From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Mar 19 16:38:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00542; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:15:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20541 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:18:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:18:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199703192218.QAA20541@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #80 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 080 In this digest: IN> double talk (apology) Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Musical Words IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> IN + The Primal Order: RPing Superiors? Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> Re: Magic Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant? Re: IN> Safe Houses Re: IN> Safe Houses Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant? Re: IN> Archangel of Music (Part 2) Re: IN> In Search Of... Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> Musical Words IN> [Who's Who In Hell] Frank, Impudite Knight of Lust Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! Re: IN> Archangel of Music (Part 2) Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> [Who's Who In Hell] Frank, Impudite Knight of Lust IN> Re: Magic Re: IN> Archangel of Music (Part 2) Re: IN> Angel of Music Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant? Re: IN> In Search Of... Re: IN> Angel of Music IN> just checking... IN> Celestial Auction Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant IN> New Demon Prince (part 1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:12:12 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: IN> double talk (apology) Sorry for the double sending of that last post, my mailer wigged out on me... hope it doesn't bother anyone...;) Question: Would a Calabim of Haagenti be a glutton for punishment??? HAHAH nevermind, it was a joke at a game session... Brian Emord Shedim of Vapula Whose word is "Industrial Espionage" - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:00:56 -0500 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music > I dislike that idea becuase it's too subjective. Who's to say where >you draw the line on 'nice' music and 'bad' music, when the effects are >mainly in the listener. > Anyway, I like to think of myself as a nice guy, but most of my tastes >in music would lie with the Devil... Not to mention deliberate attempts at blurring thos lines, like Christian heavy metal and industrial music... Anyone heard "Jesus Freak" on their local alternative station? -Loki (who likes the Prodigal Sons) - -- Kirt "Loki" Dankmyer PGP key avail. My opinions are my own. love * Eris * RPGs * Anime * Magick * Carroll * techno * hats * cats * Dada I waked, she fled, and day brought back my night. --Milton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:22:46 -0600 (CST) From: Corey Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music Well yes "Jesus Freak" is an attempt to close the gap, and "use the enemy's tools", but the Contemporary Christian Rock movement is frowned on moreso than it's accepted in what I've seen, anybody else remember the band "Stryper"? I heard the tongues of angels And the tongues of men Wasn't any differences to me Bob Dylan "Dignity" On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki wrote: > > I dislike that idea becuase it's too subjective. Who's to say where > >you draw the line on 'nice' music and 'bad' music, when the effects are > >mainly in the listener. > > Anyway, I like to think of myself as a nice guy, but most of my tastes > >in music would lie with the Devil... > > Not to mention deliberate attempts at blurring thos lines, like Christian > heavy metal and industrial music... Anyone heard "Jesus Freak" on their > local alternative station? > -Loki (who likes the Prodigal Sons) > > > -- > Kirt "Loki" Dankmyer PGP key avail. My opinions are my own. > love * Eris * RPGs * Anime * Magick * Carroll * techno * hats * cats * Dada > I waked, she fled, and day brought back my night. --Milton > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:56:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Musical Words At 1:24 AM +0000 3/19/97, Bodhi wrote: >Moriah wrote... > >> We all know who is bound to 'Music' -- it is Barry Manilow. He *is* Music >> and he writes the Songs. > >Well, now it is finally settled. Moriah is definitely a Diabolical. >Nobody even remotely understanding the Idealistic concepts of >Truth, Beauty and Goodness could say something like this ;-) > >Beware, my friends. Beware!!! That's a comment that I had, though I'd forgotten (mercifully?) the singer -- someone with a Singing skill so high that she could sing Barry Manilow songs, and *make the audiance like it*! (Some of the songs aren't that bad, just... worn out. Outdated. I don't think the "Killing me Softly" rap I heard once was necessarily a good thing, though it certainly had more character than the original's left...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:08:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... and/or why Seraphim and Balseraphs play violins -- I was thinking of this song, and what do you know, it *started*! "The Devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal 'Cause he was way behind and was ready to make a deal." [...] "The Devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat, and he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet." (I must acquire this song on tape sometime. I wish I'd been listening close enough to know if they even gave the name... *sigh* Anybody know enough of the details for me to pick up an old song on tape somewhere?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:28:42 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... McCoy: "(I must acquire this song on tape sometime. I wish I'd been listening close enough to know if they even gave the name... *sigh* Anybody know enough of the details for me to pick up an old song on tape somewhere?)" Yeah...I believe it's by the Charlie Daniel's Band and it's called "Devil went Down to Georgia". Ask your local country-music station and I'm sure they'll play it for you, again. yours, devil's in da house of da rising sun, - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:32:48 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> IN + The Primal Order: RPing Superiors? @@ I have TPO and the three expansions that were put out for it. Not sure how well the power system as described in the main book would work with IN, but it is an interesting read. The three supliments are "Chessboards: The Planes of Possibility", "Pawns:The Opening Move", and "Knights: Strategies in Motion" Chessboards is a book on desighning alternate planes of existance. Not the most useful book for a standard IN game, but if you are going to be doing serious playing in either the Marches, or peoples dreams, it could prove a vary valuable resource. Pawns is a book of servants of the gods. this is another book that could prove of interest in either the Marches or dream. Be warned though these are some serious kick ass monsters. Thought on second thought some of the less powerful creatures could be interesting as nemesis/alies for more powerful caracters. Knights is probably the one that would prove to be of greatest use to the standard campaighn. It contains three heiarchies for fantasy deities (Combat, Death, and Magic), but could be manipulated with a little effort into either angelic, or demonic courts. It aslo gives a good idea of a celestial beuracracy. Hope this helps, if not Oh WaH Shadowcat All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:49:48 -0600 (CST) From: Corey Subject: Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Yeah thats the Charlie Daniels Band, check for his greatest hits, probably in the bargain tapes section I heard the tongues of angels And the tongues of men Wasn't any differences to me Bob Dylan "Dignity" On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > and/or why Seraphim and Balseraphs play violins -- I was thinking > of this song, and what do you know, it *started*! > > "The Devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal > 'Cause he was way behind and was ready to make a deal." > [...] > "The Devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat, > and he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet." > > (I must acquire this song on tape sometime. I wish I'd been listening > close enough to know if they even gave the name... *sigh* Anybody > know enough of the details for me to pick up an old song on tape > somewhere?) > > > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net > GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:53:11 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Re: Magic On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Q (not from Star Trek) wrote: > Now, let me make it clear that it is not my opinion that rl magic is > inherently evil in itself, or that any who practice or attempt to > practice it are tools of the devil, I just think that the following > outline would be a cool way to work magic into a campaign and which fits > well with the world of In Nomine. I don't mean it as a critique of > anyone's religion (i believe we do have a few Wicca here). I can say there is at least one Wiccan, Me. I understand where the idea comes from, I am also a reformed baptist, but i don't agree with it. Two possabilities are. A) God doesn't necesarily hold the Big Three as the only right ways, no matter what they may think. He also allows some wiccans, and other practitioners to have songs the same as you descibed them for the black macicians. B) the abilities that of some practionaners are granted by the Other Gods, those that are "Hiding" in the marches. Now granted my second option will depend on what we discover about the Marches in the future, but it is a good therie for now. Blessed Be Shadowcat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:07:58 -0800 (PST) From: Anders Swenson Subject: Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant? > > Archangels are supposed to be nobler in spirit. I see them as willing to > *help* a celestial who has suffered grievously in the name of the Cause. I > personally like the idea that a Remnant just wouldn't be the *same* person, > once he had Celestial forces restored to him, as what made him the unique > person he once was is gone, forever. What makes you think that the Arcc angels are any nobler then the Princes... Especially ones like Launance or Domonic, or even Janus (the two faced god...) I think that the main differance between the sides is political more then any thing else yes, God cursed thoes who chose to rebel against His Plan. Rather like What happenae to dissidendts in the Soviet Union... Hell is hot rather then cold, but, it is still rather like a gulag otherwise. However both sides have the same kinds of Disonance and in general Have more in common then not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:00:46 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > Yes, but I live in Australia, where no one ever goes to museums or art > galleries, and no one bothers to put a pub somewhere interesting like > that... Try making it to Gen-Con this year, I am sure that there are a number of folks who would show you the fun sights of Milwaukee, Including the brewries if you are interested. This brings two interesting things to mind. 1) How many folks are planning to be at Gen-Con this year? 2) is there an Angel/Demon of booze? Shadowcat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:39:28 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Shadowcat wrote: > This brings two interesting things to mind. > 1) How many folks are planning to be at Gen-Con this year? > no sorry can't make it... > 2) is there an Angel/Demon of booze? > Well considering that Noah was the man to 'invent' fermentation i would be inclined to say that there are a little of both. a demon (maybe under Vapula or Kobal) and an angel (hrmm, dunno...) would both be mildly appropriate to any extent... IMHO of course... Brian Emord Shedim of Kobal Whose word is Public Drunkeness Don't people say the funniest things when they are drunk??? - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:42:47 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... On Mar 19, 12:08pm, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Subject: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... > and/or why Seraphim and Balseraphs play violins -- I was thinking > of this song, and what do you know, it *started*! > > "The Devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal > 'Cause he was way behind and was ready to make a deal." > [...] > "The Devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat, > and he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet." > > (I must acquire this song on tape sometime. I wish I'd been listening > close enough to know if they even gave the name... *sigh* Anybody > know enough of the details for me to pick up an old song on tape > somewhere?) I think that was the Charlie Daniels Band. You can pick it up at any major store (or they'll order it for you). This song was _definitely_ started by the dark side to convince people they could outwit the infernal and 'lose their soul' when they lost. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:44:28 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant? "What makes you think that the Arcc angels are any nobler then the Princes..." The IN book tries to represent them as nobler. I wish it did a better job of it, but it is still trying. "However both sides have the same kinds of Disonance and in general Have more in common then not." That's natural when one is derived from the other (via the Fall). Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:05:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Music (Part 2) At 11:31 AM +0000 3/19/97, Leathal Weapon wrote: [...] >BASIC RIGHTS. ("Psst, it's "Rites", not "Rights" -- from the same roots as "Rituals," I believe. --this message brought to you by the Angel of Grammer; it is dissonant to overlook bad useage... O;> ) >James, Follower of Melody, Angel of Digital Recodings. >Elvis, Follower of Melody, Angel of Rock and Roll. >Julie, Follwer of Melody, Angel of Live Performances. Maybe this should be "Julia" -- as in Julia Ecklar, of the absolutely divine voice and talent... (A filker, primarily.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:20:40 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> In Search Of... On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Raoul Duke wrote: > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Thany wrote: > > Many a true word... hence, the subject line has been made more > > appropriate in case a discussion should follow. > Which it has. Now that someone's stroked my ego by replying (okay, so > I'm easy to please), I'll get out that textbook and post exactly what it said > tomorrow. Cool. Uh, wait a minute. Stroked your ego?? You mean stoked, of course... right? > I'm not sure if your parenthetical comment refers to Nybbas's "divine" ruse > or to inventing TV as a whole. His ruse. It seems to me that he would have done that to insure that whatever blame given to TV would be on the heads of the Holy, but most people who find celestial faults in television blame them on the Diabolical anyway (most of these, however, are Fundamentalists, and I'm still not sure about them). > Let's face it; TV has its good points but is definitely a feather in > Nybbas's cap. From where I sit, it IS his cap, really. > Nybbas is probably my fave Prince, being a prospective journalist... I > can understand why Lucifer would grant Nybbas a Princedom, but why over > the Media in general? Didn't anyone have a hand in perverting print and > radio? If there were Demons of Radio or Newspapers (or the Movies), > wouldn't they be a bit cheesed off by Lucifer's handing this upstart the > whole package? Television dominates media, right? So, a Prince of Radio/Newspapers would probably just be taking up space, necessary in their own way but not worth having around as individuals. Much neater and cheaper to drop them and pool it all into the one Prince. > INS (hey, interesting acronym)... Wouldn't it be more likely to come out acronymized as ISO? - -- "Yes! It's me! The one who got in free! If you're looking for someone who got in free, that's me! Yeah! Yeah! Woo yeah!" - Little Dog Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:27:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bolie Williams IV Subject: Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... It's an old country song called (I believe) "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" and I think it's by Johnny Cash, but I'm not certain of that. Bolie IV On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > and/or why Seraphim and Balseraphs play violins -- I was thinking > of this song, and what do you know, it *started*! > > "The Devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal > 'Cause he was way behind and was ready to make a deal." > [...] > "The Devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat, > and he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet." > > (I must acquire this song on tape sometime. I wish I'd been listening > close enough to know if they even gave the name... *sigh* Anybody > know enough of the details for me to pick up an old song on tape > somewhere?) > > > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net > GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bolie Williams IV bolie@io.com http://www.io.com/~bolie/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:28:15 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Musical Words On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Stephen B. Mann wrote: > > We all know who is bound to 'Music' -- it is Barry Manilow. He *is* Music > > and he writes the Songs. > Booo, hissssss! Yeah, really. Hey, whose side would Pink Floyd or Yanni be attuned to (assuming that Yanni can actually be considered music)? - -- "Yes! It's me! The one who got in free! If you're looking for someone who got in free, that's me! Yeah! Yeah! Woo yeah!" - Little Dog Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: IN> [Who's Who In Hell] Frank, Impudite Knight of Lust Yes, I know I promised to write him up as a male Lilim, but the Resonances were just *so* right that I had to change the Band. FRANK N. FURTER Impudite Knight of Lust CORP: 2 (STR 3, AGL 5) ETHL: 3 (INT 8, PRE 4) CSTL: 4 (WIL 11, PER 5) Vessels: Human/2 (Charisma +3); Human/1 (Role/3,Status/3: Preacher); Human/2 (Role/2,Status/2: Wordsworth, the Butler) Servants: Columbia (Class 4), Rocky (Class 1) Skills: Chemistry/3, Detect Lies/1, Emote/5, Fast-Talk/2, Knowledge (he...has...that...knowledge...)/4, Language (French)/2, Large Weapon (Icepick)/1, Seduction/5, Singing/5 Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/3), Form (Celestial/2: "You?" "I'm afraid so, Brad, but isn't it nice?") Harmony (Corporeal/3: "It's as if we're glued to the spot!" "You are!"), Light (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/5: Instant Audience!), Shields (Celestial/5: How else do you hide an Artifact that big?) Attunements: Impudite of Lust, Knight of Infernal Pleasures, Dark Desire Discord: Angry/1, Lustful/4 [Of course, this is all at the peak of his power. After the events of the movie, he's down one vessel and both servants. Then again, he'll probably have that Discord purged.] The Master (his preferred title) is also the custodian of The Castle, a grand infernal Artifact with all three songs of Projection...it's capable of traveling all over the planet, as well as to Hell and back. THE WHOLE GORY STORY: As the film opens, Frank's research into creation of undead is approaching fruition: he's attempting to build himself the ultimate lover to satisfy his own Discord. Andre's amused by the idea of using undead for such a purpose (it torques off Saminga sufficiently) but is disappointed in his servant for gathering so much Discord; after all, it's a Servitor of Lust's duty to inspire desire, not experience it. Still, Frank has always been a good servant...perhaps he just needs a lesson taught to him... [So, anyone want to see the corresponding Djinn of Asmodeus with the three-pronged Artifact? ;)] yours, at the late-night, double-feature picture show, - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:37:20 -0600 (CST) From: Russ Collins Subject: Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > OOOOH This is a cool idea!!!!! > Angel of Role-Playing Games--Servator of Eli working for Foucault now?? > I'll work on this one...some ideas might be helpful. > Urm---don't you meant the Demon of RPGs? 8-) Russ Collins rgc@io.com "Once one dismisses the rest of all possible worlds, One finds that this is the best of all possible worlds." -- Candide (Berstein, Sondheim) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:50:29 +0000 From: sirilyan@the.link.ca Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Music (Part 2) > >BASIC RIGHTS. > > ("Psst, it's "Rites", not "Rights" -- from the same roots as "Rituals," > I believe. --this message brought to you by the Angel of Grammer; it > is dissonant to overlook bad useage... O;> ) "Psst, you spelled 'grammer' properly," said the Demun of Mispellings; it is disonnant to correctt someone who mispels a werd. (Hm. I see an idea there, believe it or not!) Doug "Sirilyan" Sheppard Fnord! "Only damn fools quote themselves." - D. Sheppard, 1994 But EVERYONE quotes their web page! http://www.link.ca/~sirilyan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 14:54:39 From: "Carmen Clemons" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:52:58 -0500, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > Speaking of songs, has anyone heard 'The Vatican Rag' by >the inspired and talented Tom Lehrer? It's absolutely a riot! I've got it on tape somewhere...great song! I heard somewhere that Lehrer was excommunicated for it...does anyone know if that's true? - --Carmen Clemons This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:57:28 -0500 From: Steve Mann Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music > Speaking of songs, has anyone heard 'The Vatican Rag' by > the inspired and talented Tom Lehrer? It's absolutely a riot! No, how's it go? PS: I *love* Tom's work, especially the Masochism Tango and Poisoning Pigeons in the Park. Steve Mann ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 15:05:59 -0500 From: sven@ll.mit.edu (Sven Skoog) Subject: Re: IN> [Who's Who In Hell] Frank, Impudite Knight of Lust > FRANK N. FURTER > Impudite Knight of Lust You know, when I saw the subject header I thought this might actually be the 'Uncle Frank' from _Hellraiser_. I think the Band and Superior are more or less appropriate... -- S. Skoog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:12:43 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Re: Magic Q (not from Star Trek) wrote: >I don't mean it as a critique of >anyone's religion (i believe we do have a few Wicca here). Practicioner of Enochian Magic here....but that's not really a religeon. Hatcher Rhanyr "The Demonspawed Spellcaster" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:27:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Music (Part 2) At 1:50 PM +0000 3/19/97, sirilyan@the.link.ca wrote: >> >BASIC RIGHTS. >> >> ("Psst, it's "Rites", not "Rights" -- from the same roots as "Rituals," >> I believe. --this message brought to you by the Angel of Grammer; it >> is dissonant to overlook bad useage... O;> ) > >"Psst, you spelled 'grammer' properly," said the Demun of >Mispellings; it is disonnant to correctt someone who mispels a werd. (I can't spell worth beans -- and I was making another comment, totally unrelated. Just sorta passed this on the way down. Maybe being an English Major is a Discord/6...) >(Hm. I see an idea there, believe it or not!) (Of course I do!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:52:41 -0500 From: John Maurer Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music At 02:54 PM 3/19/97, Carmen Clemons wrote: >On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:52:58 -0500, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > >> Speaking of songs, has anyone heard 'The Vatican Rag' by >>the inspired and talented Tom Lehrer? It's absolutely a riot! > >I've got it on tape somewhere...great song! I heard somewhere that >Lehrer was excommunicated for it...does anyone know if that's true? Untrue. Speaks, foiler of Urban Ledgends. "I often find myself rooting for the Apoclypse" -- John Maurer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:03:37 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant? In reply to: > >It might be *very* hard to do, and leave the Archangel vunerable -- > >not only do they have to restore Forces, but they have to do it > >*ON EARTH*! They can't just grab the person and yank them up the > >nearest Tether to work on them in Heaven until they've restored > >at least one Celestial Force. On the other hand, if an Archangel (or his Followers) located a remnant they wished to restore, the first thing the AA would do would be to send several servants to guide the remnant to a tether. Then they could restore them in relative safety. > Well, like I said above, I think he'll look to his defenses first. I don't > imagine there are too many Remnants floating around, either, and since > they're so difficult to trace, they probably get handled on a case-by-case > basis. > I think a lot of it would depend on the Archangel involved. Below are my opinions on each. Blandine- Doesn't leave Marches, wouldn't help remnant. David- Perhaps, but unlikely. Dominic- Only if they were a favoured, loyal and non-dissonant servant. But even then, the echoes generated through the Symphony would probably be enough to keep Dominic away. Eli- If you could locate him, he would probably be happy to re-CREATE his servant. Gabriel- Hmm, not sure. Depends which side of sanity she's on. Janus- Probably not. Jean- Probably not. Jordi- This is an intersting question. Would the remnant forms of Jordi's angels be animals? If not, there's NO chance he will venture to help them unless they make it deep into the wild. If they are animals, they are probably very likely to be restored if they can make it to the wild. Laurence- No. Remnants are casualties of the war. Marc- Only if the Remnant had something valuable to trade.... Michael- Again, casualties of war, so no. Novalis- She may be more inclined to help than others, but I'm not sure if she is willing to make the effort. So I don't know. Yves- No. If an Angel has become revnant, it was probably their Destiny through interacting with the Symphony. Only God and mmaybe Yves would know for sure. ...... and I haven't even considered the Demon Princes. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:05:56 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> In Search Of... In reply to: I can understand why Lucifer > would grant Nybbas a Princedom, but why over the Media in general? Didn't > anyone have a hand in perverting print and radio? If there were Demons of > Radio or Newspapers (or the Movies), wouldn't they be a bit cheesed off by > Lucifer's handing this upstart the whole package? Might be an adventure > seed there, uppity subordinates of Nybbas that are older than he > is, scheming to swipe his authority out from under him. Didn't you read the sign saying 'Hell' when you came in? Lucifer probably did it to create more dissent and friction among his followers, to prevent them from ever effectively challenging him. Just a thought... Leathal Weapon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:39:54 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Music > Speaking of songs, has anyone heard 'The Vatican Rag' by > the inspired and talented Tom Lehrer? It's absolutely a riot! No, how's it go? PS: I *love* Tom's work, especially the Masochism Tango and Poisoning Pigeons in the Park. I wouldn't evern _presume_ to try to repeat it from memory, such would be heresy in the extreme to repeat it. All of Tom's three CDs are still available in any store that will order for you. His monolog at the beginning was along the lines that since the Vatican had gone to vernacular for masses (anything other than latin...), they should update their music as well. ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:43:14 -0600 (CST) From: "The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw" Subject: IN> just checking... is someone collecting all the rules rulings, new superiors, adventure seeds, and suggested changes/errata at web pages? If so, I can make my sysadmin happy and remove that stuff from my mailbox. thanks, matt. "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 97 16:47:05 EST From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Celestial Auction - --- SJ GAMES Auction Info --- Auction Update A couple of unexpected things happened recently in the auction. First, we found out that most of those who bid on the Polish INWO sets were mainly interested in getting new cards . . . because months ago, we thought there would be new cards in the set, and said so on the INWO news page. But the Polish set, as published, includes no new ones. Whoops. Sorry! So all bidders were given the chance to withdraw or scale down their bids, and that auction has been restarted. Second, the bidding for the Angel and Demon hit the stratosphere and was still going. We started feeling self-conscious and contacted all the bidders who were still in it, and made a proposal: we scale back the price to only a little over what we thought might be vaguely reasonable, and everybody wins. Which probably also brings in more, overall, for the webserver. And all five of them agreed, so we're cool on that. New auction stuff will show up Real Soon Now. Again, thanks for the support. -- Steve Jackson ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Lot 7 In Nomine Demon - SOLD to Michael Kosteva and Julia Frizzell for $275 each ______________________________________________________________ Lot 6 In Nomine Angel - SOLD to Frank Lazar, Jayson Howell, and Mike Zebrowski for $275 each ______________________________________________________________ - ----End Forwarded Message(s)---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:03:22 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant I know this is kinda off topic from the way the conversation is going, but wouldn't some demons 'hunt' down remnants and torture them and that kinda thing for the sheer fact that these WERE angels or even demons they didn't like... think about it seriously, these are the other side, you have little to no moral objection to beating someone to pulp, except that whole 'noise' thing, and now here you have an old enemy who doesn't 'echo' when hit... Dunno, soundz like it might happen to me... maybe it will...hehehe...;) Demons are Kewl forget that old phrase 'go to hell' use the new and improved: "Welcome to hell..." Brian Emord Calabim of Malphas formerly of Baal Whose word is Gang-warfare - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:45:41 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> New Demon Prince (part 1) Okay, here's my idea for Thrash, the Demon Prince of Music. I don't know if I'm happy with him yet, but he seems to compliment Melody well... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ THRASH - DEMON PRINCE OF MUSIC. Thrash's history more or less echoes that of melody, his Divine counterpart. While faithfully serving Malphasas a good little Impudite, Thrash too noticed that humans were becoming enamoured with music and requested that he be assigned a Word in order to pervert the music to Hell's cause. Hell had not yet realised the potential of music for anything greater than inspiring armies, and denied Thrash his wish. Thrash was disgruntled but continued to serve his master. He periodically sent requests to the Powers-That-Be, but he was continually turned down. He was careful not to make these requests too frequently, and only after he had pleased his master, lest those powers mightier than he decided to punish him. As the free-love movement started, Hell saw it as a victory for their cause, until they realised that the ideas of peace and love were being promoted, largely through music. Horrified, they at last agreed to Thrash's request and appointed him Demon of Music, although the attempt was largely damage control, Hell was sure that Heaven had overwhelmingly won this battle. Thrash was faced with an enormous task, and it was alsmost entirely luck (and a little skill) that gave him his break. Thrash was able to find some groups who wanted to take the hippie movement further and extend it to bring the downfall of society and governments so that people could truly be 'free'. Thrash perverted these groups, creating thhe punk movement, and launched this assault at Melody, his far more powerful opponent. He didn't stop there and within the space of a few years had managed to turn groups and musicians in every aspect of music towards Hell's goals. Although Melody had suffered a setback, she still had far more resources than he and was starting to use them against him. With this knowledge Thrash returned to Hell and petitioned Lucifer himself for the resources necessary to fight an Archangel and her Followers. It was an extremely risky gamble, with the outcome likely to be Thrash's destruction for his presumptuousness in demanding a favour from Lucifer. However, Lucifer was annoyed that Hell had taken so long to enter the world of music as a battle front, and made Thrash the Demon Prince of Music then and there. Thrash now had the resources to fight his enemy. However, the politics of Hell could not be ignored, annd Thrash is still largely inexperienced in such things and spends much of his time maneuvering against the other Demon Princes. He has had a rather equal balance of power with Melody for some time now, but she has recently extended her influence and seems to be taking the high ground in the music war, something Thrash is determined to stop. DISSONANCE. It is Dissonant for any of Thrash's followers to stop any music being played, directly or indirectly. Note that pausing or interrupting music in order to, for example, join in, is not considered to be stopping the music. BAND ATTUNEMENTS. (Note that 'Band' below may refer to a single musician or a group). Those bands influenced by Thrash are no less successful than those of Melody, although Thrash's bands tend to have a far darker view of life. BALSERAPHS- Masters of scandal, the Balseraphs seem to attract media attention, and are always trusted as an 'inside source'. Basically, the Demon can make up any scandalous lie about the band and it will be believed and reported to be 100% true. This generally makes the band members very depressed, which can be heard in their music, but it greatly increases their reputation with the fans. DJINN- Once a Djinn has attached itself to a band, all sorts of trouble seems to follow the hapless members. Death threats, stalkers, harrassing phone calls and more are attracted to them, but don't worry, the faithful Djinn always seems to be there to stop it, protecting thhe bband and felling needed. So occassionally a few things get by and a band member gets hurt, so what? At least the Djinn protected the others and fells good about itself. CALABIM- The destructive impulses of the Calabim may be unleashed on the band. During any performance, the band will be urged to smash instruments, break equipment and be destructive. This drives the fans into a frenzy where they will probably try to break things as well, and will be more inclined to violence and vandalism after the performance (GMs decision). HABBALAH- Much like their Elohim counterparts, Habbalah make 'good' managers. They can see which path would lead the band to greatness, but only if that path involves the sacrifice of something the band treasures to the causes of Hell. This gift if largely GMs discretion, but bands with a Habbalah manager are usually hugely successful, but leave behind a trail of broken marriages, drug abuse charges and sexual harrasment claims. LILIM- Even if the Lilim never goes near the band members, rumours and media will place the Demon right at the heart of any scandal involving the band. The Demon will suffer no repurcussions from these rumours, being the 'innocent victim', but wives, girlfriends, husbands or anyone else will grow extremely angry and jealous, and will not believe the band members when they claim not to know the Lilim. This of course leads them to become more devoted to the music and write darker lyrics. SHEDIM- Once a Shedim has possessed a member of a band, any fans of that band may be automatically possessed. Also, any roll made while the Demon uses the fan's body has the Demon's original possession check digit added to the target number. The Demon must possess a band member at least once a week for this power to stay in effect. With the destructive impules this Demon creates, it moves from band to band very quickly. IMPUDITES- These Demons love music, and they love music fans. An Impudite can steal Essence from any human listening to Hell inspired music (GMs decision) simply with a light touch, without having to charm the victim first. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- To be continued. Leath. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #80 ****************************** The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.