From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Apr 5 07:39:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (root@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23192; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 07:38:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03648 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:59:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:59:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199704051259.GAA03648@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #104 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, April 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 104 In this digest: IN> Re: your mail IN> Re: your mail Re: IN> Re: your mail IN> summaries IN> Thoughts on Monotheisms and Philosophies Re: IN> Thoughts on Monotheisms and Philosophies IN> Roman centurion Re: IN> The wandering Roman IN> Friday the 13th IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #103 IN> Know the Enemy Re: IN> Alu-Fiends [was Cain's mom ]-[was Alu-Fiends] IN> request IN> Thoughts on Monotheisms and Philosophies Re: IN> Friday 13th Stuff... Re: IN> Alu-Fiends [was Cain's mom ]-[was Alu-Fiends] Re: IN> Servotor Attunements of Mikey Re: IN> summaries IN> The wandering Roman IN> It's been real... IN> It's been real... Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind RE: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind IN> Sympathy for the Devil IN> List request Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. IN> Lycurgus, Archangel of Sport ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: IN> Re: your mail On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > > >> ...If you want Cains father to be the Captain from Gilligans > > >> Island, I'm sure you can justify it some how. It is a game after > > >> all. the writtten word does not have to the TRUTH in your campaign. > > > > > Actually, he was always called 'Skipper', in my limited reccollection. > > > > What, so does this mean I'm gonna get flamed now for my heretical and > > unconventinal views of Gilligan's Island? :) > > > > Is a Doctor of Giliganistic Studies form the Modern American Institue of Bad > > SitCom gonna put me right on this... > > Actually, he was referred to as, I believe, Jonas Grimby on > one episode. Forgive me if my memory isn't exactly perfect on this, > but this is one of the cooler trivia questions that exist in sitcom-dom. > You are right! I have been trying to remember this ever since this thread came up. I never saw the episode, but I heard it from someone I know who heard it from the actress who played Mary Ann. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Littmann Subject: IN> Re: your mail > > > > > > > >> ...If you want Cains father to be the Captain from Gilligans > > >> Island, I'm sure you can justify it some how. It is a game after > > >> all. the writtten word does not have to the TRUTH in your campaign. > > I forget who wrote this, but its actually a pretty interesting idea. Now mix it with Vampire so that the world is now full of strange clans who can only sustain their immortal existances by hitting mortals with their hats. This lifestyle bothers them, so they dress in black a lot and suffer from much angst. What a great game this would make... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:59:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" Subject: Re: IN> Re: your mail On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Gregory Littmann wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > > > > > >> ...If you want Cains father to be the Captain from Gilligans > > > >> Island, I'm sure you can justify it some how. It is a game after > > > >> all. the writtten word does not have to the TRUTH in your campaign. > > > > > > > Actually, he was always called 'Skipper', in my limited reccollection. > > > > > > What, so does this mean I'm gonna get flamed now for my heretical and > > > unconventinal views of Gilligan's Island? :) > > > > > > Is a Doctor of Giliganistic Studies form the Modern American Institue of Bad > > > SitCom gonna put me right on this... > > > > Actually, he was referred to as, I believe, Jonas Grimby on > > one episode. Forgive me if my memory isn't exactly perfect on this, > > but this is one of the cooler trivia questions that exist in sitcom-dom. > > > You are right! I have been trying to remember this ever since this > thread came up. I never saw the episode, but I heard it from someone I > know who heard it from the actress who played Mary Ann. > > Didn't they use that name for him in the pilot episode? Never saw that, either (was it ever aired?), but that's what i heard. - -Q - --------------------------------------- I dislike Windows95 for the same reason people dislike New Coke It tastes disgustingly like Pepsi. Scott "Q" Meyer Scott.E.Meyer@wheaton.edu http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:22:58 -0600 (CST) From: "The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw" Subject: IN> summaries I have started to type up brief summaries of each choir's resonance & its mechanics and started to work on the songs. I tentatively plan to have one sheet for each Song, one for each superior (summary of servitor attunements, choir attunements, rel. to other Arches, etc.), and the one-page choir resonance sheet. Would SJ Games have a problem with me doing this and giving a sheet to the players? I want to do this so I can staple my pregens to a sheet that shows their Choir resonance, one for each of their Songs, and one for their superior. This would make it easier for them (they'd know what they can do) and easier for me (having a summary booklet and not needing to loan the players my book whenever they want to use an ability). if there is no problem (I am trying to summarize, not copy parts of the text), would anyone else like a copy when I get done? matt s. "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:28:22 -0600 From: Drew Johnson Subject: IN> Thoughts on Monotheisms and Philosophies Something that I don't quite understand. I understand about the dual (or more) nature of the Monotheist religions in In Nomine; that there may have been more than one way of expression of the IN God among humanity (particularly Christianity, Judaism, and Islam). What I don't quite understand is why the angels who are in the know about What Really Happened with them are so dang secretive with the facts at hand... Also, I do wonder about which Monotheist religions the IN God claims as His own. Does Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Sufism, and early monotheist Indian creation god beliefs fall under this tree? What of Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism (which can be considered by many to be both philosophy and religion)? Does Gautama Buddha have a tree in the Marches? - -Drew Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:52:40 +0000 From: "Bodhi" Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts on Monotheisms and Philosophies > Something that I don't quite understand. I understand about the dual > (or more) nature of the Monotheist religions in In Nomine; that there > may have been more than one way of expression of the IN God among > humanity (particularly Christianity, Judaism, and Islam). What I don't > quite understand is why the angels who are in the know about What Really > Happened with them are so dang secretive with the facts at hand... Which angels are "in the know about What Really Happened?" Gabriel knows he got orders to deliver a message about a baby being born under a shining star. He also knows he got orders to go recite the Quaran to Mohammed. He's told everybody that he did these things under orders. Who listened?... My point is that Angels may know what they personally did or did not do, but they have no way of knowing what the "higher ups" really want, really care about, or really are after. Archangels and angels just follow orders. They have no more, or less, insight into the workings of the Mind of God than anybody else does. One special exception may be Yves, who we already know is not "just" an archangel. However, his reasons for his secrets are linked to the idea that he safeguards our Destinies. Perhaps we're not meant to know the Mind of God, lest we fail to seek it for ourselves, and therefore lose our chance at finding our own sense of Purpose... Nevertheless, it remains that Angels and Archangels don't KNOW which is the one, true God. They know that they get orders, and that they should follow them. "Sometimes you just have to DO what you're TOLD", said Simon in the movie The Prophecy. That's it. That doesn't stop them from having OPINIONS about which religion comes closest to interpreting God... but that is the extent of their validity: Opinion. > Also, I do wonder about which Monotheist religions the IN God claims as > His own. Does Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Sufism, and early monotheist > Indian creation god beliefs fall under this tree? What of Confucianism, > Taoism, and Buddhism (which can be considered by many to be both > philosophy and religion)? Does Gautama Buddha have a tree in the > Marches? Again, God isn't saying. Maybe Yves knows, but nobody else knows for sure. Now, different archangels support/patronize different religions. Some play favourites, while others view all religions as equal (could be equally valuable, or equally ridiculous...) Dominic and Laurence both want Christianity to be the world's main religion. Gabriel seems to have a bent for Islam, even though he was there at the inception of Christianity. I myself wrote up the archangel of compassion, who has a sort spot for Buddhists even though he doesn't claim them as "his own". I've also written up Totem Angels for North-American Shamanistic perspectives, as well as rules for Voodoo. These guys all associate with each other, disagree on basic religious beliefs, and nevertheless don't KNOW which one is correct (or even if any ONE is correct). That's the point. Angels have religious disparities just the same as humans do. They're as "in the dark" as the rest of us. Most of what they support they do so out of personal opinion, not divine insight! Walk in Beauty, Rob Wolff / Bodhi rob@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: IN> Roman centurion >did he or Pilate put the sign up above the cross? Well, the Gospels say that Pilate wrote it, and ordered it to be put up there, but my guess is that someone else actually nailed it to the wood... Tony Z Tony Zbaraschuk tzbarasc@lasierra.edu Special Collections Librarian & Archivist 909-785-2518 (voice) La Sierra University 4700 Pierce St., Riverside, CA 92515-8247 Et vocavit Deus, "Fiat lux!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:38:52 -0500 From: "Stephen B. Mann" Subject: Re: IN> The wandering Roman > Tell me more, man! Any series with *that* kind of a premise has to be > good (or at least not entirely bad). Was it a standard > Mack-Bolan-kills-people kind of series or did it have any more IN potential? No IN potential at all, unfortunately. I still have the books around somewhere. Basically, each book has the hero Casca in a war setting. He gets killed somewhere, regenerates, comes back to kill the bad guy, saves the day. Pretty predictable. The books I have had him as German soldier in WWII, a Foreign Legionaire at Dien Bien Phu, a mercenary fighting Arab fanatics, a Viking, and other scenarios I can't remember. Casca isn't Superman, just an incredibly good soldier who can speak lots of languages and use lots of weapons. - -- Stephen B. Mann sm6439@cnsvax.albany.edu Webmaster Center on English Learning & Achievement http://www.albany.edu/cela ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:11:25 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: IN> Friday the 13th Here is the list I have of the objects. For a better description check out the Fri.13 web sight at www.eden.com/~kurgan/f13.html The following list contains episode number, title, cursed object, and original airdate. SEASON ONE - ---------- 1.1 "The Inheritance" -- Doll -- 9\28\87 1.2 "The Poison Pen" -- Quill pen -- 10\5\87 1.3 "Cupid's Quiver" -- Cupid statuette -- 10\12\87 1.4 "A Cup of Time" -- Teacup -- 10\19\87 1.5 "Hellowe'en" -- Amulet of Zohar -- 10\26\87 1.6 "The Great Montarro" -- Hudan box -- 11\2\87 1.7 "Doctor Jack" -- Scapel -- 11\9\87 1.8 "Shadow Boxer" -- Boxing Gloves -- 11\21\87 1.9 "The Root of All Evil" -- Portable mulcher -- 11\28\87 1.10 "Tales of the Undead" -- Comic Book -- 1\25\88 1.11 "Scarecrow" -- Scarecrow -- 2\1\88 1.12 "Faith Healer" -- Glove -- 2\8\88 1.13 "The Baron's Bride" -- Broach -- 2\15\88 1.14 "Bedazzled" -- Brass Lantern -- 2\22\88 1.15 "Vanity's Mirror" -- Compact -- 2\29\88 1.16 "Tattoo" -- Tattoo needles -- 3\7\88 1.17 "The Electrocutioner" -- Electric chair -- 4\18\88 1.18 "Brain Drain" -- Trephine -- 4\25\88 1.19 "The Quilt of Hathor" part 1 -- Quilt of Hathor -- 5\2\88 1.20 "The Quilt of Hathor: The Awakening" part 2 -- Quilt of Hathor -- 5\9\88 1.21 "Double Exposure" -- Camera -- 5\16\88 1.22 "The Pirates Promise" -- Foghorn -- 6\27\88 1.23 "Badge of Honor" -- Sheriff's badge -- 7\5\88 1.24 "Pipe Dream" -- Pipe -- 7\11\88 1.25 "What a Mother Wouldn't Do" -- Baby cradle -- 7\18\88 1.26 "Bottle of Dreams" -- Egyptian urn -- 7\25\88 SEASON TWO - ---------- 2.1 "Doorway to Hell" -- Mirror -- 9\26\88 2.2 "The Voodoo Mambo" -- Voodoo mask -- 10\3\88 2.3 "And Now The News" -- Radio -- 10\10\88 2.4 "Tails I Live, Heads You Die" -- Coin of Zaecles -- 10\17\88 2.5 "Symphony in B#" -- Violin -- 10\31\88 2.6 "Master of Disguise" -- Make-up case -- 11\7\88 2.7 "Wax Magic" -- Handkerchief -- 11\14\88 2.8 "Read my Lips" -- Silk Flower -- 11\21\88 2.9 "13 o'Clock" -- Pocket watch -- 1\2\89 2.10 "Night Hunger" -- Silver chain -- 1\9\89 2.11 "The Sweetest Sting" -- Bee hive -- 1\16\89 2.12 "The Playhouse" -- Playhouse -- 1\23\89 2.13 "Eye of Death" -- Civil War era projector -- 1\30\89 2.14 "Face of Evil" -- Aforementioned compact -- 2\6\89 2.15 "Better Off Dead" -- Silver syringe -- 2\13\89 2.16 "Scarlet Cinema" -- Movie camera -- 2\20\89 2.17 "The Memphisto Ring" -- Ring -- 4\10\89 2.18 "A Friend to the End" -- The Shard of Medusa and a child's coffin -- 4\17\89 2.19 "The Butcher" -- Nazi Swastika amulet -- 4\24\89 2.20 "The Secret Agenda of Mesmer's Bauble" -- Crystal pendant -- 5\1\89 2.21 "Wedding in Black" -- Snowglobe -- 5\8\89 2.22 "Wedding Bell Blues" -- Cue-stick -- 5\15\89 2.23 "The Maestro" -- Symphonia -- 5\22\89 2.24 "The Shaman's Apprentice" -- Indian rattle -- 5\29\89 2.25 "The Prisoner" -- Leather bomber jacket -- 6\5\89 2.26 "Coven of Darkness" -- Witch's ladder (necklace) -- 6\12\89 SEASON THREE - ------------ 3.1 "The Prophecies" part 1 -- Book of Lucifer -- 9\25\89 3.2 "The Prophecies" part 2 -- Book of Lucifer -- 9\25\89 3.3 "Demonhunter" -- Dagger -- 10\2\89 3.4 "Crippled Inside" -- Wheelchair -- 10\9\89 3.5 "Stick it in Your Ear" -- Hearing Aid -- 10\16\89 3.6 "Bad Penny" -- Aforementioned coin -- 10\30\89 3.7 "Hate On Your Dial" -- 1954 Chevy car radio -- 11\6\89 3.8 "Night Prey" -- Cross of Fire -- 11\13\89 3.9 "Femme Fatale" -- Film reel -- 11\20\89 3.10 "Mighter Than the Sword" -- Fountain pen -- 1\8\90 3.11 "Year of the Monkey" -- 3 monkey statuettes -- 1\15\90 3.12 "Epitaph for a Lonely Soul" -- Aspirator -- 1\22\90 3.13 "Midnight Riders" -- No object -- 1\29\90 3.14 "Repetition" -- Cameo locket -- 2\5\90 3.15 "The Long Road Home" -- Ying Yang -- 2\12\90 3.16 "My Wife as a Dog" -- Leash -- 2\19\90 3.17 "Jack-in-the-Box" -- Jack-in-the-box -- 4\23\90 3.18 "The Spirit of Television" -- Television set -- 4\30\90 3.19 "Tree of Life" -- Religious Druid figurine -- 5\7\90 3.20 "The Charnal Pit" -- Two-sided painting -- 5\14\90 Hope it gives some folks ideas. Shadowcat ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Is that my soul that calls me by name?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:39:52 -0600 (CST) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #103 >If anybody's interested, I've been doing some more work on this, >primarily in the Conversions section. All typos authentic... :-J >(No spell-checking program in NetScape Gold, that I saw.) > >http://www.io.com/~arcangel/net.character.book/Web-IOU/IOUInNom.html > >A Net Book pick in Scribe! > Interested!?!?! I'm bloody *there*! Great stuff! I've used the ArchDean and IOU in my game and it's worked VERY well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:53:25 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Know the Enemy Know The Enemy A comprehensive course for young demons, in determining the strengths and weaknesses of The Enemy. [Warning, contains innuendo...] - --------------------------------------------------------------------- #1: As delivered by a Balseraph of Lust ("Everybody lies about sex." Choirs ====== Seraphim: Not as uninterested as Elohim, but no good in bed. Cherubim: Sort of like teddy bears -- only with teeth and claws. Overly possessive. Not usually open to menage a' trois with their fixations -- and don't even think of making a pass at the fixation before you've distracted the Cherub. Ofanim: Bad points - have to hit them over the head with a proposition to get them to notice; Good points - never stop moving. Elohim: Cold fish, no interest. Some of their vessels aren't even fully functional -- think Barbie and Ken, only less personality. Malakim: Very hard to get along with; equate sex and violence, and usually don't need much of the first if they can get the second. Good for a thrill, but long-term, aren't worth it. Kyriotates: Really kinky. You can supply the dogs. Or swans. Or whatever. Mercurians: Might as well be humans, except better stamina. Servitors of... =============== Blandine: they think beds are for sleeping in. Boring. David: A hard celestial is good to find... And the humans around them tend to come in groups. Can be a challenge. Dominic: Stuffed shirts, and it's hard to get a trio of them to agree on anything. They tend to vote. Avoid; they'd rather talk (ask questions) about your past angelic conquests anyway, the voyeurs. Eli: Can be really fun (even the usually pathetic Choirs), till they find out who you're working for. Then they get all huffy, like they invented sex or something. Gabriel: Fanatics. Will get on your case if you're not careful. Pretty hot in bed, but you have to catch them when they're not distracted. Jean: Kyrios are fun, but can't always stay in the garden hose long enough. Rest of them are less dull than you might think -- remember, they get Usenet access. Jordi: Kink factor is high, but you rarely stumble across one; they're easier to turn on if you've got an animal vessel too. Laurence: Stuffed shirts again. Serious "may we help you" hero complexes. Fun to play with, but don't let them catch on till after you're dressed again and out the door. They hold grudges. Marc: Can be persuaded to make deals, but would rather fondle money. Michael: Despite what you might think, not vunerable to camp followers. Tend to be tricky; don't *need* to hold grudges. Avoid. Novalis: Sappy lot; explain that you just need some kindness and understanding, and they try to mother you. Then they give you these puppy eyes when you don't go Renegade for them. At least they don't have startched undies. Yves: A bunch of weirdos. Tend to be a little too perceptive. No illusions, just mysticism. Not worth the risk. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- [How'd this get on the list? I thought I pasted in the non-list address! Argh. Gremlins...] At 2:30 PM -0500 4/3/97, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >Happy Birthday on the 6th! > > - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:50:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Alu-Fiends [was Cain's mom ]-[was Alu-Fiends] At 7:29 AM -0500 4/3/97, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: >Just an interesting comment.... >I was looking through the Dictionary of Angels by Davidson and came >across something interesting. According to it one of the names of Lilith >was Alu....since supposedly alu-fiends are the result of a mating >between a "demonic" mother and human father wouldn't that suggest that >the children of Lilith be Alu-fiends. Any comments? The alleged ones she had with Adam, aye. This may be the derivation of Alu-fiends in That Silly Reference. O;> As for the current Daughters, they may be closer to lillitu (sp?), which is what I think I recall reading her demonic-sired children as being -- or "Alu-fiends" if she's still getting human sires for them as the secret ingredient. Or maybe it depends on the Lilim in question, how she was created. (Now we know what favors a certain Demon Princess asks of angels?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:12:01 -0800 From: Sebastien DesNoyers Subject: IN> request i would like to be on the mailing list please thanks in advance > my adress is Sebastien DesNoyers 10 Viau ,St-Luc Quebec,Canada J2W 1N5 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:17:13 -0500 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: IN> Thoughts on Monotheisms and Philosophies >humanity (particularly Christianity, Judaism, and Islam). What I don't >quite understand is why the angels who are in the know about What Really >Happened with them are so dang secretive with the facts at hand... Because Proof deneies Faith. It's the same reason the angels aren't allowed to proclaim themselves to the world at large -- Humanity must choose whether to believe in God or not. In fact, it could be argued that part of the reason Angels aren't given to know _all_ the facts, other than there is a God and they work for Him, could be so that they, too, can have a form of Faith. Though they're denied the full-on Faith of humanity (they *know* God exists), they can have Faith that one Revelation (Judiasm, Chrisianity, Islam) is better (or more True) than another. >Also, I do wonder about which Monotheist religions the IN God claims as >His own. Does Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Sufism, and early monotheist >Indian creation god beliefs fall under this tree? What of Confucianism, >Taoism, and Buddhism (which can be considered by many to be both >philosophy and religion)? Does Gautama Buddha have a tree in the >Marches? For that matter, is there an Angel of Gnostic Religion? The Gnostics were interested in direct communion with God and/or his Angels, direct communication. Perhaps certain parts Gnosticism were started by early Soldiers of God, and the Gnostics were suppressed because Humanity wasn't ready for that Revelation... -Loki - -- Kirt "Loki" Dankmyer PGP key avail. My opinions are my own. love * Eris * RPGs * Anime * Magick * Carroll * techno * hats * cats * Dada I waked, she fled, and day brought back my night. --Milton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:26:36 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Emord Subject: Re: IN> Friday 13th Stuff... Shadowcat: could you please re-mail that neat list (to me at least bemord@austin.ibm.com)... it seems that my mail system barfed when I tried to read past the first season... Thanks, it looks good to that point, and I already have a few nifty ideas for artifact/demonic relics for use with/against my players... Brian Emord - --* BEGIN GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- GCS/E d(+)>++ s+:+ a? C+++(++++)$ UBLAHS++$ P+++$ L++ E W++ N o K++ w O++ M-->--- V-- PS(++) PE(+)(-) Y+ PGP- t+@ 5+@ X R+(+++)* tv b++>+++ DI+++$ D G++ e(*)>++++ h+(*) r++>+++ y+ - --* END GEEKCODE BLOCK *-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:54:36 -0600 (CST) From: Corey Subject: Re: IN> Alu-Fiends [was Cain's mom ]-[was Alu-Fiends] Actually Lillitu was the Indo-Iranian demoness that the Hebrews borrowed to come up with Lillith. If I recall correctly. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat for all the days of thy life: -Genesis 3:14 (KJV) On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 7:29 AM -0500 4/3/97, Hatcher Rhanyr wrote: > >Just an interesting comment.... > >I was looking through the Dictionary of Angels by Davidson and came > >across something interesting. According to it one of the names of Lilith > >was Alu....since supposedly alu-fiends are the result of a mating > >between a "demonic" mother and human father wouldn't that suggest that > >the children of Lilith be Alu-fiends. Any comments? > > The alleged ones she had with Adam, aye. This may be the derivation > of Alu-fiends in That Silly Reference. O;> > > As for the current Daughters, they may be closer to lillitu (sp?), > which is what I think I recall reading her demonic-sired children > as being -- or "Alu-fiends" if she's still getting human sires for > them as the secret ingredient. > > Or maybe it depends on the Lilim in question, how she was created. > (Now we know what favors a certain Demon Princess asks of angels?) > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net > GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:04:30 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Servotor Attunements of Mikey > John and Elizabeth, > > I'm afraid you both missed my main point: The (lack of) range for the howl. Well.... what you _said_ was that it was of little use. What was pointed out, independently, was that it was very useful, just not in the way you would like it. If a can-opener is not a remote control, do you blame it for not changing your channels? > I would prefer for the Michaelite to be able to howl and charge, > NOT charge, stop, howl, and bash. As for the handcuffs you mentioned, E., > you'd better have those cuffs ready and pray that your oppnent is obliging > you by keeping his wrists together otherwise I doubt that one combat round > is time enough to slap 'em on. (New Skill: Cuffing? ;-) ) > Also, I don't like the idea of a Servitor of War using his Attunement in > order to "arrest" someone - I think that Michael meant it for inflicting > bodily harm. Heh. Try to fight as effectively if a Malakite just cuffed you. At the very least, there would be a big disadvantage! ;) There is always, according to the GM's desires, the possibility of tougher, better howls out there. Would make an interesting adventure finding out what some high-ranking angel would take in trade for such a power... - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:07:58 -0500 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> summaries On Apr 4, 9:22am, \The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw\, wrote: > Subject: IN> summaries > > I have started to type up brief summaries of each choir's resonance & its > mechanics and started to work on the songs. I tentatively plan to have > one sheet for each Song, one for each superior (summary of servitor > attunements, choir attunements, rel. to other Arches, etc.), and the > one-page choir resonance sheet. > > Would SJ Games have a problem with me doing this and giving a sheet to the > players? I want to do this so I can staple my pregens to a sheet that > shows their Choir resonance, one for each of their Songs, and one for > their superior. This would make it easier for them (they'd know what they > can do) and easier for me (having a summary booklet and not needing to > loan the players my book whenever they want to use an ability). As far as I know, from past experience, there should be no problem. Mind you, I represent SJG only as far as rules questions are concerned and not legal ones! I have done the same thing in my campaign (although I might not need to anymore since it seems like I will own THREE copies of the main rules any day now...). If try to sell it, or publish it in a wider forum, I'm certain that's illegal, though. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 16:31:21 -0500 From: John Maurer Subject: IN> The wandering Roman At 04:31 PM 4/3/97 -0600, Bill wrote: >I'm not Moriah, but that's how I heard it. >Also, was it him or Pontius who nailed the sign to Jesus' cross? It was Pilate. He wrote "Jesus of Nazereth (Jesus the Nazerine?) King of the Jews" Someone in one of the gospels commented to Pilate: "You should have put, he CALLED himself King of the Jews" and Pilate wrote: "What I have written, I have written." Again, subject to correction from full fledged biblical schollars. Speaks "Okay... things get worse. Then they get better. Then they get worse again... then lots of stuff blows up... people die... others are born... more stuff blows up... and then it ends." -- JMS on the future of the Babylon 5 storyline or me on life. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Raven <94fa193@dvc.edu> Subject: IN> It's been real... Just letting you know that, what with the high volume of this list, I can no longer dedicate enough time to reading and/or posting anything. This point was brought to light rather brutally when my system went down over spring break, and all the mail from the list collected on my account. Maybe you'll spot my name on an IN webpage sometime... |\ /| | | |~~~ |\ | "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've |_\ /_| | | |__ | \| got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, |\ | | \ | | | | it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." | \ | | \| |___ | | "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Raven <94fa193@dvc.edu> Subject: IN> It's been real... Just letting you know that, what with the high volume of this list, I can no longer dedicate enough time to reading and/or posting anything. This point was brought to light rather brutally when my system went down over spring break, and all the mail from the list collected on my account. Maybe you'll spot my name on an IN webpage sometime... |\ /| | | |~~~ |\ | "It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we've |_\ /_| | | |__ | \| got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, |\ | | \ | | | | it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." | \ | | \| |___ | | "Hit it." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 08:46:14 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Jo Hart wrote: > > > During an archeological dig, scientists find a piece of human tissue > >(possibly encased in amber), finally identified as the last remnant of > >Jesus Christ - his foreskin (hey, he was a good Jewish boy!). > > Not to be pedantic or anthing but.. as a good Jewish boy, he wouldn't have had > one (gets surgically removed at 8 days old and I'm sure the Rabbis don't > keep them for posterity...). So I'd pick some other tissue :-) That's the point - the foreskin is removed during Jesus' circumsicion (sp) and lost, only to be found in the future. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You remember that foul evening, when you heard the banshee howl There was lousy drunken bastards singing Billy in the bowl They took you up to midnight mass and left you in the lurch So you dropped a button in the plate and spewed up in the church. THE POGUES, "The Sick Bed of Cuchulainn" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:39:56 +0000 From: "Captain Nemo" Subject: RE: IN> Yet another frightening glimspe into Hatcher's mind Q (Not from Star Trek) mentioned: > Actually I have heard a legend (it's in the so-called Gospel of Mary, i > beleive if anyone's read that) that Mary saved Jesus' umbilical cord and > foreskin, preserving it in the myrrh that the Magi had presented. It further > states that this was the self-same ointment that Mary Magdelene anointed > Jesus's head with. Don't ask me what happened to the foreskin :) According to Catholic legend, St. Catherine of Siena had it for a time while she was alive. She wore a ring made of Christ's foreskin on her hand to symbolize her metaphorical "marriage" to God, after she had rejected a marriage arranged by her parents. - ---- Capt. Nemo ------------------------------ Date: 04 Apr 97 21:46:18 EST From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Sympathy for the Devil Here's a really good pop tune that tells the Eden event from Lucifer's point of view speaking to humanity. Sung by 'Live'. LYRICS MY INTERPRETATION It's easier not to be wise | It was 'easier' not to challenge and measure these things by your brains | being god-like by simply not I sank into Eden with you | eating the fruit of knowledge. alone in the church by and by | Lucifer was cursed, too. I'll read to you here, save your eyes | I'll tell you the real story not You'll need them, your boat is at sea | in the bible. You're now your anchor is up, you've been swept away | abandoned by God and without and the greatest of teachers won't hesitate | hope and Jesus will not to leave you there, by yourself, | intervene for you, either. chained to fate | You're at the mercy of fate. ref: I alone love you | I show you the real love by tempting I alone tempt you | you to be god-like, don't be I alone love you | afraid. fear is not the end of this! It's easier not to be great | Again, it's easy to settle for and measure these things by your eyes | less by being ignorant. we long to be here by his resolve alone in the church by and by to cradle the baby in space | The image of God/Mary in divine and leave you there by yourself | and passive reflection on the Savior chained to fate | who's doing nothing for you. (ref) oh, now, we took it back too far, | Actually, this verse leaves me confused only love can save us now, | as to what's trying to be said. all these riddles that you burn all come runnin' back to you, all these rhythms that you hide only love can save us now, all these riddles that you burn yeah, yeah, yeah... (ref) - --------- Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 01:53:32 -0500 (EST) From: MagSnoopy@aol.com Subject: IN> List request I'd like to get on the list at Magnum_Snoopy@IBM.net or MagSnoopy@AOL.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:28:58 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Kryiotate Questions. Dear Walter, John and List ** Useful answers snipped for Brevity ** thanks for the answers. What a difference a sentance makes :) . I missed that one of page 53 about Kryiotates being in Celestial form when they enter the Corporeal plane, and that does tend to solve those questions. >>How close does he have to be to possess someone? >away to escape a slow moving possessing being> > >This one isn't in the rules, but it's in the FAQ now, I think. You use >the Resonance modifiers (up in the front of the book), except that it's >restricted to "real-time" links to the target. I.e., no photographs or >recordings (this is like the restriction on demon resonances). > >Generally, anyone in line-of-sight is pretty easy, and you can also >possess people over the phone, live TV, etc. > >In my own opinion, this may be going overboard, making Kyrios too >powerful, but it's the current official ruling on the subject from the >Powers Above.... Yeah I think it is to powerful too, especiall when you cinsider that "Line of Sight" is within sight of any eyes they have. I suspect that I will make it closer unless there is some link, interaction or something between the possessor and target. Even if the game publishers dont agree with me :) . Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 22:21:13 +1100 From: jumpshot@onaustralia.com.au (Davies) Subject: IN> Lycurgus, Archangel of Sport Having been on the list now for a week and actually owning the game for three days, I thought I might make a contribution. This idea has been going around in my head for a while and I thought I would see how it worked... ________________________________________________________________________________ Lycurgus, Archangel of Sport Lycurgus, an Elohite servitor of Eli was granted the Word of Sport in the year 500 B.C. His encouragment and dedication to the pursuit of organised competitive athletism with the goal of pushing the bounderies of human physical prowess led to the first Olympic games in 776 B.C. He had been active for some centuries previous to this however, as at the funeral for Patroclus, described in Homer's Iliad, for example. Lycurgus inluenced Heracles in the fifth century B.C. to use the Games to celebrate his victories after subduing Elis and killing King Augeas. Heracles was a particular favourite of the young Angel. Lycurgus was also the oracle that was said to have ordered Iphitus to ensure the survival of the Games. He had a strong hand in most other similar movements of the times, such as the Pythian, Nemean and Isthmian Games. Under his eye, the great Panhellenic institutions, honouring the blending of mind and body, thrived until 392 A.D. when the Christians suppresseed the "pagan" movement. Lycurgus still found ways to use sporting pursuits to highlight the objective human endeavor for physical excellence with the express purpose to increase the volume and sheer magisty of the Symphony. Everything from Caber tossing to Mui Thai to the throwing of the boomerang. He was there in 11th century England encouraging the predesecor to soccer and in 1891 with Dr James Naismith in Sprinfield Mass. just to name two prominent examples. He was promoted to Archangel status in 1901 A.D. after over a century of increased international organised sporting activities, including the resurgance of the modern Olympic Games in Athens 1896. His work with a Soldier called Baron Pierre de Coubertin to breathe new life into his beloved Olympics made it obvious just how influential sport was going to be to the Symphony in the future. The "peaceful and courteous contests would supply the best of internationalism". Recently, with the rise of Nybbas the Demon Prince of the Media, many aspects of Sport are become corrupted beyond repair. Servants of Lycugus almost shed a tear at the mere mention of "Pro" wrestling... Lycurgus does his best to try to retain the purity and objective artistry of sporting confrontation, but servants of Nybbas currently have an upper hand. The control that Media have developed over sport in the last 30 years or so has definitely tipped the scales. Lycurgas is a stern Archangel, but respectful of all those that pursue perfection in physical activity. He still appears an a powerfully built bearded Greek, generally naked and oiled. He disdains all posturing and self glory in words, glorification is for action only. His main motivation for this is to try to show people that the noble persuit of sport is a model for how life should be lived. Life is not perfect, but sport can be, so to strive for perfection in all things shall bring one closer to pure divinity. Thus sport is the model of divinity. DISSONANCE Servitors of Lycurgus must ramain unswayed by words of anger or pride. They must always convey themselves as the picture of good natured sportsmanship in all things. The must be a good loser and a humble victor. To personify the the old phrase "it is not to win or lose, but who you play the game..." CHOIR ATTUNEMENTS Seriphim: The Seriphim consider themselves more the referees of the Games than the participants. They are able to look a person in the eye and tell their inner motives for competition. Cheribum: The great protectors, Cherubs of Lycurgus will always know if one they are attuned to is being tempted to degrade their sport, either by their own Fate or by the Diabolics. Ofanim: The Ofinum may "share" their resonance with worthy other practitioners of a sporting pursuit. While participating in sport themselves, an Ofinite does not need to make resonance rolls to use his ability to find the fastest route to his objective. Elobim: The Elobim always know how to best achieve the objective of teaching humility to those that have become proud and boastful. This does not always guarantee success however... Malakim: Malakites of Lycurgus can engage any physical activity indefintely without fatigue. Kyriotates: Kyriotates of Lycurgus are bound into the vessel of a sportsperson with considerable talent who is either jaded by their pusuit or is giving into their basest desires for putting worcly pursuits ahead of their sport Mercurians: Mrecurians are great analyzers and commentators of sport. They are the best able to effect people positively about sport to enable them to see the relevence of sportsmanship in the rest of life. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS The Unbinding of Justice: The angel may ensure that a sporting event will be officiated with total fariness and without bias. The refereeing will remain uneffected by any such thing as bribery, "star treatment", fan/coaching pressure, network considerations... etc Level Playing FIeld: The Angel may reduce the odds of any sort of confrontation to one on one. All others are unable to perform any acts against the one protected unless it is to replace the other one upon his demise. DISTINCTIONS Vassal of Competition: Angels of this rank are able to match compeditors of equal natural ability with great precision. Thus, the heart and desire for excellence becomes the major factor. Friend of the Worthy: With this rank the angel is able to assist those Worthy sportspeople that are injured to recover from anything but the most serious of afflictions overnight. Master of the Games: Angels of this level may understand and compete in any sport known to man. Their skill is that of an average professional (5) in every sport. He will be able to talk about and analyze any sport with ease. RELATIONS Michael and Lycurgus have had several minor run ins, generally regarding Michael's pride in his domination of those that stand against him. He also does not take Lycurgus very seriously. Allied: Dominic, Blandine, Yves Associated: All others Hostile: Michael BASIC RITES *Spend an hour participating in a physical sporting activity *Spend an hour arguing with somebody about the depths to which sports have stooped these days *Spend at least two hours teaching young people how to play a sport and try to instill the virtues of good sportsmanship CHANCE OF INVOCATION:3 INVOCATION MODIFIERS +1 Watching a live sporting event +2 Surrounded by sporting equipment +3 Prior to participating in a sport +4 In a famous sporting arena (The sight of Boston Garden, the Collisium...) +5 With a great and worthy sportsman +6 Just prior to Participating in an internatinal sporting event ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #104 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.