From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Mar 15 10:18:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01268; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:17:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14746 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:20:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:20:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199703151620.KAA14746@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #72 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, March 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 072 In this digest: Re: IN> Gabriel and Mary IN> A Tiny Problem Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things Re: IN> New Archangel. (Long) Part 1 Re: IN> New Archangel. (Long) Part 2 Re: IN> Safe Houses IN> Redemption of Undead Re: IN> Character Archive ? Re: IN> New Archangel. (Long) Part 2 Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Highlander Race---- The Churahn IN> Re: Magic Re: IN> A Few Thoughts..... Re: IN>Score one for Nybbas Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things Re: IN> Safe Houses Re: IN> Angel of Music IN> Character Archive ? IN> Whatshisname... Re: IN> Safe Houses Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things Re: IN> The Marches Canon(?) Re: IN> Highlander Race---- The Churahn Re: IN> The Marches Canon(?) Re: IN> A Tiny Problem IN>Roles?? Re: IN> Demon Prince Suggestion Re: IN> Demon Prince Suggestion IN> hello IN> Stupid Joke...possible repeat IN>The Seductions of Night Re: IN> Stupid Joke...possible repeat Re: IN> Stupid Joke...possible repeat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Anders Swenson Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel and Mary On 14 Mar 1997, Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: > > Ack! :) > > Mary said, "How can this be, since I do not know man?" > > Gabriel said, "The Spirit of the Most High God will overshadow you." > > NOT... > > Gabriel said, "Come here, baby, let me show you." > You're right, that's much more Michael's style. "All you need is Glove" -Not the Beatles. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:33:25 -0600 From: dpearcy@io.com (Derek Patton Pearcy) Subject: IN> A Tiny Problem Here's a bit of text I wrote a few years ago, back when we were going to be discussing the subject in the core rules. I've been fairly busy, and admittedly haven't been paying as much attention to the list as I used to, but I thought you'd all get a kick out of this. Derek - -------- "But I didn't do anything!" cried the angel. "So, it was immaculate then," said Michael, Archangel of War. "Um," she said, biting her lip. "Your conception, I mean," he continued, narrowing his eyes. "Um," she said again, more quietly. "As far as I know," Michael grumbled, "there's only been one of those - and there are still questions about it which Gabriel has yet to answer." "I know it looks bad," the angel said, rubbing her human vessel's swollen abdomen. "I just got carried away. And he was so sweet." The Archangel shook his head. "You know it's now allowed." "I know," she whispered. "The baby will continue grow as long as you inhabit this incarnation of your corporeal vessel," he continued. "If you ascend to the Heavens, your vessel will merely recreate itself complete with growing child upon your return. You should not have lost control of your vessel's functions. You should not have allowed such an attachment to develop." "But . . . but I'm going to have a baby," she said. Michael sighed. "Here," he said, handing over a brilliant crystal, overflowing with his pure celestial Essence. "This crystal needs to be delivered to one of our tethers in Seattle. If you can make the trip without attracting attention, tell the caretaker of the tether that I will allow him to house and protect you through the duration of your pregnancy. The child will be raised in the tether by its caretaker. After the birth, you are never to visit Seattle again." She breathed in deeply, feeling the Essence suffuse her body with a wonderful glow. "Thank you," she murmured, touching her belly. "And . . . and my child thanks you." Michael pressed his hand upon hers, feeling the Forces which were gathering inside of her to form a new soul, then looked away. "You know," he said without meeting her eyes, "Your child -- the boy -- will not be a celestial." The angel nodded. "But he'll be simply divine," she said wistfully. Michael walked off, briefly allowing himself to smile with satisfaction. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: Anders Swenson Subject: Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things The angel of music...seems to me this might be a mercurian of Eli. Music is a farly major Word, but not as much so, as creation or war. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:55:20 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> New Archangel. (Long) Part 1 Leathal Weapon wrote: > > Hi, > > This is an idea I've been kicking around since I bought the game. > He's still in the developmental stages, so if anyone has any > suggestions send them my way. Of course, all of this is IMO > (especially the bits about Azrael), so feel free to ignore them. > > Leath. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > CHARON - ARCHANGEL OF DEATH. > [ludicrously big snip] I like this idea - I think it's could when opposing factions in the War have the same Word, since it encourages conflict on levels apart from simple biff. The only quibble is that there's a bit too much crossover between Charon and Yves, paticularly in the attunements of Servitors. It's always more fun if PCs have different abilites. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You're perfect, yes it's true But without me you're only you Your menstruating heart It ain't bleedin' enough for two FAITH NO MORE, "Mid-Life Crisis" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:57:25 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> New Archangel. (Long) Part 2 Leathal Weapon wrote: > [another big-arse snip] I enjoyed this section more than the first. I think there are some original, and more importantly, some very cool ideas here. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You're perfect, yes it's true But without me you're only you Your menstruating heart It ain't bleedin' enough for two FAITH NO MORE, "Mid-Life Crisis" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:02:19 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses Bodhi wrote: > > My friend and I have been toying with a concept, which is a little > esoteric in its interpretation. Let me know what you think. > > This concept works best with a "cold war" style, but not too well > with the "open war" style. > > Safe Houses > > In the espionage parlance, a "safe house" was one where an agent > could "come in from the cold", and drop their cover, even if only for > a few hours. It was a place that was hopefully unknown to the other > side, and also a good spot to rendesvous with Superiors and other > Agents, in order to get much needed information and equipment. > > In In Nomine, Tethers seem to form this function quite nicely, > although they are hardly "unknown to the other side". > > However, here's a notion for an IN setting that we are toying with. > > Between the Sides in the War, there is an Agreement (... and NO, > don't think about "Good Omens"...). The agreement is that Museums > are off-limits to direct conflict between sides. Within the walls of > Museums, both sides are free from repercussions, conflict, and > immediate peril from their counter-parts. [long snip discussing arguments about museums] Very cool idea. I started a bit dubious, but your arguments convinced me. I like the 'safe house' concept, because I like the idea of not having every angel/devil meeting end in a fight. The only problem for me is that you rarely have bars or coffeeshops in a museum! I mean, if you're going to talk with someone on the other side of the Big Fence, you want to do it over a Guiness or a espresso. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You're perfect, yes it's true But without me you're only you Your menstruating heart It ain't bleedin' enough for two FAITH NO MORE, "Mid-Life Crisis" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:26:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Redemption of Undead Is this possible? (We were talking to someone who was thinking of a Renegade Vampire.) Our take was that it might get the person unbound to the corporeal vessel -- i.e., loosing the soul to go wherever the soul deserves to go (Heaven, if the redemption was successful)... So while it would be a roleplaying challenge to atone for past evils, success would kind of toast the character... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:53:36 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Character Archive ? At 8:09 AM -0600 3/14/97, Donald G Bixler wrote: >> I am searching a archive, where I can >> find all posted characters and superiors. >> Because the in every other part marvelous >> INC did not provide any of them. > > I'm planning on doing that with my web page. (Hopefully next >week, Spring Break here) And I'm working on something like that of my own... Heck, I'll just ask right now -- is it okay with people if I put up pages with the various Superiors and other folk who have been posted to the list? [Whoever wants to see what little pathetic bits I've got can follow the links in my .sig...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:59:28 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> New Archangel. (Long) Part 2 At 11:52 PM -0600 3/13/97, Andrew Getting wrote: >At 10:10 PM 3/13/97 -0600, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: >>[...totally awesome snipet...] >> >>I don't know about everyone else out there, but I really like this >>superior, and I think that he counter Saminga quite nicely...well done... > >One thing: what Choir is Charon of? He seems like an Elohite, but it doesn't >say. I'll put my vote in for Elohite. He doesn't really seem a Kyrio (which would be the "counterpart" to Saminga's Shedite nature). The Elohim, to me, seem the only Choir who could show compassion and yet be unmoved to "save just this one, just this once." But then, I just have this fondness for the Vulcans of Heaven. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:03:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things At 1:07 PM -0500 3/14/97, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: [...] >Also I was thinking about the musical Phantom of the Opera and recalled >on of the songs being "Angel of Music" I thought that maybe this would >be an interesting individual so here's my thoughts.Would he/she be an >Archangel or a Word-Bound Celestial? Word-bound, a Servitor of Eli (Creation). In Service to whatshisname, the Archangel of Mathematics. Abilities -- to project an aspect of the Symphony to a selected human; whether the human gets words or images or music will depend on the human's personality and skills. (It does me no good to hear the Angel of Music singing -- I have an untrained voice, and can't read or write musical notation. But I can sketch a little, and write...) Also known as one of the Muses -- often found teamed up with the Angel of Poetry. Sometimes their old friend, now a Demon of Poetry, shows up and you get Filking... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:07:04 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > > Right now one of my pet projects is adapting the Realm of Faery for use > with In Nomine. If anyone would like to help me on this project feel > free to send your thoughts and ideas to me. > Also I was thinking about the musical Phantom of the Opera and recalled > on of the songs being "Angel of Music" I thought that maybe this would > be an interesting individual so here's my thoughts.Would he/she be an > Archangel or a Word-Bound Celestial? Also as far as things go how would > he/she fit in the grand scheme of things. Just a few thoughts for > everyone to ponder. Interesting question. I like the idea of Archangels getting the really _major_ Words, like Destiny or War. Music seems like a possible subset of Art, so perhaps it's too small for an Archangel. That seems a shame, though, since )in my opinion) music is the most important artform in the world - heck, one of the most important _things_ in the world. God, I wish I could sing or play an instrument. Anyway, I'd have the Angel of Music be a Mercurian. I think they'd dig the job the most. No idea who their superior would be. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You're perfect, yes it's true But without me you're only you Your menstruating heart It ain't bleedin' enough for two FAITH NO MORE, "Mid-Life Crisis" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:21:57 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Highlander Race---- The Churahn On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Shadowcat wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Thany wrote: > > Another suggestion: > > After killing another of their kind, any Churahn/Kaurneh may gain one > > Skill of their victim at half the level they had it (round down). > Where does this come from? I don't remember it from any of the > movies, or the TV show. It's just part of Immortal life. If you want an example from the TV show, the only thing I can give you is one where Duncan kills another Immortal and gets the location of a hideout (or something) from his Quickening. They steal their victim's life force AND all of their knowledge. - -- "Moments ago, I had everything; Now, I have a cow in my nose. This state will continue forever Because I opened the stupid door." - _La Salla_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:33:21 -0800 (PST) From: Raven <94fa193@dvc.edu> Subject: IN> Re: Magic I've been reading people's various comments about magic and human magicians, and I've decided that, with songs, we don't really /need/ a new system for magic. In my campaign, I allowed one of my players to make a sorceror character as an unaligned soldier (6 Forces, doesn't work for either side). I also had an idea for non-corporeal songs, allowing some characters to buy Ethereal songs at 2 pts. per level, and Celestial songs at 3 pts. per level. (He only bought 1 Eth. song, so it's no big deal.) The circumstances under which a human may be able to learn these songs is up to the GM, as I see it. As for rituals, just make generous use of the 'extra time' rule. |\ /| | | |~~~ |\ | "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've |_\ /_| | | |__ | \| got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, |\ | | \ | | | | it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." | \ | | \| |___ | | "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Raven <94fa193@dvc.edu> Subject: Re: IN> A Few Thoughts..... On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > Thought #3 > I don't know how many appreciate the movies and show "Highlander" on > this list but here is an idea. There has been some mention of offspring > of celestials. I was thinking about Highlanderish characters in In > Nomine when it struck me, what if the "Immortals" were of celestial > heritage. They live forever if left well enough alone, but there are > those of diabolical heritage that discovered that when an Immortal kills > another one, their essence is transfered to the victor (in a spectacular > display). Likewise Immortals present a disturbance in the Symphony that > can easily be detected by other Immortals or Celestials. Whadya think?? Ya know, I personally don't think the game /needs/ immortals. If you really want to include them, go ahead... but with such a defined concept as IN's, as opposed to the more spread-out weirdness of WW's World of Darkness, they just seem out of place. |\ /| | | |~~~ |\ | "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've |_\ /_| | | |__ | \| got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, |\ | | \ | | | | it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." | \ | | \| |___ | | "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:42:59 -0800 (PST) From: Raven <94fa193@dvc.edu> Subject: Re: IN>Score one for Nybbas On 10 Mar 1997, Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: > 'Dumbing down' the text means that, instead of *translating* the text, > they will *paraphrase* the text. There are already many paraphrased versions > of the Bible, many of which are done for readability and for children. Some > paraphrases are a bit wacky. _The Living Bible_ paraphrase of A good version of the Bible, IMHO, is the Oxford Study Bible. It was used in by Bible as Literature class a few terms back. It's translated by scholars, not religious types, from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and has MANY footnotes explaining tricks of the language, bits of history and folklore to put stuff into context, and other possible translations of ambiguous passages. It also includes a number of essays about the history of the Bible, and some parts that religious authorities of ages past had edited out. (Not neccessarily to obscure the truth, but some texts were not considered as important as others, and so were not made canon.) |\ /| | | |~~~ |\ | "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've |_\ /_| | | |__ | \| got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, |\ | | \ | | | | it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." | \ | | \| |___ | | "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:43:13 +0300 From: s012433@umslvma.umsl.edu (Brian Gracey) Subject: Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things >Right now one of my pet projects is adapting the Realm of Faery for use >with In Nomine. If anyone would like to help me on this project feel >free to send your thoughts and ideas to me. >Also I was thinking about the musical Phantom of the Opera and recalled >on of the songs being "Angel of Music" I thought that maybe this would >be an interesting individual so here's my thoughts.Would he/she be an >Archangel or a Word-Bound Celestial? Also as far as things go how would >he/she fit in the grand scheme of things. Just a few thoughts for >everyone to ponder. > >Hatcher >-- >************************************** _< >_ >* Hatcher Rhanyr * / \0/ \ >* "The Angel of Bright Shiney Teeth" * /_/| |\_\ >* * / \ >************************************** I think that a Realm of the Fae would be interesting, but in IN, it is already there. The Far Marches cover this, and should be expanded upon, rather than creating a new realm. As for an Angel of Music, I think that a word-bound would be powerful enough without introducing another archangel...though, Symphony, music...maybe there should be an Archangel... All Sanvi Brian Gracey s012433@umslvma.umsl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:57:14 +0300 From: s012433@umslvma.umsl.edu (Brian Gracey) Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses > Very cool idea. I started a bit dubious, but your arguments convinced >me. I like the 'safe house' concept, because I like the idea of not >having every angel/devil meeting end in a fight. > The only problem for me is that you rarely have bars or coffeeshops in >a museum! I mean, if you're going to talk with someone on the other >side of the Big Fence, you want to do it over a Guiness or a espresso. > >-- >Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia I personally think the museum idea is perfect for the more long lived celestials. They would surely much ratther speak over Guiness, but then, the teens of heaven and hell would have to make their own pacts of truce in their bars and cafes... All Sanvi - ----- Brian Gracey s012433@umslvma.umsl.edu - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 18:51 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music [Patrick O'Duffy:] > Anyway, I'd have the Angel of Music be a Mercurian. I think they'd >dig the job the most. No idea who their superior would be. Ultimately Eli (see the description of his place in Heaven), though there might be one more intermediary (Angel of Arts, probably). - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:01:34 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> Character Archive ? Well, if anybody thinks that the stuff I've posted is worth using, feel free to post it in a character archive. I'd love it if people were actually using any of the wacky archangels, etc. that I've been throwing out there. Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Nicholas Copernicus, Master Astronomer Stood up and Shouted, addressing the throng, "Abandon poor Ptolomy, Stand up and follow me, Heliocentrically, Ptolomy's Wrong!!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:11:21 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> Whatshisname... > >Also I was thinking about the musical Phantom of the Opera and recalled > >on of the songs being "Angel of Music" I thought that maybe this would > >be an interesting individual so here's my thoughts.Would he/she be an > >Archangel or a Word-Bound Celestial? > > Word-bound, a Servitor of Eli (Creation). In Service to whatshisname, > the Archangel of Mathematics. (the following is to be read with an extremely light heart...) Hee Hee Hee. Alright, I tried to come up with a name that had many levels of meaning. Foucault was an actual Physicist and mathematician, and his Pendulum allows us to see that our Earth has a place in the universal Mind of God. Foucault's Pendulum is also the name of a book by Umberto Eco, all about secret societies fighting the ultimate War between Good and Evil. Foucault was a French philosopher, and IN is based on a French game. Next time, I'm just gonna' go ahead and name him BOB, or JOE. ;-) whatshisname.... sheesh!!! Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Nicholas Copernicus, Master Astronomer Stood up and Shouted, addressing the throng, "Abandon poor Ptolomy, Stand up and follow me, Heliocentrically, Ptolomy's Wrong!!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: durrell@innocence.com (Bryant Durrell) Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses > > Between the Sides in the War, there is an Agreement (... and NO, > > don't think about "Good Omens"...). The agreement is that Museums > > are off-limits to direct conflict between sides. Within the walls of > > Museums, both sides are free from repercussions, conflict, and > > immediate peril from their counter-parts. > > [long snip discussing arguments about museums] > > Very cool idea. I started a bit dubious, but your arguments convinced > me. I like the 'safe house' concept, because I like the idea of not > having every angel/devil meeting end in a fight. > The only problem for me is that you rarely have bars or coffeeshops in > a museum! I mean, if you're going to talk with someone on the other > side of the Big Fence, you want to do it over a Guiness or a espresso. Hm -- that might be a regional thing. I know in Boston, at least, there's often and generally a museum coffeeshop and even sometimes a little bar. - -- durrell@innocence.com http://www.innocence.com/~durrell durrell@bofh.net "[David] Cronenberg is to Toronto as John Hughes is to Chicago." -- David Plant, Toronto Film Commissioner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu (Robert Barrett) Subject: Re: IN> The Realm of Faery among other things Earl beat me to the punch here, but I'll add my two cents in any event. :) Sic scribit Earl Wajenberg: > > I don't know if you have a particular concept of Faery in mind, > but here goes: > > I guess the obvious place for Faerie in the In Nomine universe is > the Far Marches. But there is also a legend, going back to the > Ballad of Thomas the Rhymer, that the fays have to pay a tribute > to Hell every seven (or was it nine or ten?) of a number of their > own -- seven, nine, or ten fays. We don't know if they become > minor servitors, or get eaten, or what. > "Thomas the Rhymer" is one source for this tradition; the other important one is "Tam-Lin" (from the Child collection). The term used to describe the tribute to Hell is *teind*, which literally means "tenth part." In "Tam Lin," the *teind* is precisely one-tenth the population of Faerie. Neil Gaiman picked up on these legends in *Sandman: Season of Mists*, but has the faeries Clurucan and Nuala explain to Lord Morpheus that the *teind* is ten of Faerie's best. > > Fays sometimes collect people, both while living, and at death. > In Nomine already says that some human souls go to the Marches > when they die; some might go to Faery in particular. Humans > taken to Faery typically wind up becoming fays, unless they > are rescued or escape soon (like before a certain amount of > time, or before eating any fay food). Of course, that wouldn't > apply to anyone who WANTED to end up in Faery. > One folklore article I've discovered (unfortunately, my copy is at home, or I've offer the citation here) notes that the *teind* is often linked to faerie abductions of humans and many changeling legends. Finding mortal souls to use as substitutes for the *teind* is apparently often given as a motivation for the abuductions and substitutions. In both "Thomas the Rhymer" and "Tam-Lin," the heroes are returned to the mortal, waking world in large part to save themselves from being handed over to the legions of Hell (in "Thomas," the Faerie Queen sends her lover away to safety; in "Tam-Lin," Tam-Lin arranges for his mortal lover to aid him in escaping to avoid such a fate). Another detail of the legend involves the paying of the *teind* or "Devil his fee" on All Saints' Day, November 1st, the day after the faeries go riding out on Samhain (Halloween). > > Fays themselves have had a great many origins given to them. > They have been a separate race, or heathen dead, or minor demons, > or minor angels. So no matter what origin you choose to give them, > you'll match some existing mythology. > "Seperate race"=the origin of the Daoine Sidhe, descendants of the Tuatha de Danaan, the Irish fae. "heathen dead"=the Scots *sluagh* are the souls of the restless, unshriven dead gone raiding. "minor demons"=a number of Christian texts describe faeries as such. "minor angels"=the Fae have been described as the neutral angels, condemned to existance on Earth and denied Heaven for their holding back during the War. This legend is Icelandic in at least one incarnation; another Icelandic legend states that the faeries are Eve's children--the unwashed ones she tried to hide when God visited her one day (being omnipotent, God saw through this deception and decreed that the faeries would always be the "hidden people," the *huldufolk*). As you can see, there's lots of grist for the mill here. In fact, I have my own ideas of how all this fits into the In Nomine universe, but I want to run them by Moriah and Pyramid Magazine first. :) Best, Rob - -- Robert W. Barrett, Jr. * E-mail: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu * World Wide Web: http://dept.english.upenn.edu/~rbarrett/index.html * "He ran," the unicorn said. "You must never run from anything immortal. It attracts their attention." - Peter S. Beagle, _The Last Unicorn_, 1968 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:10:06 -0500 (EST) From: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu (Robert Barrett) Subject: Re: IN> The Marches Canon(?) Dear Moriah, Sic scribit Moriah - Steve Jackson Games: > > Here's a basic summary of what is, I believe, canon for The Marches. A > few details were filled in by me for consistency. Comments are welcome. Do > people working on THE MARCHES need to know Other Stuff? > > If you have an idea which adds a new piece of the universe, and you're > wondering if it could fit (or looking for a rationale to make it fit), please > shoot it to me via email before you commit a lot of words and time to it. > I'll be happy to get right back to you all on it. > Thanks for asking for comments--what follows is in part a continuation of my recent post on Faerie and IN NOMINE; it is also something I was thinking of submitting to PYRAMID as an article proposal. Here's my idea: IN NOMINE points out that a number of mythological creatures fled Uriel's purge by applying to Beleth, Demon Princess of Nightmares, for sanctuary on the Infernal side of the Marches. My idea is to link this bit of canonical game background to the Faerie legends of the *teind*, the tribute to Hell. IN NOMINE's in-character history provides a perfect motivation for the *teind*: Beleth demands a hefty price in Essence from those Faeries who sought refuge in her domain, and this price (traditionally measured in faerie "souls," bodies, servitors) is the *teind* itself. The oft-observed connection between the *teind* and faerie abductions of mortals provides a built-in adventure hook: the PCs have to intervene and save human friends who have been kidnapped by the fae as *teind* substitutes. Another plot hook could involve the remaining servitors of Uriel (the ones you've mentioned on the IN NOMINE list): Beleth's faeries are looking for a way out of their debt to the Demon Princess, and they come to the PCs looking for help--at which point Uriel's secretive angels step forward to take out these refugees from their master's unfinished purge, and the political implications multiply. This idea is of course clearly dependent on what you and the IN NOMINE team plan to do with Uriel. In some ways, this proposed project is a bit too extensive for THE MARCHES which looks to be a fascinating, yet necessarily jam-packed supplement. I was thus thinking that PYRAMID might be a better venue for it. At the same time, I was worried that it might be the sort of thing you've already thought up, so I wanted to run it by you first. In any event, I look forward to your comments--IN NOMINE is working out quite nicely in my gaming group, and I was especially pleased to see that faery legend (which is really my first love in folklore) fits so neatly into the IN NOMINE universe. Thanks for a great game and for taking the time to read this message. Best, Rob Barrett - -- Robert W. Barrett, Jr. * E-mail: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu * World Wide Web: http://dept.english.upenn.edu/~rbarrett/index.html * "He ran," the unicorn said. "You must never run from anything immortal. It attracts their attention." - Peter S. Beagle, _The Last Unicorn_, 1968 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 20:20:37 From: "Carmen Clemons" Subject: Re: IN> Highlander Race---- The Churahn On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:21:57 -0600 (CST), Thany wrote: > >On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Shadowcat wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Thany wrote: > >> > Another suggestion: >> > After killing another of their kind, any Churahn/Kaurneh may gain one >> > Skill of their victim at half the level they had it (round down). > >> Where does this come from? I don't remember it from any of the >> movies, or the TV show. > >It's just part of Immortal life. If you want an example from the TV show, >the only thing I can give you is one where Duncan kills another Immortal >and gets the location of a hideout (or something) from his Quickening. >They steal their victim's life force AND all of their knowledge. Didn't the bad guy in the third movie steal his knowledge of magic from Connor's teacher? (Sorry, I don't remember the names, it's been a while since I saw the movie.) - --Carmen Clemons This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu (Robert Barrett) Subject: Re: IN> The Marches Canon(?) Oopsie. Well, I guess everyone else saw that message as soon as Moriah did. :) Forgot that this list defaults all replies to the list itself and not to the original posters. In any event, there you have it, my take on the Faeries in IN NOMINE. I'm not sure how badly I've just screwed up my publication rights or my chances at a PYRAMID article--sigh. Information does want to be free, doesn't it? :) Best, Rob - -- Robert W. Barrett, Jr. * E-mail: rbarrett@dept.english.upenn.edu * World Wide Web: http://dept.english.upenn.edu/~rbarrett/index.html * "He ran," the unicorn said. "You must never run from anything immortal. It attracts their attention." - Peter S. Beagle, _The Last Unicorn_, 1968 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 21:09:43 -0600 (CST) From: kestre1@airmail.net (Andrew Getting) Subject: Re: IN> A Tiny Problem At 03:33 PM 3/14/97 -0600, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: >The angel nodded. "But he'll be simply divine," she said wistfully. Michael >walked off, briefly allowing himself to smile with satisfaction. Poor kid. I'd hate to be Divine. Kestrel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:43:01 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: IN>Roles?? I am very new to the list/digest, so forgive me if the question has already been answered... There seems to be two versions of the cost of a Role. p. 43, 4th paragraph under "Roles": "multiply status by level, and divide the result by two. So, for instance, a Status 4 Role, at Level 6, costs 12 points." p. 72, very first paragraph: "All roles cost 2 character points per Resource level, plus 2 points per level (above Level 1) for the appropriate Status (p.43)." The problem is that if you take the example given above (a Status 4 Role, at Level 6), and use p. 43, you do get 12 points, as the rule states. If you use p. 72, you get a cost of 18 points: (Status 4 - 1) * 2 + Role 6 * 2 = 6 + 12 = 18 points. Which one is right? None of the characters given in the book give costs for any of their Resources, so they can't be used as examples. Please, send any response to my personal e-mail address as well as to the digest. I'm still working on reading Digest #53 (and we're up to 71 already!). Competitor for Asmodeus (who would make a great Rules Lawyer!), Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us "I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed A wound that will not heal A heart that cannot feel Hoping that the horror will recede Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be free." --Rush, "Red Sector A" (Lee/Lifeson/Peart) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 04:30:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael C. Nutt" Subject: Re: IN> Demon Prince Suggestion Thany wrote: >On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Andrew Getting wrote: > >> There was a Demon Prince of Procrastination. Haagenti met up with him. > >*burp* >How about a Demon Prince of Apathy? (I volunteer) If you volunteer, you're obviously *not* furthering the Word of Apathy, and are thus disqualified. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 04:04:10 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Demon Prince Suggestion On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Michael C. Nutt wrote: > Thany wrote: > If you volunteer, you're obviously *not* furthering the Word of > Apathy, and are thus disqualified. Damn. Foiled on a technicality. "I'm sodding not, I'm People Covered In Fish." > Michael - -- "Moments ago, I had everything; Now, I have a cow in my nose. This state will continue forever Because I opened the stupid door." - _La Salla_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:35:32 -0500 From: Neil Goldman Subject: IN> hello well I've been on the list for awile but I never bothered to write a message so now I am hello everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:48:23 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> Stupid Joke...possible repeat I heard a good joke at last night's gaming session, and I wanted to share it with the list. I don't know if it was posted on this list earlier or not, so just bear with me. My memory is a little fuzzy about some of the humour that has been passed on, so I'm sorry if it has been here before... It seems that there was a Pope who was loved by one and all. He was considered by members of all faiths to be a gracious, kind, giving, compassionate man, who was basically the best that all humankind had to offer. A scholar of great achievement, he was well known for his various interpretations of ancient texts of the Bible, and his ability to quote literally thousands of pages from memory. Unfortunately, his time came, and he passed on from this veil of tears, into the great Beyond. St. Peter met him at the pearly gates, and welcomed him with open arms. St. Peter told the pope that a man as beloved as he was had full run of heaven. "Feel free to go wherever you want, do whatever you want. You know, I might be able to even arrange a personal meeting with the Creator if you really wanted me to ..." "No, that's all right", the Pope replied. "What I really want is to visit Yves Library, and look at the unsullied, unmarred ancient texts. Copies of the Word before it was changed through time, politics, and the influence of other Earthly powers." So, the Pope was shown to Yves library, and with a light heart he sat down to do a little reading for the next few centuries. About a week later, Heaven was shaken to its very foundations by a blood-curtling scream of anguish, emanating from the walls of Yves library. Yves came running to check it out, followed soon after by St. Peter, various archangels, and most of the local population. "There's an 'R' !!!" the Pope was screaming, pointing to a book. "There's an 'R' !!!" he sat down with a dull look in his eyes. "... It says ... celebRate!!!" ___________________ Sorry if its a repeat... but I had to share. Thanks for your indulgence. Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Nicholas Copernicus, Master Astronomer Stood up and Shouted, addressing the throng, "Abandon poor Ptolomy, Stand up and follow me, Heliocentrically, Ptolomy's Wrong!!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:56:41 -0600 (CST) From: s012433@umslvma.umsl.edu (Brian Gracey) Subject: IN>The Seductions of Night I still need players folks. I have one, and have begun with his prelude, but I need at least two or three more to make the game truly interesting...join up, it's fun, I promise... All Sanvi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brian Gracey | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 97 10:14:29 -0600 (CST) From: kestre1@airmail.net (Andrew Getting) Subject: Re: IN> Stupid Joke...possible repeat At 08:48 AM 3/15/97 +0000, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: >"There's an 'R' !!!" the Pope was screaming, pointing to a book. >"There's an 'R' !!!" he sat down with a dull look in his eyes. > >"... It says ... celebRate!!!" > >___________________ >Sorry if its a repeat... but I had to share. Thanks for your >indulgence. Old joke, new twist. Thanks ;> Kestrel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:15:28 -0500 From: Neil Goldman Subject: Re: IN> Stupid Joke...possible repeat Bodhi wrote: > > I heard a good joke at last night's gaming session, and I wanted to > share it with the list. I don't know if it was posted on this list > earlier or not, so just bear with me. My memory is a little fuzzy > about some of the humour that has been passed on, so I'm sorry if it > has been here before... > > It seems that there was a Pope who was loved by one and all. He was > considered by members of all faiths to be a gracious, kind, giving, > compassionate man, who was basically the best that all humankind had > to offer. A scholar of great achievement, he was well known for his > various interpretations of ancient texts of the Bible, and his > ability to quote literally thousands of pages from memory. > > Unfortunately, his time came, and he passed on from this veil of > tears, into the great Beyond. > > St. Peter met him at the pearly gates, and welcomed him with open > arms. St. Peter told the pope that a man as beloved as he was had > full run of heaven. "Feel free to go wherever you want, do whatever > you want. You know, I might be able to even arrange a personal > meeting with the Creator if you really wanted me to ..." > > "No, that's all right", the Pope replied. "What I really want is to > visit Yves Library, and look at the unsullied, unmarred ancient > texts. Copies of the Word before it was changed through time, > politics, and the influence of other Earthly powers." > > So, the Pope was shown to Yves library, and with a light heart he sat > down to do a little reading for the next few centuries. > > About a week later, Heaven was shaken to its very foundations by a > blood-curtling scream of anguish, emanating from the walls of Yves > library. Yves came running to check it out, followed soon after by > St. Peter, various archangels, and most of the local population. > > "There's an 'R' !!!" the Pope was screaming, pointing to a book. > "There's an 'R' !!!" he sat down with a dull look in his eyes. > > "... It says ... celebRate!!!" > > ___________________ > Sorry if its a repeat... but I had to share. Thanks for your > indulgence. > > Walk in Beauty, > > Rob Wolff / Bodhi > rob@v-wave.com > > Nicholas Copernicus, Master Astronomer > Stood up and Shouted, addressing the throng, > "Abandon poor Ptolomy, Stand up and follow me, > Heliocentrically, Ptolomy's Wrong!!" Huh I don't get it am I the only one or is this just really stupid ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #72 ****************************** The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.