From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Apr 23 21:33:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (root@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16319; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:13:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03589 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:50:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:50:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199704240050.TAA03589@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #136 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, April 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 136 In this digest: IN> Tea and Sympathy Re: GenCon (was Re: IN> hey) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 Re: GenCon (was Re: IN> hey) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 IN> Links Re: Re IN> Jordi Question Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #133 IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Re: IN> Invocations and Eli? Re: IN> Attack power, hitting humans, changing form Re: IN> Role Questions Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 IN> vessel types... Re: IN> Killing People, and Healing. Re: IN> Links Re: IN> _Hell on High_, by Holly Lisle Re: IN> Role Questions IN> The Beast Re: (OT) IN> Is your Web Site A Secret? Re: IN> Tea and Sympathy Re: IN> Invocations and Eli? Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Re: IN> Invocations and Eli? Re: Re IN> Jordi Question Re: IN> vessel types... Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? IN> New Archangel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:20:15 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: IN> Tea and Sympathy Sorry guys, I was looking at lunchtime and I can't find either the NPC or the origianal sheet. I'll have to reconstruct them. But when I DO post him, I will include info on the coffee shop, too. Just as a tease, the name of the coffee shop is, in full, "The Free Mind Coffee Shop and Strangeness Emporium." Did I spell emporium right? It will be a while, so stop drooling. You heard, me Bohdi. Stop whining, too. Yes, this means you. Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:20:17 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: GenCon (was Re: IN> hey) At 12:18 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Shadowcat wrote: > >> >> What was the old name? I can look it up, and post the new one. >> >> >> Hope to see a lot of you there. >> >> Shadowcat >> >> P.S. who all is coming? MAybe we can invade a local >> pub/resteraunt and chat in person. >> > >You mean...*you all have physical bodies?????* I thought you all were figments of my imagination. Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:49:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 At 11:26 AM -0500 4/23/97, Shadowcat wrote: >On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Hey, is that the one with all the fighting angels and demons on the >> cover? I think the local comic store has a copy he hasn't been able >> to sell... > > That's the one. I'll try and pick up a copy next weekend. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:47:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: GenCon (was Re: IN> hey) At 12:18 PM -0400 4/23/97, Gregory Littmann wrote: >On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Shadowcat wrote: > >> P.S. who all is coming? MAybe we can invade a local >> pub/resteraunt and chat in person. >> > >You mean...*you all have physical bodies?????* "Well, when I want one... I mean, normally I'm just an AI program flittering around here, but I suppose I can download and play Kyrio..." - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:20:17 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 At 12:18 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Apr 23, 8:21am, Steven Feldon wrote: >> Subject: RE: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 >> Really? Most of the time, when I went into my gaming store and asked >> for In Nomine and they'd look at me blankly and say, "INWO? >> Illuminati?" >> >> Um. No. Duh. > > > Well... at least they had the right COMPANY. ;) Yeah. When I kept asking, they thought I was asking about a White Wolf product, and they'd never heard of it. A local book store finally got a few copies, so I took it down to the gaming store to show them. They went, "Oh, that's what you meant!" But at least I have it now. Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:03:59 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: IN> Links Here's an idea: Let's let the SJGames webmaster know about all the IN pages that all you crazy people have bee building. The address to send them to is: webmaster@io.com just an idea Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:52:26 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Re IN> Jordi Question At 5:21 PM +1000 4/23/97, Peter Frederick wrote: >Dear Derek, Elizabeth, Shadowcat and List [...] >Elizabeth ooooo you're a hard ref, your players should get extra exp for >working with you . If they want to play the avenging poodle from somewhere, they'll have to make sure they're living up to Jordi's Word. So there. >Raccon would be a really cool form for a Servitor of Jordi, unfortunately >none of the Choirs can do it. Imagine a Coon with strength 6 :) . Kyrio. Don't forget Kyrio. (And I don't think that the other Choirs *couldn't* do it -- just that they aren't naturally attuned to that.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:45:32 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #133 At 11:01 PM -0500 4/22/97, RogueLdr wrote: >> >>>WE WATCH. AND WAIT. WE ARE VERY PATIENT. >>> >>>-DominicNet. Keeping Heaven safe from Heresy. >> >>Except when you're ordering someone to report, I have noticed. >> > >DO NOT MOCK DOMINICNET. WE DO NOT APPRECIATE IT. > >-DominicNet. Keeping Heaven safe from Heresy. Mocking? I do not mock. I merely state facts. The truth as I see it, if not the Truth. Here, get a Seraph to go over the records, see if I fib! >>>-Rogue, He Who Does Not Give Exact Change > >>(On which side of the cashregister? And are you one of Janus'? >>If not, DominicNet may want to talk to *YOU*.) > >Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ArchBeth!!!!!!! >WAIT A MINUTE. YOU THERE. REPORT TO THE HALLS OF JUDGMENT IMMEDIATELY. > >-DominicNet. Keeping Heaven safe from Heresy. > > "There. That'll learn ya." (Obscure quote.) And see? "Immediately." This does not sound like waiting or "very patient." Maybe the auto-catch keywords were munged on by a Balseraph of Vapula. >>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:57:54 -0400 (EDT) >>From: gibsonc@nku.edu >>Subject: IN> hey >> >>how do you sign up for GenCon, when is it, is it worth it? >> >>jahon the questioning > >GenCon is either the (help me out here) first or second week of August. You >can find registration forms in Dragon magazine, or at T$R's Web site >(although I haven't seen them on the Web, that's word of mouth). You can >also just buy a pass the day of the Con, but it's a pain in the neck getting >in on games if you haven't pre-registered. > >IT IS WELL WORTH IT. Is that an official DominicNet statement? >You may have to ignore thousands of munchkins playing >Magic: The Vomiting, but gogogogogogogogogo! The real games and Exhibit >Hall are exquisite! My first year, entering that glorious Hall, I could >hear the Heavenly Choruses.... And the Demonic ones... TSR Owns My Clone. > >Should be entitled "Some day they'll find it.... The Rainbow Connection." AAAAUUUGGGHHHH! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: owl@owlsnest.com Subject: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet? We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85 and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is guaranteed! 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When we receive your order, we will input the information into our system, and send you a proof. After we process any corrections, we will run your promotion, capturing any comments from search engines as we go. We will incorporate these into an HTML-formatted report to you, which we will attach to your bill. ===Web Promotions=====Press Releases=====Link Exchanges========= Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. 260 E. Main Street Brewster, NY 10509 Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owlseye@owlsnest.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:01:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Invocations and Eli? At 3:03 AM -0500 4/23/97, Scott Turnbull wrote: >I'm a bit confused about invocations for Eli. Under his description it >says he stripped himself of his memories of the past and lives has a >human. However, he typically has a comparativly good chance of >invocation (3 as an average and never less then 1) and some fairly >easily met invocation modifiers. So if people hardly ever see him >anymore, why can he be summoned with such relative ease (somewhere >between 6 and 11 if you have the work of a blind sculptor)? Even if he >did show up what would he have knowlege of considering he stripped >himself of his memories? Sorry if this has already been asked. Don't be sorry... It *is* a little confusing! My take on it has been that Eli's memories are "spotty" -- he remembers about as much as he really needs to at any given time. If invoked, he'll be unfazed by celestials and probably able to do the usual Archangelic stuff. But providing data will be odd... "Dominic? Who? Oh, right -- kind of a stuffed-shirt fellow. What *was* his Word again? Judgment, right. And you need to know if it's safe to go to a city where his Tether is the only one. Um. Well, have you tried writing and asking? And hey, hand me another beer, would you?" If confronted with celestial-caused danger, I suspect he'd snap to something really powerful really quickly. And afterwards, be going "Wow... Forgot I could do that." The chance of invocation, I read as being the chance that he's nearby and "not doing anything ultra important" -- his wanderings will bring him all over the place! Sometimes he's right next door! His memories will never contain anything the GM considers to short- circuit the game. It's also possible that he's *told* everyone he was going to erase memories and *didn't*! Or that he only erased the "clutter" that makes Archangels (and other very old Celestials) get set in their ways -- and uncreative. He may be going on an "input quest," to get more data and think of unconventional ways to work on problems! Paul Strack writes: >As for Eli himself, I sort of picture him as a nice guy that seems rather >scatter-brained, but there are hints that he knows far more than he lets >on. Something he seems merely human, other times much, much more... Definitely. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:08:45 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Attack power, hitting humans, changing form At 2:20 PM -0400 4/23/97, Walter Milliken wrote: >>> When you cause a human damage, but do not kill, does that cause >>> a Symphonic disturbance, and to what extent. The italicized >>> example in the Malakim description would indicate that the answer >>> is a yes, but the Disturbance section of the book implies that >>> it's the _death_ of a human or damage to an inanimate object. >>> It's possible that I read the latter wrong ... I was up late last >>> night. >> >> You read it right, but I think this might be an error. >>Damage to beings _should_ make noise even if you don't kill >>them. > >I believe Moriah gave an official ruling to that effect a while back. And the GM screen summery implies that 4 points of damage to *anything* (not just inanimate objects) will cause noise, IIRC. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: TSRInc@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Role Questions For some reason, he CC'd me on his original post, and now I'm getting a copy from the list and directly from the sender. Please don't reply to both. Thanks! :) - - Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:14:07 -0500 From: Carmen Clemons Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #132 Steven Feldon wrote: > > Really? Most of the time, when I went into my gaming store and asked > for In Nomine and they'd look at me blankly and say, "INWO? > Illuminati?" > > Um. No. Duh. > > steve Well, they wanted the book to come out too. Besides, I was asking them about once-twice a month for a while. *grin* - --Carmen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:19:03 -0600 (CST) From: "The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw" Subject: IN> vessel types... I thought anyone could take animal vessels, within reason ("reason" being defined by the GM). Having a vessel/1 sparrow or something to escape with would be handy, and I thought it was mentioned somewhere. Am I wrong? matt s. "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Raoul Duke Subject: Re: IN> Killing People, and Healing. On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: > fish, > > do you hate this Joe Bystander or what? Makes *me* nervous... Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:04:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Links At 1:03 PM -0700 4/23/97, Hollis McCray wrote: >Here's an idea: Let's let the SJGames webmaster know about all the IN pages >that all you crazy people have bee building. The address to send them to is: > >webmaster@io.com In my case... "SJ Games knows." (To paraquote from In Nomine IOU.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:43:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> _Hell on High_, by Holly Lisle On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Brion K. Lienhart wrote: > Another good book is _Magnifi-Cat_ by (Author not remembered). It's not the one > by Julian May, this is an older one. A cat shows up at the gates of Heaven with > the halo of a maximal saint. Since St. Peter recently computerized the record > systems, and Heaven isn't set up to handle animals, this makes the system > crash. The records for animals got misplaced, so they have to do some > investigating. It is a good story, and the cat does deserve to be a saint. If anyone knows who wrote this, and the ISBN I would be very appreciative. Shadowcat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:32:46 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Role Questions On Apr 23, 11:47am, Shadowcat wrote: > Subject: IN> Role Questions > I have a few questions about roles. > First What level of role would you need to have basic ID such as a > driver's liscence, etc. Also would Yves suply simple "Traveling Papers" to > his servants on earth? This isn't defined (i.e. it's up to the GM), but I'd say Level/1 is sufficient for the basic necessities. If you need 'traveling papers' get a Role. That's what they're for. > Two, on page 43 it says that roles cost: (Sataus + level / 2), but > on page 72 it says that it cost: (2 points per resource level + 2 points > per level(above 1) for appropriate status) This is a large difference > between the two. >From the FAQ: How do humans buy Roles? The rules on p. 72 seem to be wrong. They are indeed inconsistent; please use the following (some repeated from p. 43): Humans don't buy a Role. They can buy levels of Status/x at the cost of [(Status - 1) * 2] with the first level of Status being automatically added for free. In other words, each level of Status beyond the free one costs two points. The cost of a Role for Celestials is the [(Role's Status * Role's Level) / 2], rounded up if necessary. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:42:17 -0600 From: dpearcy@io.com (Derek Patton Pearcy) Subject: IN> The Beast I'd really rather not share anything with the list that is still in a state of flux, but I will occasionally post things I'm working on. The Beast was originally going to be in Night Music, but when we looked at what all we wanted to get in -- Soldiers of Hell, Soldiers of God, Saints, Undead, Expanded writeups for Laurence and Saminga, blah blah blah -- a few things had to come out. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:42:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: (OT) IN> Is your Web Site A Secret? Kill 'em, please. I hear that there are openings in Haagenti's kitchen. *burp* Oops da Ogre, annoyed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:46:05 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Tea and Sympathy Hollis McCray wrote: > > Sorry guys, I was looking at lunchtime and I can't find either the NPC or > the origianal sheet. I'll have to reconstruct them. But when I DO post him, > I will include info on the coffee shop, too. Just as a tease, the name of > the coffee shop is, in full, "The Free Mind Coffee Shop and Strangeness > Emporium." > Did I spell emporium right? Mmmm... memories of in-game cafes.... My favorite is still Cafe Counter-Intelligence, first created in a CYBERSPACE game, that wandered in and out of various games run by various people. Last seen in my MAGE campaign, as the joint for the less stuffy types to hang out. I guess there's something about a cafe that just seems perfect for most modern-day games... the atmosphere, the music, the high level of caffeine... My only regret is that there are so few coffee shops in Hong Kong - I'd love to use one as a base in FENG SHUI... Christ, I'm babbling... better shut up now... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia Thanksgiving's coming on the Fourth of July In the form of a girl with a needle in her eye Well she come from out west on a nickel-worth of gas Got her mind on her money and dope up her ass. BUTTHOLE SURFERS, "The Lord is a Monkey" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:48:52 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Invocations and Eli? Oh, here's a tricky idea for Eli. Suppose he learned something he shouldn't have. Something that even _thinking_ about it might have disastrous consequences for the Symphony. He is purposely throwing himself into the mundane world both to throw people off the trail that might look to him for the knowledge and to avoid revealing the information. It should be a secret of such a nature that were he to act 'responsibly' (i.e. like the other archangels), it would be obvious to certain parties that he had it. Another idea: Eli has been gone on a special mission for a number of decades/centuries. That guy wandering around is NOT Eli. Who is he? How is maintaining the charade? (Possible answers: another archangel, a tough angel with a gift for deception, a demon or other sort of non-angel, God himself in the perfect disguise.) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:04:47 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? WHERE THE SPAM DID THIS COME FROM??? WHERE'S MY FLAMING SWORD!!!!@!@!owl@owlsnest.com wrote: > > Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet? > > We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85 > and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is > guaranteed! > > If you have a great product, but are not getting many inquiries from > your Web site, you may not be adequately listed on the Web's search > engines and indexes. > > Millions of viewers daily use these facilities to find the products > and services they are looking for. But if your site is not listed, no > one will see it. > > Listings on most of these services are free. However, locating and > filling out the forms required to get a listing can take several days, > and most people just don't have the time to do it. > > That is why we offer a web site promotion service. > > WHAT'S THE DEAL? > > We will submit your site to 50 indexes and search engines for $85. We > will accept the return of this E-mail, with the form below filled out, > as an order. We will bill you upon completion of the promotion. Our > terms are net 15 days from date of invoice. 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You agree to protect and indemnify > Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. in any claim for libel, copyright > violations, plagiarism, or privacy and other suits or claims based on > the content or subject matter of your site. > > WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? > > When we receive your order, we will input the information into > our system, and send you a proof. > > After we process any corrections, we will run your promotion, capturing > any comments from search engines as we go. We will incorporate these > into an HTML-formatted report to you, which we will attach to > your bill. > ===Web Promotions=====Press Releases=====Link Exchanges========= > Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. > 260 E. Main Street > Brewster, NY 10509 > Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owlseye@owlsnest.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:56:24 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Invocations and Eli? In reply to: Even if he > did show up what would he have knowlege of considering he stripped > himself of his memories? Sorry if this has already been asked. > I didn't get the impression that he removed his memories. I just thought that he put his past behind himself and went Earth-side. He still knows *who* he is and *what* he is, but he just doesn't give a damn and is enjoying life as a human. Anyway, the chance of summoning Eli (I think) refers more to him just 'happening to be in the area'. If he hears you, he'll drop by, 'cause human life is so much fun he wants to share it with his pals (servants). Anyway, even if you left your life behind but took a portable phone, you'd feel inclined to answer it occassionally. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:09:24 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: Re IN> Jordi Question In reply to: > Did anyone else notice there is a picture of a mouse on Jordi's > page, but none of his servants can take rodents? > If we want to talk about artwork, what's Eli doing on a television screen behind Nybbas along with several Demon Princes? :) Is this a clue? Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:22:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> vessel types... At 3:19 PM -0600 4/23/97, The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw wrote: >I thought anyone could take animal vessels, within reason ("reason" being >defined by the GM). Having a vessel/1 sparrow or something to escape with >would be handy, and I thought it was mentioned somewhere. > >Am I wrong? You're not wrong -- what they're talking about is that the Choirs in Jordi's bunch of angels have particular types of animals they most "resonate" with, and probably often (if not always) have their animal form in that species. Which is why I've made comments about Seraphim of Jordi having dolphin vessels, and the logical conclusions thereof. (Dolphins being the randy creatures they are.) Somebody probably intended them to do whales or something instead, but hey... It's one of the few ways to see a smiling Seraph. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:30:32 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (8.7.4/ult1.04) with ESMTP id RAA06471 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13568 for in_nomine-l-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:49:56 -0500 Received: from owlsnest.com (ns.owlsnest.com [206.112.60.212]) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12931 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:43:20 -0500 From: owl@owlsnest.com Received: (from owl@localhost) by owlsnest.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA07242; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704231518.LAA07242@owlsnest.com> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com [...] >After we process any corrections, we will run your promotion, capturing >any comments from search engines as we go. 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Web: http://www.uu.net Mail: fraud@UU.NET (MassMail Complaint) spam-complaint@UU.NET (Usenet Complaint) - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:10:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Is Your Web Site A Secret? At 5:04 PM -0500 4/23/97, tom timberlake wrote: >WHERE THE SPAM DID THIS COME FROM??? WHERE'S MY FLAMING >SWORD!!!!@!@!owl@owlsnest.com wrote: >> >> Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet? [SNIP] I don't know, but you should use it to *cut* things, not quote the whole damned spam (Spam is from Vapula and Nybbas, designed to make the Net unusuable for anything but advertising) over again! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:19:22 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> New Archangel ANDARIEL- ARCHANGEL OF UNITY. "United we stand, Divided we fall". Adariel has been Archangel of Unity from a time before the Fall. His Word has waxed and waned in power often over the millenia. In the years before the Fall his Word was strong, as all of Heaven stood united under God's rule. During the Fall the Word of Unity was deprived of much of its influence as the demons rebelled against God. Immediately following the Fall Unity grew strong again as Heaven sought to crush the rebels in outright victory. Such an event did not occur however, and the War took on new factions as the Archangels maneuvered for political power. Andariel's Word grew weaker because if the Heavenly Hosts could not stand as one, how could humans be expected to? Recently Andariel has managed to recover some of his influence. Through two World Wars and numerous smaller battles he has managed to bring several nations together. The founding of the United Nations, the destruction of the Berlin Wall, the death of Apartheid, all these events have aided Andariel in promoting Unity. Andariel is a Kyriotate, an apparently unusual choice for Archangel of Unity. However, as Andariel points out, only a Kyriotate can appreciate the need for all parts to act as a whole in order to overcome adversity. In celestial form Andariel does not appear as a traditional formless Kyriotate. He appears as a large group of people of indeterminate age, size and feature. Whenever he talks to someone or they talk to him, one of his 'crowd' of bodies assumes an exact likeness of that person. When he attends the Seraph Council meetings the room literally doubles with people as each one has a doppleganger formed. These doubles are identical to the original in every way, except that they have featureless eyes, simple white orbs. Andariel uses this duplication of individuals as a sign that Heaven must unite as one and leave their petty differences behind if they are to win the War against Hell. Most other Archangels find this little quirk annoying, especially when they are forced to talk to 'themselves'. DISSONANCE. It is dissonant for followers of Andariel to introduce disunity into a union. This could include marriages, business partnerships or even sports teams. It is also dissonant for his servants to not attempt to unite parties for the common good. His servants often have Roles such as marriage councilors, social workers and psychologists in an effort to restore Unity to people's lives. CHOIR ATTUNEMENTS. SERAPHIM- More sensitive to the mind games humans play with themselves, Andariel's Seraphim can use their Resonance to not only detect the truth of a statement, but can also feel whether that statement is absolutely true, or whether it is merely true according to the subject's perpective. CHERUBIM- These angels can attune themselves to couples, partnerships, teams or any other union. Each of these bondings only counts as one towards their limit. They can fell each member of that union as if thee had a separate bond to them. This does mean that if they attune themselves to too large a group, they are going to be busy protecting them all. OFANIM- Masters of coincidence, Andariel's Ofanim can use their Resonance on other people. If successful, the person they use it on will 'just happen' to run into someone they had been hoping to meet up with but couldn't find the time, or some other obstacle was in the way. ELOHIM- Heavenly Councilors, these angels may add their Celestial Forces to the Target Number OR the Check Digit of any attempt to bring two sides together to reach a common understanding. MALAKIM- Andariel's Bulldozers. With a Perception Roll, these Malakim can see the biggest obstacle in the subject's path of a reunion (for example, an estranged daughter's stepfather, lack of money etc.) These angels may then take whatever steps they deem necessary to remove the obstacle. KYRIOTATES- Andariel's favourite uniters, his Kyriotates may possess living creatures up to TWICE the level of their total Forces (18 for a starting character!) They can not inhabit inanimate objects however. MERCURIANS- By bringing the subjects the angel is attempting to reunit together, Andariel's Mercurians may invoke their resonance to strip away the emotional barriers from all parties, allowing honest, emotional discussion. This lasts for the angel's (Celestial Forces x Check Digit) hours. This can be a dangerous ability. If not handled carefully, when its effects expire, the subjects will realise what happened and may be aggressive towards the angel. Hostile or resistant subjects may make a Will roll - angel's Celestial Forces to resist the effects. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS. CALM HEART- Anger and aggression can severely hinder the reunion process. An angel with this power may spend Essence and make a Will roll to cause the subjects to calm down and react peacefully. No ther emotions are effected, but the subjects will not be able to hate or grow angry with each other (or the parties they represent) for a period of (Check Digit) days. Unfortunately, these 'cease-fires' are a temorary solution only. The amount of Essence required depends on the size of the group. 1- 2 people; 2- up to 10 people; 3- up to 100 people; 4- 2 large organisations; 5- 2 military forces; 10- 2 nations. Subjects may resist with a (Will- angel's Forces) roll. REMOVING THE BLINDFOLD- With a Perception roll and 1 Essence, the Angel can cause a subject to not only see their own side of any argument, but the other person's point of view as well. This is not guaranteed to grant peace, but being able to see that your argument is not 100% correct can dramatically affect a person's opinion. DISTINCTIONS. COUNCILOR- This angel can immediately see exactly what is the cause of any argument or disagreement. ARBITRATOR- This servant can view a situation and see which side has the 'better' claim or most valid argument in any dispute (GMs discretion). JUDGE- as above, but the angel with this distinction can not only see who is 'right' they can impose their decision on others. The subjects must succeed in a (Will- angel's Forces) roll or accept the angel's decision and make peace according to the angel's terms. RELATIONS. Andariel promotes unity hence he does not hold any Heavenly force above the others. He walks a fine line. If others seek his opinion (knowing that his judgement is fair, unlike Dominic's occassionally) then he will deliver it without bias. This is reflected in his politcal profile. Allied: None. Associated: All. Neutral: None. Hostile: None. BASIC RITES. *Bring people together peacefully (2 Essence if more than 100 people). *Break up a fight or argument. *Arbitrate a dispute (2 Essence if between Celestials). CHANCE OF INVOCATION:- 2 Modifiers: +1 A symbol of peace. +2 A location of Unity (eg. Stadium, Meeting hall etc.) +3 A human settling a dispute. +4 Ten people uniting for a common cause. +5 One thousand people uniting for a common cause. +6 A nation uniting for a common cause. TETHER. Andariel's greatest Tether at the moment is the United Nations Headquarters. He often has Tethers in other sites of unity. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- There you go, I hope someone likes him. Leath. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #136 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.