From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Sep 4 11:42:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18486 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:42:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA17091 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:29:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:29:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199709041629.LAA17091@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #324 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 4 1997 Volume 01 : Number 324 In this digest: Re: IN> Communicating with Superiors Re: Gaming War Stories (Re: IN> Lilim Geases) Re: IN>Kyriotates in Humans, Vessel=? Re: IN> Lilim Geases Re: IN> Resisting Angelic Resonance IN> Celestial Plane Questions Re: IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> New Drugs Re: IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> Celestial Plane Questions Chocolate Fluff (Re: IN> New Drugs) IN> Lilith's Potence IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> Lilith's Potence Re: Chocolate Fluff (Re: IN> New Drugs) Re: IN> A Marches thought... IN> Looking for PBEMs Re: IN> Celestial Plane Questions Re: IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> Diana, Princess of Wales IN> Babylon 5 RPG view of In Nomine Re: IN> A Marches thought... Re: IN> Kyriosity Killed the Kat Re: IN> Lilim Trackers Re: IN> Firing shots to signal for a couple canon Re: IN> Resisting Angelic Resonance Re: IN> ghosts Re: IN> Lilim Geases Re: IN> Night Music rules change ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:45:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Communicating with Superiors At 12:00 PM -0400 9/2/97, Emily K. Dresner wrote: [...] >Furthermore, the "Dominic drops in on his servants to check up on them >once a week" seems really extreme. Here's this busy guy, working on his >own agenda, who might even be terribly evil for all anyone knows, and he's >taking out time - maybe lots of time - to go visit his servants? Why >don't I think so, and it should be the other way around? Dominic is studying to be a Kyrio... (*ahem* Yes, well... It seems to be the case that Superiors have many of the abilities of the Choirs, no matter what their own Choir is. (Though they're probably most expert in their native Choir resonances.) Blandine may be a Cherub, but you'd no more lie to her than to the average Seraph on the street, for instance.) >What I THINK I'm going to do is try to instigate sort of celestial email. >For a point of essense, the Celestial in question can write something on a >note, and do a little Rite. For example, a servant of Yves can leave the >note in a book in the library, a servant of Gabriel can toss the note into >the fire, a servant of Andrealphus can stick a note in a copy of Penthouse >(although the note may never get read...) The Superior in question can >take his own sweet time getting around to reading and acknowledging it, >but at least the PC isn't in a vacuum. > >It seems fair enough, and it keeps the PCs from constantly being pests to >those above with a minimum fuss. Does it seem too game unbalancing? I could see this. I might be inclined to say that it's an additional bennie that a Superior gives to Servitors who have proven that they're not going to deluge the celestial secretaries with weekly "not much here" (unless you're Jean, in which case the Servitors get their c-mail account and are expected to give a four page report on "not much here" every week, and read the incoming detailed instructions on what to do about it). I might charge a point for it at character generation, or just hand it out afterwards, as a Superior decides that the Servitor is working on things that do, indeed, need occasional status reports when there's not a Tether nearby to send the message to (via snailmail, maybe...) For instance, a traveling agent would need something like this, while Buffiel the Cherub, who's just keeping track of a kid in a town where there's very little demonic activity, might send birthday updates -- when she needs to make a *real* report, it will be the kind that involves calling the boss direct. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:09:39 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Gaming War Stories (Re: IN> Lilim Geases) Potential Feast of Blades spoilers, and a number of Stupid Kyrio of Jean Tricks. At 10:03 AM -0400 8/28/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >At 08:31 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >>At 2:51 PM -0400 8/27/97, Jeff Miller wrote: >>>>[Said Renegade has already been thrown into Geas-conflict, too! >>>>(Feast of Blades (not yet finished): Amanda got a blackmail >>>>Geas/6 on her... Jean's instructions: Destroy the dagger. >>>>Amanda's: Bring it to me... Owie. Bezekial *might* have been >>>>able to say something like, "I'm sure it's okay if you give it >>>>to her and then take it away again real fast," though.)] ]] >>>> >>>The geas doesn't say anything about not bringing it into Amanda's back >>>does it? >> >>She was considering that interpretation, oh definitely! Unfortunately, >>her angel-companions didn't like the notion. She managed to hold >>off (they wouldn't tell her they'd gotten the dagger) until it was >>displayed at the Tether. Then she made a grab for it. ("I'm sorry. >>I *have* to.") The dagger got yanked upstairs, and the Renegade, >>sprawled on the floor (let the Ofanite do the Dodging...) was >>going "YES!" in satisfaction. >> >>She was really annoyed by that blackmail Geas, she was. >> >At least it worked out in the end. > >Has your group decided to pay this demon a visit? Seems a good way of >resolving *that* thread as well. Well, that was how it got resolved, really -- the PCs (Seraph of Yves, Ofanite of Jean, Kyrio of Jean who'd been tracking Amanda and the sorcerer in her spare cop car [the Kyrio had run the first one off a dock shortly before; possessed her clothing to make her trip; made her gun not fire at us when we tried to snatch the sorcerer; made her gun fire the whole clip when she put it back in the holster; and right after she used her walkie-talkie to yell "Cop Down" , took it over the radio and gave the description of our van as the descrip of Huzzie&theBratPack's car...] and Lilim in service to Jean) tracked down Amanda and, with the help of the Servitor of Litheroy, inspired Amanda to give up the Geas and self-Geas herself to never reveal the data that she did have. Have we mentioned that Kyrios of Lightning are seriously obnoxious? Ours helped the Ofanite get the seat-number for the sorcerer, jumped to a rescue worker through the TV to snag his suitcase (thus giving us a clue which hotel he was at), and the pigeon patrol spotted the sorcerer returning to the hotel. From there, he possessed the curtains, the sorcerer's pants, the bartender (to give the sorcerer a mickey-finn, allowing the Ofanite to swipe the dagger...), and from there, Amanda's equipment... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:32:50 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN>Kyriotates in Humans, Vessel=? At 11:21 PM 9/2/97 EDT, you wrote: >>Elohim are why Kobal made cream pies.... > >Uh-uh -- it doesn't bother them. *Seraphim* are why Kobal invented >cream pies.... > It doesn't need to bother them. You just need to get everyone else to laugh at them. Elohim make *great* straight-men. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:21:29 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Geases At 11:49 AM 9/3/97 GMT+10, you wrote: >Yet another Geas question. > >If a Lilim (or anyone, for that matter) kills a holder of their Geas, >does that geas cease to exist? Therefore Lilim A finds out Human X >has a geas on them. They track that human down and kill them before >they can call in the geas. Does the geas vanish. Logically I'd have >to say yes, but I'd like a few other opinions. > I get this mental picture of Lilim with their Calabim "pets" trained to take out anyone who says something like "I have this geas...", "You are to...", etc. I'm also getting a picture of the look on Kronos' face when he comes down incognito to give his Lilim Servator an assignment and then suddenly has a rabid Calabim gnawing on his arm.... Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:55:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Resisting Angelic Resonance At 2:00 AM +0000 9/2/97, Denis Sarrazin wrote: >In the book, they say "On the other hand, the passive nature of >agnelic resonance makes it difficult to detect." They don't say >impossible, but difficult. Is there any rules that describe this >"difficulty" that I missed? I don't think so. I suspect that it takes special Songs, Artifacts, or Attunements. A Superior can certainly tell. A Word-bound might be able to, especially with Cherubim. (In fact, I think that there are a few attunements that let someone tell if a Cherub is attuned to a person/item. Djinn of Fate, was it?) >The reason I'm asking is because I have one angel trying to use his >resonance on another angel and I'd like to know if the other angel can >try or not to resists this. I know that Demonic resonance (except for >Lilim, I believe) can be resisted as a Will contest, but that this is >not supposed to apply to angelic resonance. I'd say that it would depend on the resonance. A Cherub, I might see it. Any of the others? Nah. Angels aren't supposed to be resisting each other anyway. It's a sign of impending dissonance to *want* to, probably. (Consider, in Heaven, resonances are probably active all the time. The PCs grew up with Elohim and Seraphim buddies, so they're not *used* to privacy...) Don't let the Servitors of Judgment spot that you're trying... And while you can't keep a Lilim from spotting your need (unless you wear sunglasses), you do still get a Will roll to resist her invoking a Geas on you -- which you can spend Essence on. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: IN> Celestial Plane Questions I hope this hasn't been beaten to death before I joined the list but I've been having some trouble with these two things. First, What does Celestial combat "look" like. I mean how do you describe it with out resorting to game mechanics. A Ofanim using A numious Corpus, say horns in the celestial form looks like.....a big wheel of fire with horns for example? Second, Discords are "bruttally apparent" in celestial form. How so? Is it a modification or new feature added to your celestial form, a "change" that only Celestial perceptions would notice and can't be described with the normal human senses or a little sign floating above you saying "Angry/3" or whatever. :) "You're a product of the Public School system, Bart. So I'll assume your familar with small arms." Bart's Drill Instructor "The Simpsons" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Potence At 11:22 PM 9/2/97 -0600, you wrote: > In GENERAL, I don't like the idea of Discord being inflicted. >Among other things, I'm not seeing many circumstances in which your OWN >Superior wouldn't just take it right off, since we DO know they can do >that...so it doesn't seem like enough threat to be worth it. On the other >hand, there's the point that ANYONE can inflict Ethereal Discord by >beating someone in Ethereal combat, so...I suppose in the end I'd go with >the idea taken up by your examples; Superiors can inflict Discords that >fit themselves, but not just inflict any Discord on anyone whenever they >feel like it. (eg. Baal really -CAN'T- make someone Merciful, as handy as >it might be to slap it on some Malakim of the Sword. While Kobal can >probably only do things just like that...) > > This is rather off topic, but does it seems like there might be certain Discords that it would harder to convince your Superior to get rid of? More of the Demonic side than Angelic. Like getting Baal to remove Angry or Andre Lustful... "You're a product of the Public School system, Bart. So I'll assume your familar with small arms." Bart's Drill Instructor "The Simpsons" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 23:53:24 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> New Drugs On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:59:13 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >And then, as a result of this thread, we've introduced "Heavenly >Chocolate"... Don't feed it to humans, it's potent stuff! A single >chip of it inspires all sorts of cuddly thoughts, and may be addictive >to non-angels. And then there's what the *white* chocolate does >to people... "Traditionally shared with lovers," >I believe was the quote. *White* chocolate? Clearly Vapulan... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:06:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Potence At 12:40 AM -0400 9/3/97, Casca wrote: >On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> So I'd *like* it to work out that, if Lilith thought that somebody >> owed her ("Dammit, you just toasted the informal Seneschal for my >> Tether! Okay, till I can find a replacement, *YOU'RE* going to >> guard it for me, angel!"), she *could* slap a Geas on someone. >> (By her nature, she probably would not do it except when she >> believed she was owed, in some fashion, that's true 'nuff.) > >Oh, that one's easy. Have Lilith appear just after the Seneschal gets >toasted. Mad as Hell, she rears back to slap the angel into its component >forces -- and stops herself an inch from the angel's face. The angel, >expecting to be zapped, breathes a silent "thank you", only to have >Lilith reply with, "You're welcome. Now you owe me one. Payback will >consist of guarding this tether until I find another Seneschal." I like it, I like it... I'll have to remember that one... It's fulfilling a Need. (Frozen in place by the Superior's Power, make a Will roll to avoid wanting to survive. Add +1 if you're an Elohite. If you're a Malakite, you'll just have to kill yourself afterwards.) >Most PCs, with the exception of the "final dissolution before dishonor" >types, will acknowledge the debt. ;) At 11:22 PM -0600 9/2/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: >Elizabeth noted; >> other... I'd like for PCs to be *terrified* of enemy Superiors, [...] >> really ticked) turn them into little smears of Discord. > ...and then goes on with some fun examples. > >> [...] It just takes some >> set of time/energy/disturbance such that they generally aren't >> feeling vicious enough to bother with more than tearing someone >> Force from Force. >[...]I suppose in the end I'd go with >the idea taken up by your examples; Superiors can inflict Discords that >fit themselves, but not just inflict any Discord on anyone whenever they >feel like it. (eg. Baal really -CAN'T- make someone Merciful, as handy as >it might be to slap it on some Malakim of the Sword. While Kobal can >probably only do things just like that...) Mmmmmm.... Yeah, I like that notion. I like that one a lot too... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:32:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Plane Questions At 7:28 PM -0400 9/3/97, Kim Foster wrote: >I hope this hasn't been beaten to death before I joined the list but I've >been having some trouble with these two things. > >First, What does Celestial combat "look" like. I mean how do you describe it >with out resorting to game mechanics. A Ofanim using A numious Corpus, say >horns in the celestial form looks like.....a big wheel of fire with horns >for example? Sure! Flaming ones, whirling crazily... >Second, Discords are "bruttally apparent" in celestial form. How so? Is it a >modification or new feature added to your celestial form, a "change" that >only Celestial perceptions would notice and can't be described with the >normal human senses or a little sign floating above you saying "Angry/3" or >whatever. :) It probably depends on the concept around... For instance, someone with Murderous or Angry who's a demon might have sharpened horns, or an "aura" that other celestials will sense. An Ofanite will crackle more fiercely, a Mercurian will become harsher of visage, a Malakite will be *really* terrifying... Etc. Figure that it's just *obvious*, even if the on-looker couldn't explain it in any human words. The Forces are arranged in a certain distorted manner. Sort of like looking at someone with a new haircut and saying, "There's something different here, but I can't place what..." Or that's what I'd do... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:37:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Chocolate Fluff (Re: IN> New Drugs) At 11:53 PM +0000 9/3/97, Walt Mazur wrote: >On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:59:13 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy >wrote: > >>And then, as a result of this thread, we've introduced "Heavenly >>Chocolate"... Don't feed it to humans, it's potent stuff! A single >>chip of it inspires all sorts of cuddly thoughts, and may be addictive >>to non-angels. And then there's what the *white* chocolate does >>to people... "Traditionally shared with lovers," >>I believe was the quote. > >*White* chocolate? Clearly Vapulan... Hey, *I* like the stuff! Why Vapulan? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:51:57 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Lilith's Potence >>>I'm not saying they would consciously feel gratitude; I'm saying that, just as their imminent demise is halted, for one brief moment they would be thankful that they weren't killed. Lilith would then exploit that thankfulness into a Geas. Yes, it's trickery, but that's what demons do.<<< Geases are imposed for fulfilling a Need. She had to sense the angel's Need "to survive" in order to pull that off. If Lilith really wants to get a Geas on someone, I'm sure she can. I just don't think she should be able to do it simply by appearing, and then collecting Geases from everyone she kindly refrains from wasting. - -David http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidEdelstein/innomine.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:51:56 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Lilith's Potence >>>Which is really no different than saying that if Lilith (or any Demon Prince) could destroy random angels, the War would be over. Why isn't it? Presumably because Superiors have better things to do with their time and Essence than take out lowly celestials one at a time....<<< Being able to brainwash/recondition celestials is a much more potent effect than simply destroying them. Look at it this way-- if you're at war, and you have a big gun, you can kill anyone who gets in range. Any Superior could jump into the midst of some enemy celestials and lay waste. But that's not going to alter the War significantly; there are a LOT of enemy soldiers. And they can shoot back. But suppose you have the ability to capture a few choice soldiers, brainwash them so they're now serving you (or so they'll go back their own side and then freak out and cause massive damage and demoralization), and then let them go. Any side that was able to do that in a war would quickly be able to inflict more damage with just a few such brainwashed pawns than they could by killing thousands. - -David http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidEdelstein/innomine.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 21:58 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Potence >But suppose you have the ability to capture a few choice soldiers, >brainwash them so they're now serving you (or so they'll go back their own >side and then freak out and cause massive damage and demoralization), and >then let them go. Any side that was able to do that in a war would quickly >be able to inflict more damage with just a few such brainwashed pawns than >they could by killing thousands. If it were true brainwashing in the sense of having a mole, yes. But inflicting Discords isn't really all *that* effective, in my opinion. Yes, you can make the celestial's life get screwed up, but I *really* don't buy the "better than killing thousands" aspect. Maybe a couple times more effective, yes. But a *thousand*?? And if it takes more time and effort than just killing people, is it worth it? Especially if the effect is unpredictable and can be cured by the victims Superior at least as easily as you added it? I don't buy this as a "killer trick", though I agree it needs to be hard enough that Superiors can't just point their fingers and people and say, "Bang! You've got Discord X/6".... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:19:13 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Potence On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:51:57 -0400, David Edelstein wrote: >If Lilith really wants to get a Geas on someone, I'm sure she can. I just >don't think she should be able to do it simply by appearing, and then >collecting Geases from everyone she kindly refrains from wasting. I'm on the side of most Superiors being *very* powerful. But, I think they have implicit limits. They act through servitors because acting directly would too greatly disturb the Symphony they're all trying to get to play in their favor: if it collapses into cacaphony they've all lost. So, while Lilith *could* drop as many Geases or any other discords as she wanted on anyone, she doesn't because it would be counter productive. In my view (obviously non-canonical), the idea of multiple Superiors dropping in on Furfur's concert is Right Out. The only way Eli manages to spend so much time on Earth is that he's very careful what he does. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:19:15 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: Chocolate Fluff (Re: IN> New Drugs) On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:37:51 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>*White* chocolate? Clearly Vapulan... > >Hey, *I* like the stuff! HERETIC!! >Why Vapulan? It's usually a perverse technological replacement for *real* chocolate. I quote from the rec.food.chocolate FAQ: >White chocolate is somewhat of a misnomer. In the United States, in order >to be legally called 'chocolate' a product must contain cocoa solids. White >chocolate does not contain these solids, which leaves it a smooth ivory or >beige color. Real white chocolate is primarily cocoa butter, sugar, milk >and vanilla. There are some products on the market that call themselves >white chocolate, but are made with vegetable oils instead of cocoa butter. >Check the label to avoid these cheap imitations. White chocolate is the >most fragile form of chocolate; pay close attention to it while heating or >melting it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:50:51 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> A Marches thought... > >Has it occurred to anyone else that maybe giving a Cherub the Word of > >Fear wasn't the brightest possible idea, given that Fear is the Discord > >that counts as dissonance for Cherubim? I doubt she had the Discord - she embodied the word, not suffered from it. > That was a long time ago, though... They probably didn't know > any better then. Nobody knew angels *could* Fall. Besides, it > was the Fear that, when faced, makes one stronger. Or maybe it was instinctual Fear that saved you from danger. > Now it's the Fear that cripples. :~( Right - it probably covers a lot more anxiety, too. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com 21. Contrary to historical belief, drugs and invocations do not mix. When the shit comes down, it is vitally necessary to be able to discern between the gibbering monstrosity to throw the holy water on and the gibbering monstrosity that will fade away after a few hours, some B-complex, and a good hot bath. - How to Be a Cultist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:49:35 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: IN> Looking for PBEMs Hey, I've got time to burn! Anyone looking for players for an IN PBEM? Paul Strack nabbed me before and I'm looking for more, so drop me a line, give me your name, I'll get back in time, and then we can game! LLOYDPE@EARLHAM.EDU - -Perry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For the RUSH fans out there: "Whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death." - -Exodus 21:12 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:03:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Plane Questions On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Kim Foster wrote: > First, What does Celestial combat "look" like. I mean how do you describe it > with out resorting to game mechanics. A Ofanim using A numious Corpus, say > horns in the celestial form looks like.....a big wheel of fire with horns > for example? I thought that since the Numinous Corpus songs were Corporeal, they couldn't be used in Celestial combat. I culd be wrong, tho... - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Potence On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, David Edelstein wrote: > Geases are imposed for fulfilling a Need. She had to sense the angel's Need > "to survive" in order to pull that off. I don't see why this shouldn't work. I mean, why can't angels have survival instincts too? They know what pain is, what death is, and that they're going to experience a large dose of -each- in short order when Lilith clobbers them. While I can see a case being made for servitors of Judgement, War, Stone, and the Sword, I cannot accept that -every single- angel will, in that split second, calmly think "I'm going to have my Forces rent asunder by Lilith" and be perfectly okay with that. In fact, I can see a great many of them thinking, "Oh God, I don't want to die!" and THAT is what Lilith would capitalize on. Besides, Archangel Beth agrees with me, so there. ;P > If Lilith really wants to get a Geas on someone, I'm sure she can. I just > don't think she should be able to do it simply by appearing, and then > collecting Geases from everyone she kindly refrains from wasting. Well, she's got to have a reason to appear in a bloodthirsty mood. Her word is Freedom, not Extortion. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:42:24 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Diana, Princess of Wales > ...And somewhere deep below, the Demon Prince of the Paparazzi must >be grinning. > > :,,( Him and the Baron of Alchol Abuse (grim nod) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 06:56:01 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: IN> Babylon 5 RPG view of In Nomine In Nomine? Isn't that the game where you get to play Vorlons? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:40:20 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> A Marches thought... >>Has it occurred to anyone else that maybe giving a Cherub the Word of >>Fear wasn't the brightest possible idea, given that Fear is the Discord >>that counts as dissonance for Cherubim? > >That was a long time ago, though... They probably didn't know >any better then. Nobody knew angels *could* Fall. Besides, it >was the Fear that, when faced, makes one stronger. I always thought of it as the Fear that made you cautious, so you didn't get hurt -- something I could easily see a Cherub supporting. (Image of a Cherub in the basement with one of their charges: "Now, I've put over a thousand invisible cobras in the kitchen, so don't be leading the basement...) -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:31:53 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriosity Killed the Kat > That's a good thing to keep in mind, if a Kyrio's host remains > significant in a game...given the strength of recent studies on false > memories - showing that given an offhand statement or question about > something that never happened, people can work themselves around to > `remembering' it quite clearly within a couple weeks - I'd think that the > combination of being told what happened under a Kyrio combined with the > physical evidence of it having happened would lead to them remembering > having actually done it pretty quickly... > (eg.; you're not going to convince someone to a false memory of having > saved their kids from a burning house last week, because it's too big and > too recent. Tell someone they did it and present them the evidence of > their slightly singed kids, the charred bathrobe they were wearing, and > their burned down house, on the other hand, and they'll figure the trauma > must have blocked it, and then gradually build up the `memory' of what it > must have been like..) This happens ALL the time in police work. Honest, competent, and perceptive witnesses will get things wildly wrong because our minds are designed to 'fill in the blanks'. That's why DAs prefer physical evidence over most eyewitness accounts. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:35:00 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Trackers On Aug 30, 10:18am, Kingsley Lintz wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Trackers > > At 12:22 AM -0600 8/27/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: > > > I don't think Geas hooks can reasonably be used to track someone > > >down...that's too much overlap with the Cherub/Djinn Resonance. > and Our Favorite Archangel replied; > > Tough. Karakash canoned it a while back -- Lilim can use Geases > > (and hooks) to track someone down. Once there, the Geas *MUST* > Well, Karakash has been wrong before... Lies, foul lies! It wasn't me! I wasn't even there! You can't prove nothin'! > I dunno..I'm REALLY not liking this. (Enough to feel compelled to > respond, anyway, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't geased into it...) Granting > that they don't get the `extra' information, you do realize this makes > Lilim better trackers than Djinn and Cherubs? And the extras you miss out > on really only amount to "general condition" (on a 4) or if it's in danger > (on a 6)...the first of which might be handy, granted, but IS kind of a > side-point, and the second the Lilim probably doesn't care about anyway... Two things, though. They can only do it once per Geas because they are _required_ to use up the Geas once they activate it in this way. Those darn Cherubs and Djinn can follow you around for a long, long time. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:39:34 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Firing shots to signal for a couple canon > The "Sing adds to Songs" thing is a known error and I thought was in the > FAQ, which I dont have on me if you can't tell. I have a few Songs that are aided by Singing skill. They will probably show up in one of the upcoming supplements... O=) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:29:27 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Resisting Angelic Resonance On Sep 2, 2:00am, Denis Sarrazin wrote: > Subject: IN> Resisting Angelic Resonance > Hi, > > In the book, they say "On the other hand, the passive nature of > agnelic resonance makes it difficult to detect." They don't say > impossible, but difficult. Is there any rules that describe this > "difficulty" that I missed? 'difficult to detect' is not the same as 'difficult to resist'. The reason most angelic resonances are difficult to detect is because they aren't _doing_ anything... they are just _looking_. > The reason I'm asking is because I have one angel trying to use his > resonance on another angel and I'd like to know if the other angel can > try or not to resists this. I know that Demonic resonance (except for > Lilim, I believe) can be resisted as a Will contest, but that this is > not supposed to apply to angelic resonance. Rather than use 'angelic' and 'demonic' resonances as terms, I like 'will based' and 'perception based'. Will-based resonances can be resisted (most of the time) and this includes the Kyriotates. Perception-based ones usually can't be (like the Lilim's). - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:40:08 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> ghosts > > > I just thought of something. How are ghosts treated in In Nomine? > > > > Those human souls who still have some business to accomplish on the > > Corporeal Plane got stuck in The Marches - they become Ethereal Spirits. > > Those who have fulfilled her objectives, go to higher planes of the > > Celestial Plane. > > > Or to Hell, presumably. And the million dollar question is...can Bad > ghosts be Saved? That is, can a ghost headed for one destination use its > unlife to change direction? If so, it doesn't seem fair on the other dead > who got one chance only. If not, it should make it hard for Angels to get > rid of ghosts - they would be sending most of them straight to Hell. Dead humans that don't get a new body or go onto their 'final' reward become Corporeal Spirits. 'Ghosts', at least for now, is a indistinct term created by humans to describe a number of apparitions. It could be a celestial, ethereal or corporeal spirit. Or it could just be their imagination or swamp gas! ;) There is an essential difference between corporeal, ethereal and celestial beings and one type cannot be converted to another. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:56:04 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Geases On Sep 3, 11:49am, Leathal Weapon wrote: > Subject: IN> Lilim Geases > Yet another Geas question. > > If a Lilim (or anyone, for that matter) kills a holder of their Geas, > does that geas cease to exist? Therefore Lilim A finds out Human X > has a geas on them. They track that human down and kill them before > they can call in the geas. Does the geas vanish. Logically I'd have > to say yes, but I'd like a few other opinions. Sounds like yes to me! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:03:05 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Night Music rules change > My questions are: > 1) What is the definition of a Mortal? Human? Mundane? Does it include > Soldiers, Undead, and Remnants? Soldiers and other humans are mortals. Undead are _not_, and neither are Remnants. Both Undead and Remnants buy levels in their vessels and thus cannot use Toughness. > 2) How many leves of Toughness can the other Mortals buy? Two is the max. > 3) How many Body Hits does it take to kill a non-Human Mortal? (i.e. > negative BH's)? Strength? There are no non-human mortals (in this context). > 4) How much Toughness would an animal be able to buy? Hmmmmm... I'd limit it to two there, as well. Most 'tough' animals have high Strengths and therefore don't need the toughness game mechanic (except that one rhino might be a bit tougher than another). - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #324 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.