From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Mar 6 11:07:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10044; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:26:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00950 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:29:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:29:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199703061629.KAA00950@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #56 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, March 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 056 In this digest: Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers IN> Short swords Re: IN> Short swords RE: IN> Possible Demon Princes? IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #55 IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #55 IN> Tether me. Re: IN> Riders and Hosts Re: IN> Riders and Hosts Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #55 Re: IN> Possible Demon Princes? Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers Re: IN> Riders and Hosts Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers IN> Adventure seed #4 Re: IN> Possible Demon Princes? IN> Adventure seed #4 IN> Divine Tethers IN> More Tether Suggestions Re: IN> Tether me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:16:40 -0600 (CST) From: Corey Subject: Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers Swear allegiance to the flag what ever flag they offer -Mike and the Mechanics "SIlent Running" On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Bodhi wrote: > This was me. The mall in question is West Edmonton Mall (for those > of you who haven't seen this monstrosity, it contains an amusement > park, hotel, water-slides, zoo, miniature golf courses, submarine > rides, dolphins, sharks, and more damned clothing stores than you > can shake a credit card at). I also like the fact that the Gremsian > brothers (the fanatical orthodox Jewish owners of the mall) are so > wrapped up in their faith. Suggests that they are soldiers, no? > > Anyway, I think I'll have to have some servants of Media get involved > here... I mean, what's retail shopping without media hype... isn't > tourism linked to false images of pleasure... I'm not so sure if The > Mall is such a divine tether, or perhaps it could be swayed through > long-term Diabolical influence. If you've ever been to Boxing Day > sales (do you even have Boxing day down in the states...?) at W.E.M., > then you truly know the meaning of HELL!!!!! > > Walk in Beauty, > > Rob Wolff / Bodhi > rob@v-wave.com > > Did you hear the one about the Buddhist Monk who > Walked up to the hot-dog vendor and said ... > "Make me One with everything!" > > > okay, well no we dont have Boxing Day in the states, but Ive been to day after christmas day sales, and well, Hell is putting it mildly. I really like the idea of a mall as a tether of Marc, and was wondering if anyone else had ideas about tether locations ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Durall Subject: IN> Short swords Tom Swenson wrote: >I hate to come across as overly nit-picky esp in my first post, but... >Well a short sword is _not_ a 'swingy' thing it is in fact a thrusting >wpn. In fact the roman's would take and blunt the edges of the >Gladiases(or however) belonging to (much) youger solders if they insisted >on swinging with them. in general it is much easier to thrust with a short >sword (you get more range and punchure wounds are _nasty_). I'll get off >the soap box now. Gladii weren't the only short swords. Short swords which were used primarily for swinging included the wakizashi, dao, khopesh, kindjal, yataghan, adya katti, zafar takieh, korah, kukri, the ghurka and Khyber 'knives,' dha, talibon, barong, klewang, cinquedea, about a dozen more African or Eastern blades, and the early 1800th century French and Russian copies of the gladius which usually had blunted or false points. Many of these blades had limited or no points whatsoever, and some had considerable heft near the tip for the exclusive purpose of increasing hacking power. Some were even recurved to increase the force of the blow. Granted, the IN system is a bit generic when it comes to weapons, but let's not say it's problematic due to the fighting styles associated with one particular type of ancient weapon. _________ Jason Durall triton@seanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:49:53 -0800 (PST) From: Anders Swenson Subject: Re: IN> Short swords On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jason Durall wrote: > > Gladii weren't the only short swords. Short swords which were used primarily > for swinging included the wakizashi, dao, khopesh, kindjal, yataghan, adya > katti, zafar takieh, korah, kukri, the ghurka and Khyber 'knives,' dha, > talibon, barong, klewang, cinquedea, about a dozen more African or Eastern > blades, and the early 1800th century French and Russian copies of the > gladius which usually had blunted or false points. > > Many of these blades had limited or no points whatsoever, and some had > considerable heft near the tip for the exclusive purpose of increasing > hacking power. Some were even recurved to increase the force of the blow. > > Granted, the IN system is a bit generic when it comes to weapons, but let's > not say it's problematic due to the fighting styles associated with one > particular type of ancient weapon. > I sit corrected. Please forgive my SCA bias. I never ment to say that was a problem, just was correcting a (precieved) error (I hate ad&d, and tend to be a bit jumpy with thoes type of things.) I would like to see a ... less brief weapons table would be nice, maby I'll wright one, for all thoes Malikim out there who want more then a 'Sword, large'... Again, though I do sit corrected. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:51:46 -0800 From: "Lonnie Foster (Volt Temp)" Subject: RE: IN> Possible Demon Princes? _A Dictionary of Angels_, by Gustav Davidson (it's listed in the In Nomine Primary Sources section), is a really good place to look for the names of fallen angels, as well as members of the Host. More names for angels and demons than you can shake a stick at. > -----Original Message----- > From: Raven [SMTP:94fa193@dvc.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 1997 12:32 PM > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: IN> Possible Demon Princes? > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Plki wrote: > > > > I did a little digging, although my resources on the matter are > > > depressingly limited, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Did you check Milton's 'Paradise Lost' ? It has a lot of demon > names in > > it, and (IIRC) their 'jobs'. > > I wish I had a copy to consult. I've heard many conflicting opinions > on > Milton, however. But If other gamers can like his work, maybe there's > a > chance it won't make by brain implode. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 00:02:03 -0500 From: xanatos@mail.cybernex.net Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #55 >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:52:10 -0500 >From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" >Subject: Re: IN> Choir/Band attunements > >> I don't think that anyone has answered the original question, which was >> whether one could buy an attunement that was of one's OWN choir or band, >> but NOT of your supperior. > > It doesn't say you can, so you can't. fnord. If any >disagrees with this, come armed with a page number or a missive >by Derek or Moriah. ;) > > >- -- > ___________________________________________________ >/ \ >|John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | >| (919)380-4629 | >| "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | >| more you tax something, the less you get of it. | >| In this country we tax success most of all." | >\___________________________________________________/ > Hi all. This is my first message to the list, so go easy. :) Okay, on page 36, on the left side of the page under Attunements, the book states, "At character creation - or afterward, with your superior's permission, a celestial can buy other Choir/Band attunements 'of that same superior' (in italics) for 5 character points each, as long as the attunements ability does not depend upon the resonance of its intended Choir or Band." The point being that the book italicizes the phrase "of that same superior", to emphasize that they are referring to ONLY that superior. I think the book makes it pretty clear that you cannot buy choir/band attunements of a superior other than your own at character creation and afterwards. I personally would allow a character who changed superiors to have the ability to purchase the choir attunements of his new superior, but that player would have to lose any choir/band attunements of his old superior. The way the book describes Choir/Band Attunements as opposed to Servitor Attunements, this is the destinction that I gather. A Choir/Band attunement is/are inherent abilities that result from a servant serving the symphony as an aspect of their superior's word. The Servitor Attunements seem more like skills that relate to the superior's word, but that can be taught and understand without actually representing that word or an aspect of it within the symphony. When a celestial changes superiors, they now serve the symphony by being aspects of a different word. Their alignment with the symphony is different, and the result is that they are now able to purchase choir/band attunements of their new superior, but are no longer able to use choir band/attunement of their old superior. Dissonance would follow this rule too. - -- Jeffrey Nuremburg / Cybernex Technical Support Staff xanatos@cybernex.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 00:09:04 -0500 From: Jason Griffey Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #55 >Second Thought- >I don't know if anyone knows about this but I think this is an >interesting thought. I believe there is an Angel of Vengence in the >Jewish theology known as Azrael. There is a comic book by DC of the same >name which is where the Comic books creator, Dennis O'Neal came up with >the character. I don't know about you but the image that Dennis O'Neal >paints (Avenger armed with flaming swords) is pretty neat. >I'm kinda reminded of a quote from the bible that was used alot in the >movie "Pulp Fiction"..can't remember it right now but maybe I'll >remember later. Anyways maybe I'll work on "Azrael" and post him/her >when I'm done. >Hatcher Rhanyr >"The Intergalactic Sage" Suddenly forgeting what I was going to say about Azrael, I'll comment on Pulp Fiction...:-) The quote you are thinking of is _not_ actually from the Bible...it was written by Tarantino, and just attributed to the Bible. :-) Ezekial 25:17: "The path of the rightous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish, and the tyrany of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepards the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengence and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengence upon thee." That's from memory, so if I screwed it up, mea culpa. Jason ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 97 01:04:59 EST From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Tether me. >Bodhi: >This was me. The mall in question is West Edmonton Mall (for those >of you who haven't seen this monstrosity, it contains an amusement >park, hotel, water-slides, zoo, miniature golf courses, submarine >rides, dolphins, sharks, and more damned clothing stores than you >can shake a credit card at). I also like the fact that the Gremsian >brothers (the fanatical orthodox Jewish owners of the mall) are so >wrapped up in their faith. Suggests that they are soldiers, no? > >Anyway, I think I'll have to have some servants of Media get involved >here... I mean, what's retail shopping without media hype... isn't >tourism linked to false images of pleasure... I'm not so sure if The >Mall is such a divine tether, or perhaps it could be swayed through >long-term Diabolical influence. If you've ever been to Boxing Day >sales (do you even have Boxing day down in the states...?) at W.E.M., >then you truly know the meaning of HELL!!!!! Why stop at one Tether? Kobal has a Tether at the amusement park. Andrealphus at the Hotel. Jordi at the Zoo Janus at the waterslide Asmodeus at the miniature golf. Novalis at the garden/florist. David at the jewelers. Eli at the Eastern knic-knacks store. Jean at the Radio Shack. Laurence at the cutlery shop (knives, etc...) Michael at the Laser Tag playground Yves at Bookstore. Baal at sporting goods. Beleth and Blandine at two different mattress and bedding departments Gabriel at the security kiosk Belial by the furnaces Haagenti in the food court Kronos in the watch shop Malphas in the parking garage Nybbas at the theater Saminga at the trash dump Vapula at the Sharper Image and Valefor in the main court. All this arranged and encouraged by Marc who has his Tether at the bank. Let the Commerce begin!! Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:54:49 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Riders and Hosts Dear John and Raven (& List) **Insightful and useful answer clipped for Brevity** > In myth and legend, there have also been many cases >where possessed people have shown extraordinary strength. If >the Vessel's strength rules, we would lose this tie. So if I possess a mouse I still have strength 4 (or whatever), rather than what I would think adequate for a mouse of around 0.2 (or less). > Also, an elephant's weapon has a LARGE power! So >even if that fumble-footed rider (low strength usually means >low brawling scores) is a wimp, the mighty Foot of Doom >makes up for a lot! Uhuh, thats the effect I was looking for. Any suggestions as how to factor it. My first thought was to make the Rider+Hosts Fighting damage = Strength + the Hosts level. For my elephant eg this means that the Str 4 Rider does Damage 11, not as much as the elephant, but impressive. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 20:29:38 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Riders and Hosts Peter Frederick wrote: > > Dear John and Raven (& List) > > **Insightful and useful answer clipped for Brevity** > > > In myth and legend, there have also been many cases > >where possessed people have shown extraordinary strength. If > >the Vessel's strength rules, we would lose this tie. > > So if I possess a mouse I still have strength 4 (or whatever), rather than > what I would think adequate for a mouse of around 0.2 (or less). > > > Also, an elephant's weapon has a LARGE power! So > >even if that fumble-footed rider (low strength usually means > >low brawling scores) is a wimp, the mighty Foot of Doom > >makes up for a lot! Possibly where the difficulty arises is the way we think of 'the body'. We tend to visualize the human body as a solid, real thing, muscles, bone and skin, something that has a solid, real identity regardless of "who's in charge". I don't think that's the case in IN. "The body" is simply the Vessel of the human soul, constructed to house that soul on the corporeal plane. The physical attibutes of that body, like strength or hair colour, are just the manifestation of that soul's will upon 'reality'. If you like, the body is a bit of solidified Symphony. Now, when a Shedim or Kyriotate takes control of 'the body', the Vessel's connection to its owning-soul is weakened - and now the possessing Celestial uses it as the physical extension of its Forces. So, Strength changes to suit the new possessor, not because the muscles change, but because the will that uses those muscles as a Vessel changes. If you're a Celestial possessing an elephant, you lack the elephant-soul's connection to its Vessel-tool, and you use it the way you normally would. Of course, if this theory is right, it might mean that if a Kyriotate possessed a singel host for a long time (like years), the Vessel might alter its appearance slowly to fit what the Kyriotate was more comfortable with (and bear in mind what Kyriotates look like). Maybe an Outcast, stuck in the same one or two bodies due to Discord... Mind you, Derek Pearcy has said that HP stay the same as the original Vessel's during possession, which wouldn't jibe well with this theory. Hmm... maybe HP, like hair colour, is more 'passive' and stays intact longer, whereas 'active' attibutes like Strength shift to fit the governign personality... Any opinions? - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia The crumbled cities stand as known Of the sights you have been shown Of the hurt you call your own Love is suicide SMASHING PUMPKINS, "Bodies" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: HarlinHirs@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #55 In a message dated 97-03-06 00:11:32 EST, jgriffey@frognet.net writes: > > Suddenly forgeting what I was going to say about Azrael, I'll > comment on Pulp Fiction...:-) The quote you are thinking of > is _not_ actually from the Bible...it was written by Tarantino, and > just attributed to the Bible. :-) Ezekial 25:17: <> Actually the Tarantino quote is not a bad paraphrase of what's actually there, if you throw in a bit of the few verses preceding for the poisoning and destroying bit... Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:20:15 -0500 (EST) From: HarlinHirs@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Possible Demon Princes? In a message dated 97-03-05 21:08:59 EST, (Lonnie Foster (Volt Temp)) writes: > > _A Dictionary of Angels_, by Gustav Davidson (it's listed in the In > Nomine Primary Sources section), is a really good place to look for the > names of fallen angels, as well as members of the Host. More names for > angels and demons than you can shake a stick at. Oh keeper of the FAQ? Might I suggest that this reference be included prominently therein? Unquestionably the most useful reference for actual historical angelology that I've seen... lots of good names, a HUGE bibliography, yada, yada, yada... Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: HarlinHirs@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers In a message dated 97-03-05 11:50:35 EST, (Walter Milliken) writes: > The notion of spontaneous Tether formation implies that there ought to > be a *lot* of scrambling as one side locates and defends the > newly-formed Tether, and the other side tries to break it up before it > becomes defensible.... > This may be heretical, but mightn't there be tethers which are partial to NEITHER faction when they first spontaneoulsy form? There's a lot of overlapping of Words, and not every Spontaneous Human Outpouring of Essence (SHOE) will necessarily be inextricably linked to good or evil... Perhaps some tethers first form as "potential tethers", and the two factions are fighting to affect the perceptions that will eventually define its place in the Symphony. Sounds like a good adventure to me... f'rinstance... (The example's pretty gruesome, but it's really late, and it's what I came up with...) Forty human rights protesters in a Third World Dictatorship (pick one) die when an over-zealous guard unit pours kerosene all over their tents and sets them alight. The event and the location become a rallying point for the oppressed masses. On the one month anniversary of the tragedy, a massive demonstration is planned. Gabriel sends in servitors to see to it that the demonstration is a peaceful one, perhaps a candlelight vigil, transforming the flames of the original tragedy into the fire of catharsis, perhaps beginning a process of reforging the country's government... (Of course, she might also send in a few Malakites to have a word with the guard Captain who started the kerosene-pouring.) Belial, on the other hand, is hoping that he can turn the demonstration into a riot, and have the gathered masses torch the Presidential palace and perhaps a few innocent bystanders in the process. The potential is there from the beginning, but whether the tether is dedicated to cruelty/destruction or illumination/change has yet to be seen... Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:41:10 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Riders and Hosts On Mar 6, 5:54pm, Peter Frederick wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Riders and Hosts > Dear John and Raven (& List) > > **Insightful and useful answer clipped for Brevity** > > > In myth and legend, there have also been many cases > >where possessed people have shown extraordinary strength. If > >the Vessel's strength rules, we would lose this tie. > > So if I possess a mouse I still have strength 4 (or whatever), rather than > what I would think adequate for a mouse of around 0.2 (or less). > > > Also, an elephant's weapon has a LARGE power! So > >even if that fumble-footed rider (low strength usually means > >low brawling scores) is a wimp, the mighty Foot of Doom > >makes up for a lot! > > Uhuh, thats the effect I was looking for. Any suggestions as how to factor > it. My first thought was to make the Rider+Hosts Fighting damage = Strength > + the Hosts level. > For my elephant eg this means that the Str 4 Rider does Damage 11, not as > much as the elephant, but impressive. Damage, oddly enough, is not related to strength. The POWER of the attack is what determines damage. An elephant's attacks mode is what determines what power the attacks will have. If you look at the other animals, you'll see some with a positive power and some with a negative. The elephant has a large positive power, making the actual strength of the rider irrelevant. This actually works quite well since the power of the attack is based on the size and ferocity of the creature. The rider won't be able to pick up as much if they have a low strength but they will still be fairly effective in combat. There _will_ be a supplement that, among many other things, will detail a variety of animals and their costs. SJ has made a commitment to expanding on the current stock of Archangels rather than coming up with a new one every supplement. (And, of course, both Jordi and possessors need that animal info.) The only two I know are in the works are Uriel (who will probably show up in conjunction with the marches supplement) and Khalid (ditto but for Islam). Those two were reluctantly cut due to space considerations. In all likelihood, you will see a net version of some of these things long before publication. There is at least one active webpage designed to keep up with all the net-suggestions that fly back and forth. John Newquist has it at http://www.nocturne.org/inc/ - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:51:33 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers On Mar 6, 7:20am, HarlinHirs@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Shedim and Divine Tethers > In a message dated 97-03-05 11:50:35 EST, (Walter Milliken) writes: > > > The notion of spontaneous Tether formation implies that there ought to > > be a *lot* of scrambling as one side locates and defends the > > newly-formed Tether, and the other side tries to break it up before it > > becomes defensible.... > > > > This may be heretical, but mightn't there be tethers which are partial to > NEITHER faction when they first spontaneoulsy form? There's a lot of > overlapping of Words, and not every Spontaneous Human Outpouring of Essence > (SHOE) will necessarily be inextricably linked to good or evil... Perhaps > some tethers first form as "potential tethers", and the two factions are > fighting to affect the perceptions that will eventually define its place in > the Symphony. Yeah, but a tether to What? The connotations of tether imply there's a connection to something, no matter how tenuous. My ruling would be that a 'spontaneous tether' has to have some kind of connection to _something_. On the other hand, a sufficiently skillful being could be present at a great outpouring of essence and use that to help establish a tether. A tether that is sufficiently nebulous (like one of fire, for example) could be convinced to 'switch sides' I imagine. This does bring up another idea that I was kicking around... We could have a something for those wizards out there to base their power around. Call it a Sanctum. These don't have to be connected to anything, or rather they are only connected to the piece of Corporeal real estate they happen to be sitting on. In some ways they would be the same as tethers, but without the ability to travel from spot to spot. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:16:07 +0000 From: "Joel Cardella (Not Joseph!)" Subject: IN> Adventure seed #4 THE EXPOSITION Nearly tweleve weeks ago, members of the leftist Marxist Tupac Amaru rebels seized several hundred people at the Japanese embassy in Peru. Several of Marc's Servitors were inside when the various waiters, servants and cooks threw off their disguises and revealed their agenda. In the days that followed, due to some excellent diplomacy by Marc's agents, hundreds of people were released, with these same agents among them. Although the agents begged to stay, the rebel leader, Cepras, said no. He didn't want them to sway his people away from their objectives any longer. However, a Kyriotate serving Marc was secretly able to remain. THE COMPLICATION Not blocks away is an Infernal tether, having been there from the many guerilla wars that happen almost routinely in the Latin America provinces. Humans, in their typical human fashion, have blundered into the arms of the enemy. The seneschal sent a Shedite working off some dissonance to the embassy. There she encountered the Kyriotate. But wuth the tether so close, and the noise it makes, neither could alert any one else to the others presence. (Assume that neither knows any Song which would help them, either). They also will not leave the place to the other. They have agreed not to possess any of the guests or the rebels, because of the paranoia of the Amaru. Everytime someone comes out of the Marches when they return to their bodies, they are disoriented and remember nothing. The rebels may think they are being gassed and blow the place. So they possess the various vermin living within the embassy estate. THE PROBLEM The Host won't interfere, given the proximity to the tether. The Diabolicals won't abandon the tether for fear of it being unguarded. In fact, they've beefed up security quite a bit. BUT (there's always a BUT, isn't there?). One of the remaining 72 guests is integral to one of the PC's Superiors plans. This human MUST be recovered at any cost, without alerting the Diabolicals to what is happening. But the PC's shouldn't know why. They might not even know who! THE HOOK Katarina Hernandez, a local Peruvian detective, has been assigned to the case. She will do whatever it takes to help the PC's obtain their objective. But (another but!) Hernandez is a Lilim, working for Dominic. She has several geases on her not to reveal her idenitiy or her Superior. She has been assigned to tempt the PC's into blundering, especially those working for a hostile Superior. She will goad them, guide them, instruct them, even geas them into doing something which will accomplish their personal goal but also which would prove them dissonant, and thereby under Dominic's microscope. WHO'S INTERESTED Divine- Marc: Let my people go. Irritated by the fact that he could only get most of the hostages out, he will certainly redouble his efforts to negotiate for the remainder. Dominic: See above. Anyone interested in destroying the tether, or wanting to keep things away from the attention of the tether (which would be ALL of them). Diabolical- Malphas: Somewhat. He has concentrated his actions elsewhere, having people working as aides to Alberto Fujimori, the President of Peru, who has staunchly refused to deal with the rebels or compromise on any matter. Sounds like a faction, eh? Kronos: He has an opportunity to bring almost a hundred humans to their fate! He's probably a little interested in this... Kobal: There is nothing as funny as a Mexican standoff, especially when neither side knows how many bullets the other has. Any Prince interested in keeping the tether intact (which would be ALL of them). Also remember that anyone the PC's speak with will probably speak Portugese or Spanish as their native language. Some may speak English as a second language. Without the Song of Tongues or a Language skill, well...it could be difficult. * * * * * * * * * * * * Joel Cardella All the powers of a man bestowed on a man. http://www.io.com/~dronf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:53:19 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Possible Demon Princes? On Mar 6, 7:20am, HarlinHirs@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Possible Demon Princes? > In a message dated 97-03-05 21:08:59 EST, (Lonnie Foster (Volt Temp)) writes: > > > > > _A Dictionary of Angels_, by Gustav Davidson (it's listed in the In > > Nomine Primary Sources section), is a really good place to look for the > > names of fallen angels, as well as members of the Host. More names for > > angels and demons than you can shake a stick at. > > Oh keeper of the FAQ? Might I suggest that this reference be included > prominently therein? Unquestionably the most useful reference for actual > historical angelology that I've seen... lots of good names, a HUGE > bibliography, yada, yada, yada... Do you think that's necessary? I mean, it _is_ listed right in the rulebook. On the other hand, I've fielded enough questions (both on gaming lists and at my job!) to know that few people ever actually read the documentation! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:40:53 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> Adventure seed #4 Wow. This one's twisty. I like it. Unfortunately, it's so dependant upon the setup that I don't think I'll ever just luck into this arrangement of players. It'd be good as a one-timer, though. Maybe not as an introduction to IN, but perhaps as a "break" from the regular campaign? Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Did you hear the one about the Buddhist Monk who Walked up to the hot-dog vendor and said ... "Make me One with everything!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:58:43 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> Divine Tethers > Forty human rights protesters in a Third World Dictatorship (pick one) die > when an over-zealous guard unit pours kerosene all over their tents and sets > them alight. The event and the location become a rallying point for the > oppressed masses. On the one month anniversary of the tragedy, a massive > demonstration is planned. > > Gabriel sends in servitors to see to it that the demonstration is a peaceful > one, perhaps a candlelight vigil, transforming the flames of the original > tragedy into the fire of catharsis, perhaps beginning a process of reforging > the country's government... (Of course, she might also send in a few > Malakites to have a word with the guard Captain who started the > kerosene-pouring.) > > Belial, on the other hand, is hoping that he can turn the demonstration into > a riot, and have the gathered masses torch the Presidential palace and > perhaps a few innocent bystanders in the process. > > The potential is there from the beginning, but whether the tether is > dedicated to cruelty/destruction or illumination/change has yet to be seen... > Now this is interesting. While I never pictured Gabriel as the altruistic "good guy", I like the bit about "transforming the flames of the original tragedy into the fire of catharsis". Quite a nice turn of phrase, I think. I would've seen Gabriel wanting to punish the overly- cruel guards who betrayed their public trust and slew the protestors. This archangel's a bit more "edgy" than the original action dictates. Thus, I would've pictured Gabriel wanting to turn the place into a towering inferno of divine retribution, not a peaceful candlelight vigil. Either way, though, I like the idea of "immature tethers" holding power without loyalty. Places of Power can be "won" or "swayed" by one side or the other, but in their original state, they'd still be "up for grabs". cutesy example: When the courthouse building for the United States Supreme Court was originally constructed, there was such an emotional outsurge from the newly forged nation (let's face it, all of North American society is pretty young...) that it caused a great deal of Power to be potentially stored at this site. While Dominic originally made a great effort to have the site become a tether for Justice (although he has no interest in Laws, per se' ), the Demon Prince of the Game eventually won the battle, because the site is more dedicated to the wonderfully complex rules of the Game far more than the outcome of Justice. Nowadays, the entire institution of Law and Lawyers is tainted with Diabolical influence, and Servitors of Justice have all but given up on certain branches of the institution. Criminal Law has been totally lost to the Diabolicals ("he got off on a TECHNICALITY!?!?!), as has divorce law ("She's getting HOW MUCH?!?!?!?!), but other branches are still up for grabs... Servitors of Justice still fight for a toe-hold in these branches. However, the Supreme Courthouse, with so much re-inforcement from the general Institution of Law, has become one of the most powerful Tethers of the Game around!!! Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Did you hear the one about the Buddhist Monk who Walked up to the hot-dog vendor and said ... "Make me One with everything!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:20:41 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> More Tether Suggestions Here's another Tether suggestion. 1. There's a church at the end of Wall Street. Doesn't it seem odd that the site of some of the most intricate and powerful Trade negotiations and Money exchanges also contains a place of Worship? Nifty little tether to Marc, no? Complete with Domicile for the Seneschal. 2. Smithsonian Library - one of the greatest collections of general Knowledge around, and a testament to Man's search for greater meaning and purpose with his existence. A perfect tether to Yves. Seneschal is actually the assistant to the Head Librarian (the number two guy), who's been around longer than anybody can remember, but never seems to get older or forced into retirement. Loves to give those guided tours (generates essence through the lecturing rite). 3. The Grand Canyon and/or Carlesbad Caverns (sp?) - naturally occuring Stone wonders, inspiring awe and wonder in all poor mortals who see them. No one can approach these sites without being swayed by the power and and Beauty that is inherent in God's wonderful Plan. Tether to David, archangel of Stone. Seneschal is a tour guide. Just hanging around there gives the guy essence! (see David's rights) 4. Annapolis - training ground for young soldiers, where they learn tactics, training, history, etc. Here, mortals learn to work together to fight the good fight, always honourably. This place is a Tether to Lawrence, since these soldiers learn the honourable side of fighting as a group, and all pledge to place their precious mortal selves in the line of fire to protect all that is sacred to them. 5. The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier - a testament to gallant single-handed heroism. While Annapolis may glorify soldiers working as a team, this site generates a feeling of awe and wonder for those that take the war upon their own shoulders. Ever alone, Heroes remind us that the great War between Good and Evil is always, finally, decided by the actions of Individuals. Tether to Michael. 6. Howard Stern's Radio Show Main Offices - if there was ever a site that generated so much mindless emotion through the meaningless drivel of media-hype, this was it. From this one little suite of offices, hundreds of thousands of pathetic humans are driven to emotional frenzy and moral turpitude. The Demon Prince of the Media, while wishing the damned thing would get on television, is still gloating over the fact that this wonderfully small location is generating RIDICULOUS amounts of power for him. With the new biographical movie re-inventing the Shock Jock as a caring family man, the Prince of Media is just furthering his Word by showing that the public will buy anything handed to them in a pretty package, without considering the moral implications at all!!!! It doesn't even have to make sense!!.. it just has to entertain!!! _________________ Just thought I'd whip up a few suggestions... gotta get back to work now. If I find the time on my next break, I'll spend 10 minutes and think up a few more. Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Did you hear the one about the Buddhist Monk who Walked up to the hot-dog vendor and said ... "Make me One with everything!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:27:30 -0600 From: Drew Johnson Subject: Re: IN> Tether me. On Thu, 06 Mar 1997 01:04:59 -0500 (EST) Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Why stop at one Tether? [snip of many tethers] > All this arranged and encouraged by Marc who has his Tether at the bank. > > Let the Commerce begin!! All right, though rules for Tethers have not yet been firmly established, I think this would make for a fantastically enjoyable place for a large-scale battle with the number of Tethers that Moriah suggested. I see a good number of ways that it would go; a sort of neutral ground where the Celestials can meet in licit and illicit transactions, a site where (in the words of the Feng Shui world) it's all gonna go down, a place for a pre-emptive strike by the Elohim choir (you thought a soda machine was bad?). The idea of the WEM being a central cog in the War Under Heaven appeals to my sense of proportion to no end. Pax, - -Drew Johnson - -----[O O O]---------- Drew Johnson ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #56 ****************************** The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.