From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Apr 30 01:20:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19192 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:20:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19996 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:25:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:25:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199704300525.AAA19996@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #146 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, April 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 146 In this digest: IN> Original Sin IN> Naarai Quote Re: IN> Archangel of Children Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #144 Re: IN>Kobalic Humour... Re: IN> The War Revealed - Warrior Nun Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #144 Re: IN> Archangel of Children Re: IN> Original Sin Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) Re: IN> Problems with an adventure Re: IN> AA of Children [none] [none] IN> Songs, Charming and Stunning IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 IN> Re: Odd notions (Re: Faiths) Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment [none] Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment Re: Re: IN> Original Sin Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment IN> Re: Angels and pregnancy again... IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) [none] Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) Re: IN>Kobalic Humour... Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment IN> Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 IN> Re: IN> Starting a Game Ghosts (Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) Re: IN> Original Sin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Apr 97 15:33:39 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Original Sin >From: Peter Frederick >Subject: IN> Original Sin > >Dear List > >i know we have a couple of threads about Sin and Faith going at the momnent, >but one of my (non-Net connected) players asked what was the game take on >Original Sin was in In Nomine. From what I can see it isn't taken at any >strength, but I am interested to see what other people think. IN NOMINE has no official stance on Original Sin. It is a theological construct of certain Christian denominations to explain the broken state of the world and human nature. >Thanking you for your indulgence. IN NOMINE has no stance on indulgences, either. Peace, Moriah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:08:29 -0500 From: Carmen Clemons Subject: IN> Naarai Quote Just realized that I forgot to give a quote for the Archangel of Children. "Suffer the little children to come unto me, but don't let the children suffer." It's a touch trite, I know, but's it's all I can come up with. If anyone's got another suggestion, please let me know. - --Carmen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:13:06 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Children On Apr 29, 1:43pm, Carmen Clemons wrote: > Subject: IN> Archangel of Children > Yes, I'm still at it. I'm not so sure about the Malakim attunement, > does anyone have another suggestion? > > Naarai > Archangel of Children There is an Archangel of Children (Christopher) slated for the Night Music supplement. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:10:40 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #144 On Apr 29, 2:04pm, Walter Milliken wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #144 > [Rogue:] > >> I hope that someone is keeping track of these newbies and > >>sending them the *correct* way to sign up? > > > >Oh, uhm, we thought *you* were doing, ArchBeth. > > She's not in charge of the list, just the archives. Ayup. I usually mail the person a quick set of instructions when I see stuff like this come up. I'm not sure who has all the passwords and stuff to actually administer the list. My guess is Moriah. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:58:04 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Kobalic Humour... At 6:46 PM -0400 4/28/97, Cymrys@AOL.COM wrote: >A BALSERAPH SERVANT OF KOBAL'S IDEA OF FUN IS... > >Crossing Dominic with Jean to get a light bulb that never goes out - just in >case. "How many Servitors of Judgment does it take to change a light bulb?" "Three. One to say it's dark, one to agree with the first one, and one to shoot it for going Dark. Of course, they never get around to *changing* it..." >'Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Prank a Malakite, and you're on your >own...' emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:58:24 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> The War Revealed - Warrior Nun Peter Frederick wrote: > At 02:17 PM 25/4/97 -0500, Shadowcat wrote: > >On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > >> Hmmm... I'll pass, thanks. Nice idea, lousy end result (why do all > >> the nuns have to have 36-D breasts in those comics?). > > > > Well at least in the case of Warrior Nun B&W #1&2 the artist, Art > >Lyon, allways draws his women over muscled, and he has a thing for large > >breasted women. He was a friend of mine in Bloomington IN. > > > > Shadowcat, who needs to get back to Indiana to get his copies > >sighned. > > Well Pat, if you want to know the truth, females are drawn like that in > comics cause the target market is male adolescents and there is nothing > better to get a boys attention than a well developed females. o'course> Peter, two things (said in my best Marcelus Wallace voice): 1. It's Patrick, not Pat. I've always HATED being called Pat! 2. Dude, I've worked in a comic shop in Brisbane for over 4 years - trust me, I _know_ how these things work! Doesn't mean I have to like it... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia Touch me - hate me Give yourself to me and break me Cut these eyes and I will see Kiss these lying lips for me Stroke this skin and I will kneel Brutalize me, I will heal. KMFDM, "Brute" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:10:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #144 At 2:04 PM -0400 4/29/97, Walter Milliken wrote: >[Rogue:] >>> I hope that someone is keeping track of these newbies and >>>sending them the *correct* way to sign up? >> >>Oh, uhm, we thought *you* were doing, ArchBeth. > >She's not in charge of the list, just the archives. >>[snip IN PBEM} >> >>>me too >>> >>>kestre1@aol.com >> >>I'd like to join one, as well. Hell, with everyone wanting to, we could >>form our own. Does anybody know how? > >Yes. First, you find a Shedite to possess the victim you've chosen to >GM.... Either that, or the Angel of Sadomasochism... Seriously, check out Karakash's web-pages for an example of a PBEM in progress... (2 actually -- a B&B one, and an In Nomine one.) http://www.io.com/~wileyc/ And remember that PBEMs take looooong times to do things. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:32:39 -0500 From: Carmen Clemons Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Children John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > There is an Archangel of Children (Christopher) slated for the > Night Music supplement. *smacks forehead* I thought someone else had done this one, but when I couldn't find it in my files, I thought I was mistaken...ah, well. *grin* - --Carmen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:12:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Original Sin At 3:33 PM -0400 4/29/97, Moriah - Steve Jackson Games wrote: >>From: Peter Frederick >>Thanking you for your indulgence. > > IN NOMINE has no stance on indulgences, either. But if you want to donate enough money, they might indulge you with a cameo somewhere... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) At 2:36 PM -0500 4/29/97, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >>>Exactly what I was thinking. It would have to be a Free Lil with the >>>firm friendship of both Janus and Valefor. > >>Then how would you be Bound? As I understand it, you have to clear a >>Word by a council of He(aven)(ll), and a Free Lilim would have little >>or no ties left with either one. No ties *on* her, at least. Who says that a Free Lilim can't be holding the reins on any number of demons, angels, Princes, Archangels...? Being Free just means that you've no shackles of your own, not that you don't keep a celestial charm-bracelet of the Geasa that others owe you. (*Is* there a celestial manifestation of Geasa? Of the ones that you're owed as well as the ones you owe? It seems to me there should be...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 17:39 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Problems with an adventure > It involves the tainting of >drugs with a rather nasty Diabolic chemical that enhances the effects of a >drug and instantly addicts someone in a very nasty way to it. I was >thinking Andrealphus would be likely the best of the choices, but what do >you people think? I think Haagenti would be a little closer than Andre -- after all, addiction is the ultimate in encouraging consumption.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:06:50 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> AA of Children I know the Voice has Spoken, that there will be an AA of Children in Night Music, but I couldn't help it--here's your quote for Naarai, or at least my take on Naarai's quote: ...the child is black, the child is white, together they grow to see the Light, to see the Light. .... tom \\\\++++++\/\/\/~~~~~~\/\/\/++++++//// "...say hello to the frog..." Heather Alexander _life's flame_ "the garden" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: [none] hey, someone answer this: if two celestials copulated in vessels would/ could a child be conceived. jahon the dirty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: [none] this is just in case someone is interested: in St.Louis there is a coffee shop called "Cup o' Joe's". when you enter the shop is actually quite small. behind the counter (unless you roll 11 or ^ on 2d6) is a man with long brown hair wearing old jeans and a plain white te shirt. at night there will almost always be a beautiful woman playing an acoustic guitar and singing folk tunes. she is really attractive (+4 reaction/charisma)!!! there may be and older late 40- early50 looking man inside, his salt&pepper beard and hair make him look a little older. a muscular black man sits alone in a corner sipping something from a mug and enjoying the scene. the room is , as i said, small inside maybe 30/30 with old brick walls ans an oak floor and bar. the lighting comes from ceiling fans and various hanging lamps. the room is usually smoky and fairly dimly lit, yet very cozy and a sweet aroma fills the air. open mic invites would be poets to spill forth the verses and a new angel in town can find any of the above mentioned people who are angels as guides or just a shoulder to lean on. 2 points of essence can be regenerated if they sit inside for atleast 2 hours, though this is a perk, let the angels know they feel comfortable, but don't tell them why until they leave. various other angels as well stop in for baked pastires and essence. one, who is listed below, will sometimes stop in. though this is in St.Louis, it could be anywhere. it is a safe haven, diabolicals are warded off inside, and a place where one can spend the night (open24/7) and contact help from in the city. angel(it means holy messanger) he is called God's Favorite, even by Yves. He seems to be a mercurian in his celestial form, but no one knows for sure. his corporeal form is a fair skinned blond, with beautiful bleu eyes. his hair is to his shoulders and he wears blue jeans and a tee shirt, and a coat if needed. he always has a leather satchel with the strap crossingfrom one shoulder to the opposing hip. he delivers messages from God or anyone in the higher realms of heaven to arcangels or whom ever is needed. he has never fought anyone, who lived to tell about it atleast. he has charisma at 6 and a voice that almost enchants its audience. i have him at 6 forces each and 12 in the subcatergories. he also carries a +6 flame sword and knows any needed songs or attunement. after all, his is God's Fav!!! this guy is someone i introduced because i wanted a voice from God if i needed on later. angel is very loving and genial, however will not aid in battle, he only fights if attacked which no one have ever seen happen and is ordered not to tell secrets he knows or help out too much(GM's discrettion) i hope you like jahon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:25:35 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: IN> Songs, Charming and Stunning I'm still trying to get a handle on Charming and Stunning: Song of Charm: "It's possible to be so damn charming to people they're stunned." This is listed in the index under "stunning." Is it to be taken literally and cause physical stunning if a characteristic is reduced enough? (And what is enough?) Should the Song of Charm be taken as just characteristics lowering or should it have implicit effects on the character? For example, should effects like these be considered as resulting from a characteristic being lowered to one: Strength--the character collapses in a heap Agility--the character cannot make a physical attack Intelligence--unable to make a mental attack or decision Precision--unable to walk and chew gum simultanueously Will--unable to decide to act Perception--blinded While someone is stunned, does he still resist further attacks with Will rolls? Can he spend Essence to boost his Will rolls or for any other reason while still stunned? Dropping Body by 25% stuns for one round. What about a 25% hit to Mind, Soul, or a characteristic? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:34:44 -0700 From: "Christopher Jackson" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 Just a few notes on the Archangel of Children. Most of this, I like. However . . . All of the choir attunements seem to be related to either locating or avenging abused children. I in no means want to lessen the importance of this, either to the real world or to an Archangel devoted to protecting children. Still, thank God, there is more to childhood than various forms of child abuse. Of course, any Archangel of Children would be worried, and would want to do something. That's what Malakim are for. And if none are available at the moment, perhaps a quick call to Gabriel? I would guess that most of the time, Angels of Children would be concerned with things that are important to children, but that the rest of us don't really worry about. Schoolyard bullies. Homework. Fitting in at a new school. Valentines Day (now that was an ordeal.) Keeping parents together even when that's not really the best thing. Still, any angel serving the AA of Children, upon detecting the slightest amount of abuse, would be Really Pissed Off, and probably capable of dealing with the situation without special powers. Although, now that I mention it, would they be allowed too? How much interferance is too much, without interfering with free will? Of course, that opens the "Why does God permit evil" can of worms. Perhaps I should just stop talking now. Christopher B. Jackson (not the Archangel of Children, but I was one once. I child, I mean, not an Archangel.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:36:39 +1000 From: Mark Grundy Subject: IN> Re: Odd notions (Re: Faiths) Moriah wrote: > That sort of world where belief creates reality is part of the Mage world. It is not part of the official IN NOMINE world, except for that maybe some Ethereal Spirits claim that's the way it is, and it might be, but everything else points to the Christian Mythos as being stable and unaffected by belief. Elizabeth wrote: > For some reason, I am getting a strange notion that the In Nomine universe would not conflict with a "belief" system which was ... Drat. Can't articulate it. Here, an example -- if all of a sudden the Christian religion was wiped away and replaced with Wodan and crowd, this would not necessarily mean that our favorite angels (or demons) would alter their basic natures, nor even necessarily their tasks, goals, and methods. *Humans* would merely start calling them different things, and intrepreting some of their actions slightly differently. I'm trying for a Symphony that's not specifically Christian, but for which Christianity is just one of several faiths that work in the system. I feel that just about any faith that focuses on harmony with an overall community, on respect for life, appreciation of beauty, that has compassion for the weak and suffering, ought to be harmonious with the Symphony. In my telling, humanity can't codify the universe in a single articulated faith. It is their spirit and actions and not blind adherence to any single book of wisdom, or its concepts that determines their destiny. The role of angels in this scheme is that they are spiritual articulations of the Symphony -- see them as tools, if you like. They are powerful, but finite, and not always able to sustain their demanding roles. Those that fail, Fall to become demons -- disillusioned and having left service to the Symphony, they simply look after themselves. Angels are mandated to assimilate or destroy these guys because they disrupt the Symphony for their own petty purposes. In this scheme, angels and demons aren't engaged in some conspiracy over humanity. Humanity is simply one element of the Symphony -- an element that has value to demons because humans are excellent tools and essence batteries, an element that is protected by angels because *every* aspect of the Symphony is protected by angels. Angels and demons are not in conspiracy, hiding from humans. Their concealment comes from the fact that celestial manipulations of corporeal realms creates backlash in the delicate realm of the celestial -- dwellings can fall, Words can be lost, spirits can be destroyed... the Symphony damaged. Thus, massive intercession on Earth attracts a lot of unwanted attention from both heaven and hell. (You'd be cranky too if your celestial house had fallen down due to some idiot's rampage on earth.) There's still nothing to stop angels or demons announcing themselves on the telly. It's just that neither side has chosen to do so as a concerted effort yet -- presumably, it would be seen as an escalation from cold to hot War. Dominic is still adamant that a single, global religion called Christianity is the best way to harmonise humanity with the Symphony, but there are other angels who see it differently. Some may believe that multiple religions would work better for humanity. Others may believe that a single religion *not* called Christianity may work better. Although monotheism is now popular in heaven, there was a time when polytheism was acceptable to many angels. Yet others simply don't care about these issues -- they're too busy looking after rocks and mountains. In this telling, any Creator sits far in the background -- out of scope of the story. It may be that the Creator and the Creation are one. Or it may be that there are truths beyond the truths known to angels. Yves, who is by far the smartest and most long-sighted of the angels, isn't clear about this. Cheers, Mark - -- Dr Mark Grundy, DCS, Phone: +61-6-249 3785 Education Co-ordinator, Fax: +61-6-249 0010 CRC for Advanced Computational Systems, The Australian National University, Web: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Mark.Grun dy 0200 Australia Email: Mark.Grundy@anu.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:08:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > [When I first undertook this, I had this strong temptation to run > through the *Choirs* and *Archangels*, and then footnote it, "Oh, and > there are demons out there too." But I didn't. Though it's easy > enough to stereotype Judgment (*Nobody* likes Internal Security), > it's probably, well, unjust. DominicNet should have little complaint > here.] JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT. Dominic.Net - keeping Heaven safe from heresy - -- "Illuminati Do they truly rule the world? You're not cleared to know." Disclaimer: They're my opinions, but they're your problem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: [none] completely off the subject does anyone here like prince or collect star wars ccg? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:20:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment At 6:08 PM -0500 4/29/97, Thany wrote: >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> [When I first undertook this, I had this strong temptation to run >> through the *Choirs* and *Archangels*, and then footnote it, "Oh, and >> there are demons out there too." But I didn't. Though it's easy >> enough to stereotype Judgment (*Nobody* likes Internal Security), >> it's probably, well, unjust. DominicNet should have little complaint >> here.] > >JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT. > >Dominic.Net - keeping Heaven safe from heresy Heh heh heh... What, you think there's something heretical in that lot? Name it. >"Illuminati >Do they truly rule the world? >You're not cleared to know." Fnord. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:32:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 6:08 PM -0500 4/29/97, Thany wrote: > >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > >> [When I first undertook this, I had this strong temptation to run > >> through the *Choirs* and *Archangels*, and then footnote it, "Oh, and > >> there are demons out there too." But I didn't. Though it's easy > >> enough to stereotype Judgment (*Nobody* likes Internal Security), > >> it's probably, well, unjust. DominicNet should have little complaint > >> here.] > > > >JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT. > > > >Dominic.Net - keeping Heaven safe from heresy > Heh heh heh... What, you think there's something heretical in > that lot? Name it. have one...> WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY ACCUSATIONS OR ACTIONS AGAINST YOU... YET. CONSIDER THIS A WARNING. DO NOT ABUSE YOUR LICENSE TO RELEASE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS, LEST IT AND MORE BE REVOKED. Dominc.Net - keeping Heaven safe from heresy - -- "Illuminati Do they truly rule the world? You're not cleared to know." Disclaimer: They're my opinions, but they're your problem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:58:10 From: jaeden_handofgod@usa.net Subject: Re: Re: IN> Original Sin By my standpoint, Original sin can be thought of as the never-ending struggle of Destiny vs. Fate(much like the battle of Good/Evil). A man/woman aspires to greatness(destiny) but the lingering doubts, fears and influences can drag them down(Fate). Just my two cents. Dues Ex Machinas, Jaeden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:54:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment At 6:32 PM -0500 4/29/97, Thany wrote: >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> At 6:08 PM -0500 4/29/97, Thany wrote: >> >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> > >> >> [When I first undertook this, I had this strong temptation to run >> >> through the *Choirs* and *Archangels*, and then footnote it, "Oh, and >> >> there are demons out there too." But I didn't. Though it's easy >> >> enough to stereotype Judgment (*Nobody* likes Internal Security), >> >> it's probably, well, unjust. DominicNet should have little complaint >> >> here.] >> > >> >JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT. >> > >> >Dominic.Net - keeping Heaven safe from heresy > >> Heh heh heh... What, you think there's something heretical in >> that lot? Name it. > have one...> > >WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY ACCUSATIONS OR ACTIONS AGAINST YOU... YET. CONSIDER >THIS A WARNING. DO NOT ABUSE YOUR LICENSE TO RELEASE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS, >LEST IT AND MORE BE REVOKED. But *Yves* likes them. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:11:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: Angels and pregnancy again... At 6:19 PM -0400 4/29/97, gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: >hey, > someone answer this: if two celestials copulated in vessels would/ could >a child be conceived. Been there, done that... No, really! Do you have access to the digests? There's a *lot* of material there on this exact topic. Summerizing from memory... Some, if not many (and certainly not all) GMs would allow this. Most would require either a mongo Essence expenditure, and/or actual *Forces* to be contributed to the child from the parents. It would *always* be a matter of choice between the pair -- no "accidents;" both have to be intentionaly creating a child. Child goes with vessel -- you have to stay 9 months in that vessel to birth it. (Or less, if using animal vessels?) Human-celestial couplings probably work, but usually/often produce a human child (possibly with memetic qualities -- hyperactive if parent was Ofanite, techie if a servitor of Jean, etc.); may be related to number of Forces contributed by celestial parent, may be chance, may *always* be human these days (though the Children of the Grigori are stated to be celestials in a few places... Perhaps those are the *celestial* ones, and the human ones are much more plentiful). Celestials in Heaven having kids have been suggested to be the source of Relievers. (This is house-rule in our campaign.) I think that about covers it... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:36:01 -0700 From: "Christopher Jackson" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 Servitors of Andrealphus? Easy. Pornography, of course. Fashion Magazines. Women In Comic Books Who Have A Smaller Waist Than They Do Breasts. The Demon of Purple Velvet Pants. Dominic? Just Aquittal. Remorse. No Fault Divorce. The Fashion Police. Novalis? Hedge Mazes. Any individual plant. Last Minute Attempts To Salvage A Romantic Relationship After You've Said Something Really, Really Stupid. Corsages. All of these ideas take the respective Superior's Words very literally, of course, but other people are providing the metaphoric ones. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:40:44 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:53 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >(*Is* there a celestial manifestation of Geasa? Of the ones that >you're owed as well as the ones you owe? It seems to me there >should be...) You're thinking Jacob Marley here or...? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:08:51 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: [none] On Apr 29, 6:19pm, gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: > Subject: > hey, > > someone answer this: if two celestials copulated in vessels would/ could > a child be conceived. The NON-Canon answer to that is that is yes. I've made up some rules and they are being scrutinized carefully by the gods (small 'g') of In Nomine. Until they decide, I can't give a Canon answer to that question. You might note that the Children of the Grigori are out there and are descended from both humans and angels. If that's the case, it seems reasonable that two celestials could do so as well. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:04:43 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) > (*Is* there a celestial manifestation of Geasa? Of the ones that > you're owed as well as the ones you owe? It seems to me there > should be...) Tricky question, that. I would say that there is a sign, but it is _very_ well hidden and usually subject to inspection. Of course a GM could go the other way and say that the victim always has a bracelet or shackle for each Geas owed while in Celestial form. The bigger the Geas, the bigger the bond. And the Geas-holder has a Celestial key or string for each Geas (or some other symbolic representation of the Geasa). Either way can be fun. It depends on whether you want the players avoiding the Celestial plane like mad when they have a Geas on, or whether you want stuff to happen 'behind the scenes'. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:00:44 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN>Kobalic Humour... How many Seraphim does it take to change a light bulb? Seraphim don't need light to see the truth. How many Cherubim does it take to change a light bulb? If I had been watching it, it wouldn't have gone out to being with. How many Ofanim does it take to change a light bulb? Wouldn't it just be quicker to drive the car into the room? How many Elohim does it take to change a light bulb? Both the light and the dark are necessary. How many Malakim does it take to change a light bulb? Pow! Tinkle! It had gone bad... How many Kyriotates does it take to change a light bulb? Fourteen. One. Yes. How many Mercurians does it take to change a light bulb? Hey fellas! I'm having a lightbulb changing party, invite the gang! How many Balseraphs does it take to change a light bulb? The lightbulb is _fine_. It is NOT dark in here, is it? How many Djinn does it take to change a light bulb? Stay away from that bulb! No one touches it but me! How many Calabim does it take to change a light bulb? Tinkle! Whoops, there goes another one. Any left in that case? How many Habbalah does it take to change a light bulb? OOOOOOOH! I HATE THE WAY THEY BURN OUT LIKE THAT! How many Lilim does it take to change a light bulb? I tell you what, let's make a deal... How many Shedim does it take to change a light bulb? Switch off? Now let's put the broken glass back in the bulb with the gasoline. Ahhhh, good. So the family gets back around five? How many Impudites does it take to change a light bulb? Just change that bulb for me, luv. Oh, thanks. My you look tired, maybe you should sit down? - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:12:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Walt Mazur wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:53 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy > wrote: > >(*Is* there a celestial manifestation of Geasa? Of the ones that > >you're owed as well as the ones you owe? It seems to me there > >should be...) > You're thinking Jacob Marley here or...? Are ghosts Celestial, or Ethereal? I haven't found any mention of them in the book, yet. - -- "Illuminati Do they truly rule the world? You're not cleared to know." Disclaimer: They're my opinions, but they're your problem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:10:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Thany Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals: #3, Judgment On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 6:32 PM -0500 4/29/97, Thany wrote: > >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > >> Heh heh heh... What, you think there's something heretical in > >> that lot? Name it. >> have one...> > > > >WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY ACCUSATIONS OR ACTIONS AGAINST YOU... YET. CONSIDER > >THIS A WARNING. DO NOT ABUSE YOUR LICENSE TO RELEASE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS, > >LEST IT AND MORE BE REVOKED. > But *Yves* likes them. Then he wouldn't be too surprised either way, would he? - -- "Illuminati Do they truly rule the world? You're not cleared to know." Disclaimer: They're my opinions, but they're your problem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:48:30 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: IN> Re: At 06:44 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >this is just in case someone is interested: > >in St.Louis there is a coffee shop called "Cup o' Joe's". Much like the coffee shop Iwill write up when I have the time. But with its differences. Later. Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:14:25 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #145 > >[Rogue:] >>> I hope that someone is keeping track of these newbies and >>>sending them the *correct* way to sign up? >> >>Oh, uhm, we thought *you* were doing, ArchBeth. > >She's not in charge of the list, just the archives. I know. It's just fun to tease the poor Archbeth. >[When I first undertook this, I had this strong temptation to run >through the *Choirs* and *Archangels*, and then footnote it, "Oh, and >there are demons out there too." But I didn't. Though it's easy >enough to stereotype Judgment (*Nobody* likes Internal Security), >it's probably, well, unjust. DominicNet should have little complaint >here.] WE FIND YOUR LIST ACCEPTABLE, ARCHBETH. WE HOPE THIS MEANS YOU HAVE ABANDONED YOUR SOMETIMES HERETICAL VIEWS. CARRY ON. - -DominicNet. Keeping Heaven safe from heresy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:12:59 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Watt" Subject: IN> Re: Corey wrote: > > Hey Archangel Beth, if, by the fates' whim, you should find the > time, could you do a Know the enemy from Dominic's point of view. Thanks > in advance. Starting, Presumably, with Seraphs..? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:09:58 -0500 From: Auspex Subject: IN> Starting a Game I'm just wondering if any of you have ideas how to go about organizing a game of in-nomine. I've tried to run games, but it's just so disorganized and it's hard to keep the players occupied. Any tips? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:12:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Ghosts (Re: Word of Anarchy (Re: IN> Demon Prince Bazur) On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Thany wrote: > Are ghosts Celestial, or Ethereal? I haven't found any mention of them in > the book, yet. Ethereal, I believe. If they were Celestial, they'd end up in Heaven or Hell, and probably wouldn't be ghosts. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Strack" Subject: Re: IN> Original Sin I think that Original Sin is one of those things that angels sit up late at night and argue about. There is no "official word" from Heaven as to whether humans have Original Sin or not. My *personal* take on Original Sin is that it has less to do with some nebulous crime committed by Adam and Eve, and more to do with the very nature of finite beings such as humans. I think that God is perfectly willing to accept all humanity into her arms. Humans, being finite, cannot grasp the entire concept of God, however. Original Sin signifies that humans must strive to attune themselves to the Divine in order to reach a state of Grace and be saved. Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ World of Darkness Page - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #146 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1996 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.