From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Mar 19 23:01:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24516; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:00:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17446 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:04:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:04:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199703200504.XAA17446@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #81 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 081 In this digest: Re: IN> Celestial Auction Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! Re: IN> Fundamentalists IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... IN> New Demon Prince (Part 2) Re: IN> Safe Houses IN> New Demon (long) Re: IN> just checking... Re: IN> Fundamentalists Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant Re: IN> Gen Con (was Safe Houses) Re: IN> Fundamentalists Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant Re: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... IN> Fundamentalist Manipulation Re: IN> Erikel, The Angel of Music Re: IN> Safe Houses Re: IN> New Demon (long) IN> Servitor names... Re: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... Re: IN> Celestial Auction Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... Re: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... Re: IN> just checking... Re: IN> Re: Magic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Auction Congratulations to all the winners...(I actually think I know one of them). I just hope their Celestials are as good as their checks. :) yours, - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:33:50 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > OOOOH This is a cool idea!!!!! > Angel of Role-Playing Games--Servator of Eli working for Foucault now?? Counteracted by the Demon of GMs. ;) - -- "I know I am. At least...I think I must be." - The Moody Blues, _In the Beginning Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:37:29 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Fundamentalists On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Gregory Littmann wrote: > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Thany wrote: > > Whose side are THEY really on, anyway? > What makes them interesting is that they really are on God's side (which > is quite compatible with them being a tool of the other side). Wait a minute. They're a tool of the Diabolicals on God's side? Like a plant, or what? > Think fundamentalists do more harm than good? Yes. Otherwise, I wouldn't have asked. > Now consider fundamentalist *angels*! Think fundamentalist Archangels (read, Dominic). - -- "I know I am. At least...I think I must be." - The Moody Blues, _In the Beginning Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:43:43 -0500 From: Hatcher Rhanyr Subject: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... Ok folks were here it is coming down to the final touches on the Word-bound Demon of Paranoia....only one problem...what's his name??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! Hatcher Rhanyr "The Demon of Running With Scissors" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:14:40 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> New Demon Prince (Part 2) continued... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS. These are generally similar to those enjoyed by Melody's Followers, as Thrash has based his gifts largely on his nemesis. Perfect Pitch- with a Perception roll, the servant of Thrash may automatically tell if a note is out of tune and by how much. This power also makes them more sensitive to the music of the Symphony, and they may add their Celestial Forces to any test to detect disturbances. Demonic Impulse- the Demon may take any piece of music and fill it with feelings of hatred, violence and selfishness. Despite the actual words (the fans don't want to listen to them anyway) the fans will feel agitated and aggressive and will be more inclined to further Hell's goals. This power requires a Will roll and 1 Essence per thousand people listening. The exact effects are left up to the GM. Followers of Melody hate demons with this power and both can often be sensed at concerts trying to alter the mood of the music. For music with an overly feel-good or peaceful message, a negative modifier may be applied to the target. DISTINCTIONS. Knight of Beat- With a Perception roll these Demons may sense musicians and locate them to pervert their musical dreams of greatness. Captain of Rhythm- By succeeding in a Will roll, these Demons can play any instrument they touch, inspiring jealousy in anyone listening and can even teach this instrument to others if desired (although they must re-make the roll every time they put down the instrument). Baron of Soul- With a Perception roll, these Demons can sense Celestials moving through the Symphony. Followers of Melody are their particular targets, and their Celestial Forces to the target number. RELATIONS. Thrash is treated as little more than an amusing child be most of the other Princes, but generally hasn't made many enemies (that he knows of). He is hostile to Saminga, who takes every opportunity to kill promising musicians. He makes some excellent music videos with Nybbas. Allied- Kobal, Lilith, Malphas, Nybbas. Associated- Andrealphus, Ball, Beleth, Vapula. Neutral- Asmodeus, Belial, Haagenti, Kronos, Valefor. Hostile- Saminga. BASIC RITES. (Happy?) * Listen to an entire record, attend an entire concert or live performance. * Jam with someone for an hour. * Playing your favourite music loud enough to annoy passers-by and others for at least an hour. CHANCE OF INVOCATION. 4- Thrash loves meeting his cool 'groupies', but Hell politics take up a lot of his time and really suck. Modifiers: +1 Any music playing loudly. +2 Disturbing at least one other person with your music. +3 Playing own music to a cool tune that Thrash would love. +4 A concert with up to 1000 people. +5 A concert with 1,000 - 100, 000 people. +6 a concert with over 100,000 people. THRASH'S PRINCIPALITY - The Eternal Nightclub. This dark, smokey and loud place is bigger and louder than the largest, noisiest nightclub on Earth. Music plays non-stop, echoes of the most demonic music on Earth. Demons occassionally get up on stage and play, even rarer Thrash has a jam. The human souls here feel the need to dance whenever the music plays, and the music never stops. Every day they must pay a 'cover charge' of all their Essence or they get thrown out by bouncer demons. No-one knows what's outside, but no-one ever returns, except the Demons. Demons have the nack of speaking normally despite the noise, but if a human wishes to be heard they have to shout at the top of their voices, severely hurting their throats in the process. Demons can buy drinks at the various bars lining the walls at the cost of 1 Essence. Humans never have enough Essence saved up to buy a drink, so they always feel thirsty. Demon's Hearts are stored on shelves behind the bars, and Demon bartenders stop anyone from touching them. Besides, climbing behind the bar is an offence you can be thrown outside for...... - --------------------------------------------------------------- So there you have it, Melody's enemy. If anyone has any thoughts or comments let me know (please?) Leath. PS Here are some ideas for Word-bound Demons of Thrash. Kylie, Servant of Thrash, Demon of Muzak. Balgrad, Servant of Thrash, Demon of Backmasking. Derek, Servant of Thrash, Demon of Music Videos. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 17:44 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses > 1) How many folks are planning to be at Gen-Con this year? Elizabeth and I will be there -- I'm running a bunch of GURPS IOU games. No In Nomine, though. Maybe next year.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 17:56:31 From: "Carmen Clemons" Subject: IN> New Demon (long) On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:50:29 +0000, sirilyan@the.link.ca wrote: >"Psst, you spelled 'grammer' properly," said the Demun of >Mispellings; it is disonnant to correctt someone who mispels a werd. > >(Hm. I see an idea there, believe it or not!) Actually, he already exists. *grin* According to my copy of _Medieval Calligraphy: Its History and Technique_ by Marc Drogin (ISBN 0-486-26142-5 if anyone really cares), his name is Titivillus. Apparently, he started out collecting verbal mistakes made by monks during services, then started collecting mistakes they made in the scriptorium. He takes these mistakes to Lucifer, who has them all recorded in a big book so he can bring it out and let God know about it on the Day of Judgement. Well, after this story got around, the monks were a lot more careful about their copying, so he had trouble finding enough mistakes to fill his bag for a while. But in the fifteenth century, he apparently got a bright idea - he might not have been able to find mistakes in the first editions of some texts, but he could entice the scribes who made copies for the universities to make hundreds of them. This worked beautifully. The scribes made hordes of mistakes, and denied all responsibility, claiming Titivillus made them goof. So the demon became their patron instead of their pest, because he took the blame. After the invention of the printing press, he really had a field day. In 1561, _Anatomy of the Mass_, a 172 page document, had 15 pages of errata. The monk who edited it said the enormous number of errors said the devil caused the printer to make the mistakes after somehow getting the manuscript soaked in a kennel. (I don't even want to know how that happened.) However, that was a mere pittance. His masterpiece was a printing of the Vulgate Bible ordered by Pope Sixtus V. The pope issued a papal bull automatically excommunicating any printer who altered the text, and he inspected each sheet as it came off the press. However, the finished product was so bad that corrections had to be printed, cut out, and pasted over mistakes in every single copy. Sixtus V had to have all the copies returned and destroyed, but according to my book, "at least one, though, reportedly has been preserved as a testament to Titivillus' handiwork." For In Nomine, I'd say Titivillus has had a hand in the recent popularity of internet communications. Although not responsible for the creation of the internet, he immediately saw the potential to further his Word. Titivillus has spawned newsgroups, mailing lists, IRC discussions, and MU*'s. In the past few years, his records (which have long since been transferred to computer) have swelled at an incredible rate. His chief enemy is Leorel, the Angel of Spellcheckers. Although he originally worked for Vapula, he switched loyalties when Nybbas was promoted. Titivillus's vessel is a man in his late thirties of middling appearance, although he often employs the Song of Possession. Quote: [online] "Oops, s0rry abouy the t7pos." Titivillus The Demon of Misspelling Balseraph Baron of the Media Corporeal Forces 4 (Strength 8, Agility 8) Ethereal Forces 5 (Intelligence 8, Precision 12) Celestial Forces 5 (Will 10, Perception 10) Vessel: Human/6 Songs: Charm(Celestial)/6, Form(Ethereal)/4, Possession/5, Tongues(Corporeal)/4 Skills: Artistry(Calligraphy)/6, Computer Operation/5, Fast-Talk/5, Knowledge(Church)/6 Attunements: Balseraph of the Media, Baron of the Fourth Estate, Subliminal Special Rite: Titivillus gains 1 Essence whenever he participates in an exchange where another person misspells something. In the case of print media, this could be a letter. In the case of an online discussion, he must remain online for at least an hour. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:11:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> just checking... At 3:43 PM -0600 3/19/97, The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw wrote: >is someone collecting all the rules rulings, new superiors, adventure >seeds, and suggested changes/errata at web pages? If so, I can make my >sysadmin happy and remove that stuff from my mailbox. Adventure seeds seem to be collecting at http://www.nocturne.org/inc/ . New Superiors and characters are collecting both there and on my pages. I think Nocturne may have rules-rulings there as well -- check it out. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:19:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fundamentalists At 4:37 PM -0600 3/19/97, Thany wrote: >On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Gregory Littmann wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Thany wrote: > >> > Whose side are THEY really on, anyway? > >> What makes them interesting is that they really are on God's side (which >> is quite compatible with them being a tool of the other side). > >Wait a minute. They're a tool of the Diabolicals on God's side? Like a >plant, or what? Nah -- easy to manipulate. You whisper in their ears that something perfectly fine is "demonic," get them all wound up about it (Habbalah territory, sure thing), point them in the right direction and let them go. (Sort of like how I clip Julicat's claws, get her annoyed doing it, and let her down -- she promptly runs over to the nearest other cat and hits him in the face.) So while the Fundies may be on God's side (for some value of that), the demons find them easy enough to manipulate to furthering goals of hatred and selfishness. While the angels assigned to protect that flock start tearing their celestial hair out in tufts. (Why else do you think Elohim are bald? It's a reminder not to get frustrated...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 18:14:44 From: "Carmen Clemons" Subject: Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:03:22 -0600 (CST), Brian Emord wrote: >I know this is kinda off topic from the way the conversation is going, >but wouldn't some demons 'hunt' down remnants and torture them and that >kinda thing for the sheer fact that these WERE angels or even demons they >didn't like... >think about it seriously, these are the other side, you have little to no >moral objection to beating someone to pulp, except that whole 'noise' >thing, and now here you have an old enemy who doesn't 'echo' when hit... >Dunno, soundz like it might happen to me... >maybe it will...hehehe...;) Actually, I think some demons might want to restore remnants from the other side. Assuming: 1. It is possible to restore a remnant. 2. The former remnant would retain at least some of the memories of its life before becoming a remnant. 3. The former remnant would have a personality that differs from the one it had before becoming a remnant, since the Celestial soul would be replaced. Certain demons might want to make the effort. Say, for example, you're one of Baal's servitors, and you happen to stumble upon a remnant who was once one of Laurence's top generals. He might not be able to access his Celestial memory now, but if you can give him a new soul, enabling him to understand the memories locked in his head, you might just be able to get hold of some of Laurence's plans. I think Baal might find this an interesting prospect. Of course, a similar situation might exist in the case of angels who found the remnant of a demon. - --Carmen This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:22:52 -0600 (CST) From: Corey Subject: Re: IN> Gen Con (was Safe Houses) I'm gonna try to be there, depending on whether or not I have any money I heard the tongues of angels And the tongues of men Wasn't any differences to me Bob Dylan "Dignity" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 18:38:45 From: "Carmen Clemons" Subject: Re: IN> Fundamentalists On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:37:29 -0600 (CST), Thany wrote: >> What makes them interesting is that they really are on God's side (which >> is quite compatible with them being a tool of the other side). > >Wait a minute. They're a tool of the Diabolicals on God's side? Like a >plant, or what? Maybe they really are on God's side, as either witting or unwitting Soldiers of Dominic. However, the Diabolicals have learned to use the fundamentalists' attitudes to further their own agendas. For example, Thrash is sponsoring a new rock band. Their music suits his needs perfectly, but no one knows about them. Thrash has a copy of their album sent to some fundamentalist who has access to the media. Said fundamentalist loudly goes on record saying this band is the most satanic thing since AD&D. *grin* The next day, album sales have gone up a thousand percent, Thrash is walking around Hell with a big grin on his face, and Melody is tearing her hair out. - --Carmen This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:13:04 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Restoring a Remnant In reply to: > think about it seriously, these are the other side, you have little to no > moral objection to beating someone to pulp, except that whole 'noise' > thing, and now here you have an old enemy who doesn't 'echo' when hit... > Dunno, soundz like it might happen to me... > maybe it will...hehehe...;) The only problem I have with it is what happens when a remnant is 'born'? In my mind, when a celestial has their forces stripped and becomes a remnant, the Symphony embraces them as humans. Therefore, any damage done to them acts as if it's damage to a human, and causes big echoes. The other possibility is that they automatically get a high level Role, which attunes them to the Symphony and makes it extra hard for celestials to find them. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:16:33 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... A comment on: > Ok folks were here it is coming down to the final touches on the > Word-bound Demon of Paranoia....only one problem...what's his name??? > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! The Unnamed One: Demon of Paranoia. This Demon is so paranoid (and living in Hell, who wouldn't be?) that he believes that anyone knowing his true name can use it to control him. Towards this end, he makes up any name to anyone he meets on a whim (he's currently calling himself Harold, for the hell of it). He will NEVER, under any circumstances, tell anyone his true name (his master knows it (probably Kobal, who appreciates the joke). So to all intents and purposes he is literally "The Unnamed One". Just my idea.. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:52:27 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: IN> Fundamentalist Manipulation One interesting example of this phenomenon comes from the early American gothic novel, "Wieland", by Charles Brockden Brown. In it, Wieland is the patriarch of a family of upright, moral early-American citizens. However, throughout the course of the book, he descends into madness, and on one fateful night, after believing that the Lord has visited him and given him an order, he murders his family in cold blood. Now, it turns out that the man was being manipulated (or at least, that is part of the subtext of the book) by a mere human vagrant. However, it does nothing to lessen the impact of such a potential for violence. As well, he goes to his death firmly believing that he will go to heaven and be rewarded by the Almighty for Faithfully following God's orders, without question or a second-thought! When one firmly believes that one is doing the Lord's work, one can do unspeakable things. If one (perhaps incorrectly) assumes that the ends justify the means, then ANYTHING is allowed so long as the net benefits are for the Greater Glory of God. In one of my sessions, the demons have appeared to a fanatically fundamentalist pair of brothers, convinced them that they are holy messengers, and ordered them to go on a spree of "righteous violence". Unfortunately, the fictitious adventure seed is not so very far from the truth. People are killed by well-meaning anti-abortionists ('well meaning' in that they think they are working for the side of Good). However, if you do not advocate Consequentialist Ethical Models (i.e. the ends justify the means) then these people are sewing Evil far more than they are doing Good. Thus, it is easy to see that Diabolicals can manipulate the MOST faithful into doing horrible things, so long as the manipulated mortals believe that they are doing these horrible things for a good cause, and that this justifies their actions. Terrorist bombings. Serial killings. Child sacrifice. Murder. Theft. Arson. How about getting those 'damned homosexuals' out of our nice clean town? An aquaintance of mine often talks about going downtown and 'cleaning house' (a colloquialism referring to beating/killing vagrants and prostitutes). Such acts can easily be brought about by a Diabolical manipulating a FAITHFUL mortal. Many types of faith also call for the participants to "be in the world, but not of the world". Thus, the problems of the world are symptomatic of Satan's influence in our society. Any sorts of activities that don't harm the faithful (read - members of OUR church...) are far more easily forgiven, because the poor lost souls you are hurting are quite literally 'damned' already. If a lesson can be learned through their pain, and other souls saved, then the net balance is acceptable. NOTE: I do not agree with this logic. It is, however, a sad misconception of Fundamentalist Faith that I have had the misfortune of having to deal with in both my Public and Private Avocations. Not all fundamentalists need follow this type of "blind faith of a child... Reason and questioning do not belong to the Faithful" sort of lifestyle. Unfortunately, all too many of them do, to some extent, exhibit this type of anti-social, exclusivist thought pattern. Thus, if any canny Diabolicals are out there, take a lesson from literature. Let your enemy's most Vehement Believers become the Knife that Strikes from Within!! Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com Nicholas Copernicus, Master Astronomer Stood up and Shouted, addressing the throng, "Abandon poor Ptolomy, Stand up and follow me, Heliocentrically, Ptolomy's Wrong!!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:03:33 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Erikel, The Angel of Music John wrote: > > > > Well, the way I see it, Music is Music, whether it's Bach and Handel or > Snoop Doggy Dogg... true - different forms and methods and messages - > but basically, it's meant to strike an emotional/spiritual chord in the > human soul and therefore should be under the domain or Erikel (I like > Ruth, but Erikel just sounds a little more (well, sorry to say -- but) > musical. > > Now I am torn about how a Demon of Music would be worked into this... > The way I see it, it could be either: > a) A Demon who used his influence to destroy musicians and/or > their music (Beethoven's deafness (there's a backfired plan)... the > plane crash of Buddy Holly, et al., the constant drug overdoses of > famous musicians (Jimi, Janis) and so on... > -or- > b) A Demon who used his influence to counter the "good music"... > Townsend smashing his guitar, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Gangsta Rap, and so on. > > I would be more inclined to choose the former simply because the latter > implies too much of a "personal viewpoint of the author" onto the > game... Well, my take would be that the Angel of Music approves and encourages those who perform/produce music for 'good' reasons - education, pure entertainment, expression and communication etc. That leaves out anything like form, style or niceness of lyrics. If you believe that Kurt Cobain was trying to communicate his thoughts and fucked-up world view through his music, then the Angel of Music would be on his side. The Demon, on the other hand, wants to encourage music made for 'bad' reasons. Elevator music. Propaganda anthems. Soulless corporate rock bands with tunes and lyrics esigned by committee. All the things that steal away our pure enjoyment of music and it's power to communicate. Stuff like 'backmasking' would be Demon-inspired - not only the alleged messages themselves (softening up a target for Shedim possession), but the debate itself, which put restrictions on performers and led to bullshit like censoring and 'Parental Approval Required' stickers. That'd be my version of the situation. Disagree at will. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia No prime donna, the perfume is on an old shirt That is stained with blood and whiskey And goodnight to the street sweepers The night watchman, flame keepers And goodnight Matilda too. TOM WAITS, "Tom Traubert's Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:13:02 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Safe Houses Shadowcat wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > > > Yes, but I live in Australia, where no one ever goes to museums or art > > galleries, and no one bothers to put a pub somewhere interesting like > > that... > > Try making it to Gen-Con this year, I am sure that there are a > number of folks who would show you the fun sights of Milwaukee, > Including the brewries if you are interested. Somehow I doubt I'll be managing a quick jaunt overseas, not with my debts. I may be moving to the US next year (or maybe not), and if I do, I will try and check out a few conventions. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia No prime donna, the perfume is on an old shirt That is stained with blood and whiskey And goodnight to the street sweepers The night watchman, flame keepers And goodnight Matilda too. TOM WAITS, "Tom Traubert's Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:20:47 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> New Demon (long) Carmen Clemons wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:50:29 +0000, sirilyan@the.link.ca wrote: > > >"Psst, you spelled 'grammer' properly," said the Demun of > >Mispellings; it is disonnant to correctt someone who mispels a werd. > > > >(Hm. I see an idea there, believe it or not!) > > Actually, he already exists. *grin* According to my copy of _Medieval > Calligraphy: Its History and Technique_ by Marc Drogin (ISBN > 0-486-26142-5 if anyone really cares), his name is Titivillus. > [big snip of background and stats] Now _this_ is cool. This is the kind of thing I can see in IN - celestials who involve themselves subtly and effectively with their Word. And now I have someone to blame when the spelling mistakes and typos become too much to bear... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia No prime donna, the perfume is on an old shirt That is stained with blood and whiskey And goodnight to the street sweepers The night watchman, flame keepers And goodnight Matilda too. TOM WAITS, "Tom Traubert's Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:31:34 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Servitor names... A small selection that I found doing a simpleminded search pattern on the Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary... [This resource is just *too* good!] [These are just the first 5 of each -- if you want my sorted-out version, Email me... For that matter, if you want the full thing, email me. I have it in text and mac-zipped versions. The Nocturne folk ought to have it soon as well.] Servitor of Blandine names Bethshan, Beth-shean, house of the tooth, or of ivory, or of sleep Carshena, a lamb; sleeping Helem, dreaming; healing Janum, sleeping Jashem, Jashen, ancient; sleeping Servitor of David names Abana, made of stone; a building Beth-zur, house of a rock Cephas, a rock or stone Eben-ezer, the stone of help Elizur, God is my strength; my rock; rock of God Servitor of Dominic names Abdon, servant; cloud of judgment Abidan, father of judgment Adoni-zedek, justice of the Lord; lord of justice Ardon, ruling; a judgment of malediction Bedan, according to judgment Servitor of Eli names Ahishar, brother of a prince; brother of a song Antothijah, answers or songs of the Lord; afflictions Araunah, ark; song; joyful cry Bethany, the house of song; the house of affliction Beth-birei, the house of my Creator, the house of my health Servitor of Gabriel names Anaharath, dryness, burning, wrath Ashan, smoke Ashbel, an old fire Ashkenaz, a fire that spreads Baara, a flame; purging Servitors of Janus Aphiah, speaking, blowing Arab, multiplying; sowing sedition; a window; a locust Ashdod, effusion; inclination; theft Elzaphan, God of the northeast wind Genubath, theft; robbery Servitors of Jean Adoni-bezek, the lightning of the Lord; the Lord of lightning Beneberak, sons of lightning Bezek, lightning; in the chains Boanerges, son of thunder Servitors of Jordi Aiah, vulture, raven; an isle; alas, where is it? Arabia, evening; desert; ravens Arad, a wild ass; a dragon Aquila, an eagle Azmaveth, strong death; a he-goat Servitors of Laurence Azaniah, hearing the Lord; the Lord's weapons Bartimeus, son of the honorable Hamath-zobah, the heat, or the wall, of an army Harbonah, his destruction; his sword Helam, their army; their trouble Servitors of Marc Cainan, possessor; purchaser Canaan, merchant; trader; or that humbles and subdues Chittem, those that bruise; gold Dibzahab, Dizahab, where much gold is Gemalli, wares; a camel Servitors of Michael Bahurim, choice; warlike; valiant Lahmam, their bread; their war Lahmi, my bread; my war Lysimachus, scattering the battle Philip, warlike; a lover of horses Servitors of Novalis Abib, green fruit; ears of corn Almon-diblathaim, hidden in a cluster of fig trees Amram, an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn Armageddon, hill of fruits; mountain of Megiddo Apphia, productive; fruitful Servitors of Yves Abidah, father of knowledge Alpheus, a thousand; learned; chief Chilmad, teaching or learning Darda, home of knowledge Deuel, the knowledge of God - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 21:36:39 -0600 (CST) From: kestre1@airmail.net (Andrew Getting) Subject: Re: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... At 05:43 PM 3/19/97 -0500, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: >Ok folks were here it is coming down to the final touches on the >Word-bound Demon of Paranoia....only one problem...what's his name??? >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! Well, to put it bluntly, his name would be Malphas. Fostering paranoia's his job, and one he's good at. Kestrel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 21:37:11 -0600 (CST) From: kestre1@airmail.net (Andrew Getting) Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Auction At 04:47 PM 3/19/97 EST, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: > Lot 7 > > In Nomine Demon - SOLD to Michael Kosteva and Julia Frizzell for > $275 each > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Lot 6 > > In Nomine Angel - SOLD to Frank Lazar, Jayson Howell, and Mike > Zebrowski for $275 each > > ______________________________________________________________ Sheesh. There's most of your computer there. Kestrel, who dropped out at $60... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: Re: IN> Yet another inspiration thought!!!! On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Russ Collins wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > > OOOOH This is a cool idea!!!!! > > Angel of Role-Playing Games--Servator of Eli working for Foucault now?? > > I'll work on this one...some ideas might be helpful. > > > Urm---don't you meant the Demon of RPGs? 8-) > But the real question must be, what RPGs do the different Choirs and Bands play. Ofanim *must* play GURPS - Ofanim are so *flexible*. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:23:02 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > and/or why Seraphim and Balseraphs play violins -- I was thinking > of this song, and what do you know, it *started*! Started? Started on the radio? > "The Devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal > 'Cause he was way behind and was ready to make a deal." > "The Devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat, > and he laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet." "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" or "Devil in the House of the Rising Sun" (I forget which), by Charlie Daniels. One of the few country songs I really like. > (I must acquire this song on tape sometime. I wish I'd been listening > close enough to know if they even gave the name... *sigh* Anybody > know enough of the details for me to pick up an old song on tape > somewhere?) I'd have to dig around a tad, but I know I have it on tape somewhere. Copying it would be the bigger problem... - -- "I know I am. At least...I think I must be." - The Moody Blues, _In the Beginning Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:27:44 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Why Lucifer is a Balseraph... On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Bolie Williams IV wrote: > It's an old country song called (I believe) "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" > and I think it's by Johnny Cash, but I'm not certain of that. Johnny Cash re-did it, and made a sequel song to it ("The Devil Came Back to Georgia", predictably) which was really pretty bad, considering where it came from. - -- "I know I am. At least...I think I must be." - The Moody Blues, _In the Beginning Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:41:00 -0600 (CST) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Working on the Demon of Paranoia..... On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > Ok folks were here it is coming down to the final touches on the > Word-bound Demon of Paranoia....only one problem...what's his name??? > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! Give him a pseudonym; being the Demon of Paranoia, he probably wouldn't give his real name out, anyway. ;) - -- "I know I am. At least...I think I must be." - The Moody Blues, _In the Beginning Disclaimer: I babble. A lot. If you don't understand something I said, don't worry, I probably don't, either. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:00:29 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> just checking... On Mar 19, 3:43pm, \The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw\, wrote: > Subject: IN> just checking... > > is someone collecting all the rules rulings, new superiors, adventure > seeds, and suggested changes/errata at web pages? If so, I can make my > sysadmin happy and remove that stuff from my mailbox. Well, all the official rulings go onto into the FAQ which I maintain, Errata is handled by Hunter Johnson, and Jason Newquist grabs a bunch (possibly all) of the neat ideas that flow past. Look at the following page for all the information: http://www.io.com/sjgames/in-nomine/faq/ - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:00:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Magic On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Shadowcat wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Q (not from Star Trek) wrote: > > Now, let me make it clear that it is not my opinion that rl magic is > > inherently evil in itself, or that any who practice or attempt to > > practice it are tools of the devil, I just think that the following > > outline would be a cool way to work magic into a campaign and which fits > > well with the world of In Nomine. I don't mean it as a critique of > > anyone's religion (i believe we do have a few Wicca here). > > I can say there is at least one Wiccan, Me. I understand where > the idea comes from, I am also a reformed baptist, but i don't agree with > it. Two possabilities are. A) God doesn't necesarily hold the Big Three > as the only right ways, no matter what they may think. I never said that He did. In fact, i specifically mentioned Shamans, Medicine Men and Gurus among the priests and saints so that there would be no confusion. In the system of magic which i have suggested, there are those who recieve their power from God. They know this are completely aware of the fact that without God's blessing, they are powerless. These are the Theurgists, priests, saints, etc, whatever names they call themselves. Their power comes in the spirit of humility as they come humbly forward to ask a boon of the Almighty. I'm sure some wiccans or whatever other pagan religion you care to name fit into this category. OTOH, there are those who try to shape and control the universe using forces they think they understand. the entire belief system behind this practice hinges on the belief that human will has enough power to control the basic forces of nature. In IN, this is obviously not the case, as humans are generally unable to use songs to manipulate the symphony. This power has to come from somewhere. In the case of mages and the like, this power comes from Hell, only the poor mages don't know it. They think they are imposing their will on the universe when, in reality, the opposite is true. The forces of hell continue the charade for several reasons. first, power corrupts. the more the mage becomes used to the power, the more addicted he becomes to it and the more it controls him. second, if the mage found out where his power was really coming from, it might cause him to give it up and switch sides. and lastly, the power is used in the spirit of personal pride and human conceit, which is diametrically opposed to the spirit of humility which is the object of the theurge. These two are radically different views on the source of power, and which view the practitioner of "magic" falls under will determine which side he belongs to. Frankly, I don't know enough about other philosophies or religions to state exactly what these people are called in various world-views, so I have limited them to what i do know. For this reason, I mentioned Medicine Men, Shamans, and Gurus along with priests and saints. If there were some i missed, forgive me. He also allows > some wiccans, and other practitioners to have songs the same as you > descibed them for the black macicians. I didn't specifically describe any of the abilities of black magicians, so i'm not sure exactly what you mean. I _did_ mention necromancers and mad scientists, but i wasn't aware that either of those were wiccan traditions. B) the abilities that of some > practionaners are granted by the Other Gods, those that are "Hiding" in > the marches. For all intents and purposes, according to what we know of IN so far, these other gods are basically powerless. In certain other games, even if, say, a cleric identifies himself as a cleric of YHWH, it doesn't make him any more powerful than any other cleric. In fact, depending on the game and the local pantheon, it might make him powerless, since YHWH doesn't operate in that world. The same should apply within the world of In Nomine. Currently, the only sources of power are God and Lucifer (roughly speaking), so even if one is a worshipper of the Mother Goddess or the Horned God, or whatever, it shouldn't make any difference since IN THE WORLD OF IN NOMINE none of the pagan gods are operating, but are confined to the Marches as constructs of human imagination. Thus, regardless of the philosophy of a particular practitioner of "magic" if his power is not of God, it must be of Lucifer because those are the only two sources of power in existence. Again, this may or may not be my personal view, i am simply working it into a fashion usable with In Nomine. I agree that there may be more information on them in upcoming sourcebooks on the Marches and their occupants. If some of these occupants are endeavoring to come back into power, we must ask one question. What, exactly is their motivation? There are three possibilities. They could be either good, neutral, or evil. A good deity should have no problem sitting back and letting God do the work since they are on the same side. A neutral deity should be interested only in maintaining a balance, which is the current situation, so they should have no reason to want to return to power. An evil deity would want to overthrow God and take over. In this case, the perfect person to go to would be Lucifer, since they have the exact same goals. Even if Lucifer and the other deity were natural enemies, I'm sure they would have no trouble working together while planning to stab each other in the back as soon as the opportunity presented itself. Such is already the case with the Demon Princes. In fact, I would like to point out that at least one of the Demon Princes _is_ a pagan god. Baal was very popular as a deity in the Middle East. I believe i've heard Belial mentioned before as well, but I could be mistaken. I'm certain that these two are not the only demons who were once gods. Adalhualpa(sp?) I believe was the god of the ancient Aztecs who demanded human sacrifices, and there are many others along the same line. At any rate, at least within the In Nomine world, i think it's safe to say that good is of God and evil is of Lucifer. The creators of the game have gone to great lengths to make sure everything is covered. The protectors of forests and nature could easily be Novalis and Jordi, without having to resort to an earth goddess or spirit. I see no reason why the spirits of the Deep Marches should not just remain as inconsequential as they currently are. It certainly wouldn't detract from the game. - -Q - --------------------------------------- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein Scott "Q" Meyer Scott.E.Meyer@wheaton.edu http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #81 ****************************** The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.