tough job, and they do it well, even if Gaby's a little ... odd, these days. Gabriel's not with-it enough to notice that his boys are playing nicely with her lot, so she hasn't given any special instructions. Individual Servitors are supposed to be generally friendly, though. David likes Mikey's lot -- tells his minions to help them out. Mikey reciprocates, but David's people like that ordeal stuff, so they don't *need* much help. Blandine hates all that icky violence ("coldly neutral," actually). David goes, "Marches? Eh. I never go there anyway. Whatever." Novalis hates the icky violence too. And David rolls his eyes and pats the little Cherub on the head and says, "I remember when you were just a reliever. Run along and play." Why does Janus like David? Maybe it's the "biker gang" connection... So yeah, it's hard. Summaries aren't easy. But it makes for interesting politics... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:24 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Wording At 11:29 AM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 13:03 -0500 11/12/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >> >>That's when you break out the Primal Order books.... > >A supplement about playing gods and having religion in a roleplaying game? > >Nah, it'd never work.;) > Heh. Primal Order was cool though. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:27:38 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts > >I was doing some thinking about celestials' Hearts and was wondering, > >what's IN Canon on Superior's Hearts? Can Dominic grasp Eli's Heart and > >find out where he is? Do Superiors even _have_ Hearts? > > Good question. I don't think there is canon... They're on such > a quantum level, though, that it's entirely possible they *don't*, > or that their Cathedrals *are* their Hearts... Obviously something > that mere angels shouldn't know. > > [Hey, cool, I got the same idea as various others, like MaBarry!] > That's all the coolness in the air currently. Sort of like the flu. While I like the Cathedrals as Hearts idea, I'm having a few problems with it. Angel Side: * The Cathedrals of Fallen/Dead Archangels still stand, although abandoned. This is explicitly stated in the main source book. Does that mean if say, (for example) Kronos once had a Cathedral in Heaven, he now has a "Heart" that is empty and abandoned from the Fall? And is it all cracked and black and nasty? (Oooh, I like this, actually.) * What about areas where multiple people share the same part of a realm? If I remember correctly, Janus, Michael and David all share the Groves as their main spot. Do they share chunks of it for their hearts? * Is it possible to stand in an ArchAngel's designated area, and summon up your archangel is they are loitering around on Earth? If so, why does everyone have such a pain locating Eli? Demon side: * What about demon princes who take over the realms of dead princes? Does Nybbas take more away from the dead Prince of Sloth then he should? What about the original properties of the Prince of Sloth? * Where do those Demon Prince hearts go? (I like the thought of a giant casino being Kobal's heart, or a giant bordello being Andre's heart, but after that it sort of devolves.) So those are my questions. I wait with baited breath. *breathe* - - Em, Demon of Playin that Old Time Music Backwards. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. - I Cornithains 13:1-3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:29:46 -0500 From: Jesse Rooney Subject: Re: IN> Archangel relations >This seems to me a bit bizarre, especially concerning allied angels. It >also makes summarising the angelic politics a right pain. > >Any suggestions? hmmm.... could Malphas have some part in this? - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> IN : Adventure : AIRPLANE!!! On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Simon Chidgey wrote: > > I'm currently running FoB in my IN/WW campaign, and I noticed this as > > well. However, since the dagger of Bithynia is all about secrets, I > > figured that it masked the presence of the gun and itself within the bag. > > I always wondered why he doesn't use the song of healing to heal his > broken arm. I just assumed he was out of Essence. Humans don't recover a point until noon; he probably blew all he had in his fit of maniacal murder. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! - -= Windows 95 =- A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:45:46 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Superior's Hearts At 4:07 PM -0500 11/15/97, PERRY M. LLOYD wrote: >I was doing some thinking about celestials' Hearts and was wondering, >what's IN Canon on Superior's Hearts? Can Dominic grasp Eli's Heart and >find out where he is? Do Superiors even _have_ Hearts? johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) > There's no canon as to whether a Superior has hearts. It seems >to me that they, unlike the run-of-the-mill angel/demon, don't >_need_ hearts. It's obvious that many celestial beings don't have >them, so it isn't essential to their existence. AA/DPs don't have >to worry about being killed like servitors do. > I'd say they don't have them. Elizabeth McCoy >Good question. I don't think there is canon... They're on such >a quantum level, though, that it's entirely possible they *don't*, >or that their Cathedrals *are* their Hearts... Obviously something >that mere angels shouldn't know. Okay, cool. (urk, now I've got the cool flu, too) What about celestials who have risen -to- the station of demon prince or archangel? Haagenti or Laurence for example. Perhaps upon attaining this status their heart shatters. The title of Prince or Archangel is much more than a title, it seems. It carries with it a great deal more power than mere political power... - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Here he comes again, head high and smiling shakin' down the world, playin' it cool. He smiles as though he never been hunted by the crowd, beaten by all the fools. -excerpt from "Here He Comes Again" by Rod McKuen ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #475 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.