From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu May 22 12:30:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10655 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:30:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17844 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:45:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:45:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199705221645.LAA17844@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #179 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 22 1997 Volume 01 : Number 179 In this digest: Re: IN> Dominic Questions IN> start of Angel of Art, wip. Re: IN>Celestial =?UNKNOWN?Q?Suicde=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF?= Re: IN> Re: Celestial suicide Re: IN> Redemption for Lilim? Re: IN> Redemption for Lilim? Re: IN> Gabriel question IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 Re: IN> Screwtape, Demon of Temptation Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) IN> [Who's Who In Heaven?] An Alternate-Universe Archangel IN> [Who's Who In Heaven?] An Alternate-Universe Archangel Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 Re: IN> [Who's Who In Heaven?] An Alternate-Universe Archangel IN> Calabite Resonance re: IN> start of Angel of Art, wip. Re: IN> Re: Celestial suicide IN> Re: Automated email searches Re: IN> Re: Automated email searches Re: IN>Celestial Suicde Re: IN> Angels for everything Re: IN> Did-it's Search Engine Secrets Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) Re: IN> Re: Automated email searches IN> New seed idea (BTW its NOT serious) IN> "In Nomine: The Fall" anyone? IN> Re: Dominic Questions IN> IN?> McChurch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:00:28 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Questions >> Does Dominic's attunement of Heavenly Judgement _always_ work on Demons? > >IMHO, only if the angel accuses the demons of a crime for which they are >actually guilty. Just "being a demon" wouldn't cut it. Especially when one considers the "servitors of Dominic and Asmodeus working together to find Renegades" plot from the back of the rulebook. -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:17:52 -0600 (CST) From: "The Incredibly Unremarkable Cliffy Q. Scrimshaw" Subject: IN> start of Angel of Art, wip. here it is.. send any comments directly to me, and I'll read them sometime. see you in fall. "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| thoughts for Angel of Art: Word-bound servitor of Eli works well with Jordi(?) and Blandine puts up with most others, doesn't like Dominic (too many Inquisition-type problems with art), doesn't care much for Gabriel either. possible attunements: merc.: see what an artist is best at and worst at (styles, media, and subjects, depending on CD). Elohim: perceive what emotion (if any) the artist was trying to convey, and what emotion (if any) most viewers will have. (excellent objective critics: will the audience understand it the way the artist intended?) Or, alternately, see what the artist feels about the piece. Kyrio.: can posess works of art, and 'see' those who view the art (ever had the eerie feeling a painting was watching you?) can posess (Corp. Forces) number of art pieces, after which they start going into the usual allocation of total Forces to posess things. Very large works may count as more than one Force for this purpose. Malakim: possibly lessen difficulty of double-strike (two attacks in one round) because of beautiful martial art movements that nearly stun opponent just to watch. other comments? always open to comments.. matt s. "Life is like a yo-yo: .-. it has its ups and downs, __ __| | plus a few loops now & then." \ V / (() --Matt, a.k.a. CliffyQS@Earthling.net |_| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN>Celestial =?UNKNOWN?Q?Suicde=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF?= if a celstial want to die, charging into hell screaming,"lucifer's a big pussy" would probably do it. jahon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial suicide On Wed, 21 May 1997, Ella Lynoure Rajamaki wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 1997 gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: > > > why ask this question, if your players want to commit suicide then say > > its done and play on with the people who want to play > > If players want to commit a suicide, try to help them with their problems. > If characters want to commit a suicide, ask player to explain why the > character does that, and if it seems like good role-playing, let the > player make another character. If not, ask the player stop wasting your > time. > Lynoure damn skippy!!! jahon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@nku.edu Subject: Re: IN> Redemption for Lilim? in response to the lillim "rising", if they can pull off all the geasa then yes, i think they can. malakim cannot fall because they police themselves too well. diabolicals would be too selfish to police themselves that well. although asmodeus may try to stop the lillim. it would make a great story to see angels accepting and trying to aid the lillim without them gaining discord or dissonance. they might try to help her pay off her debts by the words of the debts, not the spirit of them. like i said this would be an excellent adventure for a group of celestials to try. jahon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:56:22 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Redemption for Lilim? On May 20, 8:13pm, Steve Syrek wrote: > Subject: IN> Redemption for Lilim? > I hope this question hasn't been answered already, but is it impossible for > Lilim to achieve redemption as it is impossible for Malakim to fall? I know > they never fell to begin with, but is it possible for a Lilim to wish to be > "good" instead of "evil" or is it just absolutely contrary to their natures? Redeemed or 'Bright' Lilim are indeed possible, though very rare. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:27:46 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel question On May 21, 6:59pm, Peter Frederick wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel question > Dear Kurt, John, Shadow and List > > just another Gabriel question while we are thinking about them. > > Do Servitors of Gabriel gain Dissonance while in Heaven for not punishing > there assigned class of sinners? > > If so it could mean that almost _all_ of Gabriel's Servitors are on Earth > _all_ the time, not good if something nasty comes out iof the Marches, tho I > guess the Malakim would still be at home. Gabriel's servitors are required to punish anyone currently on their 'hit list'. After that one is done, they must punish the next one that they meet. Between those two times, they are free to do as they will. If someone is currently on the 'hit list', going up to Heaven will _not_ protect you from dissonance! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 06:55:20 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 >Anybody care to think about a really high-force Kyrio of Jean >possessing the Death Star? According to the rules, one with 1 force left could do it. Scary, huh? ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:22:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: Re: IN> Screwtape, Demon of Temptation On Tue, 20 May 1997, at 22:32:08 CDT, Thany wrote: >On Tue, 20 May 1997, Austin George Loomis wrote: [...] >> Austin George "What do you think, sirs?" Loomis > > It stinks! > Oh bite me -- it's fun. >It's good, really. Except I'd figure a first generation Demon for having >more Forces... I was trying to make him on a par with the Word-bound types we've been given already -- Orc and Lynoure from the Book, Hamet from "Feast of Blades"...if _Night Music_ were already out, I could probably use Druiel as an additional guideline. >Also, the John Cleese voice is funny. "How to Irritate People", indeed! ;) > Thanks. As you may have already guessed (if you knew about this), I picked Cleese because he's done a books-on-tape version of the Letters which you can, if you're lucky, buy through the sort of catalog that sells audiobooks (Recorded Books, Wireless, etc). On Wed, 21 May 1997, at 09:08:50 CDT, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >I very much like the translation of Screwtape into IN terms, but >I wouldn't give him such a high rank. In the letters, he describes >himself as "an under-secretary of a department," and even given that, >in Screwtape's terminology, "under" might mean of GREATER rank, >I don't think he'd be one step away from Prince. He makes more >than one reference to "spirits far deeper down in the Lowerarchy >than us." I'd make him a Knight. > Let's see...one guy wants me to scale Screwtape *down*, while another correspondent wants him scaled *up*...I think I'll leave him as is, with one exception to be named at the end of this letter. If you need an excuse, say he's advanced in rank since the Letters. (And the offer to show his Prince workup still stands.) >His luckless nephew, the late Wormwood, was just a "junior tempter," >and so I think would have been an entry-level 9-force celestial. Sounds about right, aye. I was trying to do his work-up as well, just for completism's sake, and he sounded like a niner to me. >I suppose he was a Balseraph, too, but "tempter" would be a natural >occupation for an Impudite, wouldn't it? Aren't they subtitled >"The Tempters" in the book? > No, that's Lilim. Impudites are the Takers. Personally, I had, for some reason, a tentative picture of poor Wormwood as a Shedite, but the Balseraph notion fits well with the line in Letter XXIII about "No doubt you have often practised transforming yourself into an angel of light as a parade-ground exercise." (Any nominations on what his imitation Choir would be?) Speaking of which, I realized last night, before the digest in which I saw these had gone up-and-out, that I picked the wrong Choir for His Abysmal Sublimity to emulate. He'd be a fake *Cherub*, not a Merky. Please add this comment to your copies. (Especially Beth and Paul, in putting him on the INC pages.) Austin "Whenever that's possible" Loomis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:06:09 EST From: temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) >>I dunno - how many forces does something that can set fire to a >>planet count as? (actually, this is a semi-serious question - >>Kyriotate of Jean could take over a tank for one force, making >>it one of the worlds worst combat monsters) > >Oh, who needs a tank? Just use the Song of Form on your car >that gives you damage-resistance... Then run people down. >But adding Numinious Corpus: Wings and *landing* on demons >just isn't fair. Then again, since when have Kyrios not >serving the Sword *had* to fight fair? You know, I think that the fact that the tank has a belt fed machine gun and more armor than a car tips things in it favor. And the main gun is just sickening. >>>"It isn't fair! How am I supposed to tell what an Android Needs?" >> >>That Borg lady from First Contact - Lilim of Vapula, or what? > > Oooooooo, YEAH! *YEAH*! >>Which would explain why she was so suprised when Data turned >>against her - you could almost see the dissonance hitting her >>like a brick. > >This is what you *GET* when you try to Geas something that >probably has a very high Will and may or may not be >vunerable to the Song of Celestial Charm... She assumed that he was a starting character, and because he had high Corporeal and Ethereal, he had to have lower Celestial. She was wrong... (can you say dissonant Elohim of Jean, anyone?) >[Though you'd think that a normal Lilim would get the dissonance >the instant that the target resisted the Geas? Unless it was only >*right then* that she was invoking it, in the "blow up that ship" >command? Yeah, that sounds right. Brick of Dissonance, right in >the face.] He didn't resist the Geas, he resisted it's use. >>>[we gotta stop this one... this thread could get *silly*...] >> >>And of course, that's been avoided so far. > > Of course. > >Now, don't think of Klingons and Malakim debating honor. Wouldn't that be redundant? I could swear Klingons were proto-Malakim (or maybe the other way around...) ============================================================= | | | /\ | | Nathaniel Eliot | Chaos, Discord, and the | / \ | | temujin09@juno.com | Illuminated Way | / <> \ | | | | /______\ | ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: IN> [Who's Who In Heaven?] An Alternate-Universe Archangel For those of you interested in a symphony in a different key, here's one Archangel you probably won't see in IN NOMINE canon: Lucifer, Archangel of Light "The world is darkness; let it be lit with the Light of the Almighty." Lucifer has been called "the bright son of the morning" and "most beloved of God." The tales say that, when the universe was formed, the first thing God called for was light...and, as the light was, so was Lucifer. This is no Promethean sun-spirit, though; the light that the seraph embodies is the inner light within all Creation, which reveals itself in the Truth of God's word. (From here, of course, the story changes based on whether there was a Fall or not. If there was, someone else leads the Infernal troops. I'm voting for Michael or Gabriel, although a case could be made for Dominic, as well. If there was no Fall...the Garden still stands and the stage is set for IN NOMINE: PARADISIO. Up to you. :) In addition...imagine a servitor of Lucifer who, for some reason, didn't fall...or didn't know about it.) yours, Jason Schneiderman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: IN> [Who's Who In Heaven?] An Alternate-Universe Archangel For those of you interested in a symphony in a different key, here's one Archangel you probably won't see in IN NOMINE canon: Lucifer, Archangel of Light "The world is darkness; let it be lit with the Light of the Almighty." Lucifer has been called "the bright son of the morning" and "most beloved of God." The tales say that, when the universe was formed, the first thing God called for was light...and, as the light was, so was Lucifer. This is no Promethean sun-spirit, though; the light that the seraph embodies is the inner light within all Creation, which reveals itself in the Truth of God's word. (From here, of course, the story changes based on whether there was a Fall or not. If there was, someone else leads the Infernal troops. I'm voting for Michael or Gabriel, although a case could be made for Dominic, as well. If there was no Fall...the Garden still stands and the stage is set for IN NOMINE: PARADISIO. Up to you. :) In addition...imagine a servitor of Lucifer who, for some reason, didn't fall...or didn't know about it.) yours, Jason Schneiderman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:43:30 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 On May 21, 6:55am, Nathaniel P Eliot wrote: > Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 > >Anybody care to think about a really high-force Kyrio of Jean > >possessing the Death Star? > > According to the rules, one with 1 force left could do it. > Scary, huh? According to the FAQ, it can only be an object within reason. 'Within reason' is left to the GM to decide but it specifically mentions entire buildings and battleships as being too large. Since the Death Star counts as both... ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | "A fundamental principle of economics is that the | | more you tax something, the less you get of it. | | In this country we tax success most of all." | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:49:07 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [Who's Who In Heaven?] An Alternate-Universe Archangel Jason Schneiderman writes: "In addition...imagine a servitor of Lucifer who, for some reason, didn't fall...or didn't know about it." There is such a character in Milton's "Paradise Lost." His name is Abdiel, and when Lucifer makes his first rallying speech to his partizans, Abdiel speaks up from the audience, making all sorts of awkward objections. At the end of the scene, he walks out on Lucifer. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 97 20:35:56 EDT From: Moriah - Steve Jackson Games <73407.515@CompuServe.COM> Subject: IN> Calabite Resonance - ----Forwarded Message(s)---- From: "C Lee Davis" Cc: jack.of.spades@mindspring.com, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:04:48 -0400 Subject: IN> Calabite discord question I knew it. As soon as I had to uns ubscribe from the list to avoid the volume of mail, I'd have a question I needed an answer to. Is there a cannonical ruling on whether Calabites get extra Resources for their discord? Thanks for your help. Look forward to rejoining the list when the workload slacks off. _______________________________________________Not the opinions of: Lee Davis APAC Information Services Dept. cldavis@ashland.com (770) 392-5456 "Nobody ever listens to Zathras. It is good that Zathras does not mind. He has even grown to like it." Zathras, War without End, Babylon 5 - ----End Forwarded Message(s)---- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 97 01:48:50 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: re: IN> start of Angel of Art, wip. >thoughts for Angel of Art: >Word-bound servitor of Eli >works well with Jordi(?) and Blandine >puts up with most others, >doesn't like Dominic (too many Inquisition-type problems with art), >doesn't care much for Gabriel either. >possible attunements: Seraphim: Beauty is truth, and truth is beauty, therefore Seraphim can *see* the truth in a work of art. They will know the meaning of this work to the artist, what message (rather than emotion as per Elohim) they are trying to convey, and whether they were being truthful to their own nature in creating this (ie if the artist was putting his own self into the art, or whether it was done for the money, style of thing). Anyway, that's a REALLY rough way of putting what my idea is, I hope someone understands it enough to polish it up. - -Kurt "If you're creative, get stuffed" - TISM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 97 01:32:50 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial suicide On Tue, 20 May 1997 gibsonc@nku.edu wrote: >> why ask this question, if your players want to commit suicide then say >> its done and play on with the people who want to play >If players want to commit a suicide, try to help them with their problems. >If characters want to commit a suicide, ask player to explain why the >character does that, and if it seems like good role-playing, let the >player make another character. If not, ask the player stop wasting your >time. I can understand as an aspect of roleplay a character could do something completely shameful, and he/she may want to kill their PC, so why not have the AA reassign that PC to another duty, e.g. doing penance by helping guard a tether, or send them on a "fact finding" mission, and have the player create another PC. The last thing any of my friends would accept while playing is a character that is a burden to the group (in fact, some of them would probably save the PC time and kill him anyway). Although afficionados of Noun: the Gerund would probably jump at the chance to play an angst-ridden celestial. Hell, give him a level 3 need and play InNomine: the Eternal Moping :) It would be interesting to find out how many PCs there are out there with Malakim/other cellie that have come to the end of their tether (Ba-doom pssh) and want to end it all. I hope one day there will be a canon answer. - -Kurt "We are now armed with Mighty Joint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:15:38 +1000 From: Mark Grundy Subject: IN> Re: Automated email searches - ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: emailmedia@outgoing.com, did-it@outgoing.com Subject: Re: Automated email searches In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 21 May 1997 03:08:11 -0400 X-Face: #:Ok5yh4yXZ1#}rs!'y*}=k RxPwTeNW]?`YMHUpz8ozOV2FBI 'jT!T[tqb[Vw,+;SR6{om%smch|QNh9cGOjc{'=rClW.$f{pp$&8=Dr= X-url: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Mark.Grundy/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:15:38 +1000 From: Mark Grundy Dear Emailmedia and Did-it, Congratulations. You have both sent your unsolicited advertising to a special interest email list irrelevant to your product, and proven to me and to many readers why it is that net competence takes more than just fast search software and big databases. If there's such a thing as negative publicity, your companies and the products you are selling, have just earned it. Nothing justifies email-bombing undiscriminated email addresses sneaked from web page searches. If you are using products that do this, then you shouldn't pretend to sell avanced net software. Please: get smart in your business, or get out of the business and leave it to people who are. Also, kindly do our readership a favour, and get in_nomine-l@lists.io.com off your mailing list. Mark - - -- Dr Mark Grundy, DCS, Phone: +61-6-249 3785 Education Co-ordinator, Fax: +61-6-249 0010 CRC for Advanced Computational Systems, The Australian National University, Web: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Mark.Grun dy 0200 Australia Email: Mark.Grundy@anu.edu.au - ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:32:01 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Re: Automated email searches thanks, Mark, for saying what I was feeling with regard to this */=//**= advertisements. wish I knew the email address of a Calabim of Jean to sic on these guys {I know Calabim don't work for Jean, but I'm stretching it to make a point}. tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:43:34 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN>Celestial Suicde At 10:38 AM 5/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >>On the topic of a Malakim committing suicide to atone for his dishonor; > >The only honorable way for a Malakim to commit suicide is to strap the >celestial equivalent of a satchel charge to his back and go charging >into Hell... Thus probably earning himself a lot of glory in the eyes of any superior who cared. And what if he *did* defeat all te demons in hell? Unlikely, but you never know. He'd probably be getting lots of Essence. And what if he had the oath "Die an Honorable death"? Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:43:30 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> Angels for everything At 07:59 PM 5/18/97 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 18 May 1997 09:12:07 EST, temujin09@juno.com (Nathaniel P Eliot) >wrote: > >>> Munchkin Player: "I walk out onto the lawn and call forth the ten >>>thousand angels watching over the grass to assist me!" >> >>That assumes that each angel is a force 9 angel, which I doubt. In >>fact, if they all got together and organized (which would be hard >>to get them to do unless you could convince them you were on *their* >>side), they might have about 1 force between them. If that. > >So bunches of little angels would jump out and start singing, > > We represent the Blade of Grass League, > The Blade of Grass League, the Blade of Grass League. > We represent the Blade of Grass League, > And we'd like to welcome you to Munchkin Land! > > But this might annoy the demon rooubling you enough to make them go away. (If it doesn't make you want to commit suicide...) Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:05:59 -0700 From: Hollis McCray Subject: Re: IN> Did-it's Search Engine Secrets AHEM! At 01:58 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Webmaster: > >Are you frustrated by the lack of traffic coming to your site from >the popular search engines? > >Is your site listed but appearing way down on the hit list "out >of sight" despite perfect keyword matches? > Hollis McCray Madman at Large email: Mccrayh@yoda.cochise.cc.az.us "No matter where you go, there you are." - -Buckaroo Banzai ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:09:39 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine in Space (fluff) > > >Captain, the red-shirted Malakim are ready to beam down to the planet > >now. > > Make it so. > >AIIEEEE! FHeeew! Zap! AAARRRGGGHHH! > >They're all traumatized, Captain, but the enemy is dead. > > Of course, they are..were red-shirts. However there death's have > > bought us the time to execute my brilliant, day-saving stratagem. It's amazing how many jokes you _just_don't_get_ when you've never seen an episode of STAR TREK... - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia But the dog that I like to quell lonely nights Oh, the Dacshound is best of all For he is longer than he's thin, he loves to let me in His eyes swell with love, he fits like a glove And that's why he's man's best friend. THE DOUG ANTHONY ALLSTARS, "I F**k Dogs" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: Automated email searches In a message dated 97-05-22 01:59:53 EDT, you write: << thanks, Mark, for saying what I was feeling with regard to this */=//**= advertisements. wish I knew the email address of a Calabim of Jean to sic on these guys {I know Calabim don't work for Jean, but I'm stretching it to make a point}. tom >> It's funny you should mention that...Have you checked out the ofanite of Jean? That's the closest you can come and it should toast the spammer quite well. (Though you would have to get into his system first...) - -Calabim@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 97 06:05:09 UT From: "Kurt White" Subject: IN> New seed idea (BTW its NOT serious) >Also, kindly do our readership a favour, and get > > in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >off your mailing list. Three cheers for Mark!! Anyway, the seed I came up with sitting in front of the TV, rotting my brain with Reservoir Dogs: PULP SCRIPTURE (cue Dick Dale guitar music) NOTE: This has elements from Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, True Romance, and From Dusk Till Dawn all cobbled together. I recommend using some of the postings on how to beef up combat, as this should be a 'demons with guns' game. Don't take it seriously, cause the game will suck. Vic Vegas (Djinn) and Julius Marlboro (Habbalah), are demonic gangsters working for the Demon of Drugs, Marcus. They are supposed to be escorting a black suitcase carrying Marcus' lost heart to the Drug lord, when it is stolen from its pickup site by Chris Silverfish, a Soldier of Elvis. Marcus has hooked up with a Free Lilim, and is tearing across the US. Unfortunately, Vic is attuned to Chris, and they are slowly but surely tracking him down. Meanwhile, Harvey "the Wolf" White, a Baron of Asmodeus, has been called in to take out the two gangsters , who are causing too much disturbance in their chase. WALK ON CHARACTERS Shem Lizard: Bank robber and kidnapper, he is being chased north from Mexico by a band of enraged vampires, he could be persuaded to help the PCs, or he may not. The choice is his (GMs). Don R. Kebab: Mafia boss, and interested in the Heart of Marcus. No one knows why, but he probably works for a rival Demon. Those two morons who try to hold up the cafe in Pulp Fiction (Tim Roth and the ugly chick): throw them in so that the PCs can waste them. Malakim or servants of Dominic also would be cool as hindrances to the PCs. Probably best to use established PCs/NPCs and bring them in when the chase comes barrelling through their home turf... causing lots of nice disturbances through collateral damage, armed holdups, or whatever mayhem the PCs want to cause. THE PCs The PCs should be created a Servitors of Haagenti, I have only listed two as that is the size I was thinking of running this at, but possibly Shem Lizard could be used as a PC too. I have not included and stats for the Demon of Drugs, but he has given one rite to his gangsters: Regain one Essence any time they can shoot up pure heroin, nothing cut. This should be hard enough to come by from most of the scum dealers which should abound in this scenario. If you need more PCs, add more gangster type characters, or related scum. OBJECTIVE Waste things, fill stuff full of holes, roleplay bad drug trips, waste more things... Actually, I wanted to add a really groovy subplot about what happens if a celestial's Heart is stolen, and the power over a cellie this can grant to the owner. But this depends on whether the PCs want to rebel and try and put one over their master. Chances are with the people I game with, they'll be more interested in a "see who can create the biggest disturbance, using only a dwarf, a plank of wood, and a suspension spring". They're REALLY weird. But I wouldn't mind adapting the concept for a more serious game about servitors chasing up a demon's heart, or even angels trying to stop the demons recovering it... the PCs really should just burn around the countryside, chasing down the Soldier and the Lilim, eventually catch up to them, recover the heart however they see fit, and "return to HQ". any ideas, new NPCs, any subplots?? Please send them to me - -Kurt doombu@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:40:19 +0100 From: Niall Teasdale Subject: IN> "In Nomine: The Fall" anyone? Just a thought... How about a Mage/In Nomine mix. Humans are capable of Magick (I hate that spelling!), though few can actually do it. Angels (and demons) can do coincidental magick, but can only perform vulgar magick in the form of rotes, i.e. Songs. This achieves a couple of things: 1. Angels and demons now have a positive reason for fighting over humans, namely that humans are potentially very powerful. 2. It means celestials can do minor bits of 'magic' in the form of coincidental magick. Of course it's not perfect, and I've suggested no actual rule mechanisms. I think Paradox would have to take the form of Dissonance (I think the Paradox mechanics in Mage suck anyway). The idea would be to make the Symphony just another paradigm, all magicians think their paradigm is the real one anyway. What do you think? Niall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:04:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> Re: Dominic Questions >Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:04:01 -0500 (CDT) >From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) >Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #177 > [Sliced to ribbons] >Of course, you can >always just accuse the Demon of the crime of Falling.... I disagree...As I see it, Falling isn't a crime. It's a punishment. It's a punishment for acting against your Angelic nature or your Archangel too often. Attempting Heavenly Judgement on an Angel-turned-Demon for Falling is like attempting to use it on someone for serving a life sentence. However, there's very little preventing you from using Heavily Judgement for the acts that led the Angel to Fall, if you happen to know what they were. Of course,in Dominic's eyes (and probably those of most angels), Falling is an insufficient punishment for all those things the Fallen one did to put himself in that state. So looking at Falling another way, It's still not a crime, but instead evidence that crimes have been committed. Not to mention that all of the Choirs can Fall wihout resorting to anything as bad as Murder. On the other hand, while Falling is something that just happens to most Angels when they accumulate dissonance, If it were ever to happen to a Malakim, it would be a deliberate choice. Then, it could be considered a crime...though it's still not likely to be worse than Murder, and all theother Malakim trying to take the fallen one out while keeping his Fall secret doesn't make it likely you'll run into one anyway. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Vladimir, Elohite Friend of Stone, the Angel of Communism. ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:44:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: IN> IN?> McChurch For those of you who haven't heard of McChurch , it can best be summarized as "the flip side of EvilPeople (tm), Inc." (And for those of you who missed the recent stuff relating to EPI, I've been there, too, and it's either a wholly owned subsidiary of Hell or pretending so hard it doesn't matter. Any opinions on which Prince is behind it?) Take that "flip side" in whichever sense you choose. Either this is what Eli's been up to since he quit his day job, or it's that Ultimate Joke that Kobal's been formulating. Or else some other Superior is in back of it all. I recommend you head over to the First Internet Drive- Thru Tabernacle and figure out for yourself which it is, but diabolicals be warned -- if you click on certain links, you will be immediately and irrevocably redeemed. Austin George "Ready to risk it?" Loomis ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #179 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.