From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Dec 5 17:53:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA31717 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:53:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA10874 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:42:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:42:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199712052342.RAA10874@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #499 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, December 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 499 In this digest: Re: IN> Combat, Strength, and Damage IN> Kyrio question IN> Request for List Superiors Re: IN> Kyrio question Re: IN> 12 Will Shedite / Cristmas Cheer. Re: IN> Request for List Superiors Re: Lilith (Re: IN> Angels and Souls (was Angelaki)) IN> Gabriel a Sadist? Re: IN> Kyrio question IN> Kyriotates in Celestial Form Re: Lilith (Re: IN> Angels and Souls (was Angelaki)) IN> Fluff Re: IN> Request for List Superiors Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Request for List Superiors Re: IN> Request for List Superiors IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Request for List Superiors Re: IN> Request for List Superiors Re: IN> Gabriel a Sadist? Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> An Awful Noise in the Name of the Lord (was Re: Achmetha) Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Fluff Re: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers Re: IN> Gabriel a Sadist? Re: IN> Kyriotates in Celestial Form IN> [DV] Disturbance in Occupied Heaven Re: IN> Fluff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:58:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Jessop Subject: Re: IN> Combat, Strength, and Damage On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Kevin Walsh wrote: > As a WOD player, and as a result of a half-attempt to do In Nomine-WOD > system conversion, I reckoned that 2 In Nomine Strength equalled 1 WOD > Strength (rounded up). WOD: 'Average' difficulty (6), 1 die: probability of success 1/2 IN: 'Average' difficulty (no mods), Strength 2, probability of success 1/36. WOD: 'Very Difficult' (10), 1 die: probability of success 1/10. IN: Strength 6, probability of success 15/36. Still less than 1/2. The systems don't really compare at all. Steve Jessop, Jean's Elohim of Mathematicians With Nowt Better To Do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:07:07 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> Kyrio question I can't remember if this is in the book, but what happens if a Kyrio tries to possess a host that is already being possessed by another Kyrio (or Shedite)? jo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:33:35 -0500 (EST) From: Raoul Duke Subject: IN> Request for List Superiors Much as I love the INCs, there are some goodies from the list that either aren't archived or I can't seem to find. And seeing as the search engine for the digests isn't working, I ask anyone who has them to forward me the Angels of Heresy and Secrets, and the Demon of the Occult. Thanks muchly. Joe - ------------ "By dispersing his forces he shows a remarkable ability to adapt to circumstances and a pragmatism one rarely sees from a hundred foot tall giant robot." --David White, on Den from Battle Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:05:02 -0500 From: johnk@lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio question On Dec 5, 2:07pm, Hart, Joanna wrote: > Subject: IN> Kyrio question > I can't remember if this is in the book, but what happens if a Kyrio > tries to possess a host that is already being possessed by another Kyrio > (or Shedite)? The current possessor makes the Will roll to avoid re-possession. If the current one fails, he gets booted in favor of the new one. The booted one can try to re-re-possess the host. This can continue for awhile until one fails a possession attempt (which means they are barred from trying that host again for some number of hours). This is unlikely to happen for very long since most Shedim and Kyriotates have a high Will. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:43:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> 12 Will Shedite / Cristmas Cheer. > > > Our gaming group has a Shedite with 12 Will, who's able to get the group > > anywhere. What need of Balseraphs or Habbalah to mess people's heads if a > > Shedite can just own them? > > As a GM, I tend to reward subtlety. Otherwise you could apply the same > argument to a Calabim: why mess with people's heads when you can blow them > into their component atoms? (As an aside, the only Calabite I ever made was the weakest character in combat terms I ever made. He possessed Ethereal Entropy at level 4, and the Small Weapon(Dagger) skill at level 1. He's still my favourite In Nomine character.) That argument wouldn't apply in this particular case. A better check would be Symphony disturbances every time he body-hops. (How many security guards can you blow up before they start noticing?) And my character was pretty good at blowing things up herself. But she's not thick, so she didn't even try. In fairness, I exaggerated slightly. He didn't get us into the UN buildings on his own. Different tactics have different uses. > Well obviously. I have to declare an interest here. I'm not his GM, I'm a member of the gaming group. > It might also matter what the reaction of a host is when the Shedim > leaves. That could be a problem now, with some of the people. Like the head of that hotel's security...hmm... I can't remember if IN gives an answer, but if not I would > probably say that the host often comes completely to their senses, But aren't they called "The Corruptors"? Why would they be called that if it was only a temporary thing? Maybe, just maybe, they've lost those inhibitions _forever_. That head of security may never feel qualms about selling security tapes ever again... And then there's the Malakite. Do you reckon he would subsequently feel qualms about shooting his comrades again? and > quite possibly repents of everything they have just done. To a Priest. Who > has a friend with a halo. > We're well beyond worrying about possible angelic intervention. Getting out of the building alive is more like it. > Finally, why not chuck said Shedite up against a high Will Soldier, who > resists possession, and phones an angel ASAP. Ten minutes later, Michael > sends in the Lads, and suddenly the characters have a genuine challenge on > their hands. > Did I mention that he successfully possessed one of the Malakim? (Not without the aid of me doing Celestial Charm, it has to be admitted.) And methinks they _were_ Michael's lads. Axes and guns which do hideous amounts of damage sound like his guys. > > And that isn't even counting the fact that in one session he's taken out > > 3 Malakim. > > Oh dear. He just made it personal with Them Up There. Well, I made it pretty personal too, I reckon. And that Impudite. And almost certainly the Balseraph. Hunt him down. Hound > him from the face of the Corporeal plane. Send in _6_ Malakim next time, > with 18 forces each. (OK, maybe a tad excessive. Maybe not.) > With the scenario given, it's really beyond personal. I expect much better enemy backup (I think it's only four Angels we've encountered so far) now. Which is kind of bad, because my character is severely injured and two out of four of us are almost out of Essence. > Or maybe have some demon of a rival Prince double cross him, and drag his > celestial ass I know that was not intended literally, but it really is just about impossible. to the annual Word-Bound Angels of Laurence Dinner and > Dance, together with a note (OK, Celestial song of Tongues), saying 'Merry > Christmas, Have Fun, Love Kobal XX'. Rival Princes...no...given the mission, that would be silly. (It would be silly with Kobal in any case.) We're trying to disrupt Nuclear Disarmament talks. Can you think of one single Prince who would be happy if they succeeded? (I know my Prince wouldn't).Why Michael is aiding in this endeavour is beyond me, though the rest of the Seraphim Council telling him to do so works. Laugh lots. Let him get away only > through the assistance of the local Lilim, who just felt a Rating 73 Need > ripple through the Symphony... > > Make the smug bstd admit there are some things he just can't handle... > Getting his vessels shot to pieces repeatedly would work. But it's not particularly angelic. > Steve Jessop, Kobal's Impudite of Amusing Things Happening To Characters > Who Think They Are Hard. > Cian seems to have nominated his Shedite for a similar Word. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Request for List Superiors > Much as I love the INCs, there are some goodies from the list that either > aren't archived or I can't seem to find. And seeing as the search engine > for the digests isn't working, I ask anyone who has them to forward me the > Angels of Heresy and Secrets, and the Demon of the Occult. Thanks muchly. > > Joe Huzzah, I just HTML-ized Raziel and Ghogiel! How cool is that? Ask, and thou shalt receive, for the author is doing email today. Go to http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/raziel.html. I can forward them as a plaintext file if you want as well. The Archangel of Archives has muchly to do, unfortunately. - - Em, Demon of Lots of Mail to Do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:45:56 EST From: T Bretz Subject: Re: Lilith (Re: IN> Angels and Souls (was Angelaki)) In a message dated 97-12-03 04:27:34 EST, you write: <<(1). What is Kult? Call of Cthulhu without the cheery optimism. theron houston ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:22:07 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Gabriel a Sadist? >>>Gabby is *definately* a sadist. No doubts about it.<<< Really? I have doubts. Gabriel likes punishing the cruel, but it doesn't say anything about her deriving pleasure from their suffering. She punishes the cruel because it's just, not because she gets off on torturing them. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio question On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Hart, Joanna wrote: > I can't remember if this is in the book, but what happens if a Kyrio > tries to possess a host that is already being possessed by another Kyrio > (or Shedite)? The host gets a terrible migrane as the Kyriotate and the Shedim have a Celestial battle INSIDE him for control. Or maybe everybody makes a Will roll each round, and the winner gets control for that round. Or maybe the Kyriotate and the Shedim get control of random parts of the host. I actually have no canonical idea. I just like my suggestions. Richard Gant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:22:08 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Kyriotates in Celestial Form >>>I think it's rather unfair, personally! I'd allow them to manifest for (Will x Cel Forces) minutes instead of (CD + Cel Forces), since that's what they can do normally, but I wouldn't let 'em manifest indefinitely. That gives them a lot of advantages...being able to follow a group of baddies almost imperceptibly (as they walk home, just float inside the street, poking your head out just enough to see...that's gotta be a bit minus on the perception roll) for as long as you have to, etc.<<< I let Kyriotates keep "free-floating" celestial forces around indefinitely, as long as some are in a host. If a Kyriotate gets annoying, there are ways to deal with it. He'll need those extra Forces eventually. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:56:35 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: Lilith (Re: IN> Angels and Souls (was Angelaki)) On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, T Bretz wrote: > In a message dated 97-12-03 04:27:34 EST, you write: > > <<(1). What is Kult? > > Call of Cthulhu without the cheery optimism. The World of Darkness, only dark and angst-ridden. Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:21:26 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> Fluff This is a random thought. So I'm thinking, why do they call them "Bands"? Why not something cool, like "Hordes?" I mean, what is scarier, the BAND of Lilim, which sounds like Bananarama, or the HORDE of Lilim, which sounds like a mass of angry Christmas Shoppers with evil "go for the sale" death look in their eyes? All of the sudden, I have this vision in my head of hundreds of green skinned chicks running through Toys R Us, trying to get the last "Sleep and Snore Elmo", and willing to kill each other with Barbie Doll accessory brushes to get it. Much scarier, if you ask me. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:23:10 -0500 (EST) From: Raoul Duke Subject: Re: IN> Request for List Superiors On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Emily Dresner wrote: > Huzzah, I just HTML-ized Raziel and Ghogiel! How cool is that? Very! Thanks! And I actually found the Angel of Heresy on the INC (turns out he was a Word-bound and not an AA), so I guess my quest is over. Thanks Em, expect that Essence in the mail. Joe - ------------ "By dispersing his forces he shows a remarkable ability to adapt to circumstances and a pragmatism one rarely sees from a hundred foot tall giant robot." --David White, on Den from Battle Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 15:31:55 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Fluff I suppose "band" was picked to keep the musical theme running. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:32:04 -0500 (EST) From: Raoul Duke Subject: Re: IN> Request for List Superiors And having visited Em's site, I urge everyone to do the same, if only for the photos in her Rogue's Gallery and the editorial captions attached to them... http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/main2 (there's another version, but it makes my Netscape cry) Joe - ------------ "By dispersing his forces he shows a remarkable ability to adapt to circumstances and a pragmatism one rarely sees from a hundred foot tall giant robot." --David White, on Den from Battle Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Request for List Superiors > And having visited Em's site, I urge everyone to do the same, if only for > the photos in her Rogue's Gallery and the editorial captions attached > to them... > > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/main2 (there's another > version, but it makes my Netscape cry) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/main2.html. The main page can also reached through the FICTION link on the INC. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:52:44 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers (I think that there are celestials playing with my dreamscapes on a regular basis here...) [Imagine yourself sitting in a movie theater, watching the green "This preview has been approved for all audiances" thing, and then the slightly overloud voiceover and music begins...] Narrator: Lori Jones is a normal woman... Actress Lori, walking down city street, possibly narrowly avoiding getting hit by a taxi or something. Narrator: ...with a normal job... Something to do with answering phones, calling instructions, etc. Busy office scene. She's obviously having a harrowing day. Narrator: ...and a not so normal family. Lori walks into apartment, drops all groceries, says in shock: "MOM?" Camera cuts to elegantly dressed lady -- in green and horns, with some cool shimmery special effects that do a nice little to a normal actress. "Hello, dear. Could you do me a little favor?" [I like "Captain Janeway" for my fave. Demon Princess. Don't ask *me* why...] Camera cuts to Lori looking in shock as a bracelet appears on her wrist with some glittery SFX (sparks spiraling in from nowhere). Narrator: Her fiance', Matt, is very understanding... Lori with *very cute* boyfriend, explaining her bad day in great gory detail: "...and then my *mother* drops by..." Boyfriend Matt makes sympathetic noises. Narrator: ...perhaps too understanding... In bed, cuddling, obviously having been doing X-rated things from touseled hair and sated smiles. Matt: "That better?" Lori: "Oh, yeah. Thanks. You are just such an angel." Matt, a little embarassed: "Ah, well..." Camera cuts to Lori's face, closeup, as her eyes snap open in shock and "oh-s***!"ness. She yanks herself away with a "WHAT??" Narrator: ...and they're about to have some problems with in-laws. Lori, semi-hysterical: "Matt, why didn't you tell me you were an angel assigned to protect the [somethingorother that would be in a museaum or something]??" Matt, [Mercurian, anthropomorphic Cherub, or six-winged humanoid Seraph?] in shimmery celestial form: "Well, you never asked." Lori, turning away, in a semi-undertone: "I don't need this." Narrator: Because Lori's working for the other side. A bar with enough special effects to make Lucas and Spielberg weep. It is, of course, Shal-Mari. Lori, in green and horns and a lot of bracelets -- the 'active' one in gold -- talking to a sister (green, horns, bracelets). Both are somewhat scantily clad [as befits Body By Nybbas]. "Sis, I just don't know what I'm going to do. I'm supposed to steal it, and he's supposed to guard it." Sister, taking a drink: "Well, do you love him?" Lori, shaking head blankly: "I don't know. I thought so." Sister, calmly: "Then you're probably going to die." Raises her glass for a refill. Our Lori and a Djinn in Black (human form). DiB, taking notes like an IRS auditor: "Fraternizing with the enemy, were we?" Lori: "I didn't know! I figured I had him in thrall, okay?" DiB: "You should have them sign in blood *before* you agree to marry them. Or did you forget that little detail?" Boyfriend, surrounded by a triad of Angels in Black. Seraph in Black: "And your fiancee may be working for Hell." Matt: "Look, I only found out yesterday. I thought she was an athiest!" SiB, taking notes: "This is not going to look good on your record, Mattaniah." Matt: "Athiests go to Heaven too!" SiB, fixing him with a steely eye, (background music goes dead): "But demons don't." Lori, to Matt: "So, if I can, like, do this *really big favor* for Mom, maybe she'll let me go." Lilith, to Lori: "Of course, dear. Here, get these things for me." As she hands over a list. Matt, to Lori, looking at list: "THESE RELICS ARE IN HEAVEN! You can't go there!" Lori: "Hey, I'll wear sunglasses and a habit, okay?" Matt, celestial form, sitting on a branch talking to a bunch of biker-angels (ever see a Seraph in a leather jacket? How about a Kyrio?): "If we can get the goods, Lilith lets her go, and she defects to our side." Angel (of the Wind): "So, you just need to steal the [something or other funky sounding -- spear of Longinus?], give it to a Demon Princess, and you get to marry your true love?" He looks around at his friends. "True love is good." Narrator: Love isn't always easy... Lori, with someone behind her in dark robes. He places a hand on her shoulder and she startles. Figure: "Have we been playing with the other side?" Matt, with friends & relic, some posh home. Lilith: "She's been caught by the secret police. She'll be taken to Hell tomorrow, to be executed at sunset. Here's the blueprints of the Game's stronghold." Matt: "Ah, why are you helping us?" Lilith, shrugging: "I'm the Princess of Freedom. And you're going to be my son-in-law, Mattaniah. I like that." * A broody fellow in black leather setting an explosive charge * Lori, trying to seduce a guard, koshing him over the head * Lori and Matt running away from a big explosion, hand in hand * Screamingly angry guards chasing * Lots of explosions, gunshots, yadda yadda yadda. Narrator: ...but it always helps to have good friends. Windy crouched behind something, to Matt: "Hey, love conquers all, right? Hand me another grenade." [End trailer with the title of the movie...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:57:10 -0500 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> Fluff At 15:31 -0500 12/5/97, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >I suppose "band" was picked to keep the musical theme running. Or scrambling, if you play a demon from UVA, Stanford, or the Ivy Leagues.:) I loved the fact that Stanford's football field is a tether to Kobal. Just in it for obscure scramble band references, SeanMike - -- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: Raoul Duke Subject: Re: IN> Request for List Superiors On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Emily Dresner wrote: > > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/main2 (there's another > > version, but it makes my Netscape cry) > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/main2.html. The main page > can also reached through the FICTION link on the INC. Aarg. Apologies. ObIN, um, geez, ever run an IN game in a different setting or system? I've got a copy of Castle Falkenstein arriving in the mail from the sale at rpgspot.com, and I'm toying with the idea of celestials in a Victorian setting. Joe - ------------ "By dispersing his forces he shows a remarkable ability to adapt to circumstances and a pragmatism one rarely sees from a hundred foot tall giant robot." --David White, on Den from Battle Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:19:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Request for List Superiors At 9:33 AM -0500 12/5/97, Raoul Duke wrote: >Much as I love the INCs, there are some goodies from the list that either >aren't archived or I can't seem to find. And seeing as the search engine >for the digests isn't working, I ask anyone who has them to forward me the >Angels of Heresy and Secrets, and the Demon of the Occult. Thanks muchly. I'm putting some of them up on the INC right now... Or at least links to them. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 16:09:07 -0500 From: Jesse Rooney Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel a Sadist? >>>>Gabby is *definately* a sadist. No doubts about it.<<< > >Really? I have doubts. > >Gabriel likes punishing the cruel, but it doesn't say anything about her >deriving pleasure from their suffering. She punishes the cruel because it's >just, not because she gets off on torturing them. She's an Ofinate not a Elohim - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:18:42 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Fluff > >I suppose "band" was picked to keep the musical theme running. > > Or scrambling, if you play a demon from UVA, Stanford, or the Ivy Leagues.:) > > I loved the fact that Stanford's football field is a tether to Kobal. Except this year it got moved to Illinois. :) Sorry. Minor Big 10 reference. I'm in a University of Michigan building, and I had to have at least one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:39:15 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> An Awful Noise in the Name of the Lord (was Re: Achmetha) At 9:42 AM +0000 12/5/97, Kevin Walsh wrote: >And that isn't even counting the fact that in one session he's taken out >3 Malakim. If you mean possessed them, I do believe that canon is that Shedim are restricted to *humans*. p. IN 151: "[Shedim] manifest by possessing the bodies of living humans." (Not vessels, not pets, but maybe Servitors of the Game under the influence of Humanity... ) (Which neatly gets rid of the "Do I suffer Dissonance if I'm being ridden by a Shedite?" question, which is no small cheer. But if any and all GMs want to do it the other way, *MORE POWER TO THEM*!) Kyrios specifically say "multiple vessels," and so they are allowed to take over vessels. I think. And, currently, in a move that is sure to make many folk happy... Shedim can body-jump two ways. Way #1: They go celestial between hosts, with the attendant Symphonic noise and chance to be spotted. Way #2: with *physical contact* and *extra time*, they can "ooze" from one host to another, making no Symphonic noise, and not manifesting celestially at all. This will be (as far as I know) in the Infernal Player's Guide. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:27:48 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Fluff > >This is a random thought. > >So I'm thinking, why do they call them "Bands"? Why not something cool, >like "Hordes?" Because 'band' used to mean any group of people gathered together for a common goal- sometimes pilgrims, sometimes musicians or actors, oftentimes outlaws, highwaymen, and rebels. These days, it's almost exclusively used as a name for a gathering of musicians. IIRC, any group of demons (non-IN) is a 'band' of demons, whereas any group of angels is a 'choir' of angels, the same way you have flocks of geese, swarms of bees, herds of cattle, schools of fish, etc. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:43:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fluff At 3:21 PM -0500 12/5/97, Emily Dresner wrote: >This is a random thought. > >So I'm thinking, why do they call them "Bands"? Why not something cool, >like "Hordes?" I mean, what is scarier, the BAND of Lilim, which sounds >like Bananarama, or the HORDE of Lilim, which sounds like a mass of angry >Christmas Shoppers with evil "go for the sale" death look in their eyes? > >All of the sudden, I have this vision in my head of hundreds of green >skinned chicks running through Toys R Us, trying to get the last "Sleep >and Snore Elmo", and willing to kill each other with Barbie Doll accessory >brushes to get it. Much scarier, if you ask me. You're twisted, Em.... I think it was so that you could get the image of angels lined up sweetly in their neat little Choirs, singing sweet little hymns and dressed in identical white robes... While you see demons on these stages, dressed in leather and latex and tattered spandex, banging on drums, guitars, with the amps cranked *WAY* up, belting out anti-establishment lyrics in their Bands and not really playing the same music as anybody else... But someday, I'm going to take a picture of what I intend to do with a Barbie. (I'm just ticked that they stuck *UNDERWEAR* on them. Yeesh. *My* Barbies could go bare when they wanted!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 16:40:14 -0500 From: "Rev.The Other Chris" Subject: Re: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Windy crouched behind something, to Matt: "Hey, love conquers all, right? > Hand me another grenade." > > > [End trailer with the title of the movie...] > Where do I queue? Pass the popcorn! LOL, this gave me the best laugh all day. I could hear the voice over guy doing this as I read it! BTW On a related note, is there going to be any IN fiction published? Rev.TOC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:45:05 -0500 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> Fluff At 16:18 -0500 12/5/97, Emily Dresner wrote: >Except this year it got moved to Illinois. :) > >Sorry. Minor Big 10 reference. I'm in a University of Michigan building, >and I had to have at least one. What?! Aiee! Big 10 schools don't put on funny half time performances!:) (Okay, so some would argue neither do scramble bands. But that's arbitrary and opinion.) Oh, btw, there's a game con in Charlottesville the last weekend of February. It'd probably suck (I just want an INWO tournie so DanOz, myself, and some others can gang up, be Shangra-La, and win everything) but if anyone's interested I got the info in my car.:) SeanMike - -- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:48:26 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Fluff >But someday, I'm going to take a picture of what I intend to do >with a Barbie. (I'm just ticked that they stuck *UNDERWEAR* on >them. Yeesh. *My* Barbies could go bare when they wanted!) Huh. Hm, evil thought. Barbarah, the Lilim Demon of Barbies. A seven foot tall (four in the legs alone) 38-19-32 bombshell. But is she a Servitor of Haagenti or Andrealphus? }:-{D Haagenti: "You Need this Barbie RC Roadster." Andre: "You've Needed to do this for a loooooong time, honey...." Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers > Where do I queue? Pass the popcorn! > > LOL, this gave me the best laugh all day. I could hear the voice over > guy doing this as I read it! > > BTW On a related note, is there going to be any IN fiction published? Not mine, as far as I know, and I've been editting at work for two hours. :) Like I mentioned earlier on the All Holy List, there is a Fiction link on the In Nomine Collection page.... > > Rev.TOC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ozmodeus Subject: Re: IN> Fluff According to Highway Star: > Oh, btw, there's a game con in Charlottesville the last weekend of > February. It'd probably suck (I just want an INWO tournie so DanOz, > myself, and some others can gang up, be Shangra-La, and win everything) but > if anyone's interested I got the info in my car.:) Mmmmmm Shangi-La. Or, we could just run an IN game with every annoying character this list can think up and prey on poor, unsuspecting Con-ners... Heh heh, I can picture it now: Kyrios abound in the game where Laurence dances in a tu-tu, Dominic is a Balseraph, Kobal is a toon, and Malakim are demons.....not to mention all the other twisted stuff we think up... Dan Ozdowski - likes Calabim of Belial because they can destroy peoples clothing in public places without noise...... - -- You had that "I'm not necessarily telling the truth" look on your face.... Emily Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Fluff > Or, we could just run an IN game with every annoying character > this list can think up and prey on poor, unsuspecting > Con-ners... > > Heh heh, I can picture it now: > Kyrios abound in the game where Laurence dances in a > tu-tu, Dominic is a Balseraph, Kobal is a toon, and Malakim are > demons.....not to mention all the other twisted stuff we think > up... > Wait... wait... don't I run this game on alternate thursdays? Get out of my plot notebook, or I'll sick my Lilim on you. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:38:15 -0800 From: The Saint of Killers Subject: Re: IN> Fluff: In Nomine Movie Trailers Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > [Imagine yourself sitting in a movie theater, watching the green > "This preview has been approved for all audiances" thing, and then > the slightly overloud voiceover and music begins...] Actually, this has very nearly happened... Anyone else seen the trailer for Fallen? Apparently it's about this guy, he's a cop y'see, and he gets this other guy, he's a bad guy y'see, and the bad guy goes to the chair, y'know? Now when the bad guy fries, he comes back as some kinda crazy-ass demon that possesses people through touch. Now, where I really lose it with this movie is when the demon seems to spend most of his time singing for the cop, which is as bizarre as it gets. Must be a Shedim of Kobal. (And speaking of the INC, which we weren't, I feel hurt that my shot at immortality, my various archangels and princes, haven't yet been added. Really, I cry myself to sleep at night.) sok ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:57:42 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel a Sadist? At 04:09 PM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>Gabby is *definately* a sadist. No doubts about it.<<< >> >>Really? I have doubts. >> >>Gabriel likes punishing the cruel, but it doesn't say anything about her >>deriving pleasure from their suffering. She punishes the cruel because it's >>just, not because she gets off on torturing them. >She's an Ofinate not a Elohim Actually I thought the sado/macho thing was the wrong way around too. Surely Belial get pleasure from hurting others, he certainly does like it when they turn it back on him. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:57:43 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates in Celestial Form At 02:22 PM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>>I think it's rather unfair, personally! I'd allow them to manifest for >(Will x Cel Forces) minutes instead of (CD + Cel Forces), since that's what >they can do normally, but I wouldn't let 'em manifest indefinitely. That >gives them a lot of advantages...being able to follow a group of baddies >almost imperceptibly (as they walk home, just float inside the street, >poking your head out just enough to see...that's gotta be a bit minus on >the perception roll) for as long as you have to, etc.<<< > >I let Kyriotates keep "free-floating" celestial forces around indefinitely, >as long as some are in a host. If a Kyriotate gets annoying, there are ways >to deal with it. He'll need those extra Forces eventually. My fix was to let them have their Celestial form around indefinately, but not to let them move it from adjacent to the Host from which it was generated. This means they can see Celestial things better and do Celestial combat, but can't walk through walls and posses Hosts inside buildings. My Kyrios didn't complain [too much :) ]. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:31:23 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [DV] Disturbance in Occupied Heaven One of the players in the Dark Victory PBEM campaign brought up the following point when a Superior manifested nearby, but somewhere where he couldn't be seen directly. The players are currently in the occupied Eternal City (you can catch up on things at http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ if you aren't following it already), and the player pointed out that since this is Heaven, a Dark Prince would make more noise appearing out of nowhere than an Archangel would, being demonic and all. I don't own Heaven and Hell, and I don't know what the canon is on Disturbing the Symphony is there, but I ruled as follows: (1) Actions such as Songs, Invocations, use of Essence (as opposed to exchange of Essence from one Celestial to another) and the sudden manifestation of a Superior in response to Invocation all disturb the Symphony in Celestial realms. A Superior just walking around, OTOH, wouldn't. (2) In Dark Victory, Heaven has been desecrated, and the Upper Heavens have been removed from the Universe altogether. (As far as anybody can tell.) Angel and Demon are on equal footing there now, except there's a LOT more Demons than Angels around. (3) Ergo, a Dark Prince manifesting makes just as much of a BANG as an Archangel. That's how it's being played in the current PBEM game. Any comments or corrections which should be made for the future? Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "It's Christmas in Heaven, http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | there's great shows on TV; c/o White Lightning Productions | the Sound of Music twice an hour http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | and Jaws I, II and III." Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- A Nybbas Christmas http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:19:44 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fluff At 3:48 PM -0600 12/5/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >>But someday, I'm going to take a picture of what I intend to do >>with a Barbie. (I'm just ticked that they stuck *UNDERWEAR* on >>them. Yeesh. *My* Barbies could go bare when they wanted!) > >Huh. > >Hm, evil thought. Barbarah, the Lilim Demon of Barbies. A seven foot tall >(four in the legs alone) 38-19-32 bombshell. With feet that can *only* wear high heels! >But is she a Servitor of Haagenti or Andrealphus? }:-{D > >Haagenti: "You Need this Barbie RC Roadster." > >Andre: "You've Needed to do this for a loooooong time, honey...." Nybbas, and she reports to the Demon of Toy Commercials, who is a Habbie. (Have you *seen* the Barbie commercials where they have her moving, sort of like stop-motion stuff? It's just a little "off" and is *creepy*!) Either that, or she's the only Free in existance who has good dealings with Nybbas, Haagenti, Andre, and Mammon all at once. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #499 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.